Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] Big Bang Replay
David et al., If I may ask you: *What is the significance of research? *Or more deeply: *What is the purpose of meaning?* I'll leave you to answer the latter question for yourselves. I'm a staunch advocate of research for the reason being most of mankind's greatest advancements wouldn't have seen the light of day if a certain man/woman hadn't taken the initiative to investigate better ways on how to execute certain/everyday tasks. Here are a few of them: - *Alexander Graham Bell & his invention of the telephone. [Communication] * - *Alexander Flemming & his discovery of penicillin. [Medicine]* - *Thomas Edison & his invention of the electric bulb. [Engineering?] * In the advancement of knowledge: - *Albert Einstein & his theory of relativity. [Physics] * - *Alfred Wegner & his theory of continental drift. [Geology, Geography]* - *Charles Darwin & his theory of evolution. [Biology] * - *Nicolaus Copernicus & his theory of heliocentric cosmology. [Astronomy] * Onto the subject of the experiments being conducted at the *Large Hadron Collider <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider>* situated at * CERN, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN>* their raison d'être is to scrutinize The Big Bang Theory. One of science's (& life's) greatest mysteries is the origin of everything (the universe, life itself etc). There are two schools of thought that try to illustrate this: Religion & Science. The former explains that the universe was created by a supreme being, God, at the beginning of time & took six days with our Heavenly Father resting on the seventh day. The latter explains that the universe was created in a cataclysmic explosion originating from the most infinitesimal particle of matter which has expanded (over the course of fifteen billion years & counting) to what we observe today through telescopes. Of course, these schools of thought have their respective weaknesses. Religion can't describe how God executed the creation process e.g. did he just snap his fingers when an idea came to mind or did he follow a procedure which culminated in an entity (star, planet, black hole etc)? Forgive me for offending/insulting my fellow Christians but what most of them don't understand is that the Bible is just a chronological series of events & not a biographical-like text. Picture this: the book of Genesis tells us the world was created in six days. How supremely confident are we that these are six *Earth days?* My quagmire is this: *Does time pass at the same rate between us & God?* My answer: *Time Dilation,* i.e. from the perspective of any observer within the same frame of reference & without reference to another frame of reference, time always passes at the same rate. *"According To The Evidence" * <http://www.legendarytimesbooks.com/product.php?productid=179> by Erich Von Daniken gives a good case of this. Science, on the other hand, explains how matter operates (from the atomic level) which answers questions as how the ozone layer is depleted, how the sun creates its energy that sustains life on Earth (though partly) etc though it can't explain who kick-started creation. My school of thought combines both religion & science to explain the origin of everything. My proposition is this: *Science explains how God created & Religion explains why God created.* God used science to create the universe & religion explains why we are here in the first place. Peter, understand why the physicists are conducting these experiments. They just want to find answers to questions that have plagued us since time immemorial. Whether or not they succeed, they'll definitely uncover knowledge that could be beneficial in our comprehension of the universe. Mike. *My blog: http://kipsang.wordpress.com/ * 2008/9/11 David Kago <kago@ultimate-security.net>
I have been watching the big bang experiment with interest and was amazed when they finally announced on the media that they have been able get the proton beam to go all the way into the supercooled (-273C) 27km tunnel. While this is a scientific and engineering marvel, the sums spent to set up the largest machine on earth together are stupendous, $10 billion is not your everyday lump of cash, that's kenya's 2008/2009 budget; all in the name of proving a theory... Of whose benefit will it be if they finally prove that antimatter and dark energy exists... what will quark gluon plasma and bosons mean to the everyday earthling. I believe science should be used for the betterment of the human race, not to prove a theory that is infinitely larger than us. I can see all those suffering masses in the third world who would have benefited greatly from such funds...
On a side note, the data produced in the experiment is being channeled through the other internet (the Grid). Who wouldnt want to download whole hard disks from halfway around the globe in a few seconds...!!!
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* -- "The computer programmer . . . is a creator of universes for which he alone is the lawgiver. . . . No playwright, no stage director, no emperor, however powerful, has ever exercised such absolute authority to arrange a stage or a field of battle and to command such unswervingly dutiful actors or troops." ~ Joseph Weizenbaum... --*
Mike, If you are to be a good physicist you have to stop believing in the hoax of a 'godly' being. Only then can you make plausible assumptions and use them to test a hypothesis. That experiment is not only about the big bang theory but more importantly the confirmation of the special theory of relativity. Keep hallucinations (beliefs in mortal/immortal beings) and observe either from existentialist or matter principle. The answers are staring you in the face. Just be a little bit innovative. Kind regards, David On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Mike Bullut <mike.bullut@gmail.com> wrote:
David et al.,
If I may ask you: What is the significance of research? Or more deeply: What is the purpose of meaning? I'll leave you to answer the latter question for yourselves. I'm a staunch advocate of research for the reason being most of mankind's greatest advancements wouldn't have seen the light of day if a certain man/woman hadn't taken the initiative to investigate better ways on how to execute certain/everyday tasks.
Here are a few of them:
Alexander Graham Bell & his invention of the telephone. [Communication] Alexander Flemming & his discovery of penicillin. [Medicine] Thomas Edison & his invention of the electric bulb. [Engineering?]
In the advancement of knowledge:
Albert Einstein & his theory of relativity. [Physics] Alfred Wegner & his theory of continental drift. [Geology, Geography] Charles Darwin & his theory of evolution. [Biology] Nicolaus Copernicus & his theory of heliocentric cosmology. [Astronomy]
Onto the subject of the experiments being conducted at the Large Hadron Collider situated at CERN, their raison d'être is to scrutinize The Big Bang Theory. One of science's (& life's) greatest mysteries is the origin of everything (the universe, life itself etc). There are two schools of thought that try to illustrate this: Religion & Science. The former explains that the universe was created by a supreme being, God, at the beginning of time & took six days with our Heavenly Father resting on the seventh day. The latter explains that the universe was created in a cataclysmic explosion originating from the most infinitesimal particle of matter which has expanded (over the course of fifteen billion years & counting) to what we observe today through telescopes. Of course, these schools of thought have their respective weaknesses. Religion can't describe how God executed the creation process e.g. did he just snap his fingers when an idea came to mind or did he follow a procedure which culminated in an entity (star, planet, black hole etc)? Forgive me for offending/insulting my fellow Christians but what most of them don't understand is that the Bible is just a chronological series of events & not a biographical-like text. Picture this: the book of Genesis tells us the world was created in six days. How supremely confident are we that these are six Earth days? My quagmire is this: Does time pass at the same rate between us & God? My answer: Time Dilation, i.e. from the perspective of any observer within the same frame of reference & without reference to another frame of reference, time always passes at the same rate. "According To The Evidence" by Erich Von Daniken gives a good case of this. Science, on the other hand, explains how matter operates (from the atomic level) which answers questions as how the ozone layer is depleted, how the sun creates its energy that sustains life on Earth (though partly) etc though it can't explain who kick-started creation. My school of thought combines both religion & science to explain the origin of everything. My proposition is this: Science explains how God created & Religion explains why God created. God used science to create the universe & religion explains why we are here in the first place. Peter, understand why the physicists are conducting these experiments. They just want to find answers to questions that have plagued us since time immemorial. Whether or not they succeed, they'll definitely uncover knowledge that could be beneficial in our comprehension of the universe.
Mike.
My blog: http://kipsang.wordpress.com/
2008/9/11 David Kago <kago@ultimate-security.net>
I have been watching the big bang experiment with interest and was amazed when they finally announced on the media that they have been able get the proton beam to go all the way into the supercooled (-273C) 27km tunnel. While this is a scientific and engineering marvel, the sums spent to set up the largest machine on earth together are stupendous, $10 billion is not your everyday lump of cash, that's kenya's 2008/2009 budget; all in the name of proving a theory... Of whose benefit will it be if they finally prove that antimatter and dark energy exists... what will quark gluon plasma and bosons mean to the everyday earthling. I believe science should be used for the betterment of the human race, not to prove a theory that is infinitely larger than us. I can see all those suffering masses in the third world who would have benefited greatly from such funds...
On a side note, the data produced in the experiment is being channeled through the other internet (the Grid). Who wouldnt want to download whole hard disks from halfway around the globe in a few seconds...!!! _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@my.co.ke http://ole.kenic.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Blog http://skunkworks-ke.blogspot.com Beta Blog http://blog.my.co.ke Get Skunkworks RSS Feeds: http://www.jahazi.com/rss/
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"The computer programmer . . . is a creator of universes for which he alone is the lawgiver. . . . No playwright, no stage director, no emperor, however powerful, has ever exercised such absolute authority to arrange a stage or a field of battle and to command such unswervingly dutiful actors or troops."
~ Joseph Weizenbaum...
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importantly the confirmation of the special theory of relativity.
Should be general relativity, which is the basis of current cosmological models of an expanding universe. On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:32 PM, David Otwoma <otwomad@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
If you are to be a good physicist you have to stop believing in the hoax of a 'godly' being. Only then can you make plausible assumptions and use them to test a hypothesis.
That experiment is not only about the big bang theory but more importantly the confirmation of the special theory of relativity.
Keep hallucinations (beliefs in mortal/immortal beings) and observe either from existentialist or matter principle. The answers are staring you in the face. Just be a little bit innovative.
Kind regards,
David
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Mike Bullut <mike.bullut@gmail.com> wrote:
David et al.,
If I may ask you: What is the significance of research? Or more deeply: What is the purpose of meaning? I'll leave you to answer the latter question for yourselves. I'm a staunch advocate of research for the reason being most of mankind's greatest advancements wouldn't have seen the light of day if a certain man/woman hadn't taken the initiative to investigate better ways on how to execute certain/everyday tasks.
Here are a few of them:
Alexander Graham Bell & his invention of the telephone. [Communication] Alexander Flemming & his discovery of penicillin. [Medicine] Thomas Edison & his invention of the electric bulb. [Engineering?]
In the advancement of knowledge:
Albert Einstein & his theory of relativity. [Physics] Alfred Wegner & his theory of continental drift. [Geology, Geography] Charles Darwin & his theory of evolution. [Biology] Nicolaus Copernicus & his theory of heliocentric cosmology. [Astronomy]
Onto the subject of the experiments being conducted at the Large Hadron Collider situated at CERN, their raison d'être is to scrutinize The Big Bang Theory. One of science's (& life's) greatest mysteries is the origin of everything (the universe, life itself etc). There are two schools of thought that try to illustrate this: Religion & Science. The former explains that the universe was created by a supreme being, God, at the beginning of time & took six days with our Heavenly Father resting on the seventh day. The latter explains that the universe was created in a cataclysmic explosion originating from the most infinitesimal particle of matter which has expanded (over the course of fifteen billion years & counting) to what we observe today through telescopes. Of course, these schools of thought have their respective weaknesses. Religion can't describe how God executed the creation process e.g. did he just snap his fingers when an idea came to mind or did he follow a procedure which culminated in an entity (star, planet, black hole etc)? Forgive me for offending/insulting my fellow Christians but what most of them don't understand is that the Bible is just a chronological series of events & not a biographical-like text. Picture this: the book of Genesis tells us the world was created in six days. How supremely confident are we that these are six Earth days? My quagmire is this: Does time pass at the same rate between us & God? My answer: Time Dilation, i.e. from the perspective of any observer within the same frame of reference & without reference to another frame of reference, time always passes at the same rate. "According To The Evidence" by Erich Von Daniken gives a good case of this. Science, on the other hand, explains how matter operates (from the atomic level) which answers questions as how the ozone layer is depleted, how the sun creates its energy that sustains life on Earth (though partly) etc though it can't explain who kick-started creation. My school of thought combines both religion & science to explain the origin of everything. My proposition is this: Science explains how God created & Religion explains why God created. God used science to create the universe & religion explains why we are here in the first place. Peter, understand why the physicists are conducting these experiments. They just want to find answers to questions that have plagued us since time immemorial. Whether or not they succeed, they'll definitely uncover knowledge that could be beneficial in our comprehension of the universe.
Mike.
My blog: http://kipsang.wordpress.com/
2008/9/11 David Kago <kago@ultimate-security.net>
I have been watching the big bang experiment with interest and was amazed when they finally announced on the media that they have been able get the proton beam to go all the way into the supercooled (-273C) 27km tunnel. While this is a scientific and engineering marvel, the sums spent to set up the largest machine on earth together are stupendous, $10 billion is not your everyday lump of cash, that's kenya's 2008/2009 budget; all in the name of proving a theory... Of whose benefit will it be if they finally prove that antimatter and dark energy exists... what will quark gluon plasma and bosons mean to the everyday earthling. I believe science should be used for the betterment of the human race, not to prove a theory that is infinitely larger than us. I can see all those suffering masses in the third world who would have benefited greatly from such funds...
On a side note, the data produced in the experiment is being channeled through the other internet (the Grid). Who wouldnt want to download whole hard disks from halfway around the globe in a few seconds...!!! _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@my.co.ke http://ole.kenic.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Blog http://skunkworks-ke.blogspot.com Beta Blog http://blog.my.co.ke Get Skunkworks RSS Feeds: http://www.jahazi.com/rss/
--
"The computer programmer . . . is a creator of universes for which he alone is the lawgiver. . . . No playwright, no stage director, no emperor, however powerful, has ever exercised such absolute authority to arrange a stage or a field of battle and to command such unswervingly dutiful actors or troops."
~ Joseph Weizenbaum...
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importantly the confirmation of the special theory of relativity.
Should be general relativity, which is the basis of current cosmological models of an expanding universe.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:32 PM, David Otwoma <otwomad@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
If you are to be a good physicist you have to stop believing in the hoax of a 'godly' being. Only then can you make plausible assumptions and use them to test a hypothesis.
That experiment is not only about the big bang theory but more importantly the confirmation of the special theory of relativity.
Keep hallucinations (beliefs in mortal/immortal beings) and observe either from existentialist or matter principle. The answers are staring you in the face. Just be a little bit innovative.
Kind regards,
David
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Mike Bullut <mike.bullut@gmail.com> wrote:
David et al.,
If I may ask you: What is the significance of research? Or more deeply: What is the purpose of meaning? I'll leave you to answer the latter question for yourselves. I'm a staunch advocate of research for the reason being most of mankind's greatest advancements wouldn't have seen the light of day if a certain man/woman hadn't taken the initiative to investigate better ways on how to execute certain/everyday tasks.
Here are a few of them:
Alexander Graham Bell & his invention of the telephone. [Communication] Alexander Flemming & his discovery of penicillin. [Medicine] Thomas Edison & his invention of the electric bulb. [Engineering?]
In the advancement of knowledge:
Albert Einstein & his theory of relativity. [Physics] Alfred Wegner & his theory of continental drift. [Geology, Geography] Charles Darwin & his theory of evolution. [Biology] Nicolaus Copernicus & his theory of heliocentric cosmology. [Astronomy]
Onto the subject of the experiments being conducted at the Large Hadron Collider situated at CERN, their raison d'être is to scrutinize The Big Bang Theory. One of science's (& life's) greatest mysteries is the origin of everything (the universe, life itself etc). There are two schools of thought that try to illustrate this: Religion & Science. The former explains that the universe was created by a supreme being, God, at the beginning of time & took six days with our Heavenly Father resting on the seventh day. The latter explains that the universe was created in a cataclysmic explosion originating from the most infinitesimal particle of matter which has expanded (over the course of fifteen billion years & counting) to what we observe today through telescopes. Of course, these schools of thought have their respective weaknesses. Religion can't describe how God executed the creation process e.g. did he just snap his fingers when an idea came to mind or did he follow a procedure which culminated in an entity (star, planet, black hole etc)? Forgive me for offending/insulting my fellow Christians but what most of them don't understand is that the Bible is just a chronological series of events & not a biographical-like text. Picture this: the book of Genesis tells us the world was created in six days. How supremely confident are we that these are six Earth days? My quagmire is this: Does time pass at the same rate between us & God? My answer: Time Dilation, i.e. from the perspective of any observer within the same frame of reference & without reference to another frame of reference, time always passes at the same rate. "According To The Evidence" by Erich Von Daniken gives a good case of this. Science, on the other hand, explains how matter operates (from the atomic level) which answers questions as how the ozone layer is depleted, how the sun creates its energy that sustains life on Earth (though partly) etc though it can't explain who kick-started creation. My school of thought combines both religion & science to explain the origin of everything. My proposition is this: Science explains how God created & Religion explains why God created. God used science to create the universe & religion explains why we are here in the first place. Peter, understand why the physicists are conducting these experiments. They just want to find answers to questions that have plagued us since time immemorial. Whether or not they succeed, they'll definitely uncover knowledge that could be beneficial in our comprehension of the universe.
Mike.
My blog: http://kipsang.wordpress.com/
2008/9/11 David Kago <kago@ultimate-security.net>
I have been watching the big bang experiment with interest and was amazed when they finally announced on the media that they have been able get the proton beam to go all the way into the supercooled (-273C) 27km tunnel. While this is a scientific and engineering marvel, the sums spent to set up the largest machine on earth together are stupendous, $10 billion is not your everyday lump of cash, that's kenya's 2008/2009 budget; all in the name of proving a theory... Of whose benefit will it be if they finally prove that antimatter and dark energy exists... what will quark gluon plasma and bosons mean to the everyday earthling. I believe science should be used for the betterment of the human race, not to prove a theory that is infinitely larger than us. I can see all those suffering masses in the third world who would have benefited greatly from such funds...
On a side note, the data produced in the experiment is being channeled through the other internet (the Grid). Who wouldnt want to download whole hard disks from halfway around the globe in a few seconds...!!! _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@my.co.ke http://ole.kenic.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Blog http://skunkworks-ke.blogspot.com Beta Blog http://blog.my.co.ke Get Skunkworks RSS Feeds: http://www.jahazi.com/rss/
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"The computer programmer . . . is a creator of universes for which he alone is the lawgiver. . . . No playwright, no stage director, no emperor, however powerful, has ever exercised such absolute authority to arrange a stage or a field of battle and to command such unswervingly dutiful actors or troops."
~ Joseph Weizenbaum...
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Mike Bullut <mike.bullut@gmail.com> wrote:
David et al.,
If I may ask you: What is the significance of research? Or more deeply: What is the purpose of meaning? I'll leave you to answer the latter question for yourselves. I'm a staunch advocate of research for the reason being most of mankind's greatest advancements wouldn't have seen the light of day if a certain man/woman hadn't taken the initiative to investigate better ways on how to execute certain/everyday tasks.
Furthermore, "It's New World Record for Wireless Optical Transmission" Italian and Japanese scientists have demonstrated a laser based wireless communications system which has achieved a record transmission of 1.28 Terabit/s (or 1280 Gigabit/s) in a free air link between two transceivers installed on the roof of the CEIIC building and on the roof of the Building A at the Italian National Research Council around 210 meters away. what would... <http://www.cellular-news.com/story/33614.php> This thread enlightens on the value we hold for knowledge? Some examples: Doctor friends have told me of "bill sneaky" parents who ambush them at social events (weddings, etc) calling their unwell child(ren) casually asking for "advice" on what medicine they should buy for their child? Lawyers at pubs bought a bottle or two and a few questions poping up to Bwana Wakili... "supposing this happened .. what would..supposedly, hypothetical, litigant do?", prospective builder land owners asking just for "sketch drafts" of building from architects (only for them to go ahead and construct the building without architects). Software developers know many clients complaining "they only inserted a small thing (flash) on their computers for a few minutes and now they are demanding *a lot* of money!!! As we stride into the "knowledge economy" perhaps we should appreciate more the value of knowledge (and costs investment therein) and also protect ours from knowledge thieves...If we do not, more of "Address Africa's lost knowledge" will continue <http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9922&Itemid=5848
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