Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 5 of 8 Theme : Critical Internet Resources- Continuation
Greetings All, Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title. Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources, 1. DNSSEC 2. IPV6- the regulatory angle, Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.” What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ? And if we should, who should be in charge of that? Reactions? Today , we add 3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain) *Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC)* was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). www.kenic.or.ke KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year, The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD). http://www.e- government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=1&Itemid=119 1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote “ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM (www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space. While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...” Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway? I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars. Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome… Kind Regards, -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
Dear All, maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)... looking at the KENIC situation, with the equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way up above a registrar....so what does that make them? Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter? Secondly, the high prices of domain registration: KENIC's pricing of .co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc is Ksh 500/- P/A KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM. Was there any changes to that effect, this year? Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed! Kind Regards, On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings All,
Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title.
Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
1. DNSSEC
2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,
Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ?
And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
Reactions?
Today , we add
3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
*Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC)* was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). www.kenic.or.ke
KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year,
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD).
http://www.e- government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=1&Itemid=119
1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote
“ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM (www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...”
Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway?
I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars.
Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
Kind Regards, -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
-- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
Hi Judy/All, Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription expires and then there seems to be a very small window which appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape. And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the domain. Kind Regards, Waudo On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite" <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote: Dear All, maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)... looking at the KENIC situation, with the equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way up above a registrar....so what does that make them? Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter? Secondly, the high prices of domain registration: KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc is Ksh 500/- P/A KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM. Was there any changes to that effect, this year? Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed! Kind Regards, On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite <[2]judyokite@gmail.com> wrote: Greetings All, Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title. Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources, 1. DNSSEC 2. IPV6- the regulatory angle, Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.” What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ? And if we should, who should be in charge of that? Reactions? Today , we add 3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain) Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year, The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD). [4]http://www.e- [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai ls&gid=1&Itemid=119 1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote “ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space. While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...” Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway? I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars. Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome… Kind Regards, -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: emailsignet@mailcan.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman /options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.com References 1. http://co.ke/ 2. mailto:judyokite@gmail.com 3. http://www.kenic.or.ke/ 4. http://www.e-/ 5. http://government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=1&Itemid=119 6. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
Listers, One important observation that I have whenever KENIC is mentioned, is the way it is shrouded in mystery. When it's said to be a 'perfect' model in managing .ke domains, what does this really imply? That the govt, through the Ministry of InfoCom, and some few other 'wise men and women' sit on the KENIC board? If the essence of a PPP model is based on where KENIC is based, assuming it's at CCK's compound, then I need to be 'opened' up, because at Stima Plaza there are diverse businesses yet the building is property of KENGEN/KPLC! The same applies to Electricirty House. Another thing, if KENIC's price for .ke domain names is, say, Kshs. 2,000, why would a registrar charge less or more than that? There has to be streamlined approaches in this regad so that consumers are not exploited, as Dr. Siganga has pointed out. It's probably because of this that registrars are 'free' to do as they wish, in terms of prices, hosting plans etc. I cannot say that KENIC is not doing much, it can do better. And in the 2009 AGM, there waas a call for having a Special Purpose Vehicle(SPV)? What happened to it? Did the idea just fizzle out immediately after the meeting? The most important thing here is to make mechanisms for making a shift in diversities. On 09/07/2010, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Hi Judy/All,
Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription expires and then there seems to be a very small window which appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape. And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the domain.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite" <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
looking at the KENIC situation, with the equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc is Ksh 500/- P/A
KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
Kind Regards,
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite <[2]judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings All,
Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title.
Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
1. DNSSEC
2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,
Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ?
And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
Reactions?
Today , we add
3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year,
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD).
[4]http://www.e- [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote
“ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...”
Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway?
I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars.
Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
Kind Regards, -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
-- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
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1. http://co.ke/ 2. mailto:judyokite@gmail.com 3. http://www.kenic.or.ke/ 4. http://www.e-/ 5. http://government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=1&Itemid=119 6. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
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Lets be clear. KENIC is a registry, domain names are regiistered with the registry by registrars. Hosting is a separate issie, but many registrars offer hosting as well. Rgds, mctim On 7/9/10, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
One important observation that I have whenever KENIC is mentioned, is the way it is shrouded in mystery. When it's said to be a 'perfect' model in managing .ke domains, what does this really imply? That the govt, through the Ministry of InfoCom, and some few other 'wise men and women' sit on the KENIC board? If the essence of a PPP model is based on where KENIC is based, assuming it's at CCK's compound, then I need to be 'opened' up, because at Stima Plaza there are diverse businesses yet the building is property of KENGEN/KPLC! The same applies to Electricirty House.
Another thing, if KENIC's price for .ke domain names is, say, Kshs. 2,000, why would a registrar charge less or more than that? There has to be streamlined approaches in this regad so that consumers are not exploited, as Dr. Siganga has pointed out.
It's probably because of this that registrars are 'free' to do as they wish, in terms of prices, hosting plans etc.
I cannot say that KENIC is not doing much, it can do better. And in the 2009 AGM, there waas a call for having a Special Purpose Vehicle(SPV)? What happened to it? Did the idea just fizzle out immediately after the meeting?
The most important thing here is to make mechanisms for making a shift in diversities.
On 09/07/2010, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Hi Judy/All,
Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription expires and then there seems to be a very small window which appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape. And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the domain.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite" <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
looking at the KENIC situation, with the equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc is Ksh 500/- P/A
KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
Kind Regards,
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite <[2]judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings All,
Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title.
Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
1. DNSSEC
2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,
Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ?
And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
Reactions?
Today , we add
3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year,
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD).
[4]http://www.e- [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote
“ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...”
Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway?
I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars.
Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
Kind Regards, -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
-- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
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***************************************************** Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
AND
It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!
http://smiley2.wordpress.com http://mburu.sikika.co.ke
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-- Sent from my mobile device Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On point McTim. I suppose many people dont know the difference between a registry and a registrar, we need to start there , over to CCK consumer affairs department. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:52 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Lets be clear. KENIC is a registry, domain names are regiistered with the registry by registrars. Hosting is a separate issie, but many registrars offer hosting as well. Rgds, mctim
On 7/9/10, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
One important observation that I have whenever KENIC is mentioned, is the way it is shrouded in mystery. When it's said to be a 'perfect' model in managing .ke domains, what does this really imply? That the govt, through the Ministry of InfoCom, and some few other 'wise men and women' sit on the KENIC board? If the essence of a PPP model is based on where KENIC is based, assuming it's at CCK's compound, then I need to be 'opened' up, because at Stima Plaza there are diverse businesses yet the building is property of KENGEN/KPLC! The same applies to Electricirty House.
Another thing, if KENIC's price for .ke domain names is, say, Kshs. 2,000, why would a registrar charge less or more than that? There has to be streamlined approaches in this regad so that consumers are not exploited, as Dr. Siganga has pointed out.
It's probably because of this that registrars are 'free' to do as they wish, in terms of prices, hosting plans etc.
I cannot say that KENIC is not doing much, it can do better. And in the 2009 AGM, there waas a call for having a Special Purpose Vehicle(SPV)? What happened to it? Did the idea just fizzle out immediately after the meeting?
The most important thing here is to make mechanisms for making a shift in diversities.
On 09/07/2010, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Hi Judy/All,
Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription expires and then there seems to be a very small window which appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape. And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the domain.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite" <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
looking at the KENIC situation, with the equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc is Ksh 500/- P/A
KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
Kind Regards,
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite <[2]judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings All,
Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title.
Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
1. DNSSEC
2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,
Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ?
And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
Reactions?
Today , we add
3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year,
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD).
[4]http://www.e- [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote
“ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...”
Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway?
I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars.
Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
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Listers,
One important observation that I have whenever KENIC is mentioned, is the way it is shrouded in mystery. When it's said to be a 'perfect' model in managing .ke domains, what does this really imply? That the govt, through the Ministry of InfoCom, and some few other 'wise men and women' sit on the KENIC board? If the essence of a PPP model is based on where KENIC is based, assuming it's at CCK's compound, then I need to be 'opened' up, because at Stima Plaza there are diverse businesses yet the building is property of KENGEN/KPLC! The same applies to Electricirty House.
*With regard to KENIC being shrouded in Mystery i beg to disagree with
Dear Solomon, You have raised pertinent issues, again let me try and answer your points as a registrar who has worked closely with the CCTLD, in have always volunteered my knowledge and time because this is what the PPP model is all about, together we all achieve more. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote: that point, quoting the great book ask and it shall be given unto you, as a registrar i have always gone to KENIC whenever i felt i had issues that needed to be addressed and or views to express, i am glad the organisation has an open door policy unless someone else has contrasting views, unfortunately i have never attended an AGM (i blame myself for that) but i doubt whether they would deny me an opportunity to vie for a seat if i qualified. I stand to be corrected by this as well. With regard to CCK being opened up i suppose that is the prerogative of the organisation, the board has its own ideas and strategic objectives. Speaking of which i was surprised you can actually schedule an appointment with the chair just the way our PS has an open door policy only that we are scared of appointments at 6 am :-) *
Another thing, if KENIC's price for .ke domain names is, say, Kshs. 2,000, why would a registrar charge less or more than that? There has to be streamlined approaches in this regad so that consumers are not exploited, as Dr. Siganga has pointed out. *I suppose we need to be realistic and come up with business cases before advancing arguments, as a registrar it can be really tough doing business in the .ke environmnet considering the fact that a client does not appreciated why they should pay a certain amount for something that does not have immediate returns, in seeking answers to this question i read about the 5 C's of a website from one of the leading local entrepreneurs blogs and i found it very educations, the issue here is awareness and capacity building, as a registrar i have been doing this passionately, you have to feed your cow before milking it* It's probably because of this that registrars are 'free' to do as they wish, in terms of prices, hosting plans etc.
I cannot say that KENIC is not doing much, it can do better. And in the 2009 AGM, there waas a call for having a Special Purpose Vehicle(SPV)? What happened to it? Did the idea just fizzle out immediately after the meeting? *I need to be advised about this as well, what was this special purpose vehicle aimed at ?* The most important thing here is to make mechanisms for making a shift in diversities.
On 09/07/2010, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Hi Judy/All,
Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription expires and then there seems to be a very small window which appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape. And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the domain.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite" <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
looking at the KENIC situation, with the equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc is Ksh 500/- P/A
KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
Kind Regards,
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite <[2]judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings All,
Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title.
Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
1. DNSSEC
2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,
Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ?
And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
Reactions?
Today , we add
3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year,
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD).
[4]http://www.e- [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote
“ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...”
Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway?
I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars.
Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
Kind Regards, -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
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Dear Judy, Thank you for bringing up this debate, let me attempt to answer some of your questions based on my understanding. Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway? *I suppose the Minister needs to be advised, the question is who will advise him. Considering the fact that KENIC is a PPP, it is incumbent upon the stakeholders to advise the Minister, i wonder whether the issue was tackled at the AGM, any insights Walu or any other person who attended the agm?* I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars. *Well having attended the many training sessions organised by KENIC in the capacity of a registrar, i must say they are on the right track, what is lacking is cooperation from the registar community and i suppose we need to have this issue on the KEPSA agenda, Kenic has made attempts to educate the market and reach out to more people but i suppose we need to lend the organisation a hand, during ICANN i spoke to Registrars from Japan and Australia and was surprise that .jp commands 50 percent of the market share, same case for .au, during the conversation i realised that a concerted effort is required to educate the populace on why they need a CCTLD, i suppose we have focused for Long on the Policy Aspects and left out the Business aspects. all is not lost though since if the presentation that was made during the KENIC agm is anything to go by, there is a positive trend albeit at a low pace. my challenge at this point to stakeholders is ask not what our CCTLD can do for us but what we can do to ensure .ke has 50 percent market share * Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome… Kind Regards, -- On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:34 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
Hi Judy/All,
Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription expires and then there seems to be a very small window which appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape. And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the domain.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite" <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
looking at the KENIC situation, with the equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way up above a registrar....so what does that make them? Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
KENIC's pricing of .co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc is Ksh 500/- P/A
KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
Kind Regards,
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings All,
Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title.
Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
1. DNSSEC
2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,
Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ?
And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
Reactions?
Today , we add
3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
*Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC)* was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). www.kenic.or.ke
KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year,
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD).
http://www.e- government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=1&Itemid=119
1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote
“ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM (www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...”
Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway?
I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars.
Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
Kind Regards, -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
-- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
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@Waudo, KENIC has a very good mechanism for domain transfers between registrars. The process is as simple as 123. The domain owner aproaches the registrar of choice, and decides to transfer in, the registrar then puts an online request to the competitor to transfer out. If he refuses, there is a despute committee than can arbitrate. Of course the big players are the hardest to transfer out of, and also some quacks will never transfer a domain at all. This is an issue of ethics. It would sound illogical to transfer an expired domain. You have to renew it first. If you have paid for domain renewal and it has not been renewed, then you have been scammed. You can take the issue with KENIC desputes committee. @Judy, the KENIC pricing has been discussed at lengths. I used to advocate lower prices, but since I became an insider, I now know better. Look at the price of .xxx domain. At $60 translating at about KES4500 with more than 100,000, domains already booked, that's $6M per year, while .org and .com costs KES800, enjoying millions of subscribers, thus giving them economies of scale. You will realise that KENIC survives on a shoe string budget. If you look at their balance sheets, you can't help but pity them. According to this presentation by Kemibaro, .ke domains are not overpriced http://www.slideshare.net/kemibaro/kenya-network-information-centre-kenic-ma... We only have paltry 3000 .ke domains. At some quarters, its has been argued that personal .me.ke domain should be given out for free for the first year. Maybe even .sc.ke and .ne.ke. I think that would be a brilliant marketing strategy, then go back to 500bob per year thereafter. Anybody advocating for lowering of .ke prices should also at the same time come up with a survival tactic for KENIC. How they will pay their staff and maintain the servers. I would suggest that KENIC start offering hosting, colocation, consultancy, and such related services. But again such divergence might bring about conflict of interest. @Barrack, you hit the nail directly at the head. That is perfect observation that 'ask not what KENIC has done for you, but what you have done for KENIC'. As registrars we are always faced with the choice of whether to give our clients a ccTLD or gTLD. Most of us opt for gTLD because we are saving some few cents. After doing a market survey, I realised that most established registrar charge the same amount for either gTLD or ccTLD. We need concerted effort and willingness by the registrar to convince clients to take our .ke ccTLD, only then, shall we prosper as a registry We Kenyans should start feeling proud of our 'identity'. I think the patriotic card can be played well to convince people to take our local domains. The marking strategy of 'zingine ni COMmon' was very good. It should be revived. We should also convince our politicians to take .ke domain when they are launching their campaign websites. In that way, the population will be exposed to the .ke brand. Regards Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248 get a .co.ke at 2000 + VAT On 7/9/10, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Hi Judy/All,
Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription expires and then there seems to be a very small window which appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape. And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the domain.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite" <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
looking at the KENIC situation, with the equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc is Ksh 500/- P/A
KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
Kind Regards,
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite <[2]judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings All,
Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title.
Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
1. DNSSEC
2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,
Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ?
And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
Reactions?
Today , we add
3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year,
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD).
[4]http://www.e- [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote
“ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...”
Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway?
I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars.
Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
Kind Regards, -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
-- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
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This is very useful Lordmwesh. Thanks Kind Regards, Waudo On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:27 +0300, "lordmwesh" <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
@Waudo, KENIC has a very good mechanism for domain transfers between registrars. The process is as simple as 123. The domain owner aproaches the registrar of choice, and decides to transfer in, the registrar then puts an online request to the competitor to transfer out. If he refuses, there is a despute committee than can arbitrate. Of course the big players are the hardest to transfer out of, and also some quacks will never transfer a domain at all. This is an issue of ethics.
It would sound illogical to transfer an expired domain. You have to renew it first.
If you have paid for domain renewal and it has not been renewed, then you have been scammed. You can take the issue with KENIC desputes committee.
@Judy, the KENIC pricing has been discussed at lengths. I used to advocate lower prices, but since I became an insider, I now know better. Look at the price of .xxx domain. At $60 translating at about KES4500 with more than 100,000, domains already booked, that's $6M per year, while .org and .com costs KES800, enjoying millions of subscribers, thus giving them economies of scale. You will realise that KENIC survives on a shoe string budget. If you look at their balance sheets, you can't help but pity them. According to this presentation by Kemibaro, .ke domains are not overpriced http://www.slideshare.net/kemibaro/kenya-network-information-centre-kenic-ma...
We only have paltry 3000 .ke domains.
At some quarters, its has been argued that personal .me.ke domain should be given out for free for the first year. Maybe even .sc.ke and .ne.ke. I think that would be a brilliant marketing strategy, then go back to 500bob per year thereafter.
Anybody advocating for lowering of .ke prices should also at the same time come up with a survival tactic for KENIC. How they will pay their staff and maintain the servers.
I would suggest that KENIC start offering hosting, colocation, consultancy, and such related services. But again such divergence might bring about conflict of interest.
@Barrack, you hit the nail directly at the head. That is perfect observation that 'ask not what KENIC has done for you, but what you have done for KENIC'. As registrars we are always faced with the choice of whether to give our clients a ccTLD or gTLD. Most of us opt for gTLD because we are saving some few cents. After doing a market survey, I realised that most established registrar charge the same amount for either gTLD or ccTLD. We need concerted effort and willingness by the registrar to convince clients to take our .ke ccTLD, only then, shall we prosper as a registry
We Kenyans should start feeling proud of our 'identity'. I think the patriotic card can be played well to convince people to take our local domains. The marking strategy of 'zingine ni COMmon' was very good. It should be revived. We should also convince our politicians to take .ke domain when they are launching their campaign websites. In that way, the population will be exposed to the .ke brand.
Regards Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248 get a .co.ke at 2000 + VAT
On 7/9/10, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Hi Judy/All,
Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription expires and then there seems to be a very small window which appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape. And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the domain.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite" <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
looking at the KENIC situation, with the equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc is Ksh 500/- P/A
KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
Kind Regards,
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite <[2]judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings All,
Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title.
Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
1. DNSSEC
2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,
Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ?
And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
Reactions?
Today , we add
3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year,
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD).
[4]http://www.e- [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote
“ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...”
Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway?
I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars.
Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
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I don't KENIC is in a such bad position afterall. They have exclusive rights to sell a service at 2000 to 40m Kenyans and about more than 100,000 entities be it a corporate, sme, government agency etc. I think their performance has lots of room for creativity in business development for in local market, customer protection from unethical registrars, best practice awareness, and other areas. I did not get a chance to be their AGM but I know others will agree that KENIC is better known out there than locally. Thats how I see it. On 11 Jul 2010 12:00 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: This is very useful Lordmwesh. Thanks Kind Regards, Waudo On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:27 +0300, "lordmwesh" <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
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Dear All, thank you, very much, for all your informative inputs.....we are all learning!! the question at the back of my mind as Barrack had stipulated..... Who should advice the Minister? (if he has not been) on this matter? what is a likely scenario? KENIC will be granted back these rights without any opposition or there will be call of applications(I know, that am getting over my head,here,a real lay man :-) ) the knowledgeable people, what does it mean, reading through the KCA Act 2009? Kind Regards, On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't KENIC is in a such bad position afterall. They have exclusive rights to sell a service at 2000 to 40m Kenyans and about more than 100,000 entities be it a corporate, sme, government agency etc. I think their performance has lots of room for creativity in business development for in local market, customer protection from unethical registrars, best practice awareness, and other areas. I did not get a chance to be their AGM but I know others will agree that KENIC is better known out there than locally. Thats how I see it.
On 11 Jul 2010 12:00 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
This is very useful Lordmwesh. Thanks Kind Regards, Waudo
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:27 +0300, "lordmwesh" <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
@Waudo, KENIC has a very good mechanism for domain transfers between registrars. The process is ...
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On prices, you have selected a price that is an outlier on the upper side. I have been looking at gTLD prices with a couple foreign based registrars. gTLD like .org and .com are in the $6 range - less than Kshs 500. It would be good to see a partnership on .ke and Brand Kenya. A swell in national pride would be good for .ke registrations. Imagine if we were the ones who had recently hosted the World Cup with such enthusiasm and professionalism (or something similar) - .ke would sell like hot cakes. Maybe, with Brand Kenya, we should host the Netanyahu/Abu Mazen negotiations (after all we did Sudan well), or ask Obama to host a US Cabinet/NATO meeting here... regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sat, 10 July, 2010 17:27:00 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 5 of 8 Theme : Critical Internet Resources- Continuation @Waudo, KENIC has a very good mechanism for domain transfers between registrars. The process is as simple as 123. The domain owner aproaches the registrar of choice, and decides to transfer in, the registrar then puts an online request to the competitor to transfer out. If he refuses, there is a despute committee than can arbitrate. Of course the big players are the hardest to transfer out of, and also some quacks will never transfer a domain at all. This is an issue of ethics. It would sound illogical to transfer an expired domain. You have to renew it first. If you have paid for domain renewal and it has not been renewed, then you have been scammed. You can take the issue with KENIC desputes committee. @Judy, the KENIC pricing has been discussed at lengths. I used to advocate lower prices, but since I became an insider, I now know better. Look at the price of .xxx domain. At $60 translating at about KES4500 with more than 100,000, domains already booked, that's $6M per year, while .org and .com costs KES800, enjoying millions of subscribers, thus giving them economies of scale. You will realise that KENIC survives on a shoe string budget. If you look at their balance sheets, you can't help but pity them. According to this presentation by Kemibaro, .ke domains are not overpriced http://www.slideshare.net/kemibaro/kenya-network-information-centre-kenic-ma... We only have paltry 3000 .ke domains. At some quarters, its has been argued that personal .me.ke domain should be given out for free for the first year. Maybe even .sc.ke and .ne.ke. I think that would be a brilliant marketing strategy, then go back to 500bob per year thereafter. Anybody advocating for lowering of .ke prices should also at the same time come up with a survival tactic for KENIC. How they will pay their staff and maintain the servers. I would suggest that KENIC start offering hosting, colocation, consultancy, and such related services. But again such divergence might bring about conflict of interest. @Barrack, you hit the nail directly at the head. That is perfect observation that 'ask not what KENIC has done for you, but what you have done for KENIC'. As registrars we are always faced with the choice of whether to give our clients a ccTLD or gTLD. Most of us opt for gTLD because we are saving some few cents. After doing a market survey, I realised that most established registrar charge the same amount for either gTLD or ccTLD. We need concerted effort and willingness by the registrar to convince clients to take our .ke ccTLD, only then, shall we prosper as a registry We Kenyans should start feeling proud of our 'identity'. I think the patriotic card can be played well to convince people to take our local domains. The marking strategy of 'zingine ni COMmon' was very good. It should be revived. We should also convince our politicians to take .ke domain when they are launching their campaign websites. In that way, the population will be exposed to the .ke brand. Regards Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248 get a .co.ke at 2000 + VAT On 7/9/10, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Hi Judy/All,
Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription expires and then there seems to be a very small window which appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape. And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the domain.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite" <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
looking at the KENIC situation, with the equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc is Ksh 500/- P/A
KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
Kind Regards,
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite <[2]judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings All,
Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title.
Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
1. DNSSEC
2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,
Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ?
And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
Reactions?
Today , we add
3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year,
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD).
[4]http://www.e- [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote
“ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...”
Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway?
I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars.
Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
Kind Regards, -- “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
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Thanks Lordmwesh, your answer was really insightfull, , @ Judy, since KENIC is a PPP, i suppose the outcome of the AGM should be sufficent to advise the Honourable Minister since it is the voice of the people, @ Wamuyu, those are great ideas, i am sure the KENIC marketing commitee would like to pick on some of this, the idea is when we work together for a common purpose we all win, ICANN No 37 was a case in point on what we can achieve through PPP, the sky is the limit. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
On prices, you have selected a price that is an outlier on the upper side. I have been looking at gTLD prices with a couple foreign based registrars. gTLD like .org and .com are in the $6 range - less than Kshs 500.
It would be good to see a partnership on .ke and Brand Kenya. A swell in national pride would be good for .ke registrations. Imagine if we were the ones who had recently hosted the World Cup with such enthusiasm and professionalism (or something similar) - .ke would sell like hot cakes. Maybe, with Brand Kenya, we should host the Netanyahu/Abu Mazen negotiations (after all we did Sudan well), or ask Obama to host a US Cabinet/NATO meeting here...
regards, Wamuyu
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*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 5 of 8 Theme : Critical Internet Resources- Continuation
@Waudo, KENIC has a very good mechanism for domain transfers between registrars. The process is as simple as 123. The domain owner aproaches the registrar of choice, and decides to transfer in, the registrar then puts an online request to the competitor to transfer out. If he refuses, there is a despute committee than can arbitrate. Of course the big players are the hardest to transfer out of, and also some quacks will never transfer a domain at all. This is an issue of ethics.
It would sound illogical to transfer an expired domain. You have to renew it first.
If you have paid for domain renewal and it has not been renewed, then you have been scammed. You can take the issue with KENIC desputes committee.
@Judy, the KENIC pricing has been discussed at lengths. I used to advocate lower prices, but since I became an insider, I now know better. Look at the price of .xxx domain. At $60 translating at about KES4500 with more than 100,000, domains already booked, that's $6M per year, while .org and .com costs KES800, enjoying millions of subscribers, thus giving them economies of scale. You will realise that KENIC survives on a shoe string budget. If you look at their balance sheets, you can't help but pity them. According to this presentation by Kemibaro, .ke domains are not overpriced
http://www.slideshare.net/kemibaro/kenya-network-information-centre-kenic-ma...
We only have paltry 3000 .ke domains.
At some quarters, its has been argued that personal .me.ke domain should be given out for free for the first year. Maybe even .sc.ke and .ne.ke. I think that would be a brilliant marketing strategy, then go back to 500bob per year thereafter.
Anybody advocating for lowering of .ke prices should also at the same time come up with a survival tactic for KENIC. How they will pay their staff and maintain the servers.
I would suggest that KENIC start offering hosting, colocation, consultancy, and such related services. But again such divergence might bring about conflict of interest.
@Barrack, you hit the nail directly at the head. That is perfect observation that 'ask not what KENIC has done for you, but what you have done for KENIC'. As registrars we are always faced with the choice of whether to give our clients a ccTLD or gTLD. Most of us opt for gTLD because we are saving some few cents. After doing a market survey, I realised that most established registrar charge the same amount for either gTLD or ccTLD. We need concerted effort and willingness by the registrar to convince clients to take our .ke ccTLD, only then, shall we prosper as a registry
We Kenyans should start feeling proud of our 'identity'. I think the patriotic card can be played well to convince people to take our local domains. The marking strategy of 'zingine ni COMmon' was very good. It should be revived. We should also convince our politicians to take .ke domain when they are launching their campaign websites. In that way, the population will be exposed to the .ke brand.
Regards Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248 get a .co.ke at 2000 + VAT
On 7/9/10, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Hi Judy/All,
Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription expires and then there seems to be a very small window which appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape. And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the domain.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite" <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
looking at the KENIC situation, with the equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc is Ksh 500/- P/A
KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
Kind Regards,
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite <[2]judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings All,
Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by clicking on the correct subject/title.
Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
1. DNSSEC
2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,
Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world, then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that. Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6 ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the hardware getting into our country ?
And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
Reactions?
Today , we add
3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but last year,
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the Commission to provide public policy oversight on the administration and management of the dot KE country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD).
[4]http://www.e- [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the discussions begun and I quote
“ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet to issue regulations on how it would be done because most stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder, public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some consensus is reached on the way forward...”
Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a system/process and is it underway?
I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what effect has this had in the market, more especially for the Registrars.
Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
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Barrack Otieno -
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