Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Listers Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
Hi Ali, We are in support to the cause... let us know where you need some assistance. Thanks, Best Regards, Baiju *Baiju Shah** |*Managing Partner* |* Phone: +254 701691570 ** *|*Mobile: +254 787332247 *|* Skype: baijushah* |* Email: baiju@telemedia.co.ke* | * *Telemedia Africa Ltd* *. * The information contained within this e-mail and any attachments ("Email") may contain legally privileged, proprietary and confidential information intended solely for the recipients listed as addresses. If you are not an addressee, any review, dissemination, disclosure, copying, distribution, retention, communication, or use of the contents of this Email is strictly prohibited. If this Email is received in error, immediately notify the original sender by return email or telephone Telemedia Africa Ltd at +254 787332247, and delete this Email. Telemedia Africa warrants neither the accuracy nor the completeness of the information contained in this Email. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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Ali, It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from! And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal frameworks..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks. If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can. Just don't impose them onto the rest of us. On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not. Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA Listers Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from our ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to have a structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format does one present objections to the MPs since the bill has already been rushed there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even considering it? How come the CS has disowned it and yet it is still moving forward? W. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote:
Ali,
It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal frameworks..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can. Just don't impose them onto the rest of us.
On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Listers
Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
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not a lawyer but clearly public participation was lacking. putting an advert for one day is not public participation regards, Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, 8 Jul, 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from our ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to have a structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format does one present objections to the MPs since the bill has already been rushed there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even considering it? How come the CS has disowned it and yet it is still moving forward? W. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote:
Ali,
It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal frameworks..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can. Just don't impose them onto the rest of us.
On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Listers
Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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@Waudo, The industry has tackled the bill on multiple fronts. There have been memoranda from multiple sources to parliament in rejection of the bill in totality. Distinguished progressive Members of the National Assembly have also been contacted to fight for the interests of the community, and moreso the youth. All this effort culminated with the CS of ICT issuing the statement that went out on Wednesday. On that note, and to strengthen the process, it would be great if CSK approach it's lawyers, and members, and also submits a response to the Clerk of the National Assembly. Together we are stronger. Sincerely, ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh On 8 July 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from our ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to have a structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format does one present objections to the MPs since the bill has already been rushed there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even considering it? How come the CS has disowned it and yet it is still moving forward?
W.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote:
Ali,
It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal frameworks..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can. Just don't impose them onto the rest of us.
On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Listers
Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Another piece of absolute nonsense. Our ICT sector is too dynamic at present, compared with the other professions cited, which are settled and well established ...and are slow to change. The ICTAK is in favour of this because it promotes *their* agenda, which is not aligned with the profession as a whole - indeed, I suspect they are behind the bill's creation. Let's hope that CS Mucheru - who has stated that the bill is not ministry or government policy - will push for the rejection of the bill when it comes to a vote in the national assembly. Cheers, Tony On 08/07/2016, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Waudo,
The industry has tackled the bill on multiple fronts. There have been memoranda from multiple sources to parliament in rejection of the bill in totality. Distinguished progressive Members of the National Assembly have also been contacted to fight for the interests of the community, and moreso the youth. All this effort culminated with the CS of ICT issuing the statement that went out on Wednesday.
On that note, and to strengthen the process, it would be great if CSK approach it's lawyers, and members, and also submits a response to the Clerk of the National Assembly. Together we are stronger.
Sincerely,
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 8 July 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from our ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to have a structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format does one present objections to the MPs since the bill has already been rushed there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even considering it? How come the CS has disowned it and yet it is still moving forward?
W.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote:
Ali,
It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal frameworks..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can. Just don't impose them onto the rest of us.
On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Listers
Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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Who are the members of ICTAK? Has anyone managed to check on their website? On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Tony White via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Another piece of absolute nonsense. Our ICT sector is too dynamic at present, compared with the other professions cited, which are settled and well established ...and are slow to change. The ICTAK is in favour of this because it promotes *their* agenda, which is not aligned with the profession as a whole - indeed, I suspect they are behind the bill's creation.
Let's hope that CS Mucheru - who has stated that the bill is not ministry or government policy - will push for the rejection of the bill when it comes to a vote in the national assembly.
Cheers, Tony
@Waudo,
The industry has tackled the bill on multiple fronts. There have been memoranda from multiple sources to parliament in rejection of the bill in totality. Distinguished progressive Members of the National Assembly have also been contacted to fight for the interests of the community, and moreso the youth. All this effort culminated with the CS of ICT issuing the statement that went out on Wednesday.
On that note, and to strengthen the process, it would be great if CSK approach it's lawyers, and members, and also submits a response to the Clerk of the National Assembly. Together we are stronger.
Sincerely,
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 8 July 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from our ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to have a structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format does one present objections to the MPs since the bill has already been rushed there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even considering it? How come the CS has disowned it and yet it is still moving forward?
W.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote:
Ali,
It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal frameworks..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can. Just don't impose them onto the rest of us.
On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Listers
Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
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do
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+1 to Michuki and Kivuva. E -- Best Regards, *Ephraim Percy Kenyanito* Sub-Saharan Africa Policy Analyst/ Mchambuzi wa Sera Afrika Kusini ya Sahara Access Now | accessnow.org @ekenyanito PGP: E6BA8DC1 Fingerprint: B0FA394AF73DEB7AA1FDC7360CFED26DE6BA8DC1 *Subscribe *to the Access Now Express <https://www.accessnow.org/campaign/#sign-up>, our weekly newsletter on digital rights *Sign up* for our action alerts <https://www.accessnow.org/campaign/> On 8 July 2016 at 12:25, Liz Orembo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Who are the members of ICTAK? Has anyone managed to check on their website?
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Tony White via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Another piece of absolute nonsense. Our ICT sector is too dynamic at present, compared with the other professions cited, which are settled and well established ...and are slow to change. The ICTAK is in favour of this because it promotes *their* agenda, which is not aligned with the profession as a whole - indeed, I suspect they are behind the bill's creation.
Let's hope that CS Mucheru - who has stated that the bill is not ministry or government policy - will push for the rejection of the bill when it comes to a vote in the national assembly.
Cheers, Tony
@Waudo,
The industry has tackled the bill on multiple fronts. There have been memoranda from multiple sources to parliament in rejection of the bill in totality. Distinguished progressive Members of the National Assembly have also been contacted to fight for the interests of the community, and moreso the youth. All this effort culminated with the CS of ICT issuing the statement that went out on Wednesday.
On that note, and to strengthen the process, it would be great if CSK approach it's lawyers, and members, and also submits a response to the Clerk of the National Assembly. Together we are stronger.
Sincerely,
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 8 July 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from our ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to have a structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format does one present objections to the MPs since the bill has already been rushed there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even considering it? How come the CS has disowned it and yet it is still moving forward?
W.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote:
Ali,
It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal frameworks..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can. Just don't impose them onto the rest of us.
On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Listers
Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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On 08/07/2016, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: thinking platform
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The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
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Thanks Kivuva. Of course we just needed to show that we are doing something but in my view; the bill is a load of nonsense that will not succeed. I have been in this industry/profession for over 35 years having been in the first computer science class in Chiromo in 1980 so my views should be useful; it's just sad the whole thing was plotted as an ambush until as late a having it in Parliament -possibly after sensing that it would generate a lot of resistance. We are together and I'm pleased I have so far not seen anyone supporting the bill on this list. I hope it's not passed, but if it is, it will at best not work and at worst inconvenience a lot of people. W. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva wrote:
@Waudo,
The industry has tackled the bill on multiple fronts. There have been memoranda from multiple sources to parliament in rejection of the bill in totality. Distinguished progressive Members of the National Assembly have also been contacted to fight for the interests of the community, and moreso the youth. All this effort culminated with the CS of ICT issuing the statement that went out on Wednesday.
On that note, and to strengthen the process, it would be great if CSK approach it's lawyers, and members, and also submits a response to the Clerk of the National Assembly. Together we are stronger.
Sincerely,
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 8 July 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from our ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to have a structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format does one present objections to the MPs since the bill has already been rushed there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even considering it? How come the CS has disowned it and yet it is still moving forward?
W.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote:
Ali,
It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal frameworks..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can. Just don't impose them onto the rest of us.
On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Listers
Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
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Ali, et al, As we all know, by and large we use ICT products/services that are built on global technical standards. The ICT experts and users in Kenya and globally use, implement or create products and services that are built on these global technical standards. These technical standards are built on guiding principles, such as end-to-end interoperability, that ensure continued evolution and permissionless innovation. I find it disingenuous, for a non ICT-standards making body, to propose policy that defines who is a practitioner of a resource, that knows no boundaries and is designed to empower everyone to be creative and innovative. Based on this bill i ask the following; 1. Is the law subject to Kenyans only or it includes foreign experts working locally if yes to both the; What implications does this have on expatriates working in Kenya developing or implementing solutions and don't have the practitioners license ? 2. How does this affect multinational organizations that have setup bases in Kenya and wish to hire foreign experts to work here as implementers, developers, etc. 3. If the law is subject to Kenyans only I find it disingenuous for a non ICT-standards making body, to propose code of practice on globally developed ICT standards. - What of expatriates working at Huawei, IBM, etc offices locally. If this only applies to locals what message are we sending to the rest of the world ?. - Are they aware that there are many Kenyan ICT experts that practice outside the country - what implications or value will this license bring to them?. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal frameworks..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can. Just don't impose them onto the rest of us.
On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Listers
Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
[Resending as earlier message was sent accidentally] Ali, et al, As we all know, by and large we use ICT products/services that are built on global technical standards. The ICT experts and users in Kenya and globally use, implement or create products and services that are built on these global technical standards. These technical standards are built on guiding principles, such as end-to-end interoperability, that ensure continued evolution and permissionless innovation. I find it disingenuous, for a non ICT-standards making body, to propose policy that defines who is a practitioner of a resource, that knows no boundaries and is designed to empower everyone to be creative and innovative. Based on this proposed I have the following questions; 1. Is the law subject to Kenyans only or it includes foreign experts working locally if yes to both then; - What implications does this have on expatriates working in Kenya developing or implementing solutions and don't have the practitioners license ? - How does this affect multinational organizations that have setup bases in Kenya and wish to hire foreign experts to work here as implementers, developers, etc. 1.1 If it is subject to Kenyans only - what message does this send to other ICT practitioners globally ? 2. There are many Kenyans ICT practitioners plying their trade outside of the country. - What implications or value will the license have ? Just my immediate thoughts. Regards, Michuki. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali, et al,
As we all know, by and large we use ICT products/services that are built on global technical standards.
The ICT experts and users in Kenya and globally use, implement or create products and services that are built on these global technical standards. These technical standards are built on guiding principles, such as end-to-end interoperability, that ensure continued evolution and permissionless innovation.
I find it disingenuous, for a non ICT-standards making body, to propose policy that defines who is a practitioner of a resource, that knows no boundaries and is designed to empower everyone to be creative and innovative.
Based on this bill i ask the following;
1. Is the law subject to Kenyans only or it includes foreign experts working locally if yes to both the;
What implications does this have on expatriates working in Kenya developing or implementing solutions and don't have the practitioners license ?
2. How does this affect multinational organizations that have setup bases in Kenya and wish to hire foreign experts to work here as implementers, developers, etc.
3. If the law is subject to Kenyans only
I find it disingenuous for a non ICT-standards making body, to propose code of practice on globally developed ICT standards.
- What of expatriates working at Huawei, IBM, etc offices locally. If this only applies to locals what message are we sending to the rest of the world ?.
- Are they aware that there are many Kenyan ICT experts that practice outside the country - what implications or value will this license bring to them?.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal frameworks..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can. Just don't impose them onto the rest of us.
On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Listers
Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not let up on this.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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participants (10)
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Ali Hussein -
Baiju Shah -
Ephraim Percy Kenyanito -
Liz Orembo -
Michuki Mwangi -
Mwendwa Kivuva -
Tony White -
Waithaka Ngigi -
Watila Alex -
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