Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3)
Friends This is to wish you the very best of 2012. Kictanet has been a good source of information, ideas and exchange of those ideas in 2011. I hope that will be the case. I hope that we can make the best of those ideas in the interest of the nation, Kenya and the businesses associated with participants. Dr Ndemo raised an issue on Diaspora academics and professionals. Some of his observations are right: it is easy to cheer or jeer from a distance. We see it in soccer matches where some (as someone put it) some of the best players are on the spectator benches. That said, though, this matter cannot be generalized. We have many, many accomplished academics and professionals that choose to make the Diaspora their home; some do it by choice others by circumstance. I once listened to professor Mazrui on how he ended up on the United States, recognized as an authority in his space (globally) and yet no institution in Kenya wanted to welcome him. By the time Kibaki came along in 2002, he had been too long gone and entrenched in his space to be simply transplanted. We have many Kenyans in the Diaspora like those: they moved out when times were bad, are well-established and cannot simply come back. There are other examples that make people stay away from Kenya. A friend I know came home but could not even be short listed for an interview, despite his PhD and a number of published works. His luck came through a friend he met at a pub, someone who knew one of the VCs; an appointment with the VC then led to an interview and a job. He later told me that the department was dominated by some ethnic group and the reason he was kept out for such a long time. Another one I know supervised grad students meticulous only to become a target of his colleagues, eti he was making them look bad: completing paper reviews in timely manner, and having students get their degrees in reasonable time. His recourse: join a research outfit and leave out the politics of academia! I was recently in the UoN Senior Common Room with a friend; and it is amazing how our ivory tower reflects the ethnic cleavages in the country. Since I wasn't in the company of fellow Kisiis to the place, I ended at a table that appeared colourless with sober conversation and none of the ethnic passionate obsessions. For people that have established positions where they are in the Diaspora, it would be hard to adapt to such an environment. I once visited a friend at his post at the UoN and talked about his routine, much of which was composed of driving across campuses, offering the same course across different institutions for no one job paid enough; the man literary lived on the road! He used the same notes from year to year; and research? What language is that again? He kept talking about his former position back in the USA and how progressive the institution was, requiring ranking in teaching and research; and having time to attend conferences/seminars and the like plus supervise graduate students with interesting study topics. Yet here he was in a system of persistent struggle, spinning wheels to meet basic needs. Yet quacks that had connections with corruption rings were the limelight and mwananchi and authorities seemed to love it. There is more. GoK and other companies can pay experts as much as $3K/day; so called experts then staff work with junior consultants (to cut costs and make a profit) ending with dubious deliverables! If a Kenyan (whether in the Diaspora or in Kenya) asked for even $1K a day, which in some cases is less than what they are qualified to get, some people think it is charity! And the cost of doing business in Kenya? Speak not. I personally have a lot of respect for those that choose to settle back home; I salute their patriotism and commitment. I would NOT besmirch those that choose to leave for quiet peace somewhere else, where they can achieve their life goals. I just think that patriotism alone would not make people come home. Lack of patriotism is NOT the recluse of those that leave; we have a lot of people doing very unpatriotic things in Kenya like stealing from public coffers, taking short cuts in public services (pot holes anyone?), committing crime, selling drugs to our youth, doing inhuman demolitions, etc. But Diasporans can also bring different perspectives if we engage them appropriately; and in my view, we should be working towards collaborative models to allows for knowledge exchange and sharing of experiences. And this can be done both in the private and public sector. And there are many academic institutions keen on such collaboration; we just need to nurture these. If we truly want to develop Kenya we need to create an environment where ideas "germinate", get "watered" and result in true harvest in terms of products and service and hence economic development. An environment in which Kenyans can prosper on merit and fair play; an environment of ethics and values. Back in the 80s/90s GoK was a major bottleneck for people wanting to go overseas, what with the frustrating clearance process for those in public service and trying process in the issuance of passports. Today, we celebrate Diaspora remittances! What if, in hindsight, Moi and co had left the floodgates open for people to disperse across the world? We could probably be reaping several times more in remittances than we are doing presently. In a nutshell, we are better off with our people dispersed across the globe; they link us to networks in places they live and allow for knowledge flow and exchange that can benefit our country. The role of Indian and Chinese Diasporas in those countries’ economic development is well known; it is the reason I would like more of our people across the world. The Indian government has a special ID for people of Indian origin across the world; the ID, while not conferring citizenship, acts like a permanent visa for into India for holders. As the Indian ambassador to the US said at our recent Kenyan Diaspora conference in the USA, this card has spurred Indian tourism to a degree they hadn't imagined before. Happy New Year. Matunda Nyanchama ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! 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Dakitari, Happy New Year. Thank you for articulating the reasons why you need to come home. If you came home and acted appropriately, you will change many sauls. What I refuse to accept is the giving of conditions of return to your motherland. India changed with the return of its professionals and academics. They came and introduced to their people a new culture that was acceptable to much of the world. They brought new value systems and work ethics. Although corruption still lingers there, their impact has greatly changed India. I did not say that you all back up and come. You can even do more by contributing positively. In a way just like a parent you need to mentor and walk through with us in both bad and good times. Let me illustrate a little. My kids are now teenagers and I caught myself being critical to practically everything they say or do. My fifteen year old daughter walked out of her room with something called a hipstar (a low cut trouser). She perfectly thought she was dressed when I thought it was immoral and not acceptable. My seventeen year old wants his trousers to sag (leave his buttocks naked). Although I have seen other children wearing these obscene clothing I thought of these kids as un cultured. I have changed strategy to see the world through their eyes but stuck with my conservativeness. Amazingly we now talk and they sort of see my point too (sometimes) and I think I succeeded in stopping my son from having a tatoo. Our diaspora academics see their motherland through the prizm of their adopted nations. They want change. They want someone to make the change. This where I differ. Take Prof. Makau for example, he seems to know what we need in a leader but cannot offer his leadership. It will greatly help if he sacrificed his salarly to become Governor for example. It will help us avoid failure in the political and social experimentation that we are about to start. Yes as a developing country the salaries are poor. To meet the western standards you will teach several other institutions to barely meet your needs. I lived through this. Teaching in practically every institution in Nairobi. Indeed I did not get a job when I came home. For a full year I sold vegetables but this was the best experience that I ever had. I made more money selling vegeis than I have made in any job. This is because the entrepreneurial opportunities are just too many in our inefficient market. There were frustrations like licensing and lack of export space but with patience most of this things work and make great changes to many lives. Remittances are key to stabilizing our currency but we should never hope to develop our country this way. I said our economy can grow at a rate of 20% if we dealt with the inefficiencies we have. Diapora resources are largely for consumption and non performing investments (building mansion in rural areas that only rats live in). We need Dr. Matunda to come up with innovative venture capital to take advantage of our ICT developments here. We must move from criticism to doing something in your motherland. There are no angels somewhere that can bring change. By the way Americans sacrificed their lives to make it what it is today. To succeed from the diaspora, allow yourself to grow through the rungs. Every diaspora visiting home wants to go direct for Presidency. It is a good dream but you need to show why we should elect you. Let us build beautiful Kenya together, leverage on what our brothers and sisters have learnt elsewhere and parent our country through the eyes of its people. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:27:55 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Madakitari Ndemo/Walubengo I said that we cannot generalize; each person's case is different. As for critics, I love them for they act as a reflection on what we do; sometimes, things are much clearer from spectator benches than in the muddle of the playground. Critics have their place. And just because they cannot do, doesn't mean they forsake their right to speak. My view is that we should tackle the issues they raise because not all talkers are doers; yet doers can learn a lot from talkers. And no; the view of things is not simply via the lens of adopted country experiences; we are creatures of collective experience. It is the reason Prof Makau sees Akamba vote versus Kukuyu versus Luo versus ..., Kenyan thing. In fact in some cases you would think he never left Kenya. I wish he talked more of class, the gap between the haves and have nots and how to address those. Also, there is nothing wrong to go for presidency for any Kenyan, in or outside the country. Actually a person from the Diaspora could really be the person Kenya needs in that they are much more removed from the mess, less entangled with political IOUs and could perhaps be more objectives than the corrupt political cartels that run the nation today. Yours truly could be in such a race for change; and true change for that matter. Jesus took a long walk in the desert (40 days + 40 nights) and came home; and indeed changed the world! Happy New Year ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation…" - Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you. ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) Dakitari, Happy New Year. Thank you for articulating the reasons why you need to come home. If you came home and acted appropriately, you will change many sauls. What I refuse to accept is the giving of conditions of return to your motherland. India changed with the return of its professionals and academics. They came and introduced to their people a new culture that was acceptable to much of the world. They brought new value systems and work ethics. Although corruption still lingers there, their impact has greatly changed India. I did not say that you all back up and come. You can even do more by contributing positively. In a way just like a parent you need to mentor and walk through with us in both bad and good times. Let me illustrate a little. My kids are now teenagers and I caught myself being critical to practically everything they say or do. My fifteen year old daughter walked out of her room with something called a hipstar (a low cut trouser). She perfectly thought she was dressed when I thought it was immoral and not acceptable. My seventeen year old wants his trousers to sag (leave his buttocks naked). Although I have seen other children wearing these obscene clothing I thought of these kids as un cultured. I have changed strategy to see the world through their eyes but stuck with my conservativeness. Amazingly we now talk and they sort of see my point too (sometimes) and I think I succeeded in stopping my son from having a tatoo. Our diaspora academics see their motherland through the prizm of their adopted nations. They want change. They want someone to make the change. This where I differ. Take Prof. Makau for example, he seems to know what we need in a leader but cannot offer his leadership. It will greatly help if he sacrificed his salarly to become Governor for example. It will help us avoid failure in the political and social experimentation that we are about to start. Yes as a developing country the salaries are poor. To meet the western standards you will teach several other institutions to barely meet your needs. I lived through this. Teaching in practically every institution in Nairobi. Indeed I did not get a job when I came home. For a full year I sold vegetables but this was the best experience that I ever had. I made more money selling vegeis than I have made in any job. This is because the entrepreneurial opportunities are just too many in our inefficient market. There were frustrations like licensing and lack of export space but with patience most of this things work and make great changes to many lives. Remittances are key to stabilizing our currency but we should never hope to develop our country this way. I said our economy can grow at a rate of 20% if we dealt with the inefficiencies we have. Diapora resources are largely for consumption and non performing investments (building mansion in rural areas that only rats live in). We need Dr. Matunda to come up with innovative venture capital to take advantage of our ICT developments here. We must move from criticism to doing something in your motherland. There are no angels somewhere that can bring change. By the way Americans sacrificed their lives to make it what it is today. To succeed from the diaspora, allow yourself to grow through the rungs. Every diaspora visiting home wants to go direct for Presidency. It is a good dream but you need to show why we should elect you. Let us build beautiful Kenya together, leverage on what our brothers and sisters have learnt elsewhere and parent our country through the eyes of its people. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:27:55 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dr. Nyanchama, Using the language of the youth - I agree and totally feel you ;-) But as articulated in Dr. Ndemo's rejoinder, you have to be part of the solution. You cannot sit 1,000 miles away and hope someone else will clean up the mess and make your motherland worth coming back to. walu. --- On Sun, 1/1/12, Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote: From: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Subject: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, January 1, 2012, 2:27 AM Friends This is to wish you the very best of 2012. Kictanet has been a good source of information, ideas and exchange of those ideas in 2011. I hope that will be the case. I hope that we can make the best of those ideas in the interest of the nation, Kenya and the businesses associated with participants. Dr Ndemo raised an issue on Diaspora academics and professionals. Some of his observations are right: it is easy to cheer or jeer from a distance. We see it in soccer matches where some (as someone put it) some of the best players are on the spectator benches. That said, though, this matter cannot be generalized. We have many, many accomplished academics and professionals that choose to make the Diaspora their home; some do it by choice others by circumstance. I once listened to professor Mazrui on how he ended up on the United States, recognized as an authority in his space (globally) and yet no institution in Kenya wanted to welcome him. By the time Kibaki came along in 2002, he had been too long gone and entrenched in his space to be simply transplanted. We have many Kenyans in the Diaspora like those: they moved out when times were bad, are well-established and cannot simply come back. There are other examples that make people stay away from Kenya. A friend I know came home but could not even be short listed for an interview, despite his PhD and a number of published works. His luck came through a friend he met at a pub, someone who knew one of the VCs; an appointment with the VC then led to an interview and a job. He later told me that the department was dominated by some ethnic group and the reason he was kept out for such a long time. Another one I know supervised grad students meticulous only to become a target of his colleagues, eti he was making them look bad: completing paper reviews in timely manner, and having students get their degrees in reasonable time. His recourse: join a research outfit and leave out the politics of academia! I was recently in the UoN Senior Common Room with a friend; and it is amazing how our ivory tower reflects the ethnic cleavages in the country. Since I wasn't in the company of fellow Kisiis to the place, I ended at a table that appeared colourless with sober conversation and none of the ethnic passionate obsessions. For people that have established positions where they are in the Diaspora, it would be hard to adapt to such an environment. I once visited a friend at his post at the UoN and talked about his routine, much of which was composed of driving across campuses, offering the same course across different institutions for no one job paid enough; the man literary lived on the road! He used the same notes from year to year; and research? What language is that again? He kept talking about his former position back in the USA and how progressive the institution was, requiring ranking in teaching and research; and having time to attend conferences/seminars and the like plus supervise graduate students with interesting study topics. Yet here he was in a system of persistent struggle, spinning wheels to meet basic needs. Yet quacks that had connections with corruption rings were the limelight and mwananchi and authorities seemed to love it. There is more. GoK and other companies can pay experts as much as $3K/day; so called experts then staff work with junior consultants (to cut costs and make a profit) ending with dubious deliverables! If a Kenyan (whether in the Diaspora or in Kenya) asked for even $1K a day, which in some cases is less than what they are qualified to get, some people think it is charity! And the cost of doing business in Kenya? Speak not. I personally have a lot of respect for those that choose to settle back home; I salute their patriotism and commitment. I would NOT besmirch those that choose to leave for quiet peace somewhere else, where they can achieve their life goals. I just think that patriotism alone would not make people come home. Lack of patriotism is NOT the recluse of those that leave; we have a lot of people doing very unpatriotic things in Kenya like stealing from public coffers, taking short cuts in public services (pot holes anyone?), committing crime, selling drugs to our youth, doing inhuman demolitions, etc. But Diasporans can also bring different perspectives if we engage them appropriately; and in my view, we should be working towards collaborative models to allows for knowledge exchange and sharing of experiences. And this can be done both in the private and public sector. And there are many academic institutions keen on such collaboration; we just need to nurture these. If we truly want to develop Kenya we need to create an environment where ideas "germinate", get "watered" and result in true harvest in terms of products and service and hence economic development. An environment in which Kenyans can prosper on merit and fair play; an environment of ethics and values. Back in the 80s/90s GoK was a major bottleneck for people wanting to go overseas, what with the frustrating clearance process for those in public service and trying process in the issuance of passports. Today, we celebrate Diaspora remittances! What if, in hindsight, Moi and co had left the floodgates open for people to disperse across the world? We could probably be reaping several times more in remittances than we are doing presently. In a nutshell, we are better off with our people dispersed across the globe; they link us to networks in places they live and allow for knowledge flow and exchange that can benefit our country. The role of Indian and Chinese Diasporas in those countries’ economic development is well known; it is the reason I would like more of our people across the world. The Indian government has a special ID for people of Indian origin across the world; the ID, while not conferring citizenship, acts like a permanent visa for into India for holders. As the Indian ambassador to the US said at our recent Kenyan Diaspora conference in the USA, this card has spurred Indian tourism to a degree they hadn't imagined before. Happy New Year. Matunda Nyanchama ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! 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From: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Subject: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, January 1, 2012, 2:27 AM
Friends
This is to wish you the very best of 2012.
Kictanet has been a good source of information, ideas and exchange of those ideas in 2011. I hope that will be
Dakitari Many of us have been part of the solution to date, working on many fronts - technical or otherwise. Just check the history of the coming of the Internet in Kenya, the change constitution process where we have been active and more! And we shall continue to do the same and that which we can, including seeking political power to make the change we dream of . Happy New Year. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation…" - Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you. ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) Dr. Nyanchama, Using the language of the youth - I agree and totally feel you ;-) But as articulated in Dr. Ndemo's rejoinder, you have to be part of the solution. You cannot sit 1,000 miles away and hope someone else will clean up the mess and make your motherland worth coming back to. walu. --- On Sun, 1/1/12, Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote: the case. I hope that we can make the best of those ideas in the interest of the nation, Kenya and the businesses associated with participants.
Dr Ndemo raised an issue on
Diaspora academics and professionals. Some of his observations are right: it is easy to cheer or jeer from a distance. We see it in soccer matches where some (as someone put it) some of the best players are on the spectator benches.
That said, though, this matter
cannot be generalized. We have many, many accomplished academics and professionals that choose to make the Diaspora their home; some do it by choice others by circumstance. I once listened to professor Mazrui on how he ended up on the United States, recognized as an authority in his space (globally) and yet no institution in Kenya wanted to welcome him. By the time Kibaki came along in 2002, he had been too long gone and entrenched in his space to be simply transplanted.
We have many Kenyans in the
Diaspora like those: they moved out when times were bad, are well-established and cannot simply come back.
There are other examples that
Another one I know supervised grad students meticulous only to become a target of his colleagues, eti he was making them look bad: completing paper reviews in timely manner, and having students get their degrees in reasonable time. His recourse: join a research outfit and leave out the politics of academia! I was recently in the UoN Senior Common Room with a friend; and it is amazing how our ivory tower reflects the ethnic cleavages in the country. Since I wasn't in the company of fellow Kisiis to the place, I ended at a table that appeared colourless with sober conversation and none of the ethnic passionate obsessions. For people that have established positions where they are in the Diaspora, it would be hard to adapt to such an environment. I once visited a friend at his post at the UoN and talked about his routine, much of which was composed of driving across campuses, offering the same course across different institutions for no one job paid enough; the man literary lived on the road! He used the same notes from year to year; and research? What language is that again? He kept talking about his former position back in the USA and how progressive the institution was, requiring ranking in teaching and research; and having time to attend conferences/seminars and the like plus supervise graduate students with interesting study topics. Yet here he was in a system of persistent struggle, spinning wheels to meet basic needs. Yet quacks that had connections with corruption rings were the limelight and mwananchi and authorities seemed to love it.
There is more.
GoK and other companies can pay experts as much as $3K/day; so called experts
make people stay away from Kenya. A friend I know came home but could not even be short listed for an interview, despite his PhD and a number of published works. His luck came through a friend he met at a pub, someone who knew one of the VCs; an appointment with the VC then led to an interview and a job. He later told me that the department was dominated by some ethnic group and the reason he was kept out for such a long time. then staff work with junior consultants (to cut costs and make a profit) ending with dubious deliverables! If a Kenyan (whether in the Diaspora or in Kenya) asked for even $1K a day, which in some cases is less than what they are qualified to get, some people think it is charity!
And the cost of doing business in Kenya? Speak not.
I personally have a lot of respect for those that choose to settle back home; I
salute their patriotism and commitment. I would NOT besmirch those that choose to leave for quiet peace somewhere else, where they can achieve their life goals. I just think that patriotism alone would not make people come home. Lack of patriotism is NOT the recluse of those that leave; we have a lot of people doing very unpatriotic things in Kenya like stealing from public coffers, taking short cuts in public services (pot holes anyone?), committing crime, selling drugs to our youth, doing inhuman demolitions, etc.
But Diasporans can also bring different perspectives if we engage them
appropriately; and in my view, we should be working towards collaborative models to allows for knowledge exchange and sharing of experiences. And this can be done both in the private and public sector. And there are many academic institutions keen on such collaboration; we just need to nurture these.
If we truly want to develop Kenya we need to create an environment where ideas
"germinate", get "watered" and result in true harvest in terms of products and service and hence economic development. An environment in which Kenyans can prosper on merit and fair play; an environment of ethics and values.
Back in the 80s/90s GoK was a major bottleneck for people wanting to go
overseas, what with the frustrating clearance process for those in public service and trying process in the issuance of passports. Today, we celebrate Diaspora remittances! What if, in hindsight, Moi and co had left the floodgates open for people to disperse across the world? We could probably be reaping several times more in remittances than we are doing presently.
In a nutshell, we are better off with our people dispersed across the globe;
they link us to networks in places they live and allow for knowledge flow and exchange that can benefit our country.
The role of Indian and Chinese Diasporas in those countries’ economic
development is well known; it is the reason I would like more of our people across the world. The Indian government has a special ID for people of Indian origin across the world; the ID, while not conferring citizenship, acts like a permanent visa for into India for holders. As the Indian ambassador to the US said at our recent Kenyan Diaspora conference in the USA, this card has spurred Indian tourism to a degree they hadn't imagined before.
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Good to know Dr. Nyanchama that u are and have been part of the solution. Meanwhile, Happy new year Everybody!. from "yet-to-be" Dr. Walu ;-) --- On Sun, 1/1/12, Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote: From: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, January 1, 2012, 11:01 AM Dakitari Many of us have been part of the solution to date, working on many fronts - technical or otherwise. Just check the history of the coming of the Internet in Kenya, the change constitution process where we have been active and more! And we shall continue to do the same and that which we can, including seeking political power to make the change we dream of . Happy New Year. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------#yiv258094140 filtered {font-family:"Book Antiqua";}#yiv258094140 p.yiv258094140MsoNormal, #yiv258094140 li.yiv258094140MsoNormal, #yiv258094140 div.yiv258094140MsoNormal {margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua";}#yiv258094140 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";}#yiv258094140 filtered {margin:1in 1.25in;}#yiv258094140 div.yiv258094140Section1 {} "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation…" - Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you. From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) Dr. Nyanchama, Using the language of the youth - I agree and totally feel you ;-) But as articulated in Dr. Ndemo's rejoinder, you have to be part of the solution. You cannot sit 1,000 miles away and hope someone else will clean up the mess and make your motherland worth coming back to. walu. --- On Sun, 1/1/12, Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote: From: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Subject: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, January 1, 2012, 2:27 AM Friends This is to wish you the very best of 2012. Kictanet has been a good source of information, ideas and exchange of those ideas in 2011. I hope that will be the case. I hope that we can make the best of those ideas in the interest of the nation, Kenya and the businesses associated with participants. Dr Ndemo raised an issue on Diaspora academics and professionals. Some of his observations are right: it is easy to cheer or jeer from a distance. We see it in soccer matches where some (as someone put it) some of the best players are on the spectator benches. That said, though, this matter cannot be generalized. We have many, many accomplished academics and professionals that choose to make the Diaspora their home; some do it by choice others by circumstance. I once listened to professor Mazrui on how he ended up on the United States, recognized as an authority in his space (globally) and yet no institution in Kenya wanted to welcome him. By the time Kibaki came along in 2002, he had been too long gone and entrenched in his space to be simply transplanted. We have many Kenyans in the Diaspora like those: they moved out when times were bad, are well-established and cannot simply come back. There are other examples that make people stay away from Kenya. A friend I know came home but could not even be short listed for an interview, despite his PhD and a number of published works. His luck came through a friend he met at a pub, someone who knew one of the VCs; an appointment with the VC then led to an interview and a job. He later told me that the department was dominated by some ethnic group and the reason he was kept out for such a long time. Another one I know supervised grad students meticulous only to become a target of his colleagues, eti he was making them look bad: completing paper reviews in timely manner, and having students get their degrees in reasonable time. His recourse: join a research outfit and leave out the politics of academia! I was recently in the UoN Senior Common Room with a friend; and it is amazing how our ivory tower reflects the ethnic cleavages in the country. Since I wasn't in the company of fellow Kisiis to the place, I ended at a table that appeared colourless with sober conversation and none of the ethnic passionate obsessions. For people that have established positions where they are in the Diaspora, it would be hard to adapt to such an environment. I once visited a friend at his post at the UoN and talked about his routine, much of which was composed of driving across campuses, offering the same course across different institutions for no one job paid enough; the man literary lived on the road! He used the same notes from year to year; and research? What language is that again? He kept talking about his former position back in the USA and how progressive the institution was, requiring ranking in teaching and research; and having time to attend conferences/seminars and the like plus supervise graduate students with interesting study topics. Yet here he was in a system of persistent struggle, spinning wheels to meet basic needs. Yet quacks that had connections with corruption rings were the limelight and mwananchi and authorities seemed to love it. There is more. GoK and other companies can pay experts as much as $3K/day; so called experts then staff work with junior consultants (to cut costs and make a profit) ending with dubious deliverables! If a Kenyan (whether in the Diaspora or in Kenya) asked for even $1K a day, which in some cases is less than what they are qualified to get, some people think it is charity! And the cost of doing business in Kenya? Speak not. I personally have a lot of respect for those that choose to settle back home; I salute their patriotism and commitment. I would NOT besmirch those that choose to leave for quiet peace somewhere else, where they can achieve their life goals. I just think that patriotism alone would not make people come home. Lack of patriotism is NOT the recluse of those that leave; we have a lot of people doing very unpatriotic things in Kenya like stealing from public coffers, taking short cuts in public services (pot holes anyone?), committing crime, selling drugs to our youth, doing inhuman demolitions, etc. But Diasporans can also bring different perspectives if we engage them appropriately; and in my view, we should be working towards collaborative models to allows for knowledge exchange and sharing of experiences. And this can be done both in the private and public sector. And there are many academic institutions keen on such collaboration; we just need to nurture these. If we truly want to develop Kenya we need to create an environment where ideas "germinate", get "watered" and result in true harvest in terms of products and service and hence economic development. An environment in which Kenyans can prosper on merit and fair play; an environment of ethics and values. Back in the 80s/90s GoK was a major bottleneck for people wanting to go overseas, what with the frustrating clearance process for those in public service and trying process in the issuance of passports. Today, we celebrate Diaspora remittances! What if, in hindsight, Moi and co had left the floodgates open for people to disperse across the world? We could probably be reaping several times more in remittances than we are doing presently. In a nutshell, we are better off with our people dispersed across the globe; they link us to networks in places they live and allow for knowledge flow and exchange that can benefit our country. The role of Indian and Chinese Diasporas in those countries’ economic development is well known; it is the reason I would like more of our people across the world. The Indian government has a special ID for people of Indian origin across the world; the ID, while not conferring citizenship, acts like a permanent visa for into India for holders. As the Indian ambassador to the US said at our recent Kenyan Diaspora conference in the USA, this card has spurred Indian tourism to a degree they hadn't imagined before. Happy New Year. Matunda Nyanchama ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------#yiv258094140 filtered {font-family:"Book Antiqua";}#yiv258094140 p.yiv258094140MsoNormal, #yiv258094140 li.yiv258094140MsoNormal, #yiv258094140 div.yiv258094140MsoNormal {margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua";}#yiv258094140 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";}#yiv258094140 filtered {margin:1in 1.25in;}#yiv258094140 div.yiv258094140Section1 {} "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation…" - Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). 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Walubengo, Since you started this Happy business, allow me to also wish everybody a prosperous 2012. I made a stop over here in Dubai but it has been a mountain of experience for me. I do not know where to start but it must have taken a fortune for the people here to express happiness the way they did last night in wellcoming the New Year. The U.S Declaration of Independence declares that all men have a right to "the pursuit of happiness". At least the Americans have lived up to this dream. That is why Russians say "a person who smiles a lot is either a fool or an American". The History of Happiness is more than 300 years and mostly more of a Western concept and paticularly American. The Harvard Business Review (HBR) reports that in the 18th century there were measurable advances in human comfort for the middle classes and above, ranging from better home heating to the availability of umbrellas to provide shelter from the rain. But even with these advances, the British traditionalists objected to the latter as undermining national character. New research show a high correlation between performance and happiness. Sonja Lyubomirsky, Laura King and Ed Diener found that happy employees have, on average, 31% higher productivity; their sales are 37% higher and their creativity is three times higher. Other studies have similar findings on a country's economic performance. The discourse on the measure of National Well Being (NWB) through happiness is gaining momentum. This thinking started in the 18th century. According to HBR, an Englishman, Jeremy Bentham in 1781 outlined a philosophy of utility that assessed the merits of an action according to how much happiness it produced. This was during the Enlightenment period, when thinkers sought to replace religion-based rules with National, scientific guides to decision making and life. Unfortunately or fortunately welfare economists, Paul Samuelson and Richard Stone without regard to utility, disparaged Bentham's thinking and came up with what we refer today as GDP and GNP. Top countries by income today are: Qater, Liechtenstein, UAE, S'pore, Luxenboug, Kuwait, Brunei etc. These countries do not feature highly on National Happiness index. So the spectacular outward expression of happiness in Dubai did not mean that everybody was happy. However, Shawn Achor has argued that people who cultivate a positive mind-set perform better in the face of challenge. He calls this "hapiness advantage" - every business outcome shows improvement when the brain is positive. My mentor who died in the U.S was not religious but he was very spiritual. Before his death he had asked me to do a Church service for him. While a live, we made that arrangement with Presbyterian pastor from his neighbourhood. He used to say "I do not want to give too many instruction from the grave but I need you people to be happy for I shall be happy with re-unions of my loved ones". At the funeral, there were tears but it was the most beautiful funeral that I have ever attended in happiness. This is generally the American way that has dimistified some of man kind's worst fears. Let us all be happy and pursue happiness as our right. Regards. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:29:06 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Walubengo, Since you started this Happy business, allow me to also wish everybody a prosperous 2012. I made a stop over here in Dubai but it has been a mountain of experience for me. I do not know where to start but it must have taken a fortune for the people here to express happiness the way they did last night in wellcoming the New Year. The U.S Declaration of Independence declares that all men have a right to "the pursuit of happiness". At least the Americans have lived up to this dream. That is why Russians say "a person who smiles a lot is either a fool or an American". The History of Happiness is more than 300 years and mostly more of a Western concept and paticularly American. The Harvard Business Review (HBR) reports that in the 18th century there were measurable advances in human comfort for the middle classes and above, ranging from better home heating to the availability of umbrellas to provide shelter from the rain. But even with these advances, the British traditionalists objected to the latter as undermining national character. New research show a high correlation between performance and happiness. Sonja Lyubomirsky, Laura King and Ed Diener found that happy employees have, on average, 31% higher productivity; their sales are 37% higher and their creativity is three times higher. Other studies have similar findings on a country's economic performance. The discourse on the measure of National Well Being (NWB) through happiness is gaining momentum. This thinking started in the 18th century. According to HBR, an Englishman, Jeremy Bentham in 1781 outlined a philosophy of utility that assessed the merits of an action according to how much happiness it produced. This was during the Enlightenment period, when thinkers sought to replace religion-based rules with National, scientific guides to decision making and life. Unfortunately or fortunately welfare economists, Paul Samuelson and Richard Stone without regard to utility, disparaged Bentham's thinking and came up with what we refer today as GDP and GNP. Top countries by income today are: Qater, Liechtenstein, UAE, S'pore, Luxenboug, Kuwait, Brunei etc. These countries do not feature highly on National Happiness index. So the spectacular outward expression of happiness in Dubai did not mean that everybody was happy. However, Shawn Achor has argued that people who cultivate a positive mind-set perform better in the face of challenge. He calls this "hapiness advantage" - every business outcome shows improvement when the brain is positive. My mentor who died in the U.S was not religious but he was very spiritual. Before his death he had asked me to do a Church service for him. While a live, we made that arrangement with Presbyterian pastor from his neighbourhood. He used to say "I do not want to give too many instruction from the grave but I need you people to be happy for I shall be happy with re-unions of my loved ones". At the funeral, there were tears but it was the most beautiful funeral that I have ever attended in happiness. This is generally the American way that has dimistified some of man kind's worst fears. Let us all be happy and pursue happiness as our right. Regards. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:29:06 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dakitari, When we defend positions we kill a lively discourse. I know you do good for Kenya but that should not stop us from discussing the merits and demerits of working from the diaspora. I had clearly said that some academics are suspect. I was actually deliberate and hoped someone would ask me to expound on this assertion. I still stand by my statement. Academics should indeed make well researched statements that can help build Africa. Most commentaries by African academics and more specifically from the diaspora are opinions. Their opinions are mostly political and do not differentiate them from our less educated lot. Africa suffers all angles and lacks all manner of resources including venture Capital but you find almost all studies on exploiting local opportunities are done by foreigners. New research on social enterprise to alleviate poverty was done by foreign Universities using African data. The looming Euro crisis' impact on Africa is being done by foreigners yet we have well accomplished economists out there. I can go on and on. In swahili it is said that "mwacha mila ni mtumwa". In my previous contribution especially on colonialism, I have stated that going forward we must build the confidence to face up to our colonial masters and work for the improvement of all. How do we get their if our very own disregard local research? How do we build confidence when we become dependent even on research? Prof. Makau writes every week in local papers but you cannot distiguish his piece from an angry local writer. His comments on the constitution before and after its making were suspect. He could not even point out on the composition of the committee of experts that drafted the constitution that it was skewed towards lawyers. This document as we implement it did not consider the economics of its implementation. As a prominent legal expert he flip flopped relying mostly on opinions yet there is rich history on constitutionalism in the US. Other academics did the same. This forum as you know does not target anyone. We are simply exploring on issues and we are happy that you are able to contribute. Regards. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:01:36 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Happy New Year - ref: Re: Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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