Holding our Leaders Accountable
All, I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss! Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country. I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians! Just my thoughts! LK ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using Communicatons Solutions LTD WebMail. " " http://www.accesskenya.com/
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever they fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers? Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival. ...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities. But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:- 1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT projects? 3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means poor or "stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver these politicians into the ICT world? It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-) Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in .... Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership the successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... ) So, I give credit where it is due? Alex Gakuru On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Dear All, Let me comment on this debate. Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras. My suggestion is we should invite them back not for a press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja. --- Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever they fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT projects? 3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means poor or "stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver these politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership the successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Thanks Mr Kanja In our background note to the presidential aspirants we had indicated that the debate would only seek to address WHAT , the visions and dreams and not HOW the technologies and strategies. At the level of WHAT we expect the leaders to handle ICT just like other issues like medical , agriculture which have a technical component but guided by a vision / dream etc We take note of your thoughts and perhaps we need to make it less formal as a start but ultimately we want them to come out clearly and state their stand on ICT , we recognise we have a duty to help them shape that vision Muriuki -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Kanja Waruru Sent: 17 May 2007 16:51 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Dear All, Let me comment on this debate. Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras. My suggestion is we should invite them back not for a press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja. --- Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever they fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT projects? 3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means poor or "stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver these politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership the successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Kanja, This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way! Kind Regards, On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not for a press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever they fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT projects? 3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means poor or "stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver these politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership the successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about. So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja --- Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
our aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
one page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Dear e-colleagues, As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one? Jim Rege Washington, D.C On 5/21/07 8:24 AM, "Judy Okite" <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not for a press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru < alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever they fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT projects? 3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means poor or "stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver these politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership the successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our
aspiring presidential
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
I am one for making strong statements, and a one
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani < lkimani@comnews.co.ke <mailto:lkimani@comnews.co.ke> > wrote: their attendance to a the country. page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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LK, u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said... Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward... walu. --- Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire. I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend? Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR - " We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us" As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT" We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents. Brian On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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From a political point of view - narrow as it maybe - the ICT constituency may not matter. 2 million urban, middle-class internet (ICT?)users, stuck between the two cities of Nairobi & Mombasa may not be worthy of national
Dear Listers, Now that I missed the great debate that almost was, I have had time to think 'brutal' by daring to ask the question-Does the ICT constituency matter? political consideration... So if I was a presidential candidate in .KE, you will forgive me if I concentrated on issues that the common man can identify with...land, tribalism, corruption, insecurity....unless ofcourse u get a way to give the above an ICT twist... walu. --- Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote:
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Walu, the flaw in your question is establishing the validity of ICT Constituency based on the "no show" of the politicians. Politicians are known for "no shows"as a face saving mechanism so i would rather that we deal with the "no show" tool which is what others are suggestion than revisit this settled debate on legitimacy and validity. Please, lets stick to the principle of people honouring their word when the give it. If they cannot for whatever reason, there are acceptable norms of disengaging. Eric here On 18 May 2007, at 11:28, John Walubengo wrote:
Dear Listers,
Now that I missed the great debate that almost was, I have had time to think 'brutal' by daring to ask the question-Does the ICT constituency matter?
From a political point of view - narrow as it maybe - the ICT constituency may not matter. 2 million urban, middle-class internet (ICT?)users, stuck between the two cities of Nairobi & Mombasa may not be worthy of national political consideration...
So if I was a presidential candidate in .KE, you will forgive me if I concentrated on issues that the common man can identify with...land, tribalism, corruption, insecurity....unless ofcourse u get a way to give the above an ICT twist...
walu. --- Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote:
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Eric and Walu, I post this long message to question how much "engagement" would make this constituency as important to our lawmakers as it is for their American counterparts. The excertps are on legislative, regulatory and industry developments in the US in the the last 10 days (courtesy of ISOC New York mailing list). What quality of discussion transpires between our legislators when they discuss ICTs with their counterparts over yonder? Kindly excuse the length but I wanted to prove with some data. Walu, bite in small pieces:-) Thxs Alex -------------------- May 17 HEARING TODAY ON BROADBAND MAPPING BILL [SOURCE: Broadcasting&Cable, AUTHOR: John Eggerton] The House Telecom & Internet Subcommittee will hold a hearing on a draft bill that would establish in law that "high-speed" Internet access means "transmission at speeds allowing the user to download not less than 2 megabits per second and upload not less than 1 megabit per second." Moreover, the legislation would require the National Telecommunications & Information Administration and the Federal Communications Commission to collect more, and more precise, data on the rollout of broadband service in the US. The FCC would collect the data, and NTIA would be charged with coming up with a map showing exactly where, and what kind of, broadband service was available. http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6442596.html?rssid=193 * For more on the hearing see http://energycommerce.house.gov/cmte_mtgs/110-ti-hrg.051707.Witness.list.pdf May 16, 2007 NY Sues Dell, Charges Bait And Switch By Roy Mark New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo accused Dell today of engaging in "bait and switch" financing tactics and ignoring service and warranty contracts. In a lawsuit filed in Albany, N.Y., Cuomo also charged the Texas computer maker with deceptive business practices involving rebates, billing and collection. Dell denied the accusations. Cuomo is seeking restitution to consumers, civil penalties and guarantees from Dell that it will not engage in any further "deceptive, illegal, and fraudulent practices." The state did not release details on financial damages it might seek. "At Dell, customer service means no service at all. Dell's consumers were intentionally misled, and they had to pay for that privilege," Cuomo said in a statement. "I hope this lawsuit sends a message to companies large and small that delivering a product is simply not enough -- the promises they make must be delivered as well." The lawsuit accuses Dell of attracting customers with advertising touting no interest or no early payment financing promotions. According to Cuomo, the "vast majority" of customers were denied the deals. Instead, Dell and DFS offered customers financing deals that often exceeded 20 percent. The lawsuit also claims DFS incorrectly billed consumers on canceled orders, returned merchandise or accounts they did not authorize Dell to open. Cuomo said those same customers were then harassed with illegal billing and collection calls. In addition, Cuomo alleges Dell repeatedly failed to provide timely on-site repair as promised in service contracts and discouraged customers from seeking technical support. The lawsuit claims Dell's New York customers calling the company's toll free support number were subjected to long wait times, frequent transfers and disconnections. In cases where on site service was provided, the lawsuit claims, Dell used defective "refurbished" parts or computers to repair or replace consumers' equipment. Dell (Quote)quickly responded with a statement denying the accusations. http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3678091 EQUAL OPPORTUNITY SPEEDWAY [SOURCE: BusinessWeek, AUTHOR: ] Speedy Internet connections once were considered perks for the privileged. Robust Net access was enjoyed by 30% of U.S. households as late as 2005, mostly in white homes. Meanwhile, so-called broadband adoption by blacks was a mere 14%, according to data from the Pew Internet & American Life Project. The resulting "digital divide" between white and black was considered a lasting socioeconomic problem--like the protracted disparity between black and white unemployment. But in the past two years, African Americans have been devouring broadband technology--and the digital divide has shrunk significantly, at least for this group. The share of black households with a cable modem, DSL, or satellite Internet connection climbed to 40% this year, Pew says. That's almost twice as fast as the growth of broadband penetration for the general population, which grew to 47%. The income gap has narrowed, too, but not as much: Households making less than $30,000 a year doubled their broadband participation, to 30%. That still pales next to 76% for households that have incomes of at least $75,000. Some of the closing of the racial divide can be traced to falling prices and rising availability of new technology. But that masks a deeper shift in the relationship of blacks to the Web. The Net today offers an abundance of entertainment riches--digital music, pictures, movies, video chat, games--that can be tailored to individual taste, not to mention services such as job networks and training. Gaining access to that killer content without broadband speeds would be like sucking hot fudge through a straw. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_21/b4035061.htm?campaign_id=... 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A proposal to build such a network has been presented by Frontline Wireless, a startup backed by three of Silicon Valley's biggest players: Venture capitalist John Doerr, Google angel investor Ram Sriram and one-time Netscape CEO James Barksdale. But Frontline will be bidding against behemoths like Cingular and Verizon, and whether it has a chance will be determined within the next few weeks, when the FCC sets the rules for the auction. The spectrum that's coming up for grabs is prime stuff: A large, low- frequency band that's currently being used by UHF television stations, which have been ordered to vacate it when broadcasting goes digital in February 2009. UHF may not be as good as VHF, which operates on even lower-frequency spectrum. But it has the ability to carry information through forests, buildings, even mountains, regardless of the weather, and that makes it ideal for broadband wireless, or for mobile-phone service. Ever wonder why Cingular and Verizon, the biggest and most successful U.S. carriers, can offer more reliable service than Sprint or T-Mobile? Because the big boys already own a large band of spectrum near the UHF band, while the little guys are stuck with spectrum that operates at double the frequency and is far less powerful as a result. <http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2007/05/uhf_spectrum> NATIONAL BROADBAND POLICY RANT [SOURCE: INTERNET.COM, AUTHOR: Mark Koskenmaki] [Commentary] Why do we need to know how many Americans subscribe to broadband services? Why would the mayor of my town, for instance, want to know? What public purpose would be served by expending resources to find out? Koskenmaki argues there is no reason. So why is the FCC and Congress in a dither about where broadband is available? If people want it, it will come. Just like grocery stores. If it won't, then the real question of consequence is: WHY? Is it not economically feasible? Is it physically not feasible? Is the actual demand enough to sustain the mechanism to provide the service? What artificial obstructions exist to providing broadband? There are only two choices: Either private enterprise fills the needs, like grocery stores door government takes over and "takes care of us" like they did with the telephone monopoly way back when. There is no "middle ground". For decades we paid absurdly high costs for phone services, and "innovation" and "change" did not even exist. Either we become ardent, vocal, and so persistent in our defense, insisting upon keeping free enterprise alive and the regulators the hell away...or we give up and admit that we prefer monopolies. http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/politics/2007/national_broadband_po... HEARING: BROADBAND MAPPING AND DATA COLLECTION [SOURCE: House of Representatives Commerce Committee] The House Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet will hold a Legislative Hearing on H.R.____, a Discussion Draft Addressing Broadband Mapping and Data Collection. Thursday May 17 at 2:00 p.m. in room 2322 Rayburn House Office Building http://energycommerce.house.gov/membios/schedule.shtml "NATIONAL" BROADBAND PLAN A STALKING HORSE FOR REGULATING INTERNET [SOURCE: Scott Cleland] [Commentary] A "national broadband plan" is a codeword for a 1970's-style government "industrial policy" where the government decides what technologies consumers get and which companies will succeed of fail. By arbitrarily choosing speeds and arbitrarily setting timetables for deployment, the government is setting itself up to take a much more proactive and interventionist role in heavily regulating and managing broadband competition into a utility-like system. http://www.precursorblog.com/node/389 SENATOR ROCKEFELLER INTRODUCES BROADBAND RESOLUTION [SOURCE: TMCNet, AUTHOR: Greg Galitzine] Senator John D. Rockefeller IV has introduced a resolution calling for the creation of a National Broadband Policy with the goal of becoming a "100 Megabit Nation" by 2015. Sen Rockefeller believes that, "A national broadband policy is critical to the future of our country," and, "would provide a tremendous social and economic benefit," to all Americans. He cited popular video and social networking sites such as YouTube and MySpace and how they have become such integral parts of society. He stressed that those popular sites are just scratching the surface when it comes to the transformational power of broadband. Sen Rockefeller proposed a roadmap towards establishing a set of goals. "The first step in going somewhere is to know where you are going, and the same is true in public policy." By the end of 2007, we should establish a national goal and pass a series of policy actions designed to achieve our national goal. There will likely be multiple parts to the plan, and we will likely need to modify those parts over time. But if we do not have a plan, we cannot expect to accomplish our goal." Sen Rockefeller suggests policy actions such as tax incentives to spur the private sector to act more aggressively in pursuit of this goal. He believes that Government should offer low-interest loans, and he calls for reform of the Universal Service Fund to encourage broadband deployment. http://internetcommunications.tmcnet.com/topics/broadband-mobile/articles/67... 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During the 2004 elections, President Bush courageously called for universal broadband by the year 2007, but no plan ever materialized. Now, presidential candidates once again promise to expand affordable access to broadband. But talk is cheap. Candidates who expect the black vote should be prepared to offer real policy solutions to solve real problems. Moore argues 1) for funding community technology centers, 2) against Network Neutrality, and 3) in support of continuing E-rate funding. http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070511/OPINION/705110384/103... * NAACP Inconsistent on Broadband http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/83745 FREE-INTERNET PLAN GETS SF CONTROLLER'S OFFICE OK [SOURCE: San Francisco Chronicle, AUTHOR: Ryan Kim] The San Francisco controller's office issued a favorable review Friday on a proposal by EarthLink and Google to provide the city with free wireless Internet access. The report estimates residents could save $9 million to $18 million in Internet bills annually by having the option of choosing the EarthLink service, which will offer free access as well as a paid service that is cheaper than other broadband options like DSL and cable. The report said the service will help the city bridge the digital divide, providing many residents with Internet service for the first time. It also noted it would be a boon to EarthLink, giving it a foothold in the San Francisco broadband market. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/05/12/BUG6FPPLB21.DTL&type=tech USDA ANNOUNCES NEW PROPOSED RULES FOR BROADBAND IN RURAL COMMUNITIES [SOURCE: US Department of Agriculture] On Friday, Agriculture Under Secretary for Rural Development Thomas C. Dorr announced the publication of new proposed rules designed to facilitate the further deployment of broadband services to rural communities nationwide. Key elements include: 1) Promoting deployment to rural areas with little or no service; 2) Ensuring that residents in funded areas get broadband access more quickly; 3) Limiting funding in urban areas and areas where a significant share of the market is served by incumbent providers; 4) Clarifying and streamlining equity and marketing survey requirements; 5) Increasing the transparency of the application process, including legal notice requirements, to make more informed lending/borrowing decisions; 6) Promoting a better understanding of all application requirements, including market survey, competitive analysis, business plan, and system design requirements; and 7) ensuring that projects funding are keeping pace with increasing demand for bandwidth. http://www.dailywireless.org/2007/05/14/rural-broadband-gets-a-plan/ On 5/18/07, Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org> wrote:
Walu, the flaw in your question is establishing the validity of ICT Constituency based on the "no show" of the politicians. Politicians are known for "no shows"as a face saving mechanism so i would rather that we deal with the "no show" tool which is what others are suggestion than revisit this settled debate on legitimacy and validity.
Please, lets stick to the principle of people honouring their word when the give it. If they cannot for whatever reason, there are acceptable norms of disengaging.
Eric here
On 18 May 2007, at 11:28, John Walubengo wrote:
Dear Listers,
Now that I missed the great debate that almost was, I have had time to think 'brutal' by daring to ask the question-Does the ICT constituency matter?
From a political point of view - narrow as it maybe - the
ICT constituency may not matter. 2 million urban, middle-class internet (ICT?)users, stuck between the two cities of Nairobi & Mombasa may not be worthy of national political consideration...
So if I was a presidential candidate in .KE, you will forgive me if I concentrated on issues that the common man can identify with...land, tribalism, corruption, insecurity....unless ofcourse u get a way to give the above an ICT twist...
walu. --- Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote:
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt
attend
the function and would like to know who really turned
up
from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky
could
give us a brief the old way in form of
minutes/updates/etc?
Then from there the absentees like me could contribute
more
intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need
to
start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend
a
function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say
about
ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page
ad
expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are
scared
of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each
of
them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to
start
demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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From a political point of view - narrow as it maybe - the ICT constituency may not matter. 2 million urban, middle-class internet (ICT?)users, stuck between the two cities of Nairobi & Mombasa may not be worthy of national
Walu thank you for your candid question Indeed as we conceived this project, this is what we needed to know and hopefully get an answer What is the positioning of ICT in the body politic- for how long will it be a technical issue , is there a development value to ICT. Even if voting power of ICT fraternity is low, what contribution can they make to answer the development agenda of economic growth etc The debate and the outcome !! gives us mirror to tell us how ICT is perceived and how to strategise to change that perception Muriuki -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of John Walubengo Sent: 18 May 2007 11:29 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Does the ICT constituency matter? Dear Listers, Now that I missed the great debate that almost was, I have had time to think 'brutal' by daring to ask the question-Does the ICT constituency matter? political consideration... So if I was a presidential candidate in .KE, you will forgive me if I concentrated on issues that the common man can identify with...land, tribalism, corruption, insecurity....unless ofcourse u get a way to give the above an ICT twist... walu. --- Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote:
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Many thanks for the comments that have come through the list . it shows the dynamism of the ICT fraternity . The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter. This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round . The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire. I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend? Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR - " We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us" As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT" We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents. Brian On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote:
Many thanks for the comments that have come through the list . it shows the dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Many thanks for the comments that have come through the list . it shows
Alice, As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items? Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Many thanks for the comments that have come through the list . it shows
KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue. "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alice, As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items? Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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No, We have the "Shopping Mall" to which entry is supposed to be free. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord. Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP ... you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so .. We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content. The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.). KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated. Kai _____ From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue. "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alice, As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items? Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Kai, Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the local content effort. Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours. In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for the effort. If you terms appeal to me, I may actually hire some space but if they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out loud. This is the best self-regulation I know. Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated" stand out. Regards, Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } No, We have the Shopping Mall to which entry is supposed to be free. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord. Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP .. you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so .. We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content. The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.). KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated. Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue. "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alice, As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items? Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Alex, The preferred model would be a revenue share .. not fixed rent .. So why don't you start for now? Kai _____ From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 13:54 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Kai, Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the local content effort. Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours. In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for the effort. If you terms appeal to me, I may actually hire some space but if they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out loud. This is the best self-regulation I know. Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated" stand out. Regards, Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: No, We have the "Shopping Mall" to which entry is supposed to be free. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord. Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP ... you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so .. We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content. The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.). KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated. Kai _____ From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue. "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alice, As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items? Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Many thanks for the comments that have come through the list . it shows
Unfortunately my culture prevents me from negotiating on "a goat that is still locked up in the goat pen" else I may end up stuck with one without teeth. Also in marriage, we normally send young men "spies" to the girl's home to check on her family history before wazee later go to pay dowry to cement the relationship. I excuse because you are German, but you understand entering into negotiations without first ascertaining the finer details jeopardizes my business culture norms. Kindly publish comprehensive terms to enable me to first study them and determine if they suit my needs. Thanks. But for your immediate business, talk to international mirror services companies such as akamai, sourceforge, etc and get a Kenya-hosted mirror server peered to KIXP here http://ceb.sourceforge.net/private-properties.html#sourceforge.mirrors Kenyan download users will experience extremely fast download speeds, save KDN on international traffic and you will get cash from the those companies and advertisers at your portal. Maybe talk with Michuki of KENIC on akamai clusters. Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Alex, The preferred model would be a revenue share .. not fixed rent .. So why dont you start for now? Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 13:54 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Kai, Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the local content effort. Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours. In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for the effort. If you terms appeal to me, I may actually hire some space but if they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out loud. This is the best self-regulation I know. Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated" stand out. Regards, Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: No, We have the Shopping Mall to which entry is supposed to be free. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord. Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP .. you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so .. We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content. The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.). KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated. Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue. "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alice, As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items? Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Many thanks for the comments that have come through the list . it shows
You see Alex . I leave the talking to the content providers and ISPs. They have to come and propose to me if they like the way I look .. Maybe they can even tell me what to wear as the bride .. Please understand, we listen to the market and saw a need for an infrastructure that can provide free access to the masses. I have an idea what could be done with the infrastructure but asking KDN to DO IT is asking us to go against our believes! I usually complain that the market does not give us sufficient direction and I would like to repeat this here. You see, we commit large amounts of money into infrastructure projects in the hope of uptake of services. Since we can't dictate the services provided on this infrastructure we are at the mercy of those service providers and their customers. The basic terms will be: Whatever someone wants to provide as free content, will be free (no KDN charge), whatever is charged, KDN will charge a percentage. Since there are millions of business cases possible, I propose we stop the arrange marriage culture and get to know each other first before having the first kiss or more. My aim is not to make you drunk and slip you roofies .. since you know where my house is! And thank you for forgiving me that I am German and that I believe all business is mutual and based on rust and handshake .. I don't think I will grow old enough to change that! Kai _____ From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 14:48 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Unfortunately my culture prevents me from negotiating on "a goat that is still locked up in the goat pen" else I may end up stuck with one without teeth. Also in marriage, we normally send young men "spies" to the girl's home to check on her family history before wazee later go to pay dowry to cement the relationship. I excuse because you are German, but you understand entering into negotiations without first ascertaining the finer details jeopardizes my business culture norms. Kindly publish comprehensive terms to enable me to first study them and determine if they suit my needs. Thanks. But for your immediate business, talk to international mirror services companies such as akamai, sourceforge, etc and get a Kenya-hosted mirror server peered to KIXP here http://ceb.sourceforge.net/private-properties.html#sourceforge.mirrors Kenyan download users will experience extremely fast download speeds, save KDN on international traffic and you will get cash from the those companies and advertisers at your portal. Maybe talk with Michuki of KENIC on akamai clusters. Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alex, The preferred model would be a revenue share .. not fixed rent .. So why don't you start for now? Kai _____ From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 13:54 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Kai, Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the local content effort. Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours. In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for the effort. If you terms appeal to me, I may actually hire some space but if they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out loud. This is the best self-regulation I know. Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated" stand out. Regards, Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: No, We have the "Shopping Mall" to which entry is supposed to be free. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord. Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP ... you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so .. We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content. The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.). KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated. Kai _____ From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue. "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alice, As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items? Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Just took you on your FREE hosting offer. Made this public because it belongs to every Kenyan. I am looking for members comments, critique, and support. Commercial proposals will be made off list after, if and when this first successfully takes off. Consider this a proposal. Abstract: Leaders often remind us that all 42 Kenyan communities must be represented. When one gets serious counting the 42 communities, they often run out of the communities after counting 15-25. This idea was first discussed at INET06 early last year in Nairobi. Echoing the need for the cultural portals, a Nigerian participant reported that one of their smallest tribes culture is threatened with extinction and applauded the idea. One of their smallest tribe, with only 20,000 members, was said to be losing fast to intermarriages. This free cultural information portal aims to research, digitise, and preserve these communities cultures and share it with the world. Local Internet demand will be catalysed benefiting connectivity, universal access, grassroots digital villages, and national e-readiness. Germans et .al. will better grasp our rich diverse cultural heritage. The project is in line with the National ICT Policy of using ICTs to preserve the culture of Kenya. Project: Kenya Cultural Wiki Theme: Celebration of Diversity Copyright: President of the Republic of Kenya (Culture a national asset ) Repository: Speaker, National Assembly of Kenya (legislative ownership/ protection against cultural plagiarism) Funding: Industry, Government, and well-wishers Admin: ICT Consumers Association of Kenya appointees Hosting: Courtesy of Kenya Data Networks Implementation Synopsis: Sources of data: National Museums of Kenya, National Archives, Community leaders . Data Input: Digital Villages such as Kimathi Digital Village- Nairobi, Subukia Digital Village Rift Valley, Coast Manu Chandaria Funded, other operational digital villages. Youth to be compensated for their data entry work, elders interviews, video and audio clips. Media houses to donate cultural clips (instead of destroying them after 30 days). Populisation: -To select famous persons, popular folk tales, stories, medicinal plants and roots such as mukombero http://www.nationaudio.com/News/DailyNation/Supplements/horizon/20112003/sto... etc - Annual cultural nights festivals . Information MoVs: - Tribal Representations: MPs to ensure all their constituents tribes presence on the portal - Information verification by Ministry of Culture . - Museums, Archives Question: Will KDN host this portal for free then I can embark on fund raising for the project? "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } You see Alex I leave the talking to the content providers and ISPs. They have to come and propose to me if they like the way I look .. Maybe they can even tell me what to wear as the bride . Please understand, we listen to the market and saw a need for an infrastructure that can provide free access to the masses. I have an idea what could be done with the infrastructure but asking KDN to DO IT is asking us to go against our believes! I usually complain that the market does not give us sufficient direction and I would like to repeat this here. You see, we commit large amounts of money into infrastructure projects in the hope of uptake of services. Since we cant dictate the services provided on this infrastructure we are at the mercy of those service providers and their customers. The basic terms will be: Whatever someone wants to provide as free content, will be free (no KDN charge), whatever is charged, KDN will charge a percentage. Since there are millions of business cases possible, I propose we stop the arrange marriage culture and get to know each other first before having the first kiss or more. My aim is not to make you drunk and slip you roofies .. since you know where my house is! And thank you for forgiving me that I am German and that I believe all business is mutual and based on rust and handshake .. I dont think I will grow old enough to change that! Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 14:48 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Unfortunately my culture prevents me from negotiating on "a goat that is still locked up in the goat pen" else I may end up stuck with one without teeth. Also in marriage, we normally send young men "spies" to the girl's home to check on her family history before wazee later go to pay dowry to cement the relationship. I excuse because you are German, but you understand entering into negotiations without first ascertaining the finer details jeopardizes my business culture norms. Kindly publish comprehensive terms to enable me to first study them and determine if they suit my needs. Thanks. But for your immediate business, talk to international mirror services companies such as akamai, sourceforge, etc and get a Kenya-hosted mirror server peered to KIXP here http://ceb.sourceforge.net/private-properties.html#sourceforge.mirrors Kenyan download users will experience extremely fast download speeds, save KDN on international traffic and you will get cash from the those companies and advertisers at your portal. Maybe talk with Michuki of KENIC on akamai clusters. Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alex, The preferred model would be a revenue share .. not fixed rent .. So why dont you start for now? Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 13:54 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Kai, Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the local content effort. Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours. In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for the effort. If you terms appeal to me, I may actually hire some space but if they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out loud. This is the best self-regulation I know. Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated" stand out. Regards, Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: No, We have the Shopping Mall to which entry is supposed to be free. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord. Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP .. you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so .. We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content. The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.). KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated. Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue. "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alice, As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items? Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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YES Please note, hosting is for Kenyan Traffic, International access needs to be discussed technically. Kai _____ From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 21:02 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Just took you on your FREE hosting offer. Made this public because it belongs to every Kenyan. I am looking for members' comments, critique, and support. Commercial proposals will be made off list after, if and when this first successfully takes off. Consider this a proposal. Abstract: Leaders often remind us that all 42 Kenyan communities must be represented. When one gets serious counting the 42 communities, they often run out of the communities after counting 15-25. This idea was first discussed at INET06 early last year in Nairobi. Echoing the need for the cultural portals, a Nigerian participant reported that one of their smallest tribes culture is threatened with extinction and applauded the idea. One of their smallest tribe, with only 20,000 members, was said to be losing fast to intermarriages. This free cultural information portal aims to research, digitise, and preserve these communities cultures and share it with the world. Local Internet demand will be catalysed benefiting connectivity, universal access, grassroots digital villages, and national e-readiness. Germans et .al. will better grasp our rich diverse cultural heritage. The project is in line with the National ICT Policy of using ICTs to preserve the culture of Kenya. Project: Kenya Cultural Wiki Theme: Celebration of Diversity Copyright: President of the Republic of Kenya (Culture a national asset ) Repository: Speaker, National Assembly of Kenya (legislative ownership/ protection against cultural plagiarism) Funding: Industry, Government, and well-wishers Admin: ICT Consumers Association of Kenya appointees Hosting: Courtesy of Kenya Data Networks Implementation Synopsis: Sources of data: National Museums of Kenya, National Archives, Community leaders .. Data Input: Digital Villages such as Kimathi Digital Village- Nairobi, Subukia Digital Village -Rift Valley, Coast -Manu Chandaria Funded, other operational digital villages. Youth to be compensated for their data entry work, elders' interviews, video and audio clips. Media houses to donate cultural clips (instead of destroying them after 30 days). Populisation: -To select famous persons, popular folk tales, stories, medicinal plants and roots such as mukombero http://www.nationaudio.com/News/DailyNation/Supplements/horizon/20112003/sto ry20112.htm etc - Annual cultural nights festivals .. Information MoVs: - Tribal Representations: MPs to ensure all their constituents tribes presence on the portal - Information verification by Ministry of Culture.. - Museums, Archives Question: Will KDN host this portal for free then I can embark on fund raising for the project? "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: You see Alex . I leave the talking to the content providers and ISPs. They have to come and propose to me if they like the way I look .. Maybe they can even tell me what to wear as the bride .. Please understand, we listen to the market and saw a need for an infrastructure that can provide free access to the masses. I have an idea what could be done with the infrastructure but asking KDN to DO IT is asking us to go against our believes! I usually complain that the market does not give us sufficient direction and I would like to repeat this here. You see, we commit large amounts of money into infrastructure projects in the hope of uptake of services. Since we can't dictate the services provided on this infrastructure we are at the mercy of those service providers and their customers. The basic terms will be: Whatever someone wants to provide as free content, will be free (no KDN charge), whatever is charged, KDN will charge a percentage. Since there are millions of business cases possible, I propose we stop the arrange marriage culture and get to know each other first before having the first kiss or more. My aim is not to make you drunk and slip you roofies .. since you know where my house is! And thank you for forgiving me that I am German and that I believe all business is mutual and based on rust and handshake .. I don't think I will grow old enough to change that! Kai _____ From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 14:48 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Unfortunately my culture prevents me from negotiating on "a goat that is still locked up in the goat pen" else I may end up stuck with one without teeth. Also in marriage, we normally send young men "spies" to the girl's home to check on her family history before wazee later go to pay dowry to cement the relationship. I excuse because you are German, but you understand entering into negotiations without first ascertaining the finer details jeopardizes my business culture norms. Kindly publish comprehensive terms to enable me to first study them and determine if they suit my needs. Thanks. But for your immediate business, talk to international mirror services companies such as akamai, sourceforge, etc and get a Kenya-hosted mirror server peered to KIXP here http://ceb.sourceforge.net/private-properties.html#sourceforge.mirrors Kenyan download users will experience extremely fast download speeds, save KDN on international traffic and you will get cash from the those companies and advertisers at your portal. Maybe talk with Michuki of KENIC on akamai clusters. Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alex, The preferred model would be a revenue share .. not fixed rent .. So why don't you start for now? Kai _____ From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 13:54 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Kai, Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the local content effort. Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours. In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for the effort. If you terms appeal to me, I may actually hire some space but if they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out loud. This is the best self-regulation I know. Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated" stand out. Regards, Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: No, We have the "Shopping Mall" to which entry is supposed to be free. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord. Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP ... you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so .. We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content. The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.). KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated. Kai _____ From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue. "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alice, As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items? Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Thank you Kai. International bits understood. Will now follow-up with finer details off-list. Sincerely, Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } YES Please note, hosting is for Kenyan Traffic, International access needs to be discussed technically. Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 21:02 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Just took you on your FREE hosting offer. Made this public because it belongs to every Kenyan. I am looking for members comments, critique, and support. Commercial proposals will be made off list after, if and when this first successfully takes off. Consider this a proposal. Abstract: Leaders often remind us that all 42 Kenyan communities must be represented. When one gets serious counting the 42 communities, they often run out of the communities after counting 15-25. This idea was first discussed at INET06 early last year in Nairobi. Echoing the need for the cultural portals, a Nigerian participant reported that one of their smallest tribes culture is threatened with extinction and applauded the idea. One of their smallest tribe, with only 20,000 members, was said to be losing fast to intermarriages. This free cultural information portal aims to research, digitise, and preserve these communities cultures and share it with the world. Local Internet demand will be catalysed benefiting connectivity, universal access, grassroots digital villages, and national e-readiness. Germans et .al. will better grasp our rich diverse cultural heritage. The project is in line with the National ICT Policy of using ICTs to preserve the culture of Kenya. Project: Kenya Cultural Wiki Theme: Celebration of Diversity Copyright: President of the Republic of Kenya (Culture a national asset ) Repository: Speaker, National Assembly of Kenya (legislative ownership/ protection against cultural plagiarism) Funding: Industry, Government, and well-wishers Admin: ICT Consumers Association of Kenya appointees Hosting: Courtesy of Kenya Data Networks Implementation Synopsis: Sources of data: National Museums of Kenya, National Archives, Community leaders . Data Input: Digital Villages such as Kimathi Digital Village- Nairobi, Subukia Digital Village Rift Valley, Coast Manu Chandaria Funded, other operational digital villages. Youth to be compensated for their data entry work, elders interviews, video and audio clips. Media houses to donate cultural clips (instead of destroying them after 30 days). Populisation: -To select famous persons, popular folk tales, stories, medicinal plants and roots such as mukombero http://www.nationaudio.com/News/DailyNation/Supplements/horizon/20112003/sto... etc - Annual cultural nights festivals . Information MoVs: - Tribal Representations: MPs to ensure all their constituents tribes presence on the portal - Information verification by Ministry of Culture . - Museums, Archives Question: Will KDN host this portal for free then I can embark on fund raising for the project? "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: You see Alex I leave the talking to the content providers and ISPs. They have to come and propose to me if they like the way I look .. Maybe they can even tell me what to wear as the bride . Please understand, we listen to the market and saw a need for an infrastructure that can provide free access to the masses. I have an idea what could be done with the infrastructure but asking KDN to DO IT is asking us to go against our believes! I usually complain that the market does not give us sufficient direction and I would like to repeat this here. You see, we commit large amounts of money into infrastructure projects in the hope of uptake of services. Since we cant dictate the services provided on this infrastructure we are at the mercy of those service providers and their customers. The basic terms will be: Whatever someone wants to provide as free content, will be free (no KDN charge), whatever is charged, KDN will charge a percentage. Since there are millions of business cases possible, I propose we stop the arrange marriage culture and get to know each other first before having the first kiss or more. My aim is not to make you drunk and slip you roofies .. since you know where my house is! And thank you for forgiving me that I am German and that I believe all business is mutual and based on rust and handshake .. I dont think I will grow old enough to change that! Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 14:48 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Unfortunately my culture prevents me from negotiating on "a goat that is still locked up in the goat pen" else I may end up stuck with one without teeth. Also in marriage, we normally send young men "spies" to the girl's home to check on her family history before wazee later go to pay dowry to cement the relationship. I excuse because you are German, but you understand entering into negotiations without first ascertaining the finer details jeopardizes my business culture norms. Kindly publish comprehensive terms to enable me to first study them and determine if they suit my needs. Thanks. But for your immediate business, talk to international mirror services companies such as akamai, sourceforge, etc and get a Kenya-hosted mirror server peered to KIXP here http://ceb.sourceforge.net/private-properties.html#sourceforge.mirrors Kenyan download users will experience extremely fast download speeds, save KDN on international traffic and you will get cash from the those companies and advertisers at your portal. Maybe talk with Michuki of KENIC on akamai clusters. Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alex, The preferred model would be a revenue share .. not fixed rent .. So why dont you start for now? Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 13:54 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Kai, Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the local content effort. Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours. In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for the effort. If you terms appeal to me, I may actually hire some space but if they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out loud. This is the best self-regulation I know. Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated" stand out. Regards, Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: No, We have the Shopping Mall to which entry is supposed to be free. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord. Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP .. you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so .. We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content. The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.). KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated. Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue. "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alice, As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items? Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
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I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Gentlemen, this is becoming a trade negotiation and i would submit that you consider other interests in terms of the use of this platform. Thank you. On 19 May 2007, at 15:10, Kai U. Wulff wrote:
You see Alex …
I leave the talking to the content providers and ISPs. They have to come and propose to me if they like the way I look .. Maybe they can even tell me what to wear as the bride ….
Please understand, we listen to the market and saw a need for an infrastructure that can provide free access to the masses. I have an idea what could be done with the infrastructure but asking KDN to DO IT is asking us to go against our believes!
I usually complain that the market does not give us sufficient direction and I would like to repeat this here. You see, we commit large amounts of money into infrastructure projects in the hope of uptake of services. Since we can’t dictate the services provided on this infrastructure we are at the mercy of those service providers and their customers.
The basic terms will be: Whatever someone wants to provide as free content, will be free (no KDN charge), whatever is charged, KDN will charge a percentage. Since there are millions of business cases possible, I propose we stop the arrange marriage culture and get to know each other first before having the first kiss or more. My aim is not to make you drunk and slip you roofies .. since you know where my house is!
And thank you for forgiving me that I am German and that I believe all business is mutual and based on rust and handshake .. I don’t think I will grow old enough to change that!
Kai
From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 14:48 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Unfortunately my culture prevents me from negotiating on "a goat that is still locked up in the goat pen" else I may end up stuck with one without teeth.
Also in marriage, we normally send young men "spies" to the girl's home to check on her family history before wazee later go to pay dowry to cement the relationship.
I excuse because you are German, but you understand entering into negotiations without first ascertaining the finer details jeopardizes my business culture norms. Kindly publish comprehensive terms to enable me to first study them and determine if they suit my needs. Thanks.
But for your immediate business, talk to international mirror services companies such as akamai, sourceforge, etc and get a Kenya-hosted mirror server peered to KIXP here http:// ceb.sourceforge.net/private-properties.html#sourceforge.mirrors
Kenyan download users will experience extremely fast download speeds, save KDN on international traffic and you will get cash from the those companies and advertisers at your portal. Maybe talk with Michuki of KENIC on akamai clusters.
Alex
"Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
Alex,
The preferred model would be a revenue share .. not fixed rent .. So why don’t you start for now?
Kai
From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 13:54 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Kai,
Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the local content effort.
Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours.
In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for the effort.
If you terms appeal to me, I may actually hire some space but if they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out loud. This is the best self-regulation I know.
Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated" stand out.
Regards,
Alex
"Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
No,
We have the “Shopping Mall” to which entry is supposed to be free. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord.
Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP ….. you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so ..
We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content.
The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.).
KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated.
Kai
From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue.
"Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
Alice,
As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items?
Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context.
best alice
Many thanks for the comments that have come through the list . it shows
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place
Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the the ICT
agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces +mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces +mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Many thanks for the comments that have come through the list . it shows
I am obliged to respond to Erics concerns. In the just concluded CCK discussions, we lamented over absent internet education, may be pointing fingers here and there, but in the end did we propose tangible HOW-TOs? There are genuine local content concerns and fears on what TEAMS fibre will facilitate to flow, therefore see this as one local content build-up initiative. It a non-profit activity, unfounded this far, meant to educate by involving ordinary individuals, especially those farthest from Nairobi. It shall contribute in making the internet more relevant and useful to local community. It will significantly boost demand for internet thereby benefiting every ecosystem member. In fact, now the fear is on international traffic requests, this circuit could end up costly and hurting KDNs education-demand contribution. Eric, you also know I am always fighting with KDN on a range of issues but I am afraid I agree with them on this one. On this background setting, I felt there was a need to be totally e-list transparent on this transaction, needless to no individual could claim to own the content. Dr. Ndemo is in record expressing a concern who would own the rights to cultural content on the web citing Kikuyu Ngurario. Excuse my perception, but I always consider KICTnet to be the convergence hyde and hide park where anyone says *anything* with every contribution founded on the common beliefs intersection that they can contribute to the list vision and mission: - Vision: "To become the focal point for building multi-stakeholder consensus on ICT Policy, Strategy and Initiatives." Mission: "To catalyse reform and development in the ICT sector by enhancing collaboration amongst the stakeholders." hide for those sitting back and watching events unfold. I am any clearer now? Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org> wrote: Gentlemen, this is becoming a trade negotiation and i would submit that you consider other interests in terms of the use of this platform. Thank you. On 19 May 2007, at 15:10, Kai U. Wulff wrote: You see Alex I leave the talking to the content providers and ISPs. They have to come and propose to me if they like the way I look .. Maybe they can even tell me what to wear as the bride . Please understand, we listen to the market and saw a need for an infrastructure that can provide free access to the masses. I have an idea what could be done with the infrastructure but asking KDN to DO IT is asking us to go against our believes! I usually complain that the market does not give us sufficient direction and I would like to repeat this here. You see, we commit large amounts of money into infrastructure projects in the hope of uptake of services. Since we cant dictate the services provided on this infrastructure we are at the mercy of those service providers and their customers. The basic terms will be: Whatever someone wants to provide as free content, will be free (no KDN charge), whatever is charged, KDN will charge a percentage. Since there are millions of business cases possible, I propose we stop the arrange marriage culture and get to know each other first before having the first kiss or more. My aim is not to make you drunk and slip you roofies .. since you know where my house is! And thank you for forgiving me that I am German and that I believe all business is mutual and based on rust and handshake .. I dont think I will grow old enough to change that! Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 14:48 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Unfortunately my culture prevents me from negotiating on "a goat that is still locked up in the goat pen" else I may end up stuck with one without teeth. Also in marriage, we normally send young men "spies" to the girl's home to check on her family history before wazee later go to pay dowry to cement the relationship. I excuse because you are German, but you understand entering into negotiations without first ascertaining the finer details jeopardizes my business culture norms. Kindly publish comprehensive terms to enable me to first study them and determine if they suit my needs. Thanks. But for your immediate business, talk to international mirror services companies such as akamai, sourceforge, etc and get a Kenya-hosted mirror server peered to KIXP here http://ceb.sourceforge.net/private-properties.html#sourceforge.mirrors Kenyan download users will experience extremely fast download speeds, save KDN on international traffic and you will get cash from the those companies and advertisers at your portal. Maybe talk with Michuki of KENIC on akamai clusters. Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alex, The preferred model would be a revenue share .. not fixed rent .. So why dont you start for now? Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 13:54 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Kai, Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the local content effort. Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours. In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for the effort. If you terms appeal to me, I may actually hire some space but if they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out loud. This is the best self-regulation I know. Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated" stand out. Regards, Alex "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: No, We have the Shopping Mall to which entry is supposed to be free. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord. Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP .. you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so .. We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content. The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.). KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated. Kai --------------------------------- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue. "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alice, As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items? Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context. best alice Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
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I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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You are clear. My submission was not to withdraw the general framework but the details of the trade discussion which is somehow being mixed in the discussions. So long as we can all live with it. Eric here On 21 May 2007, at 09:16, Alex Gakuru wrote:
I am obliged to respond to Eric’s concerns.
In the just concluded CCK discussions, we lamented over absent internet education, may be pointing fingers here and there, but in the end did we propose tangible “HOW-TOs”? There are genuine local content concerns and fears on what TEAMS fibre will facilitate to flow, therefore see this as one local content build-up initiative.
It a non-profit activity, unfounded this far, meant to educate by involving ordinary individuals, especially those farthest from Nairobi. It shall contribute in making the internet more relevant and useful to local community. It will significantly boost demand for internet thereby benefiting every ecosystem member. In fact, now the fear is on international traffic requests, this circuit could end up costly and hurting KDN’s education-demand contribution.
Eric, you also know I am always fighting with KDN on a range of issues but I am afraid I agree with them on this one. On this background setting, I felt there was a need to be totally e-list transparent on this transaction, needless to no individual could claim to “own” the content. Dr. Ndemo is in record expressing a concern “who would own the rights to cultural content on the web” citing Kikuyu Ngurario.
Excuse my perception, but I always consider KICTnet to be the convergence “hyde and hide park” where anyone says *anything* with every contribution founded on the common beliefs intersection that they can contribute to the list vision and mission: -
Vision: "To become the focal point for building multi-stakeholder consensus on ICT Policy, Strategy and Initiatives."
Mission: "To catalyse reform and development in the ICT sector by enhancing collaboration amongst the stakeholders."
“hide” for those sitting back and watching events unfold.
I am any clearer now?
Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org> wrote: Gentlemen, this is becoming a trade negotiation and i would submit that you consider other interests in terms of the use of this platform.
Thank you.
On 19 May 2007, at 15:10, Kai U. Wulff wrote:
You see Alex …
I leave the talking to the content providers and ISPs. They have to come and propose to me if they like the way I look .. Maybe they can even tell me what to wear as the bride ….
Please understand, we listen to the market and saw a need for an infrastructure that can provide free access to the masses. I have an idea what could be done with the infrastructure but asking KDN to DO IT is asking us to go against our believes!
I usually complain that the market does not give us sufficient direction and I would like to repeat this here. You see, we commit large amounts of money into infrastructure projects in the hope of uptake of services. Since we can’t dictate the services provided on this infrastructure we are at the mercy of those service providers and their customers.
The basic terms will be: Whatever someone wants to provide as free content, will be free (no KDN charge), whatever is charged, KDN will charge a percentage. Since there are millions of business cases possible, I propose we stop the arrange marriage culture and get to know each other first before having the first kiss or more. My aim is not to make you drunk and slip you roofies .. since you know where my house is!
And thank you for forgiving me that I am German and that I believe all business is mutual and based on rust and handshake .. I don’t think I will grow old enough to change that!
Kai
From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 14:48 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Unfortunately my culture prevents me from negotiating on "a goat that is still locked up in the goat pen" else I may end up stuck with one without teeth.
Also in marriage, we normally send young men "spies" to the girl's home to check on her family history before wazee later go to pay dowry to cement the relationship.
I excuse because you are German, but you understand entering into negotiations without first ascertaining the finer details jeopardizes my business culture norms. Kindly publish comprehensive terms to enable me to first study them and determine if they suit my needs. Thanks.
But for your immediate business, talk to international mirror services companies such as akamai, sourceforge, etc and get a Kenya-hosted mirror server peered to KIXP here http:// ceb.sourceforge.net/private-properties.html#sourceforge.mirrors
Kenyan download users will experience extremely fast download speeds, save KDN on international traffic and you will get cash from the those companies and advertisers at your portal. Maybe talk with Michuki of KENIC on akamai clusters.
Alex
"Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Alex,
The preferred model would be a revenue share .. not fixed rent .. So why don’t you start for now?
Kai
From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 13:54 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Kai,
Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the local content effort.
Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours.
In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for the effort.
If you terms appeal to me, I may actually hire some space but if they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out loud. This is the best self-regulation I know.
Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated" stand out.
Regards,
Alex
"Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: No,
We have the “Shopping Mall” to which entry is supposed to be free.. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord.
Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP ….. you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so ..
We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content.
The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.).
KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated.
Kai
From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue.
"Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
Alice,
As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and policy related matters could be one of the items?
Kai -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10 To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it clearly and simply within that context.
best alice
Many thanks for the comments that have come through the list . it shows
dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they are not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them consider significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us roll our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues, the significance and why they matter.
This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we shall have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition as broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party elections we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place
Muriuki Mureithi wrote: the the ICT
agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants that ICT is an national issue
Muriuki Mureithi Team leader ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project KICTANET
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces +mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces +mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Longwe Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to add my own fury to the fire.
I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or boyfriend?
Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
" We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is unimportant to us"
As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their "wannabe" presidents.
Brian
On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
LK,
u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward...
walu.
--- Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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I beg to be in their their shoes for a while. Who can join me is saying that they probably dont even know what is going on in the ICT industry in Kenya, the developments etc - let alone tell us what they will do about ICT. All the stuff about fiber optics, marine FOC, CDMA etc etc has been in the media but.... can they relate/have they understood and of course they give it little consideration ?????? They may have wanted a group as LK put it 'to shout' and not a serious group of citizens. Could this be an indication that there is so much to be taken seriously by any aspiring leader? - Just a thought! LETS HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE!! Evelyn Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable LK, u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend the function and would like to know who really turned up from the presidential aspirants and what they said... Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc? Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more intelligently on the way forward... walu. --- Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Holy Cow.... On 17 May 2007, at 07:10, Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Alex Gakuru -
Alex Gakuru -
alice -
Brian Longwe -
Eric Osiakwan -
Evelyn Rono -
James Rege -
John Walubengo -
Judy Okite -
Kai U. Wulff -
Kanja Waruru -
Lucy Kimani -
Muriuki Mureithi