Coming Soon: Free Internet to Rural Areas (There is never a free ride)
Listers I'm really concerned about the continued silence of the Regulator regarding Zero-Rating of certain services bundled by telcos in this country in partnership with the big boys and girls of the Internet. Are we not clear how this continued silence and tacit approval of this practice that had basically been outlawed in their home countries is going to impact our nascent Internet economy? http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Free-Internet-to-rural-areas/-/996/2960730/... We deserve some action from the Communication Authority. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
Looking at it from the other side of the fence, the truth is that Internet service providers in Kenya including the Telcos have maintained the price of internet quite high even for the middle class living in urban areas. Most of us can only enjoy reliable internet in the office only. This is even after Kenya connected to at least 4 undersea cables. Given the prevailing circumstances there's no hope for reliable and affordable Internet to the rurals in the near future. This is with the benefits of Internet as demonstrated by research not withstanding. I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. In any case we in Nairobi and other urban areas will continue paying the unreasonable costs as we have been doing in the past. James On Nov 18, 2015 8:16 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
I'm really concerned about the continued silence of the Regulator regarding Zero-Rating of certain services bundled by telcos in this country in partnership with the big boys and girls of the Internet. Are we not clear how this continued silence and tacit approval of this practice that had basically been outlawed in their home countries is going to impact our nascent Internet economy?
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Free-Internet-to-rural-areas/-/996/2960730/...
We deserve some action from the Communication Authority.
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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I agree with Mr. Ali Hussein that there is never a free ride. Those big boys and girls of the Internet have seen an opportunity to profit from the lack of reliable and affordable Internet in rural areas. I don't know how they will profit but I am sure they have done their research. These people don't think short-term. They stand to gain in the long run. On the other hand, FREE Internet in rural areas?! Wow! Speaking as someone whose work involves a lot of heavy Internet use, and who has no office to access it through, this is very good news! I can even consider moving to these rural areas once the deal is up and running. I am sure there are many more people like me. Maybe this will promote urban-rural migration, thereby contributing to the development of rural areas? Regards, Mildred Achoch. Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com My tree-saving e-business card is here: http://twtbizcard.com/roffeke On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:52 AM, James Kagwe via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Looking at it from the other side of the fence, the truth is that Internet service providers in Kenya including the Telcos have maintained the price of internet quite high even for the middle class living in urban areas. Most of us can only enjoy reliable internet in the office only. This is even after Kenya connected to at least 4 undersea cables.
Given the prevailing circumstances there's no hope for reliable and affordable Internet to the rurals in the near future. This is with the benefits of Internet as demonstrated by research not withstanding. I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. In any case we in Nairobi and other urban areas will continue paying the unreasonable costs as we have been doing in the past.
James On Nov 18, 2015 8:16 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
I'm really concerned about the continued silence of the Regulator regarding Zero-Rating of certain services bundled by telcos in this country in partnership with the big boys and girls of the Internet. Are we not clear how this continued silence and tacit approval of this practice that had basically been outlawed in their home countries is going to impact our nascent Internet economy?
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Free-Internet-to-rural-areas/-/996/2960730/...
We deserve some action from the Communication Authority.
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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Mildred Zero-Rating means it's only free when accessing say Facebook. :-) Sorry, not as free as you think. And the business model is one based on advertising. It's instructive that Facebook for example uses ARPU as a key metric to track performance. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 18 Nov 2015, at 9:10 AM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with Mr. Ali Hussein that there is never a free ride. Those big boys and girls of the Internet have seen an opportunity to profit from the lack of reliable and affordable Internet in rural areas. I don't know how they will profit but I am sure they have done their research. These people don't think short-term. They stand to gain in the long run.
On the other hand, FREE Internet in rural areas?! Wow! Speaking as someone whose work involves a lot of heavy Internet use, and who has no office to access it through, this is very good news! I can even consider moving to these rural areas once the deal is up and running. I am sure there are many more people like me. Maybe this will promote urban-rural migration, thereby contributing to the development of rural areas?
Regards, Mildred Achoch.
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:52 AM, James Kagwe via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Looking at it from the other side of the fence, the truth is that Internet service providers in Kenya including the Telcos have maintained the price of internet quite high even for the middle class living in urban areas. Most of us can only enjoy reliable internet in the office only. This is even after Kenya connected to at least 4 undersea cables.
Given the prevailing circumstances there's no hope for reliable and affordable Internet to the rurals in the near future. This is with the benefits of Internet as demonstrated by research not withstanding. I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. In any case we in Nairobi and other urban areas will continue paying the unreasonable costs as we have been doing in the past.
James
On Nov 18, 2015 8:16 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers
I'm really concerned about the continued silence of the Regulator regarding Zero-Rating of certain services bundled by telcos in this country in partnership with the big boys and girls of the Internet. Are we not clear how this continued silence and tacit approval of this practice that had basically been outlawed in their home countries is going to impact our nascent Internet economy?
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Free-Internet-to-rural-areas/-/996/2960730/...
We deserve some action from the Communication Authority.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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Perhaps its time we start asking how far the government has gone in deploying NOFBI and its last mile connectivity. Universal access fund? We will continue facing these kind of net neutrality issues and other related problems because much of our internet access policies rely on mobile networks. On Nov 18, 2015 9:39 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Mildred
Zero-Rating means it's only free when accessing say Facebook. :-) Sorry, not as free as you think. And the business model is one based on advertising. It's instructive that Facebook for example uses ARPU as a key metric to track performance.
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On 18 Nov 2015, at 9:10 AM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with Mr. Ali Hussein that there is never a free ride. Those big boys and girls of the Internet have seen an opportunity to profit from the lack of reliable and affordable Internet in rural areas. I don't know how they will profit but I am sure they have done their research. These people don't think short-term. They stand to gain in the long run.
On the other hand, FREE Internet in rural areas?! Wow! Speaking as someone whose work involves a lot of heavy Internet use, and who has no office to access it through, this is very good news! I can even consider moving to these rural areas once the deal is up and running. I am sure there are many more people like me. Maybe this will promote urban-rural migration, thereby contributing to the development of rural areas?
Regards, Mildred Achoch.
Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com
My tree-saving e-business card is here: http://twtbizcard.com/roffeke
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:52 AM, James Kagwe via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Looking at it from the other side of the fence, the truth is that Internet service providers in Kenya including the Telcos have maintained the price of internet quite high even for the middle class living in urban areas. Most of us can only enjoy reliable internet in the office only. This is even after Kenya connected to at least 4 undersea cables.
Given the prevailing circumstances there's no hope for reliable and affordable Internet to the rurals in the near future. This is with the benefits of Internet as demonstrated by research not withstanding. I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. In any case we in Nairobi and other urban areas will continue paying the unreasonable costs as we have been doing in the past.
James On Nov 18, 2015 8:16 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
I'm really concerned about the continued silence of the Regulator regarding Zero-Rating of certain services bundled by telcos in this country in partnership with the big boys and girls of the Internet. Are we not clear how this continued silence and tacit approval of this practice that had basically been outlawed in their home countries is going to impact our nascent Internet economy?
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Free-Internet-to-rural-areas/-/996/2960730/...
We deserve some action from the Communication Authority.
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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Liz Thanks for making the connection between Net Neutrality and Universal Access. It's important that we address these issues. Ali Hussein Tel: +254 713 601113 On Nov 18, 2015 12:31 PM, "Liz Orembo" <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps its time we start asking how far the government has gone in deploying NOFBI and its last mile connectivity. Universal access fund?
We will continue facing these kind of net neutrality issues and other related problems because much of our internet access policies rely on mobile networks. On Nov 18, 2015 9:39 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Mildred
Zero-Rating means it's only free when accessing say Facebook. :-) Sorry, not as free as you think. And the business model is one based on advertising. It's instructive that Facebook for example uses ARPU as a key metric to track performance.
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On 18 Nov 2015, at 9:10 AM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with Mr. Ali Hussein that there is never a free ride. Those big boys and girls of the Internet have seen an opportunity to profit from the lack of reliable and affordable Internet in rural areas. I don't know how they will profit but I am sure they have done their research. These people don't think short-term. They stand to gain in the long run.
On the other hand, FREE Internet in rural areas?! Wow! Speaking as someone whose work involves a lot of heavy Internet use, and who has no office to access it through, this is very good news! I can even consider moving to these rural areas once the deal is up and running. I am sure there are many more people like me. Maybe this will promote urban-rural migration, thereby contributing to the development of rural areas?
Regards, Mildred Achoch.
Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:52 AM, James Kagwe via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Looking at it from the other side of the fence, the truth is that Internet service providers in Kenya including the Telcos have maintained the price of internet quite high even for the middle class living in urban areas. Most of us can only enjoy reliable internet in the office only. This is even after Kenya connected to at least 4 undersea cables.
Given the prevailing circumstances there's no hope for reliable and affordable Internet to the rurals in the near future. This is with the benefits of Internet as demonstrated by research not withstanding. I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. In any case we in Nairobi and other urban areas will continue paying the unreasonable costs as we have been doing in the past.
James On Nov 18, 2015 8:16 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
I'm really concerned about the continued silence of the Regulator regarding Zero-Rating of certain services bundled by telcos in this country in partnership with the big boys and girls of the Internet. Are we not clear how this continued silence and tacit approval of this practice that had basically been outlawed in their home countries is going to impact our nascent Internet economy?
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Free-Internet-to-rural-areas/-/996/2960730/...
We deserve some action from the Communication Authority.
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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This is extremely a 'slippery' topic to deal with. It is based on the 'walled garden' concept where you can access the shamba but pick what only I've planted there - might not have considered your welfare when planning on the garden and the crops there. Hence you have the option not to access my 'fenced garden' and live on or access my garden and specifically enjoy what I've there! Some people have argued that it is better to have some 'Internet', do note the quotation marks, to some areas of the Net like FB, Wikipedia than no Internet at all! Clearly this violate the net neutrality spirit, but then what it is the lesser evil? No Internet at all? What am I willing to pay or relinquish so that I can access the 'Free Basics'? Clearly there is nothing for free! Can the government step in and give the bare minimums for this offering? This might be my preferred approach - some 'free Internet' knowing well what it means, than no Internet at all. Leaving the whole thing unregulated is not very palatable to me....I think countries like India have chosen this route, stand to be corrected though. Best Regards, Davis M Onsakia "One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time." On 18 November 2015 at 12:31, Liz Orembo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Perhaps its time we start asking how far the government has gone in deploying NOFBI and its last mile connectivity. Universal access fund?
We will continue facing these kind of net neutrality issues and other related problems because much of our internet access policies rely on mobile networks. On Nov 18, 2015 9:39 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Mildred
Zero-Rating means it's only free when accessing say Facebook. :-) Sorry, not as free as you think. And the business model is one based on advertising. It's instructive that Facebook for example uses ARPU as a key metric to track performance.
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On 18 Nov 2015, at 9:10 AM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with Mr. Ali Hussein that there is never a free ride. Those big boys and girls of the Internet have seen an opportunity to profit from the lack of reliable and affordable Internet in rural areas. I don't know how they will profit but I am sure they have done their research. These people don't think short-term. They stand to gain in the long run.
On the other hand, FREE Internet in rural areas?! Wow! Speaking as someone whose work involves a lot of heavy Internet use, and who has no office to access it through, this is very good news! I can even consider moving to these rural areas once the deal is up and running. I am sure there are many more people like me. Maybe this will promote urban-rural migration, thereby contributing to the development of rural areas?
Regards, Mildred Achoch.
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:52 AM, James Kagwe via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Looking at it from the other side of the fence, the truth is that Internet service providers in Kenya including the Telcos have maintained the price of internet quite high even for the middle class living in urban areas. Most of us can only enjoy reliable internet in the office only. This is even after Kenya connected to at least 4 undersea cables.
Given the prevailing circumstances there's no hope for reliable and affordable Internet to the rurals in the near future. This is with the benefits of Internet as demonstrated by research not withstanding. I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. In any case we in Nairobi and other urban areas will continue paying the unreasonable costs as we have been doing in the past.
James On Nov 18, 2015 8:16 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
I'm really concerned about the continued silence of the Regulator regarding Zero-Rating of certain services bundled by telcos in this country in partnership with the big boys and girls of the Internet. Are we not clear how this continued silence and tacit approval of this practice that had basically been outlawed in their home countries is going to impact our nascent Internet economy?
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Free-Internet-to-rural-areas/-/996/2960730/...
We deserve some action from the Communication Authority.
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Net Neutrality and Zero Rating was the trending topic in this year's IGF in Brazil. People took sides depending on their interests. For example, a research in Asia revealed that zero rated services were an entry point for people who had no access to Internet, and those who used zero rated services went on and converted to paid users after seeing the benefits of the Internet. Another research shows that people don't use the Internet not because of the cost, but because they don't need it. Weird conclusion I can say. And some interesting facts is, in communities where zero rated services were the norm, the users did not know the difference between the Internet and Facebook. That is a major problem if you ask me. Another research that Mozilla Foundation was involved in found that when users are given Internet bundles, they accessed diverse types of websites, not just FB and Wikipedia. But the big question was, who funded these types of research? An interested party would of course ensure research results are tilted to their interests. All that not withstanding, we should pay keen interests to the following points, 1. Zero rating is illegal in most of Europe, And USA. Even in Brazil, zero rating is not acceptable. Ask yourself why. 2. Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) is a regulator and not a policy maker. Without policy on Net Neutrality, they have nothing to enforce thus leaving market players to their own devices, including abuse. Us the community, in an all inclusive manner should develop a Net Neutrality policy that can be adopted. 3. CA are usually given targets to ensure universal coverage of communication services. I am sure they are very happy to maintain the status quo since they will report zero rated services as a metric of increased access. This will be a big lie because they will have denied the rural folks access to the Internet. We all know one website is not the Internet. The best practice is to have the regulator pressure telcos increase rollout in under-served regions as part of their Universal Service obligations. 4. Zero rating infringes on fundamental human rights by denying users access to the Internet. It may be a conspiracy to keep developing countries in the darkness of the information age. Refer to point 1 above. 5. Let us advocate for universal coverage, better utilisation of USF, telecommunication infrastructure sharing, increased road coverage, accessible wayleaves and cable ducts, and affordable energy. All these will ensure the COST of internet comes down to a level where every citizen can afford. 6. Countries with no proper access to the Internet will find it difficult to participate in the Internet Economy. And isn't the entire world now an Internet economy? There is more, but these points are what comes to mind. (errors and omissions are mine, sent on the go using a handheld device. No zero rated service used) On Nov 18, 2015 12:51 PM, "Davis Onsakia via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is extremely a 'slippery' topic to deal with.
It is based on the 'walled garden' concept where you can access the shamba but pick what only I've planted there - might not have considered your welfare when planning on the garden and the crops there. Hence you have the option not to access my 'fenced garden' and live on or access my garden and specifically enjoy what I've there!
Some people have argued that it is better to have some 'Internet', do note the quotation marks, to some areas of the Net like FB, Wikipedia than no Internet at all! Clearly this violate the net neutrality spirit, but then what it is the lesser evil? No Internet at all? What am I willing to pay or relinquish so that I can access the 'Free Basics'? Clearly there is nothing for free! Can the government step in and give the bare minimums for this offering? This might be my preferred approach - some 'free Internet' knowing well what it means, than no Internet at all.
Leaving the whole thing unregulated is not very palatable to me....I think countries like India have chosen this route, stand to be corrected though.
Best Regards, Davis M Onsakia "One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time."
On 18 November 2015 at 12:31, Liz Orembo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Perhaps its time we start asking how far the government has gone in deploying NOFBI and its last mile connectivity. Universal access fund?
We will continue facing these kind of net neutrality issues and other related problems because much of our internet access policies rely on mobile networks. On Nov 18, 2015 9:39 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Mildred
Zero-Rating means it's only free when accessing say Facebook. :-) Sorry, not as free as you think. And the business model is one based on advertising. It's instructive that Facebook for example uses ARPU as a key metric to track performance.
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On 18 Nov 2015, at 9:10 AM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with Mr. Ali Hussein that there is never a free ride. Those big boys and girls of the Internet have seen an opportunity to profit from the lack of reliable and affordable Internet in rural areas. I don't know how they will profit but I am sure they have done their research. These people don't think short-term. They stand to gain in the long run.
On the other hand, FREE Internet in rural areas?! Wow! Speaking as someone whose work involves a lot of heavy Internet use, and who has no office to access it through, this is very good news! I can even consider moving to these rural areas once the deal is up and running. I am sure there are many more people like me. Maybe this will promote urban-rural migration, thereby contributing to the development of rural areas?
Regards, Mildred Achoch.
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:52 AM, James Kagwe via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Looking at it from the other side of the fence, the truth is that Internet service providers in Kenya including the Telcos have maintained the price of internet quite high even for the middle class living in urban areas. Most of us can only enjoy reliable internet in the office only. This is even after Kenya connected to at least 4 undersea cables.
Given the prevailing circumstances there's no hope for reliable and affordable Internet to the rurals in the near future. This is with the benefits of Internet as demonstrated by research not withstanding. I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. In any case we in Nairobi and other urban areas will continue paying the unreasonable costs as we have been doing in the past.
James On Nov 18, 2015 8:16 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
I'm really concerned about the continued silence of the Regulator regarding Zero-Rating of certain services bundled by telcos in this country in partnership with the big boys and girls of the Internet. Are we not clear how this continued silence and tacit approval of this practice that had basically been outlawed in their home countries is going to impact our nascent Internet economy?
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Free-Internet-to-rural-areas/-/996/2960730/...
We deserve some action from the Communication Authority.
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Good points @Mwendwa, Plse share the specific url that captures the IGF 2015 discussions on the same. regards. walu. From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Coming Soon: Free Internet to Rural Areas (There is never a free ride) Net Neutrality and Zero Rating was the trending topic in this year's IGF in Brazil. People took sides depending on their interests. For example, a research in Asia revealed that zero rated services were an entry point for people who had no access to Internet, and those who used zero rated services went on and converted to paid users after seeing the benefits of the Internet. Another research shows that people don't use the Internet not because of the cost, but because they don't need it. Weird conclusion I can say. And some interesting facts is, in communities where zero rated services were the norm, the users did not know the difference between the Internet and Facebook. That is a major problem if you ask me. Another research that Mozilla Foundation was involved in found that when users are given Internet bundles, they accessed diverse types of websites, not just FB and Wikipedia. But the big question was, who funded these types of research? An interested party would of course ensure research results are tilted to their interests.All that not withstanding, we should pay keen interests to the following points, 1. Zero rating is illegal in most of Europe, And USA. Even in Brazil, zero rating is not acceptable. Ask yourself why. 2. Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) is a regulator and not a policy maker. Without policy on Net Neutrality, they have nothing to enforce thus leaving market players to their own devices, including abuse. Us the community, in an all inclusive manner should develop a Net Neutrality policy that can be adopted. 3. CA are usually given targets to ensure universal coverage of communication services. I am sure they are very happy to maintain the status quo since they will report zero rated services as a metric of increased access. This will be a big lie because they will have denied the rural folks access to the Internet. We all know one website is not the Internet. The best practice is to have the regulator pressure telcos increase rollout in under-served regions as part of their Universal Service obligations. 4. Zero rating infringes on fundamental human rights by denying users access to the Internet. It may be a conspiracy to keep developing countries in the darkness of the information age. Refer to point 1 above. 5. Let us advocate for universal coverage, better utilisation of USF, telecommunication infrastructure sharing, increased road coverage, accessible wayleaves and cable ducts, and affordable energy. All these will ensure the COST of internet comes down to a level where every citizen can afford. 6. Countries with no proper access to the Internet will find it difficult to participate in the Internet Economy. And isn't the entire world now an Internet economy? There is more, but these points are what comes to mind.(errors and omissions are mine, sent on the go using a handheld device. No zero rated service used)On Nov 18, 2015 12:51 PM, "Davis Onsakia via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: This is extremely a 'slippery' topic to deal with. It is based on the 'walled garden' concept where you can access the shamba but pick what only I've planted there - might not have considered your welfare when planning on the garden and the crops there. Hence you have the option not to access my 'fenced garden' and live on or access my garden and specifically enjoy what I've there! Some people have argued that it is better to have some 'Internet', do note the quotation marks, to some areas of the Net like FB, Wikipedia than no Internet at all! Clearly this violate the net neutrality spirit, but then what it is the lesser evil? No Internet at all? What am I willing to pay or relinquish so that I can access the 'Free Basics'? Clearly there is nothing for free! Can the government step in and give the bare minimums for this offering? This might be my preferred approach - some 'free Internet' knowing well what it means, than no Internet at all. Leaving the whole thing unregulated is not very palatable to me....I think countries like India have chosen this route, stand to be corrected though. Best Regards, Davis M Onsakia "One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time." On 18 November 2015 at 12:31, Liz Orembo via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Perhaps its time we start asking how far the government has gone in deploying NOFBI and its last mile connectivity. Universal access fund?We will continue facing these kind of net neutrality issues and other related problems because much of our internet access policies rely on mobile networks.On Nov 18, 2015 9:39 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Mildred Zero-Rating means it's only free when accessing say Facebook. :-) Sorry, not as free as you think. And the business model is one based on advertising. It's instructive that Facebook for example uses ARPU as a key metric to track performance. Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2015, at 9:10 AM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I agree with Mr. Ali Hussein that there is never a free ride. Those big boys and girls of the Internet have seen an opportunity to profit from the lack of reliable and affordable Internet in rural areas. I don't know how they will profit but I am sure they have done their research. These people don't think short-term. They stand to gain in the long run. On the other hand, FREE Internet in rural areas?! Wow! Speaking as someone whose work involves a lot of heavy Internet use, and who has no office to access it through, this is very good news! I can even consider moving to these rural areas once the deal is up and running. I am sure there are many more people like me. Maybe this will promote urban-rural migration, thereby contributing to the development of rural areas? Regards, Mildred Achoch. Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com My tree-saving e-business card is here: http://twtbizcard.com/roffeke On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:52 AM, James Kagwe via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Looking at it from the other side of the fence, the truth is that Internet service providers in Kenya including the Telcos have maintained the price of internet quite high even for the middle class living in urban areas. Most of us can only enjoy reliable internet in the office only. This is even after Kenya connected to at least 4 undersea cables.Given the prevailing circumstances there's no hope for reliable and affordable Internet to the rurals in the near future. This is with the benefits of Internet as demonstrated by research not withstanding. I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. In any case we in Nairobi and other urban areas will continue paying the unreasonable costs as we have been doing in the past.JamesOn Nov 18, 2015 8:16 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers I'm really concerned about the continued silence of the Regulator regarding Zero-Rating of certain services bundled by telcos in this country in partnership with the big boys and girls of the Internet. Are we not clear how this continued silence and tacit approval of this practice that had basically been outlawed in their home countries is going to impact our nascent Internet economy? http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Free-Internet-to-rural-areas/-/996/2960730/... We deserve some action from the Communication Authority. 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Walu, Here are the transcipts from the IGF on zero rating, I'm not sure there is a report yet. A dialogue on "zero rating" and network neutrality Main Meeting Hall: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/187-igf-2015/transcripts-igf-2015/2457-2015-1... IGF summary by Diplo Foundation: http://digitalwatch.giplatform.org/sites/default/files/IGFReportWEB.pdf 2015 11 11 WS 197 Net neutrality: yes, no or maybe? Workshop Room 9: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/187-igf-2015/transcripts-igf-2015/2340-2015-1... 2015 11 11 WS156 Zero-rating and neutrality policies in developing countries Workshop Room: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/187-igf-2015/transcripts-igf-2015/2380-2015-1... Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 19 November 2015 at 08:24, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Good points @Mwendwa,
Plse share the specific url that captures the IGF 2015 discussions on the same.
regards.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:05 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Coming Soon: Free Internet to Rural Areas (There is never a free ride)
Net Neutrality and Zero Rating was the trending topic in this year's IGF in Brazil. People took sides depending on their interests. For example, a research in Asia revealed that zero rated services were an entry point for people who had no access to Internet, and those who used zero rated services went on and converted to paid users after seeing the benefits of the Internet. Another research shows that people don't use the Internet not because of the cost, but because they don't need it. Weird conclusion I can say. And some interesting facts is, in communities where zero rated services were the norm, the users did not know the difference between the Internet and Facebook. That is a major problem if you ask me. Another research that Mozilla Foundation was involved in found that when users are given Internet bundles, they accessed diverse types of websites, not just FB and Wikipedia. But the big question was, who funded these types of research? An interested party would of course ensure research results are tilted to their interests. All that not withstanding, we should pay keen interests to the following points, 1. Zero rating is illegal in most of Europe, And USA. Even in Brazil, zero rating is not acceptable. Ask yourself why. 2. Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) is a regulator and not a policy maker. Without policy on Net Neutrality, they have nothing to enforce thus leaving market players to their own devices, including abuse. Us the community, in an all inclusive manner should develop a Net Neutrality policy that can be adopted. 3. CA are usually given targets to ensure universal coverage of communication services. I am sure they are very happy to maintain the status quo since they will report zero rated services as a metric of increased access. This will be a big lie because they will have denied the rural folks access to the Internet. We all know one website is not the Internet. The best practice is to have the regulator pressure telcos increase rollout in under-served regions as part of their Universal Service obligations. 4. Zero rating infringes on fundamental human rights by denying users access to the Internet. It may be a conspiracy to keep developing countries in the darkness of the information age. Refer to point 1 above. 5. Let us advocate for universal coverage, better utilisation of USF, telecommunication infrastructure sharing, increased road coverage, accessible wayleaves and cable ducts, and affordable energy. All these will ensure the COST of internet comes down to a level where every citizen can afford. 6. Countries with no proper access to the Internet will find it difficult to participate in the Internet Economy. And isn't the entire world now an Internet economy? There is more, but these points are what comes to mind. (errors and omissions are mine, sent on the go using a handheld device. No zero rated service used) On Nov 18, 2015 12:51 PM, "Davis Onsakia via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is extremely a 'slippery' topic to deal with.
It is based on the 'walled garden' concept where you can access the shamba but pick what only I've planted there - might not have considered your welfare when planning on the garden and the crops there. Hence you have the option not to access my 'fenced garden' and live on or access my garden and specifically enjoy what I've there!
Some people have argued that it is better to have some 'Internet', do note the quotation marks, to some areas of the Net like FB, Wikipedia than no Internet at all! Clearly this violate the net neutrality spirit, but then what it is the lesser evil? No Internet at all? What am I willing to pay or relinquish so that I can access the 'Free Basics'? Clearly there is nothing for free! Can the government step in and give the bare minimums for this offering? This might be my preferred approach - some 'free Internet' knowing well what it means, than no Internet at all.
Leaving the whole thing unregulated is not very palatable to me....I think countries like India have chosen this route, stand to be corrected though.
Best Regards, Davis M Onsakia "One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time."
On 18 November 2015 at 12:31, Liz Orembo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Perhaps its time we start asking how far the government has gone in deploying NOFBI and its last mile connectivity. Universal access fund? We will continue facing these kind of net neutrality issues and other related problems because much of our internet access policies rely on mobile networks. On Nov 18, 2015 9:39 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Mildred
Zero-Rating means it's only free when accessing say Facebook. :-) Sorry, not as free as you think. And the business model is one based on advertising. It's instructive that Facebook for example uses ARPU as a key metric to track performance.
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On 18 Nov 2015, at 9:10 AM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with Mr. Ali Hussein that there is never a free ride. Those big boys and girls of the Internet have seen an opportunity to profit from the lack of reliable and affordable Internet in rural areas. I don't know how they will profit but I am sure they have done their research. These people don't think short-term. They stand to gain in the long run.
On the other hand, FREE Internet in rural areas?! Wow! Speaking as someone whose work involves a lot of heavy Internet use, and who has no office to access it through, this is very good news! I can even consider moving to these rural areas once the deal is up and running. I am sure there are many more people like me. Maybe this will promote urban-rural migration, thereby contributing to the development of rural areas?
Regards, Mildred Achoch.
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:52 AM, James Kagwe via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Looking at it from the other side of the fence, the truth is that Internet service providers in Kenya including the Telcos have maintained the price of internet quite high even for the middle class living in urban areas. Most of us can only enjoy reliable internet in the office only. This is even after Kenya connected to at least 4 undersea cables. Given the prevailing circumstances there's no hope for reliable and affordable Internet to the rurals in the near future. This is with the benefits of Internet as demonstrated by research not withstanding. I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. In any case we in Nairobi and other urban areas will continue paying the unreasonable costs as we have been doing in the past. James On Nov 18, 2015 8:16 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
I'm really concerned about the continued silence of the Regulator regarding Zero-Rating of certain services bundled by telcos in this country in partnership with the big boys and girls of the Internet. Are we not clear how this continued silence and tacit approval of this practice that had basically been outlawed in their home countries is going to impact our nascent Internet economy?
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Free-Internet-to-rural-areas/-/996/2960730/...
We deserve some action from the Communication Authority.
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James The bigger issue is why aren't the rural areas connected? This is where most economic activity happens. We keep on deluding ourselves that most economic activities happen in the cities. The other issue is that there really is nothing free in this world. Facebook needs eyeballs to drive their business model. And that model is primarily advertising. How do we encourage local content of all that is available on the 'free internet' is Facebook driven content? More importantly what happens to the Ma3Racers of the world if the market is skewed against them because they don't have the war chest of Facebook to enter into deals with telcos to offer zero-rated services? This Net Neutrality issue needs to be addressed by all stakeholders exhaustively otherwise the perception that the Regulator and Policy Makers either:- 1. Don't care about this issue 2. Or have no clue about what it is will continue to persist. And I will continue to be the Mad Man in the village. :-) Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 18 Nov 2015, at 8:52 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
Looking at it from the other side of the fence, the truth is that Internet service providers in Kenya including the Telcos have maintained the price of internet quite high even for the middle class living in urban areas. Most of us can only enjoy reliable internet in the office only. This is even after Kenya connected to at least 4 undersea cables.
Given the prevailing circumstances there's no hope for reliable and affordable Internet to the rurals in the near future. This is with the benefits of Internet as demonstrated by research not withstanding. I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. In any case we in Nairobi and other urban areas will continue paying the unreasonable costs as we have been doing in the past.
James
On Nov 18, 2015 8:16 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers
I'm really concerned about the continued silence of the Regulator regarding Zero-Rating of certain services bundled by telcos in this country in partnership with the big boys and girls of the Internet. Are we not clear how this continued silence and tacit approval of this practice that had basically been outlawed in their home countries is going to impact our nascent Internet economy?
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Free-Internet-to-rural-areas/-/996/2960730/...
We deserve some action from the Communication Authority.
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Hey, Just heard the Hon. MP Priscilla Nyokabi is to present the Access to Info Bill 2015 in parliament today. Not sure if the copy below is the correct one... http://info.mzalendo.com/media_root/file_archive/Access_to_Information_Bill_... Either way, gone are the days when we used to ventilate online on such important bills. Nowadays it seems discussions are held 'elsewhere' for some selected few :-) walu.nb: I know the common advise is that we can still submit comments directly to parliament, but experience shows that is often 'too little, too late'.
It seems the discussions took place abroad, what a shame, and blatant disregard of due processes to suit selfish interests. Regards On Nov 19, 2015 8:22 AM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hey,
Just heard the Hon. MP Priscilla Nyokabi is to present the Access to Info Bill 2015 in parliament today. Not sure if the copy below is the correct one...
http://info.mzalendo.com/media_root/file_archive/Access_to_Information_Bill_...
Either way, gone are the days when we used to ventilate online on such important bills. Nowadays it seems discussions are held 'elsewhere' for some selected few :-)
walu. nb: I know the common advise is that we can still submit comments directly to parliament, but experience shows that is often 'too little, too late'.
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My understanding is that Hon Nyokabi’s is a private member’s bill. The public participation pathway for that maybe a little different but I know she has held public engagements (limited obviously because of the resources available to a member) since last year. The private members bill was a route taken as an alternative to the public process which was taking too long. This may put some feet to the fire.
On 19 Nov 2015, at 10:19 AM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It seems the discussions took place abroad, what a shame, and blatant disregard of due processes to suit selfish interests.
Regards
On Nov 19, 2015 8:22 AM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Hey,
Just heard the Hon. MP Priscilla Nyokabi is to present the Access to Info Bill 2015 in parliament today. Not sure if the copy below is the correct one...
http://info.mzalendo.com/media_root/file_archive/Access_to_Information_Bill_... <http://info.mzalendo.com/media_root/file_archive/Access_to_Information_Bill_2015.pdf>
Either way, gone are the days when we used to ventilate online on such important bills. Nowadays it seems discussions are held 'elsewhere' for some selected few :-)
walu. nb: I know the common advise is that we can still submit comments directly to parliament, but experience shows that is often 'too little, too late'.
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Ali Hussein -
Barrack Otieno -
Davis Onsakia -
James Kagwe -
Liz Orembo -
Mildred Achoch -
Muchiri Nyaggah -
Mwendwa Kivuva -
Walubengo J