It's the season of the animal migration in the mara, how many knew?
Why do we lack the initiatives to bring this natural wonder to the Internet and gain even more exposure, localise traffic? It's amazing that we have one of the greatest animal migration wonders happening right here in kenya each year, yet not many are aware of the event nor will be able to attend. The animal migration is an odd event, because you have thousands of animals that buildup along the banks of the mara river, at random places. And they also start crossing at random times, as if they recieve a mass communication message at the oddest times and an event that can only be captured if one has knowledge of the area. The closest place that could host a webcam is mara serena which is overlooking a crossing point. Both Safaricom and Airtel have edge coverage in the area, which could be used to provide frame by frame coverage. We don't want people to watch live as they should come to kenya and watch for themselves but we want to also create a live interest. How can we get Hotels, Lodges to co-operate under one "kenya live" system and who pays for the data rates and equipment costs? We would be very capable of building a central streaming system that would capture live images across the country at various tourist locations from western kenyan to the coast. Back in december, I drove down the road towards Magadi and Corner Baridi/OlePolos had some of the best views that Kenya offers. It's amazing the judiciary is now using live video in 2011 and many were impressed, yet many of us were exposed to such video based systems and designs probably 15 or more years ago so it really is quite easy. Let's think of adding some great technology value that could bridge awareness to an important natural event, a step towards creation of national ip traffic which has export value. Additional ideas on what sectors can create more ip traffic and interest, comments or suggestions are very welcome. Thank you.
@ Aki, its good you raise this point, with Michael Joseph at KTB, it seems achievable, the link can then be put on the Magical Kenya Website. On 7/19/11, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Why do we lack the initiatives to bring this natural wonder to the Internet and gain even more exposure, localise traffic? It's amazing that we have one of the greatest animal migration wonders happening right here in kenya each year, yet not many are aware of the event nor will be able to attend. The animal migration is an odd event, because you have thousands of animals that buildup along the banks of the mara river, at random places. And they also start crossing at random times, as if they recieve a mass communication message at the oddest times and an event that can only be captured if one has knowledge of the area. The closest place that could host a webcam is mara serena which is overlooking a crossing point. Both Safaricom and Airtel have edge coverage in the area, which could be used to provide frame by frame coverage. We don't want people to watch live as they should come to kenya and watch for themselves but we want to also create a live interest.
How can we get Hotels, Lodges to co-operate under one "kenya live" system and who pays for the data rates and equipment costs? We would be very capable of building a central streaming system that would capture live images across the country at various tourist locations from western kenyan to the coast. Back in december, I drove down the road towards Magadi and Corner Baridi/OlePolos had some of the best views that Kenya offers. It's amazing the judiciary is now using live video in 2011 and many were impressed, yet many of us were exposed to such video based systems and designs probably 15 or more years ago so it really is quite easy.
Let's think of adding some great technology value that could bridge awareness to an important natural event, a step towards creation of national ip traffic which has export value. Additional ideas on what sectors can create more ip traffic and interest, comments or suggestions are very welcome.
Thank you.
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@Barrack, thanks. In the Mara, both network operators have towers on hills with truly amazing views, even the mountain ridge close to the Tz border, towards hippo point. Am not sure how much Telcos charge to use such facilities and again it boils down to finances, but it would be impressive if we can get the Mara online someday. This online streams would be matched to the Mara map and gates because the Mara can get very tricky off the normal tracks and useful for animal spotting. Eventually we could also think of putting up a portable weather station that can stream real time data such as temp, humidity and share it globally etc. There are no limits to what can be done. This is one of the few who understand the old value of ip traffic and have a live webcam : http://www.turtlebay.co.ke/ On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Aki, its good you raise this point, with Michael Joseph at KTB, it seems achievable, the link can then be put on the Magical Kenya Website.
@Aki, I am so with you, we visited Lake Nakuru, a few weeks back, with my friends, and it is awesome! and we lightly touched on the very same issue, of IP traffic, but the conversation almost came to an end at the point of, who will climb that tree to put the webcam? :-) we live in an awesome country, with awesome view and we can discuss this further, just let me know...this is great! Kind Regards, “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:17 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Barrack, thanks. In the Mara, both network operators have towers on hills with truly amazing views, even the mountain ridge close to the Tz border, towards hippo point. Am not sure how much Telcos charge to use such facilities and again it boils down to finances, but it would be impressive if we can get the Mara online someday. This online streams would be matched to the Mara map and gates because the Mara can get very tricky off the normal tracks and useful for animal spotting. Eventually we could also think of putting up a portable weather station that can stream real time data such as temp, humidity and share it globally etc. There are no limits to what can be done.
This is one of the few who understand the old value of ip traffic and have a live webcam : http://www.turtlebay.co.ke/
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Aki, its good you raise this point, with Michael Joseph at KTB, it seems achievable, the link can then be put on the Magical Kenya Website.
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@Judy, thank you very much. I agree on KE and its views are truly awesome, Lake Nakuru and the (baboon) view point is another truly amazing place. Reachable by even a normal car, its well worth the trip. I think in the long term we need telcos/isps to think about creating data traffic based on how the world sees KE. They can even create the systems, because wherever there is a tower in the park, it basically hosts all the facilities. The technology is there to be used. I'm stuck in my own time zone unfortunately, i.e on creating my own systems that will add functionality across our networks but this all takes much time and stubbornly I refuse to use any vendors because of serious setbacks I've seen over the years. Hopefully some day my work will be used as a platform. However, I'll gladly share any online contributions on such subjects that may also help others achieve their own systems or ideas. :-) Rgds. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki, I am so with you, we visited Lake Nakuru, a few weeks back, with my friends, and it is awesome! and we lightly touched on the very same issue, of IP traffic, but the conversation almost came to an end at the point of, who will climb that tree to put the webcam? :-)
we live in an awesome country, with awesome view and we can discuss this further, just let me know...this is great!
Kind Regards,
My husband has a safari company. www.wildcatssafaris.com http://www.magicalkenya.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=124&Itemid=228 So, I am on board with this idea. Let me know how I can help. Rigia On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 5:01 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Judy, thank you very much. I agree on KE and its views are truly awesome, Lake Nakuru and the (baboon) view point is another truly amazing place. Reachable by even a normal car, its well worth the trip. I think in the long term we need telcos/isps to think about creating data traffic based on how the world sees KE. They can even create the systems, because wherever there is a tower in the park, it basically hosts all the facilities. The technology is there to be used. I'm stuck in my own time zone unfortunately, i.e on creating my own systems that will add functionality across our networks but this all takes much time and stubbornly I refuse to use any vendors because of serious setbacks I've seen over the years. Hopefully some day my work will be used as a platform. However, I'll gladly share any online contributions on such subjects that may also help others achieve their own systems or ideas. :-)
Rgds.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki, I am so with you, we visited Lake Nakuru, a few weeks back, with my friends, and it is awesome! and we lightly touched on the very same issue, of IP traffic, but the conversation almost came to an end at the point of, who will climb that tree to put the webcam? :-)
we live in an awesome country, with awesome view and we can discuss this further, just let me know...this is great!
Kind Regards,
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@Rigia, thank you very much for your support. I hope some serious Telcos/ISPs are paying attention to this thread and can add core value to their data services streams through the national asset that is toursim. General comment : How far can it go? Really really far. I know that the Mara has Radio Frequencies that Safari Operators use keep intouch when animals are spotted. It can sometimes take a whole day to find a pack of lions or even those on a kill. This radio frequency stream can be put online, and animal spotting can be shared on the Mara Online site. Someday we will also put JKIA Air Traffic Control online and let plane spotters enjoy the services, a hobby of many people. Listen to this real time John F Kennedy International Airport Air Traffic Control, its amazing to listen to the planes request for landing, take off with their call signs. Please give the stream some minutes, sometimes the air traffic is not that busy. http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?mount=kjfk_co&icao=kjfk With Rgds. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:29 PM, warigia bowman <warigia@aucegypt.edu>wrote:
My husband has a safari company.
www.wildcatssafaris.com
http://www.magicalkenya.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=124&Itemid=228
So, I am on board with this idea. Let me know how I can help.
Rigia
If I may play devil's advocate: 1 - What would streaming live by webcam do to the local communities (incl the tour companies, drivers, waiters, hoteliers, curio shops, etc) that rely on REAL LIVE visitors visiting the Mara to bring them income? 2 - What will it do to the REAL EXPERIENCE of waiting and waiting for the stampede to start (which in turns means longer occupancy/stays/etc)? I think its like shooting a fish in a barrel - no fun at all - esp for the communities that stand to benefit. The tech savvy will simply monitor the herds and once they start moving, airlift visitors to the site - I think it kills the suspense and sense of expectancy (ergo diminishes the experience). 3 - Should we always leverage technology no matter what? Technology for technologies sake? Just my two wildebeest trophies....with a crocodile's smug grin... On 19 July 2011 13:29, warigia bowman <warigia@aucegypt.edu> wrote:
My husband has a safari company.
www.wildcatssafaris.com
http://www.magicalkenya.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=124&Itemid=228
So, I am on board with this idea. Let me know how I can help.
Rigia
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 5:01 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Judy, thank you very much. I agree on KE and its views are truly awesome, Lake Nakuru and the (baboon) view point is another truly amazing place. Reachable by even a normal car, its well worth the trip. I think in the long term we need telcos/isps to think about creating data traffic based on how the world sees KE. They can even create the systems, because wherever there is a tower in the park, it basically hosts all the facilities. The technology is there to be used. I'm stuck in my own time zone unfortunately, i.e on creating my own systems that will add functionality across our networks but this all takes much time and stubbornly I refuse to use any vendors because of serious setbacks I've seen over the years. Hopefully some day my work will be used as a platform. However, I'll gladly share any online contributions on such subjects that may also help others achieve their own systems or ideas. :-)
Rgds.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki, I am so with you, we visited Lake Nakuru, a few weeks back, with my friends, and it is awesome! and we lightly touched on the very same issue, of IP traffic, but the conversation almost came to an end at the point of, who will climb that tree to put the webcam? :-)
we live in an awesome country, with awesome view and we can discuss this further, just let me know...this is great!
Kind Regards,
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@Francis, your crocodile grin comment........ :-))) Pls find the comments inline below. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
If I may play devil's advocate: 1 - What would streaming live by webcam do to the local communities (incl the tour companies, drivers, waiters, hoteliers, curio shops, etc) that rely on REAL LIVE visitors visiting the Mara to bring them income?
*For a start, how would you paint a picture of the Mara to a guest who is interested? Suppose visitors searched on the Web as a global search resource and needed a peek into what this Mara thing is, what would they see? What about those who already visited and have an attachment to Kenya to return, is there no motivation for them? Putting the frame by frame stream online ( not real time streaming ) creates more searchable interest. Now unless some Massai fellows spear the ip web cams........ :-)* ** *Seriously, when we think of National Geograhic narating the event and we can watch the entire process of crocs lying in wait to jump the animals, all this is happening on the TV in the comfort of our homes. Then why do tourists still come and watch the event? They must be crazy to come and watch something that is also available on DVD. Then there are also Zoos in other countries so why bother to come to Kenya?* **
2 - What will it do to the REAL EXPERIENCE of waiting and waiting for the stampede to start (which in turns means longer occupancy/stays/etc)? I think its like shooting a fish in a barrel - no fun at all - esp for the communities that stand to benefit. The tech savvy will simply monitor the herds and once they start moving, airlift visitors to the site - I think it kills the suspense and sense of expectancy (ergo diminishes the experience).
*Actually the beauty of the system is to create that interest and an alert of events taking place, therefore while the airlift goes on which is at least 6-15 hours away the herds have changed "mood". Nature is unpredicatble, so no tech algorithm can compute it. Either way, the stay is not affected, unless the animals somehow develop an intelligence or phobia.*
3 - Should we always leverage technology no matter what? Technology for technologies sake?
*This explains why we are where we are, so I suppose you will not mind travelling to the Mara in a donkey pulled cart? I mean, who really cares about 4 wheel drives, traction control, winches and tow ropes, extra fuel tanks, water and all that planning that goes into trips. Please try and make a trip to the Mara around the rainy season, you will get a first hand idea of why the donkey cart would be too dangerious when the animals have little ones they protect. If you thought the Lion is known as the King in a joking manner, please drive near to it. 99% of all animals will move away, not this animal. * ** *You should look at the vision of the why we need to do this, putting the Mara Online will mean many things from camps locations to gps co-ordinates for navigation, the sky is the limit on this. We can make it whatever we want for those who are interested in kenya as a tourist destination. :-)* My thots. Rgds.
I further checked other sites in the world, just to be sure that I was not the lone ranger in my thinking. Please have a look at this: Yellowstone National Park WebCams, USA. http://www.nps.gov/yell/photosmultimedia/webcams.htm Now even the Hot Springs in lake Bogoria seem like live streams. will local Telcos/ISPs create the local traffic or will they leave it to some of us to do in the long term? Thank you for the patience.
@ Francis and Aki, adding another wildebeeste trophy :-)), I attended Radio Africa 2004 at the then KCCT in mbagathi and I remember some geeks (physicists) showing a weather station tucked somewhere in a mountanious range in Mexico which was being monitored using very cheap technology (read webcams), I agree with Aki the webcams might actually act as a catalyst for human migration to watch the Wildebeeste. On 7/19/11, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
I further checked other sites in the world, just to be sure that I was not the lone ranger in my thinking. Please have a look at this: Yellowstone National Park WebCams, USA. http://www.nps.gov/yell/photosmultimedia/webcams.htm
Now even the Hot Springs in lake Bogoria seem like live streams. will local Telcos/ISPs create the local traffic or will they leave it to some of us to do in the long term?
Thank you for the patience.
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Dear Barrack and Aki If it increases the human migration, that is good for Kenya, and local communities. Any other examples of webcams at tourist locations? Rigia On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Francis and Aki, adding another wildebeeste trophy :-)), I attended Radio Africa 2004 at the then KCCT in mbagathi and I remember some geeks (physicists) showing a weather station tucked somewhere in a mountanious range in Mexico which was being monitored using very cheap technology (read webcams), I agree with Aki the webcams might actually act as a catalyst for human migration to watch the Wildebeeste.
On 7/19/11, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
I further checked other sites in the world, just to be sure that I was not the lone ranger in my thinking. Please have a look at this: Yellowstone National Park WebCams, USA. http://www.nps.gov/yell/photosmultimedia/webcams.htm
Now even the Hot Springs in lake Bogoria seem like live streams. will local Telcos/ISPs create the local traffic or will they leave it to some of us to do in the long term?
Thank you for the patience.
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Please find this list of webcams use, after further research. There are so many out there.. - over 5000 webcams from ski resorts around the world. http://www.snoweye.com/ - South Africa : Elephant Cams : http://www.elecam.org/ - Japan : http://www.nippon-sekai.com/main/travel-information/tips-and-resources/virtu... - More global resources. http://www.camvista.com/watch-live-video/asia/live_streaming_webcams.html Thank you.
Dear Aki, I praise you for your determination. I am impressed by your research skills. Go forth and conquer! Sincerely, Rigia On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:06 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Please find this list of webcams use, after further research. There are so many out there..
- over 5000 webcams from ski resorts around the world. http://www.snoweye.com/
- South Africa : Elephant Cams : http://www.elecam.org/
- Japan : http://www.nippon-sekai.com/main/travel-information/tips-and-resources/virtu...
- More global resources. http://www.camvista.com/watch-live-video/asia/live_streaming_webcams.html
Thank you.
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Thank you @Rigia. I'm going to give our fellow Telcos/ISPs or others sometime to digest the information to create their own systems for data traffic creation and awareness and if they are still blank within 12 months time, I'm think am going to make Mara one of my personal online projects. I can just imagine Safaricom/Airtel/Orange running with online streams with webcams during the great animal migration. Fits very well with their 3g data goals and infrastructure. Rgds. :-) On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:08 PM, warigia bowman <warigia@aucegypt.edu>wrote:
Dear Aki,
I praise you for your determination. I am impressed by your research skills. Go forth and conquer!
Sincerely, Rigia
Aki - like I said, I am just playing the devil's advocate...oft I think what technology has done to what were WHOLESOME things....take an example of our reading culture...(on that note I buy more books than gadgets for my kids)...ask any kid today if they have read or even heard of Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer, or Famous Five, or King Solomon's Mines...(aside from what they learn at school) ....however they will tell which characters Ben 10 can morph into. Meanwhile in the brain synapses are getting wired poorly thanks to such stimuli and lack of "exercise". When we think of how we are getting socialised these days vis a vis 15 years ago....we courted our spouses at the cinema, walked in the parks, hired a movie to watch at home....now? We poke and super poke, friend and unfriend, we tweet about our Friday shenanigans, we bare it all on facebook, etc etc - I think humanity has lost more than it gained from social networking. What next? Humanoid wives with zero nagging features to make men happy? Or zero grazing android high fidelity husbands that will not wander away from the "pasture" and make women happy - I'd say that's more innovative than getting a few more eyeballs to see crocs make a quick meal out of wildebeest. All I am saying is, lets not treat every problem like a nail and technology as the hammer - lets leave unsullied some experiences. On 19 July 2011 17:24, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Francis, your crocodile grin comment........ :-)))
Pls find the comments inline below.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
If I may play devil's advocate: 1 - What would streaming live by webcam do to the local communities (incl the tour companies, drivers, waiters, hoteliers, curio shops, etc) that rely on REAL LIVE visitors visiting the Mara to bring them income?
*For a start, how would you paint a picture of the Mara to a guest who is interested? Suppose visitors searched on the Web as a global search resource and needed a peek into what this Mara thing is, what would they see? What about those who already visited and have an attachment to Kenya to return, is there no motivation for them? Putting the frame by frame stream online ( not real time streaming ) creates more searchable interest. Now unless some Massai fellows spear the ip web cams........ :-)* ** *Seriously, when we think of National Geograhic narating the event and we can watch the entire process of crocs lying in wait to jump the animals, all this is happening on the TV in the comfort of our homes. Then why do tourists still come and watch the event? They must be crazy to come and watch something that is also available on DVD. Then there are also Zoos in other countries so why bother to come to Kenya?* **
2 - What will it do to the REAL EXPERIENCE of waiting and waiting for the stampede to start (which in turns means longer occupancy/stays/etc)? I think its like shooting a fish in a barrel - no fun at all - esp for the communities that stand to benefit. The tech savvy will simply monitor the herds and once they start moving, airlift visitors to the site - I think it kills the suspense and sense of expectancy (ergo diminishes the experience).
*Actually the beauty of the system is to create that interest and an alert of events taking place, therefore while the airlift goes on which is at least 6-15 hours away the herds have changed "mood". Nature is unpredicatble, so no tech algorithm can compute it. Either way, the stay is not affected, unless the animals somehow develop an intelligence or phobia. *
3 - Should we always leverage technology no matter what? Technology for technologies sake?
*This explains why we are where we are, so I suppose you will not mind travelling to the Mara in a donkey pulled cart? I mean, who really cares about 4 wheel drives, traction control, winches and tow ropes, extra fuel tanks, water and all that planning that goes into trips. Please try and make a trip to the Mara around the rainy season, you will get a first hand idea of why the donkey cart would be too dangerious when the animals have little ones they protect. If you thought the Lion is known as the King in a joking manner, please drive near to it. 99% of all animals will move away, not this animal. * ** *You should look at the vision of the why we need to do this, putting the Mara Online will mean many things from camps locations to gps co-ordinates for navigation, the sky is the limit on this. We can make it whatever we want for those who are interested in kenya as a tourist destination. :-)*
My thots.
Rgds.
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Francis, that's a very nice reading below.... Andriod spouses, lol! :-)))) I tell you what, if telcos/isps and other don't do this project in the next 12 months, I'm definately giving it a go. And I'd very very much like your input, because we can also integrate the great humor and human side of things in some sort of captions that involve events that can happen and should happen in the Mara. For example, why would newly weds choose the Mara? Where are the most romantic places with killer views and breath taking services ? Which hotel, lodge or camp will treat the honey-mooners as special guests even just for a few days? What activities can kids do, rather than running after Lions tails or head butting some poor gazelles? Much thanks. :-) Rgds. On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki - like I said, I am just playing the devil's advocate...oft I think what technology has done to what were WHOLESOME things....take an example of our reading culture...(on that note I buy more books than gadgets for my kids)...ask any kid today if they have read or even heard of Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer, or Famous Five, or King Solomon's Mines...(aside from what they learn at school) ....however they will tell which characters Ben 10 can morph into. Meanwhile in the brain synapses are getting wired poorly thanks to such stimuli and lack of "exercise".
When we think of how we are getting socialised these days vis a vis 15 years ago....we courted our spouses at the cinema, walked in the parks, hired a movie to watch at home....now? We poke and super poke, friend and unfriend, we tweet about our Friday shenanigans, we bare it all on facebook, etc etc - I think humanity has lost more than it gained from social networking.
What next? Humanoid wives with zero nagging features to make men happy? Or zero grazing android high fidelity husbands that will not wander away from the "pasture" and make women happy - I'd say that's more innovative than getting a few more eyeballs to see crocs make a quick meal out of wildebeest.
All I am saying is, lets not treat every problem like a nail and technology as the hammer - lets leave unsullied some experiences.
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