Are we letting the PS get away with this too?
I seriously hope that this http://bit.ly/famTA5 is just some fanatical reporting at Nation Media (would not be shocked) but if so, if these words came out of your mouth bwana PS, THAT THE PRICE WARS IN THE MOBILE INDUSTRY MIGHT DERAIL THE NEW CONSTITUTION. Are you for Real? Is that not cartel behaviour right there? So now what, are you going to "adjust" the lowest interconnection fees upwards to normalize all this? so that what? Safaricom can make more money? Playing on the public with FUD now? what happened to market forces? who would run their company to a grind just to offer the cheapest? Revenue collection? how about we first spend PRUDENTLY what we collect? how about ALL of us pay taxes for starters? and why not just LOWER taxes and increase the tax bracket? I have never been disappointed like i have on reading this. If it looks like Impunity, Smells like Impunity , guess what it is....
On 18/01/2011, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I seriously hope that this http://bit.ly/famTA5 is just some fanatical reporting at Nation Media (would not be shocked) but if so, if these words came out of your mouth bwana PS,
THAT THE PRICE WARS IN THE MOBILE INDUSTRY MIGHT DERAIL THE NEW CONSTITUTION.
Are you for Real? Is that not cartel behaviour right there? So now what, are you going to "adjust" the lowest interconnection fees upwards to normalize all this? so that what? Safaricom can make more money?
Playing on the public with FUD now? what happened to market forces? who would run their company to a grind just to offer the cheapest? Revenue collection? how about we first spend PRUDENTLY what we collect? how about ALL of us pay taxes for starters? and why not just LOWER taxes and increase the tax bracket?
I have never been disappointed like i have on reading this.
If it looks like Impunity, Smells like Impunity , guess what it is....
I read the story about five times to see where the lowering of the voice calls would derail the new constitution, but I could not find anything to that effect. I thought, in my little understanding, when politicians failed to approve the names of people fronted for the constitutional commissions, (Commission on the Implementation of the Constitution and the Commission of Revenue Allocation) was the direct derailment of the constitution. But on Mobile phones 'wars'? That's new to me. Safaricom also complains of Airtel's price reduction as a lead to collapse in the industry.... how now? I thought that should be Airtel's risk and not a threat in anyway to Safaricom's growth, in anyway. I think I need to get back to my books! -- *Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau* ***************************************************** *Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!* AND *It is better to die in dignity than in the ignominy of ambiguous generosity! * http://smiley2.wordpress.com http://mburu.sikika.co.ke
THAT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED A FREE AND INDEPENDENT CCK - WHERE THE GOVERNMENT LEAD BY THE PS DOES NOT DICTATE WHAT THE PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE IN ALL HONESTY THIS IS NONSENSE. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 18/01/2011, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I seriously hope that this http://bit.ly/famTA5 is just some fanatical reporting at Nation Media (would not be shocked) but if so, if these words came out of your mouth bwana PS,
THAT THE PRICE WARS IN THE MOBILE INDUSTRY MIGHT DERAIL THE NEW CONSTITUTION.
Are you for Real? Is that not cartel behaviour right there? So now what, are you going to "adjust" the lowest interconnection fees upwards to normalize all this? so that what? Safaricom can make more money?
Playing on the public with FUD now? what happened to market forces? who would run their company to a grind just to offer the cheapest? Revenue collection? how about we first spend PRUDENTLY what we collect? how about ALL of us pay taxes for starters? and why not just LOWER taxes and increase the tax bracket?
I have never been disappointed like i have on reading this.
If it looks like Impunity, Smells like Impunity , guess what it is....
I read the story about five times to see where the lowering of the voice calls would derail the new constitution, but I could not find anything to that effect. I thought, in my little understanding, when politicians failed to approve the names of people fronted for the constitutional commissions, (Commission on the Implementation of the Constitution and the Commission of Revenue Allocation) was the direct derailment of the constitution. But on Mobile phones 'wars'? That's new to me.
Safaricom also complains of Airtel's price reduction as a lead to collapse in the industry.... how now? I thought that should be Airtel's risk and not a threat in anyway to Safaricom's growth, in anyway.
I think I need to get back to my books! -- *Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau*
***************************************************** *Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!*
AND
*It is better to die in dignity than in the ignominy of ambiguous generosity! *
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On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:42 AM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I seriously hope that this http://bit.ly/famTA5 is just some fanatical reporting at Nation Media (would not be shocked) but if so, if these words came out of your mouth bwana PS,
THAT THE PRICE WARS IN THE MOBILE INDUSTRY MIGHT DERAIL THE NEW CONSTITUTION.
Are you for Real? Is that not cartel behaviour right there? So now what, are you going to "adjust" the lowest interconnection fees upwards to normalize all this? so that what? Safaricom can make more money?
Playing on the public with FUD now? what happened to market forces? who would run their company to a grind just to offer the cheapest? Revenue collection? how about we first spend PRUDENTLY what we collect? how about ALL of us pay taxes for starters? and why not just LOWER taxes and increase the tax bracket?
I have never been disappointed like i have on reading this.
On that article, the PS simply failed to reason like a technocrat. I am not sure what "hat" he was wearing when he said that. Quoting him: <Quote> "Citing the Kenya Revenue Authority’s recent failure to meet its 2010/11 first half collection target by Sh5 billion, the PS said the Airtel-triggered price war could not have come at a worse time. <Quote> 5billion is just 1billion more than the taxpayers money that (part of) the cabinet wants to spend on Mr. Francis Muthaura and Major. Gen. Hussein Ali on the Hague case. Talk of the govt paying for lawyers to defend its illegal actions. I saw the Safaricom CEO on TV last night trying to persuade the govt from allowing Airtel's action, saying it will make the mobile industry unsustainable, leading to the govt losing on taxes. He emphasized that by saying that Safaricom is the leading taxpayer. I see a conspiracy between Dr. Ndemo and Safaricom's CEO to stop mwananchi from enjoying lower call rates! How does "on-net" call tariffs within Airtel affect their bottom line? Are they scared of competition? Anyway, back to the revenue bit: The govt already overtaxes Kenyans and we cannot use the mobile industry income as an excuse to not let wananchi enjoy cheaper call rates. Think of this. The govt imposes punitive taxes on used car imports in order to discourage dumping. The same govt does not see any reason to reduce takes on new car imports! So you pay higher taxes for a used Toyota Wish, but even higher when you bring in a new one from the show room in Japan! Does that make sense? All employed persons contribute at least 30% of their salary to the govt in the form of PAYE. Kenyans are dying of hunger. Powerful govt delegations then tour the affected areas "to assess the famine situation" (Daily Nation of 20110114, Pg. 8). Quantify how much they spent on this trip versus how much, if any, they gave to the dying Kenyans in the form of food relief. Are there no govt officials in those areas to give reports? (DC, DOs, District Committees). This is sheer wastage of revenue, yet the govt wants more revenue by taxing Kenyans more?? In this particular case, Dr. Ndemo should give us another, and better reason, why call rates should not go lower, not the excuse about govt losing revenue, thus derailing the implementation of the new constitution. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
Guys please consider that the PS may have been quoted out of context - seriously. The real culprit if there were any conspiracy with Safaricom would be the reporter and their editor. The article makes very little sense if any and its interesting how the editor got it published in its form. Otherwise Bwana PS, on this one, it will be very difficult to argue against such REAL and RARE benefits to the bottom of the pyramid (most mwananchi) as the price cuts resulting from the competition. I have previously blogged arguments of this issue on these addresses http://goo.gl/zv74A , http://goo.gl/J4H29 for those who have some more time to read Best regards On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:42 AM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I seriously hope that this http://bit.ly/famTA5 is just some fanatical reporting at Nation Media (would not be shocked) but if so, if these words came out of your mouth bwana PS,
THAT THE PRICE WARS IN THE MOBILE INDUSTRY MIGHT DERAIL THE NEW CONSTITUTION.
Are you for Real? Is that not cartel behaviour right there? So now what, are you going to "adjust" the lowest interconnection fees upwards to normalize all this? so that what? Safaricom can make more money?
Playing on the public with FUD now? what happened to market forces? who would run their company to a grind just to offer the cheapest? Revenue collection? how about we first spend PRUDENTLY what we collect? how about ALL of us pay taxes for starters? and why not just LOWER taxes and increase the tax bracket?
I have never been disappointed like i have on reading this.
On that article, the PS simply failed to reason like a technocrat. I am not sure what "hat" he was wearing when he said that. Quoting him: <Quote> "Citing the Kenya Revenue Authority’s recent failure to meet its 2010/11 first half collection target by Sh5 billion, the PS said the Airtel-triggered price war could not have come at a worse time. <Quote>
5billion is just 1billion more than the taxpayers money that (part of) the cabinet wants to spend on Mr. Francis Muthaura and Major. Gen. Hussein Ali on the Hague case. Talk of the govt paying for lawyers to defend its illegal actions.
I saw the Safaricom CEO on TV last night trying to persuade the govt from allowing Airtel's action, saying it will make the mobile industry unsustainable, leading to the govt losing on taxes. He emphasized that by saying that Safaricom is the leading taxpayer.
I see a conspiracy between Dr. Ndemo and Safaricom's CEO to stop mwananchi from enjoying lower call rates! How does "on-net" call tariffs within Airtel affect their bottom line? Are they scared of competition?
Anyway, back to the revenue bit: The govt already overtaxes Kenyans and we cannot use the mobile industry income as an excuse to not let wananchi enjoy cheaper call rates. Think of this. The govt imposes punitive taxes on used car imports in order to discourage dumping. The same govt does not see any reason to reduce takes on new car imports! So you pay higher taxes for a used Toyota Wish, but even higher when you bring in a new one from the show room in Japan! Does that make sense? All employed persons contribute at least 30% of their salary to the govt in the form of PAYE.
Kenyans are dying of hunger. Powerful govt delegations then tour the affected areas "to assess the famine situation" (Daily Nation of 20110114, Pg. 8). Quantify how much they spent on this trip versus how much, if any, they gave to the dying Kenyans in the form of food relief. Are there no govt officials in those areas to give reports? (DC, DOs, District Committees). This is sheer wastage of revenue, yet the govt wants more revenue by taxing Kenyans more??
In this particular case, Dr. Ndemo should give us another, and better reason, why call rates should not go lower, not the excuse about govt losing revenue, thus derailing the implementation of the new constitution.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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I agree with the PS, the constitution might even be the list of the government funded projects to be directly affected by lower mobile tariffs because airtime like alcohol and fuel have a sin tax. The best way to tax a nation where 80% of the adults do not pay income tax is to collect at the point of consumption. KRA has enjoyed good tidings and continues to do so because of implementing a tax regime that is customised to the local environment, peculiar situations by peculiar people require peculiar solutions. Note that the tax on airtime is based on a percentage so do the month, if this value keeps dropping the government collects less and therefore has less funds to meet its expenditure obligations. What then happens is that they look for other avenues to cover the deficit such as increasing the price of fuel. The airtime wars are not local they are global and we make a very small indentation on this organisations bottom line which makes this a playing ground and us pawns and unless our queen, bishops and rocks protect us we shall be left high and try. Once Airtel realise that their forever tariff changes are not producing the expected results all they need to do is sell off to another multinational player who is then not bound by the forever tariff and can then come in and take over the market from a weakened competition, Strategy 101. Yes, lower tariffs has a far reaching impact than many of us care to consider, that is why we pay our PS what we do so that he can consider such issues. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 18 January, 2011 11:42:29 Subject: [kictanet] Are we letting the PS get away with this too? I seriously hope that this http://bit.ly/famTA5 is just some fanatical reporting at Nation Media (would not be shocked) but if so, if these words came out of your mouth bwana PS, THAT THE PRICE WARS IN THE MOBILE INDUSTRY MIGHT DERAIL THE NEW CONSTITUTION. Are you for Real? Is that not cartel behaviour right there? So now what, are you going to "adjust" the lowest interconnection fees upwards to normalize all this? so that what? Safaricom can make more money? Playing on the public with FUD now? what happened to market forces? who would run their company to a grind just to offer the cheapest? Revenue collection? how about we first spend PRUDENTLY what we collect? how about ALL of us pay taxes for starters? and why not just LOWER taxes and increase the tax bracket? I have never been disappointed like i have on reading this. If it looks like Impunity, Smells like Impunity , guess what it is....
@yawe I would say i agree with you that the best way to tax a nation is at the point of consumption, doing so makes sense to me (hence the ridiculous suggestion i made the other day to scrap all income related taxes and just up vat a point or two), What pains me in this instance however has more to do with the moral authority to impose an additional tax burden. Is it any surprise to you that what is needed to implement the constitution would be hugely boosted by a certain 4.7Billion that might easily end up somewhere else. And just who are we kidding, even if safaricom paid all its income as tax, what is twenty seven billion divided by nine hundred and ninety something billion times a hundred? less than 3% of our budget. I think as taxpayers we deserve a break, at least give us a reason to give cheerflully .. (for God loves a cheerful giver). On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
I agree with the PS, the constitution might even be the list of the government funded projects to be directly affected by lower mobile tariffs because airtime like alcohol and fuel have a sin tax.
The best way to tax a nation where 80% of the adults do not pay income tax is to collect at the point of consumption. KRA has enjoyed good tidings and continues to do so because of implementing a tax regime that is customised to the local environment, peculiar situations by peculiar people require peculiar solutions.
Note that the tax on airtime is based on a percentage so do the month, if this value keeps dropping the government collects less and therefore has less funds to meet its expenditure obligations. What then happens is that they look for other avenues to cover the deficit such as increasing the price of fuel.
The airtime wars are not local they are global and we make a very small indentation on this organisations bottom line which makes this a playing ground and us pawns and unless our queen, bishops and rocks protect us we shall be left high and try.
Once Airtel realise that their forever tariff changes are not producing the expected results all they need to do is sell off to another multinational player who is then not bound by the forever tariff and can then come in and take over the market from a weakened competition, Strategy 101.
Yes, lower tariffs has a far reaching impact than many of us care to consider, that is why we pay our PS what we do so that he can consider such issues.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tue, 18 January, 2011 11:42:29 *Subject:* [kictanet] Are we letting the PS get away with this too?
I seriously hope that this http://bit.ly/famTA5 is just some fanatical reporting at Nation Media (would not be shocked) but if so, if these words came out of your mouth bwana PS,
THAT THE PRICE WARS IN THE MOBILE INDUSTRY MIGHT DERAIL THE NEW CONSTITUTION.
Are you for Real? Is that not cartel behaviour right there? So now what, are you going to "adjust" the lowest interconnection fees upwards to normalize all this? so that what? Safaricom can make more money?
Playing on the public with FUD now? what happened to market forces? who would run their company to a grind just to offer the cheapest? Revenue collection? how about we first spend PRUDENTLY what we collect? how about ALL of us pay taxes for starters? and why not just LOWER taxes and increase the tax bracket?
I have never been disappointed like i have on reading this.
If it looks like Impunity, Smells like Impunity , guess what it is....
-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”* ~ Alex Carey ~ Tel No: 0x2af23696
It is reassuring that the tariff is a promotion at that sanity shall resume in due course. In closing I would like to understand why no one has raised the issue of the government regulating the price of fuel upwards but we all seem to call the regulation card when the government tries to stop the free fall of a price. We either want the government totally in or totally out and stop having double standards. Now that I think of it why do we have a cap on the movement of a share during a particular trading day would you have preferred it if there was no band set? Finally let us remember the teachings of Abunuasi, if the sufuri can give bath so then can it die. If we cheer on the government when they regulate the price of maize, wheat and petrol we must do the same when they regulate the price of airtime. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 20 January, 2011 11:56:56 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Are we letting the PS get away with this too? @yawe I would say i agree with you that the best way to tax a nation is at the point of consumption, doing so makes sense to me (hence the ridiculous suggestion i made the other day to scrap all income related taxes and just up vat a point or two), What pains me in this instance however has more to do with the moral authority to impose an additional tax burden. Is it any surprise to you that what is needed to implement the constitution would be hugely boosted by a certain 4.7Billion that might easily end up somewhere else. And just who are we kidding, even if safaricom paid all its income as tax, what is twenty seven billion divided by nine hundred and ninety something billion times a hundred? less than 3% of our budget. I think as taxpayers we deserve a break, at least give us a reason to give cheerflully .. (for God loves a cheerful giver). On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I agree with the PS, the constitution might even be the list of the government funded projects to be directly affected by lower mobile tariffs because airtime like alcohol and fuel have a sin tax.
The best way to tax a nation where 80% of the adults do not pay income tax is to collect at the point of consumption. KRA has enjoyed good tidings and continues to do so because of implementing a tax regime that is customised to the local environment, peculiar situations by peculiar people require peculiar solutions.
Note that the tax on airtime is based on a percentage so do the month, if this value keeps dropping the government collects less and therefore has less funds to meet its expenditure obligations. What then happens is that they look for other avenues to cover the deficit such as increasing the price of fuel.
The airtime wars are not local they are global and we make a very small indentation on this organisations bottom line which makes this a playing ground and us pawns and unless our queen, bishops and rocks protect us we shall be left high and try.
Once Airtel realise that their forever tariff changes are not producing the expected results all they need to do is sell off to another multinational player who is then not bound by the forever tariff and can then come in and take over the market from a weakened competition, Strategy 101.
Yes, lower tariffs has a far reaching impact than many of us care to consider, that is why we pay our PS what we do so that he can consider such issues.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________
From: [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 18 January, 2011 11:42:29 Subject: [kictanet] Are we letting the PS get away with this too?
I seriously hope that this http://bit.ly/famTA5 is just some fanatical reporting at Nation Media (would not be shocked) but if so, if these words came out of your mouth bwana PS,
THAT THE PRICE WARS IN THE MOBILE INDUSTRY MIGHT DERAIL THE NEW CONSTITUTION.
Are you for Real? Is that not cartel behaviour right there? So now what, are you going to "adjust" the lowest interconnection fees upwards to normalize all this? so that what? Safaricom can make more money?
Playing on the public with FUD now? what happened to market forces? who would run their company to a grind just to offer the cheapest? Revenue collection? how about we first spend PRUDENTLY what we collect? how about ALL of us pay taxes for starters? and why not just LOWER taxes and increase the tax bracket?
I have never been disappointed like i have on reading this.
If it looks like Impunity, Smells like Impunity , guess what it is....
-- “The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy” ~ Alex Carey ~ Tel No: 0x2af23696
I don't understand the hullabaloo around Airtels tariff. Dont Orange Kenya have a tariff where you pay 100 bob a month and talk unlimited on-net? isn't this alot cheaper than 1 bob per minute? On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:56 AM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@yawe I would say i agree with you that the best way to tax a nation is at the point of consumption, doing so makes sense to me (hence the ridiculous suggestion i made the other day to scrap all income related taxes and just up vat a point or two), What pains me in this instance however has more to do with the moral authority to impose an additional tax burden. Is it any surprise to you that what is needed to implement the constitution would be hugely boosted by a certain 4.7Billion that might easily end up somewhere else.
And just who are we kidding, even if safaricom paid all its income as tax, what is twenty seven billion divided by nine hundred and ninety something billion times a hundred? less than 3% of our budget. I think as taxpayers we deserve a break, at least give us a reason to give cheerflully .. (for God loves a cheerful giver).
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
I agree with the PS, the constitution might even be the list of the government funded projects to be directly affected by lower mobile tariffs because airtime like alcohol and fuel have a sin tax.
The best way to tax a nation where 80% of the adults do not pay income tax is to collect at the point of consumption. KRA has enjoyed good tidings and continues to do so because of implementing a tax regime that is customised to the local environment, peculiar situations by peculiar people require peculiar solutions.
Note that the tax on airtime is based on a percentage so do the month, if this value keeps dropping the government collects less and therefore has less funds to meet its expenditure obligations. What then happens is that they look for other avenues to cover the deficit such as increasing the price of fuel.
The airtime wars are not local they are global and we make a very small indentation on this organisations bottom line which makes this a playing ground and us pawns and unless our queen, bishops and rocks protect us we shall be left high and try.
Once Airtel realise that their forever tariff changes are not producing the expected results all they need to do is sell off to another multinational player who is then not bound by the forever tariff and can then come in and take over the market from a weakened competition, Strategy 101.
Yes, lower tariffs has a far reaching impact than many of us care to consider, that is why we pay our PS what we do so that he can consider such issues.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tue, 18 January, 2011 11:42:29 *Subject:* [kictanet] Are we letting the PS get away with this too?
I seriously hope that this http://bit.ly/famTA5 is just some fanatical reporting at Nation Media (would not be shocked) but if so, if these words came out of your mouth bwana PS,
THAT THE PRICE WARS IN THE MOBILE INDUSTRY MIGHT DERAIL THE NEW CONSTITUTION.
Are you for Real? Is that not cartel behaviour right there? So now what, are you going to "adjust" the lowest interconnection fees upwards to normalize all this? so that what? Safaricom can make more money?
Playing on the public with FUD now? what happened to market forces? who would run their company to a grind just to offer the cheapest? Revenue collection? how about we first spend PRUDENTLY what we collect? how about ALL of us pay taxes for starters? and why not just LOWER taxes and increase the tax bracket?
I have never been disappointed like i have on reading this.
If it looks like Impunity, Smells like Impunity , guess what it is....
-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”*
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
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I agree with the PS, the constitution might even be the list of the government funded projects to be directly affected by lower mobile tariffs because airtime like alcohol and fuel have a sin tax. The best way to tax a nation where 80% of the adults do not pay income tax is to collect at the point of consumption. KRA has enjoyed good tidings and continues to do so because of implementing a tax regime that is customised to the local environment, peculiar situations by peculiar people require peculiar solutions. Note that the tax on airtime is based on a percentage so do the month, if this value keeps dropping the government collects less and therefore has less funds to meet its expenditure obligations. What then happens is that they look for other avenues to cover the deficit such as increasing the price of fuel. The airtime wars are not local they are global and we make a very small indentation on this organisations bottom line which makes this a playing ground and us pawns and unless our queen, bishops and rocks protect us we shall be left high and try. Once Airtel realise that their forever tariff changes are not producing the expected results all they need to do is sell off to another multinational player who is then not bound by the forever tariff and can then come in and take over the market from a weakened competition, Strategy 101. Yes, lower tariffs has a far reaching impact than many of us care to consider, that is why we pay our PS what we do so that he can consider such issues. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 18 January, 2011 11:42:29 Subject: [kictanet] Are we letting the PS get away with this too? I seriously hope that this http://bit.ly/famTA5 is just some fanatical reporting at Nation Media (would not be shocked) but if so, if these words came out of your mouth bwana PS, THAT THE PRICE WARS IN THE MOBILE INDUSTRY MIGHT DERAIL THE NEW CONSTITUTION. Are you for Real? Is that not cartel behaviour right there? So now what, are you going to "adjust" the lowest interconnection fees upwards to normalize all this? so that what? Safaricom can make more money? Playing on the public with FUD now? what happened to market forces? who would run their company to a grind just to offer the cheapest? Revenue collection? how about we first spend PRUDENTLY what we collect? how about ALL of us pay taxes for starters? and why not just LOWER taxes and increase the tax bracket? I have never been disappointed like i have on reading this. If it looks like Impunity, Smells like Impunity , guess what it is....
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