OCHUODHO: It is high time order was brought to the ICT sector
Oracles from the father of Kenya's Internet...... http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/It-is-high-time-order-was-brought-to-th... Kamotho
"The Merriam Webster Dictionary defines “profession” as “a calling requiring specialised knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation”.Does IT/ICT, therefore, qualify as a “profession” or vocation? Yes, of course, it does." Long and intensive academic preparation? In the knowledge economy/digital age, the length has been drastically reduced.Perhaps there needs to be a new definition of the term "profession" that takes into consideration things like e-learning and "YouTube university". ICT underpines every profession so a doctor can be an IT expert in the medical field. With all due respect, the ICT sector is still growing and there's going to be a whole lot of chaos, I mean, innovation, before order is brought. Regards, Mildred Achoch. On Saturday, November 5, 2016, Kamotho Njenga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Oracles from the father of Kenya's Internet......
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/It-is-high-time-order- was-brought-to-the-ICT-sector/440808-3441276-9qfmmgz/index.html
Kamotho
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Like I said, in the Knowledge company/digital age, the Internet allows all these components of what makes a profession to be thrown out of Ivory towers and allows average people with the drive, commitment and passion to become professionals and to create new professions that did not exist a decade ago. On Saturday, November 5, 2016, alex watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
a profession requires a recorgnised body of knowledge, ethics that members abide by, research going on in the body of knowledge and recognition
On 5 Nov 2016 15:22, Mildred Achoch via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
"The Merriam Webster Dictionary defines “profession” as “a calling requiring specialised knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation”.Does IT/ICT, therefore, qualify as a “profession” or vocation? Yes, of course, it does."
Long and intensive academic preparation? In the knowledge economy/digital age, the length has been drastically reduced.Perhaps there needs to be a new definition of the term "profession" that takes into consideration things like e-learning and "YouTube university". ICT underpines every profession so a doctor can be an IT expert in the medical field. With all due respect, the ICT sector is still growing and there's going to be a whole lot of chaos, I mean, innovation, before order is brought.
Regards,
Mildred Achoch.
On Saturday, November 5, 2016, Kamotho Njenga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
Oracles from the father of Kenya's Internet......
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/It-is-high-time-order-w as-brought-to-the-ICT-sector/440808-3441276-9qfmmgz/index.html
Kamotho
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This in one example of a dictionary definition that run against common sense. The title of the oldest profession is usually conferred to prostitution. According to the World Almanac website, nominations for the second oldest profession include: actors, casino gambling, con men, counterfeiting, gigolos, glassmaking, interpreters, journalism, moving companies, pharmacists, pick pocketing, pimpery, piracy, press agents, spying, and quackery. Many of these may not qualify as having a recognised body of knowledge, ethics that members abide by, and research going on in the body of knowledge. However; they all have recognition.The trick when drafting laws is to start by defining terms in such a way that we exclude interpretations that may justify illegal activities. That way brother Shem may be right. But then ICT pirates, ICT pimps, ICT quacks, ICT counterfeiters, ICT spies and ICT con men may also qualify as ICT professionals.James Kulubi On Saturday, 5 November 2016, 16:34, alex watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: a profession requires a recorgnised body of knowledge, ethics that members abide by, research going on in the body of knowledge and recognition On 5 Nov 2016 15:22, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: "The Merriam Webster Dictionary defines “profession” as “a calling requiring specialised knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation”.Does IT/ICT, therefore, qualify as a “profession” or vocation? Yes, of course, it does."Long and intensive academic preparation? In the knowledge economy/digital age, the length has been drastically reduced.Perhaps there needs to be a new definition of the term "profession" that takes into consideration things like e-learning and "YouTube university". ICT underpines every profession so a doctor can be an IT expert in the medical field. With all due respect, the ICT sector is still growing and there's going to be a whole lot of chaos, I mean, innovation, before order is brought.Regards,Mildred Achoch. On Saturday, November 5, 2016, Kamotho Njenga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Oracles from the father of Kenya's Internet...... http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/ Opinion/It-is-high-time-order- was-brought-to-the-ICT-sector/ 440808-3441276-9qfmmgz/index. html Kamotho -- Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jkulubi%40yahoo.co.uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
my brother Shem says in the article that he is supporting the bill but has NOT yet read it! On Sat, Nov 5, 2016, at 02:24 PM, Kamotho Njenga via kictanet wrote:
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I wonder if Shem, who admits to not reading the bill he advocates, takes his car for repair to a mechanical engineer, registered as an engineer - or does he (like most of us) take it to his friendly local mechanic? Strangely, the mechanical engineer probably would be unable (and certainly unwilling) to get out his socket set and fix the car - although he should be able to tell Shem how an internal combustion engine works (and design one, should the need arise). Shem writes an 'oped' piece in the 'Nation' - does he need certification as a 'journalist' to do that? Confusion also arises as to 'What *is* ICT'? Is it the design of a 'computer' (or associated hardware)? - NO - that is the province of the electrical engineer! Is it, then, the operation of a computing 'device'? - NO - that is the province of the 'end user', in the same sense as that of the operation of a TV - we all operate our TVs, and watch programs of our choice, and we don't need any kind of certification to do that. So is ICT the development of computer programs? - maybe - yet it still depends on the intended purpose of the program in question. If I write a 'game' for an Android phone, do I need a license? - I hope not! But how about if I write a program to control a medical device? - Ah! now we are getting into territory where some kind of regulation is required - but is it the ICT component which needs the regulation, or would it not be the medical device which would need to be certified - and that falls into a different category (and sector) altogether. If I were the designer of the medical device, I would want to make damn sure the software engineer was qualified - but still, I don't think having a GoK license would prove his qualification to do the job. If we apply the same criteria to examine any aspect of ICT, I think the conclusion would be that there is no such thing as an 'ICT Professional' - although many of us may well be professionals in fields which have some overlap with ICT - it is the common ground where we meet - together with many who would not be described as professionals at all. And that is OK! Enjoy your weekend, Tony On 05/11/2016, alex watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
maybe someone read it for him ;-)
On 5 Nov 2016 15:44, waudo siganga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
my brother Shem says in the article that he is supporting the bill but has NOT yet read it!
On Sat, Nov 5, 2016, at 02:24 PM, Kamotho Njenga via kictanet wrote:
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I hope Tony's mail has put an end to the campaign. Thanks for closing this debate Tony White. On Saturday, November 5, 2016, Tony White via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I wonder if Shem, who admits to not reading the bill he advocates, takes his car for repair to a mechanical engineer, registered as an engineer - or does he (like most of us) take it to his friendly local mechanic?
Strangely, the mechanical engineer probably would be unable (and certainly unwilling) to get out his socket set and fix the car - although he should be able to tell Shem how an internal combustion engine works (and design one, should the need arise).
Shem writes an 'oped' piece in the 'Nation' - does he need certification as a 'journalist' to do that?
Confusion also arises as to 'What *is* ICT'? Is it the design of a 'computer' (or associated hardware)? - NO - that is the province of the electrical engineer! Is it, then, the operation of a computing 'device'? - NO - that is the province of the 'end user', in the same sense as that of the operation of a TV - we all operate our TVs, and watch programs of our choice, and we don't need any kind of certification to do that.
So is ICT the development of computer programs? - maybe - yet it still depends on the intended purpose of the program in question. If I write a 'game' for an Android phone, do I need a license? - I hope not! But how about if I write a program to control a medical device? - Ah! now we are getting into territory where some kind of regulation is required - but is it the ICT component which needs the regulation, or would it not be the medical device which would need to be certified - and that falls into a different category (and sector) altogether. If I were the designer of the medical device, I would want to make damn sure the software engineer was qualified - but still, I don't think having a GoK license would prove his qualification to do the job.
If we apply the same criteria to examine any aspect of ICT, I think the conclusion would be that there is no such thing as an 'ICT Professional' - although many of us may well be professionals in fields which have some overlap with ICT - it is the common ground where we meet - together with many who would not be described as professionals at all. And that is OK!
Enjoy your weekend, Tony
On 05/11/2016, alex watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:;>> wrote:
maybe someone read it for him ;-)
On 5 Nov 2016 15:44, waudo siganga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:;>> wrote:
my brother Shem says in the article that he is supporting the bill but
has
NOT yet read it!
On Sat, Nov 5, 2016, at 02:24 PM, Kamotho Njenga via kictanet wrote:
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This bill needs to be discussed in the ICT Summit at State House. Let the Jubilee Government tell us in no uncertain terms that that's the way they intend to create jobs in ICT. As for Dr. Ochuodho he certainly gets our respect for the work he has done in ICT in this country but to purport to support a bill he hasn't read is a very strange thing for a man of his stature.. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 5 Nov 2016, at 6:30 PM, DigitalTVAfrica via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I hope Tony's mail has put an end to the campaign. Thanks for closing this debate Tony White.
On Saturday, November 5, 2016, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I wonder if Shem, who admits to not reading the bill he advocates, takes his car for repair to a mechanical engineer, registered as an engineer - or does he (like most of us) take it to his friendly local mechanic?
Strangely, the mechanical engineer probably would be unable (and certainly unwilling) to get out his socket set and fix the car - although he should be able to tell Shem how an internal combustion engine works (and design one, should the need arise).
Shem writes an 'oped' piece in the 'Nation' - does he need certification as a 'journalist' to do that?
Confusion also arises as to 'What *is* ICT'? Is it the design of a 'computer' (or associated hardware)? - NO - that is the province of the electrical engineer! Is it, then, the operation of a computing 'device'? - NO - that is the province of the 'end user', in the same sense as that of the operation of a TV - we all operate our TVs, and watch programs of our choice, and we don't need any kind of certification to do that.
So is ICT the development of computer programs? - maybe - yet it still depends on the intended purpose of the program in question. If I write a 'game' for an Android phone, do I need a license? - I hope not! But how about if I write a program to control a medical device? - Ah! now we are getting into territory where some kind of regulation is required - but is it the ICT component which needs the regulation, or would it not be the medical device which would need to be certified - and that falls into a different category (and sector) altogether. If I were the designer of the medical device, I would want to make damn sure the software engineer was qualified - but still, I don't think having a GoK license would prove his qualification to do the job.
If we apply the same criteria to examine any aspect of ICT, I think the conclusion would be that there is no such thing as an 'ICT Professional' - although many of us may well be professionals in fields which have some overlap with ICT - it is the common ground where we meet - together with many who would not be described as professionals at all. And that is OK!
Enjoy your weekend, Tony
On 05/11/2016, alex watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
maybe someone read it for him ;-)
On 5 Nov 2016 15:44, waudo siganga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
my brother Shem says in the article that he is supporting the bill but has NOT yet read it!
On Sat, Nov 5, 2016, at 02:24 PM, Kamotho Njenga via kictanet wrote:
Oracles from the father of Kenya's Internet......
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/It-is-high-time-order-was-brought-to-th...
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I wrote an article after reviewing the bill. I have attached the link below. Please share it with those who haven't read the bill. http://monyango.com/index.php/2016/10/04/really-regulate-tech/ On 05/11/2016, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This bill needs to be discussed in the ICT Summit at State House.
Let the Jubilee Government tell us in no uncertain terms that that's the way they intend to create jobs in ICT.
As for Dr. Ochuodho he certainly gets our respect for the work he has done in ICT in this country but to purport to support a bill he hasn't read is a very strange thing for a man of his stature..
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On 5 Nov 2016, at 6:30 PM, DigitalTVAfrica via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I hope Tony's mail has put an end to the campaign. Thanks for closing this debate Tony White.
On Saturday, November 5, 2016, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I wonder if Shem, who admits to not reading the bill he advocates, takes his car for repair to a mechanical engineer, registered as an engineer - or does he (like most of us) take it to his friendly local mechanic?
Strangely, the mechanical engineer probably would be unable (and certainly unwilling) to get out his socket set and fix the car - although he should be able to tell Shem how an internal combustion engine works (and design one, should the need arise).
Shem writes an 'oped' piece in the 'Nation' - does he need certification as a 'journalist' to do that?
Confusion also arises as to 'What *is* ICT'? Is it the design of a 'computer' (or associated hardware)? - NO - that is the province of the electrical engineer! Is it, then, the operation of a computing 'device'? - NO - that is the province of the 'end user', in the same sense as that of the operation of a TV - we all operate our TVs, and watch programs of our choice, and we don't need any kind of certification to do that.
So is ICT the development of computer programs? - maybe - yet it still depends on the intended purpose of the program in question. If I write a 'game' for an Android phone, do I need a license? - I hope not! But how about if I write a program to control a medical device? - Ah! now we are getting into territory where some kind of regulation is required - but is it the ICT component which needs the regulation, or would it not be the medical device which would need to be certified - and that falls into a different category (and sector) altogether. If I were the designer of the medical device, I would want to make damn sure the software engineer was qualified - but still, I don't think having a GoK license would prove his qualification to do the job.
If we apply the same criteria to examine any aspect of ICT, I think the conclusion would be that there is no such thing as an 'ICT Professional' - although many of us may well be professionals in fields which have some overlap with ICT - it is the common ground where we meet - together with many who would not be described as professionals at all. And that is OK!
Enjoy your weekend, Tony
On 05/11/2016, alex watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
maybe someone read it for him ;-)
On 5 Nov 2016 15:44, waudo siganga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
my brother Shem says in the article that he is supporting the bill but has NOT yet read it!
On Sat, Nov 5, 2016, at 02:24 PM, Kamotho Njenga via kictanet wrote:
Oracles from the father of Kenya's Internet......
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/It-is-high-time-order-was-brought-to-th...
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An informative article. Thanks. Quote from the article: "Lon Fuller in his book the Morality of Law writes about King Rex who promulgated a law that required his subjects to appear before the throne once summoned in ten seconds. His subjects responded by sending him a leaflet which read, “To command what cannot be done is not to make law; it is to unmake law, for a command that cannot be obeyed serves no end but confusion, fear and chaos.” On Saturday, November 5, 2016, Francis Monyango via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I wrote an article after reviewing the bill. I have attached the link below. Please share it with those who haven't read the bill. http://monyango.com/index.php/2016/10/04/really-regulate-tech/
This bill needs to be discussed in the ICT Summit at State House.
Let the Jubilee Government tell us in no uncertain terms that that's the way they intend to create jobs in ICT.
As for Dr. Ochuodho he certainly gets our respect for the work he has done in ICT in this country but to purport to support a bill he hasn't read is a very strange thing for a man of his stature..
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113
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On 5 Nov 2016, at 6:30 PM, DigitalTVAfrica via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:;>> wrote:
I hope Tony's mail has put an end to the campaign. Thanks for closing
On 05/11/2016, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:;>> wrote: this
debate Tony White.
On Saturday, November 5, 2016, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:;>> wrote: I wonder if Shem, who admits to not reading the bill he advocates, takes his car for repair to a mechanical engineer, registered as an engineer - or does he (like most of us) take it to his friendly local mechanic?
Strangely, the mechanical engineer probably would be unable (and certainly unwilling) to get out his socket set and fix the car - although he should be able to tell Shem how an internal combustion engine works (and design one, should the need arise).
Shem writes an 'oped' piece in the 'Nation' - does he need certification as a 'journalist' to do that?
Confusion also arises as to 'What *is* ICT'? Is it the design of a 'computer' (or associated hardware)? - NO - that is the province of the electrical engineer! Is it, then, the operation of a computing 'device'? - NO - that is the province of the 'end user', in the same sense as that of the operation of a TV - we all operate our TVs, and watch programs of our choice, and we don't need any kind of certification to do that.
So is ICT the development of computer programs? - maybe - yet it still depends on the intended purpose of the program in question. If I write a 'game' for an Android phone, do I need a license? - I hope not! But how about if I write a program to control a medical device? - Ah! now we are getting into territory where some kind of regulation is required - but is it the ICT component which needs the regulation, or would it not be the medical device which would need to be certified - and that falls into a different category (and sector) altogether. If I were the designer of the medical device, I would want to make damn sure the software engineer was qualified - but still, I don't think having a GoK license would prove his qualification to do the job.
If we apply the same criteria to examine any aspect of ICT, I think the conclusion would be that there is no such thing as an 'ICT Professional' - although many of us may well be professionals in fields which have some overlap with ICT - it is the common ground where we meet - together with many who would not be described as professionals at all. And that is OK!
Enjoy your weekend, Tony
On 05/11/2016, alex watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:;>> wrote:
maybe someone read it for him ;-)
On 5 Nov 2016 15:44, waudo siganga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:;>> wrote:
my brother Shem says in the article that he is supporting the bill
but
has NOT yet read it!
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