Vodafone admits that some governments have a direct link to their network for snooping
Listers In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper. See below:- http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces... I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
Ali, This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have? 2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game. 3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future. So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil? 4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value. And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result? Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade. Regards On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
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I think we are ignoring international politics with this here situation. The decision was not taken lightly and is more of a signal than a seasoned plan of action. It all reeks of the silly war on terror and plays well into the narrative that the west is flogging. The assurance that the security situation is still firmly with the Brits and by extension the west as opposed to the Chinese needed to be made. Let us not lie to ourselves that blackflag operations do not happen. Instigating an incident to provoke policy direction is not beyond some capitals. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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Ngigi I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth. My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town. Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG says he was never consulted in drafting this deal ( http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag ). Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing? "...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at bay...." Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this scheme? On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Ngigi
I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth.
My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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:) Ngigi, my thoughts exactly. However, I think some of these things need to go into the preserve of NIS as part of their budget. Imagine if the US Govt (read CIA et al) announced that they are building a super secret network to curb terrorism...Where is the secrecy then? Just saying.. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town.
Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG says he was never consulted in drafting this deal ( http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag ).
Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing?
"...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at bay...."
Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this scheme?
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Ngigi
I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth.
My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward.
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
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The CIA is primarily into "offshore" snooping/espionage and unlikely to make public announcements . It is the FBI who are more likely to openly query civilians or announce their activities (onshore) in the USA http://mashable.com/2013/09/11/fbi-microsoft-bitlocker-backdoor/ Safaricom is better than Anglo Leasing traitors building up "hospitality" abroad without building up Kenyan initiative + intelligence. Safaricom will not deliver the local initiative we need (as bureaucrats look down on SMEs) but is better than nothing to begin with.. It was not a Phd but a smart college dropout on a CIA project which caused Oracle (the Database Company) to come into being. http://www.evancarmichael.com/Famous-Entrepreneurs/649/The-Billionaire-Dropo... The rest, as they say is history :) Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
:)
Ngigi, my thoughts exactly. However, I think some of these things need to go into the preserve of NIS as part of their budget. Imagine if the US Govt (read CIA et al) announced that they are building a super secret network to curb terrorism...Where is the secrecy then?
Just saying..
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town.
Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG says he was never consulted in drafting this deal ( http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag ).
Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing?
"...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at bay...."
Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this scheme?
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Ngigi
I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth.
My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
*Ali Hussein*
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Muraya, Ksh 15B is actually enough to start an industry. Say Ksh 1B out of it was allocated to build the best Apps for collecting & analyzing intelligence, that would be the start in making .KE another Israel... The problem with all these deals is I guess when we put the same people to lead expecting different results... On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:25 PM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The CIA is primarily into "offshore" snooping/espionage and unlikely to make public announcements .
It is the FBI who are more likely to openly query civilians or announce their activities (onshore) in the USA
http://mashable.com/2013/09/11/fbi-microsoft-bitlocker-backdoor/
Safaricom is better than Anglo Leasing traitors building up "hospitality" abroad without building up Kenyan initiative + intelligence.
Safaricom will not deliver the local initiative we need (as bureaucrats look down on SMEs) but is better than nothing to begin with..
It was not a Phd but a smart college dropout on a CIA project which caused Oracle (the Database Company) to come into being.
http://www.evancarmichael.com/Famous-Entrepreneurs/649/The-Billionaire-Dropo...
The rest, as they say is history :)
Regards
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*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
:)
Ngigi, my thoughts exactly. However, I think some of these things need to go into the preserve of NIS as part of their budget. Imagine if the US Govt (read CIA et al) announced that they are building a super secret network to curb terrorism...Where is the secrecy then?
Just saying..
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On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town.
Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG says he was never consulted in drafting this deal ( http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag ).
Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing?
"...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at bay...."
Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this scheme?
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Ngigi
I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth.
My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward.
*Ali Hussein*
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On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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For the record, from my daily experience with a "smaller" local 3G network, Safaricom has a horrible network. In fact as an SME Lead I understand very well why smaller firms work more effectively than bureaucracies. It just so happens, bureaucrats are about job security not about creating new value chains in our society. For now, "RIP" to Kenyan Initiative + Intelligence )=: Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Muraya,
Ksh 15B is actually enough to start an industry. Say Ksh 1B out of it was allocated to build the best Apps for collecting & analyzing intelligence, that would be the start in making .KE another Israel...
The problem with all these deals is I guess when we put the same people to lead expecting different results...
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:25 PM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The CIA is primarily into "offshore" snooping/espionage and unlikely to make public announcements .
It is the FBI who are more likely to openly query civilians or announce their activities (onshore) in the USA
http://mashable.com/2013/09/11/fbi-microsoft-bitlocker-backdoor/
Safaricom is better than Anglo Leasing traitors building up "hospitality" abroad without building up Kenyan initiative + intelligence.
Safaricom will not deliver the local initiative we need (as bureaucrats look down on SMEs) but is better than nothing to begin with..
It was not a Phd but a smart college dropout on a CIA project which caused Oracle (the Database Company) to come into being.
http://www.evancarmichael.com/Famous-Entrepreneurs/649/The-Billionaire-Dropo...
The rest, as they say is history :)
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
:)
Ngigi, my thoughts exactly. However, I think some of these things need to go into the preserve of NIS as part of their budget. Imagine if the US Govt (read CIA et al) announced that they are building a super secret network to curb terrorism...Where is the secrecy then?
Just saying..
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
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On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town.
Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG says he was never consulted in drafting this deal ( http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag ).
Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing?
"...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at bay...."
Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this scheme?
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Ngigi
I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth.
My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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Ali, I understand Secrecy, but if something is secret enough that you can't even trust your own AG, then its 100% bound to be criminal! And if you look at how the US procures and builds secret networks and technologies, they will have restricted tenders to say Boeing, Lockheed, GE, Airbus et.al and most often than not, the first phase tends to be a paid-for PoC from the various vendors, then a selection is made based on a set criteria. If time is of the essence and for other factors including *secrecy*, then you can actually single-source, but even in such a case there are certain procedures to be followed. I can't for once imagine in any of these negotiations leaving the AG Office out of it. That *stinks* to high heavens... When I heard of this the first time, I was actually very pro it, but as these details emerge, then it quickly becomes very clear where this is heading... On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
:)
Ngigi, my thoughts exactly. However, I think some of these things need to go into the preserve of NIS as part of their budget. Imagine if the US Govt (read CIA et al) announced that they are building a super secret network to curb terrorism...Where is the secrecy then?
Just saying..
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
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On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town.
Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG says he was never consulted in drafting this deal ( http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag ).
Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing?
"...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at bay...."
Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this scheme?
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Ngigi
I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth.
My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
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On Jun 7, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
I understand Secrecy, but if something is secret enough that you can't even trust your own AG, then its 100% bound to be criminal!
And if you look at how the US procures and builds secret networks and technologies, they will have restricted tenders to say Boeing, Lockheed, GE, Airbus et.al and most often than not, the first phase tends to be a paid-for PoC from the various vendors, then a selection is made based on a set criteria.
If time is of the essence and for other factors including *secrecy*, then you can actually single-source, but even in such a case there are certain procedures to be followed.
I can't for once imagine in any of these negotiations leaving the AG Office out of it. That *stinks* to high heavens...
When I heard of this the first time, I was actually very pro it, but as these details emerge, then it quickly becomes very clear where this is heading...
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: :)
Ngigi, my thoughts exactly. However, I think some of these things need to go into the preserve of NIS as part of their budget. Imagine if the US Govt (read CIA et al) announced that they are building a super secret network to curb terrorism...Where is the secrecy then?
Just saying..
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town.
Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG says he was never consulted in drafting this deal ( http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag ).
Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing?
"...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at bay...."
Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this scheme?
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Ngigi
I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth.
My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward.
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
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On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
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Of what value are wars and militarisation to a country? Does it add more ugali to our table? Sweden and Japan have toned down on their military aggression to focus on their economy. Switzerland voted in a referendum to determine if the state should buy military jets. What's with African countries, militarism and the urge to maintain secrecy in security projects? On 8 Jun 2014 10:04, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ngigi
There is a fundamental issue here in question. Is the government working at cross-purposes with itself?
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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Sent from my iPad
On Jun 7, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
I understand Secrecy, but if something is secret enough that you can't even trust your own AG, then its 100% bound to be criminal!
And if you look at how the US procures and builds secret networks and technologies, they will have restricted tenders to say Boeing, Lockheed, GE, Airbus et.al and most often than not, the first phase tends to be a paid-for PoC from the various vendors, then a selection is made based on a set criteria.
If time is of the essence and for other factors including *secrecy*, then you can actually single-source, but even in such a case there are certain procedures to be followed.
I can't for once imagine in any of these negotiations leaving the AG Office out of it. That *stinks* to high heavens...
When I heard of this the first time, I was actually very pro it, but as these details emerge, then it quickly becomes very clear where this is heading...
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
:)
Ngigi, my thoughts exactly. However, I think some of these things need to go into the preserve of NIS as part of their budget. Imagine if the US Govt (read CIA et al) announced that they are building a super secret network to curb terrorism...Where is the secrecy then?
Just saying..
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town.
Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG says he was never consulted in drafting this deal ( http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag ).
Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing?
"...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at bay...."
Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this scheme?
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Ngigi
I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth.
My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
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Maybe the country we live in borders Somalia and Sudan :-| On Jun 8, 2014 1:12 PM, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Of what value are wars and militarisation to a country?
Does it add more ugali to our table?
Sweden and Japan have toned down on their military aggression to focus on their economy.
Switzerland voted in a referendum to determine if the state should buy military jets.
What's with African countries, militarism and the urge to maintain secrecy in security projects? On 8 Jun 2014 10:04, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ngigi
There is a fundamental issue here in question. Is the government working at cross-purposes with itself?
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 7, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
I understand Secrecy, but if something is secret enough that you can't even trust your own AG, then its 100% bound to be criminal!
And if you look at how the US procures and builds secret networks and technologies, they will have restricted tenders to say Boeing, Lockheed, GE, Airbus et.al and most often than not, the first phase tends to be a paid-for PoC from the various vendors, then a selection is made based on a set criteria.
If time is of the essence and for other factors including *secrecy*, then you can actually single-source, but even in such a case there are certain procedures to be followed.
I can't for once imagine in any of these negotiations leaving the AG Office out of it. That *stinks* to high heavens...
When I heard of this the first time, I was actually very pro it, but as these details emerge, then it quickly becomes very clear where this is heading...
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
:)
Ngigi, my thoughts exactly. However, I think some of these things need to go into the preserve of NIS as part of their budget. Imagine if the US Govt (read CIA et al) announced that they are building a super secret network to curb terrorism...Where is the secrecy then?
Just saying..
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town.
Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG says he was never consulted in drafting this deal ( http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag ).
Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing?
"...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at bay...."
Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this scheme?
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Ngigi
I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth.
My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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And after investing all their energy into war, how are the two doing? Let's not get distracted, border security and well run police and army can tackle our issues. Let's not spend lots of resources covering for incompetency, it won't work. On 8 Jun 2014 13:25, "S.M. Muraya" <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe the country we live in borders Somalia and Sudan :-| On Jun 8, 2014 1:12 PM, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Of what value are wars and militarisation to a country?
Does it add more ugali to our table?
Sweden and Japan have toned down on their military aggression to focus on their economy.
Switzerland voted in a referendum to determine if the state should buy military jets.
What's with African countries, militarism and the urge to maintain secrecy in security projects? On 8 Jun 2014 10:04, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ngigi
There is a fundamental issue here in question. Is the government working at cross-purposes with itself?
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On Jun 7, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
I understand Secrecy, but if something is secret enough that you can't even trust your own AG, then its 100% bound to be criminal!
And if you look at how the US procures and builds secret networks and technologies, they will have restricted tenders to say Boeing, Lockheed, GE, Airbus et.al and most often than not, the first phase tends to be a paid-for PoC from the various vendors, then a selection is made based on a set criteria.
If time is of the essence and for other factors including *secrecy*, then you can actually single-source, but even in such a case there are certain procedures to be followed.
I can't for once imagine in any of these negotiations leaving the AG Office out of it. That *stinks* to high heavens...
When I heard of this the first time, I was actually very pro it, but as these details emerge, then it quickly becomes very clear where this is heading...
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
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Ngigi, my thoughts exactly. However, I think some of these things need to go into the preserve of NIS as part of their budget. Imagine if the US Govt (read CIA et al) announced that they are building a super secret network to curb terrorism...Where is the secrecy then?
Just saying..
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On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town.
Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG says he was never consulted in drafting this deal ( http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag ).
Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing?
"...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at bay...."
Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this scheme?
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Ngigi
I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth.
My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward.
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On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Ali,
This is the way I see it: 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.
So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.
And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result?
Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
Regards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.
See below:-
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-acces...
I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
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