
Mahmoud, While i agree with your simple but to be taken serious submission, i beg to differ on the substance and form of the underlining principle. It is the reponsibility of regulatory policy to ensure that infrastructure is shared and a common conduit is built so that different providers can blow their fiber, this is not a market failure situation but an argument for direct public policy intervention to ensure a certain market situation. In the absence of this, the same government through the various institutions collect all kinds of levies from the private companies knowing very well that they are building next to each other. It is important for us to ensure not only institutional saparation but stakeholder responbilities and outcomes in these discussions. The government and regulator must do their work in ensuring that when KDN wants to build fiber from Nairobi to Mombasa, they are told, telkom already has the ducts in place so go talk to them, pay a fee and blow your fiber. Blaming KDN for getting the license and building out next to Telkom, exonerate unnecessarily the responsibility of those institutionalised to do so and belittles the effort to institutionalise. Thailand just passed a law to make broadband a right, this would create the framework for private sector to ensure it happens or government would intervene to make it happen or they would be breaking the law they made. Eric here
Providers need to share infrastructure,it beats logic to see different providers digging next to each other on same side of the road,this also inconveniences road users regularly especilly in urban areas. A first timer in a route should have extra conduits that can be used by competitors in future,once we share the suspicion of competition sabotaging will reduce. We also need to educate the public on the importance of the cable network to our country,economy and make a connection to how a cable cut impacts on their lives,ultimately the communities are the best custodians in their areas,we should also encourage contractors to use locals in each of the areas the cable is enroute and let them instill a sense of ownership to this communities. If government could perform well,local authorities and the state could be building and owning fibre routes or just the conduits and lease to all interested providers. With the fibre cuts each day we are reducing the kenya s potential of being the preffered gateway to landlocked countries like Uganda,Rwanda,S.Sudan etc,hence reducing our dominance in the region and in the process loosing economic/employment opportunities,
Concerned,frustrated
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It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing, negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we attach to contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they do, we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor ..
Frustrated
Kai
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Colleagues
What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other infrastructure that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side.
Kind regards
Eric Aligula Sent from my BlackBerry?
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Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people doing it we would not know the motives.
The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who was not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for a partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants (happens very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal).
Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the cable.
Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know.
Kai
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In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in disruption of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial sabotage.
Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage.
This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four hours, they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi.
Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined?
Jevans
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Eric, Actually we had fiber first .. But it is not that easy .. The question with a duct is: Who is doing the maintenance? If a duct gets cut, I would not want a scenario that has 5 operators on site fighting for the best "seat" in the house to restore! Rgds Kai -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im Auftrag von emko@internetresearch.com.gh Gesendet: Sunday, November 08, 2009 17:13 An: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues Mahmoud, While i agree with your simple but to be taken serious submission, i beg to differ on the substance and form of the underlining principle. It is the reponsibility of regulatory policy to ensure that infrastructure is shared and a common conduit is built so that different providers can blow their fiber, this is not a market failure situation but an argument for direct public policy intervention to ensure a certain market situation. In the absence of this, the same government through the various institutions collect all kinds of levies from the private companies knowing very well that they are building next to each other. It is important for us to ensure not only institutional saparation but stakeholder responbilities and outcomes in these discussions. The government and regulator must do their work in ensuring that when KDN wants to build fiber from Nairobi to Mombasa, they are told, telkom already has the ducts in place so go talk to them, pay a fee and blow your fiber. Blaming KDN for getting the license and building out next to Telkom, exonerate unnecessarily the responsibility of those institutionalised to do so and belittles the effort to institutionalise. Thailand just passed a law to make broadband a right, this would create the framework for private sector to ensure it happens or government would intervene to make it happen or they would be breaking the law they made. Eric here
Providers need to share infrastructure,it beats logic to see different providers digging next to each other on same side of the road,this also inconveniences road users regularly especilly in urban areas. A first timer in a route should have extra conduits that can be used by competitors in future,once we share the suspicion of competition sabotaging will reduce. We also need to educate the public on the importance of the cable network to our country,economy and make a connection to how a cable cut impacts on their lives,ultimately the communities are the best custodians in their areas,we should also encourage contractors to use locals in each of the areas the cable is enroute and let them instill a sense of ownership to this communities. If government could perform well,local authorities and the state could be building and owning fibre routes or just the conduits and lease to all interested providers. With the fibre cuts each day we are reducing the kenya s potential of being the preffered gateway to landlocked countries like Uganda,Rwanda,S.Sudan etc,hence reducing our dominance in the region and in the process loosing economic/employment opportunities,
Concerned,frustrated
Mahmoud Noor Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:14:08 +0300 From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> To: <jairah@kippra.or.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues Message-ID: <484401ca5f15$ab0cdfa0$01269ee0$@wulff@kdn.co.ke> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing, negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we attach to contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they do, we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor ..
Frustrated
Kai
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Colleagues
What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other infrastructure that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side.
Kind regards
Eric Aligula Sent from my BlackBerry?
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Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people doing it we would not know the motives.
The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who was not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for a partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants (happens very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal).
Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the cable.
Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know.
Kai
Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im Auftrag von Jevans Nyabiage Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 19:07 An: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Betreff: [kictanet] Cable issues
In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in disruption of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial sabotage.
Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage.
This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four hours, they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi.
Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined?
Jevans
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Hi colleagues Kenya will proudly host Sir Tim Berners-Lee the inventor of the World Wide Web who lands in Kenya on 19th to 22nd . Please see his rich resume at http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/ . For the internet enthusiasts and indeed everybody now enjoying the rich experience of the World Wide Web , this visit is an opportunity to review how we are exploiting the invention for our development especially now that fibre has revolutionalised access to bandwidth. As we celebrate the visit, it is also an opportunity to reflect on what contributions we are making to further the invention. In his four day visit Sir Berners-Lee will meet the cross section of the Kenya society , high level government officials , parliament and in particularly committee responsible for ICT, academia , the ICT industry, civil society, the techies and very significantly the physically challenged . I believe a number of KICTANET fraternity will meet and interact with him in some of these events. However, due the limited time of his visit, he may not meet with all of you. As in the past, we want to use this list for you to share the thoughts you would have wanted to share with him during his visit. We shall collate these thoughts and pass them to him during or at the conclusion of his visit. You may wish to read about and refine your thoughts around the World Wide Web Consortium ( www.w3.org) and the World Wide Web Foundation (www.webfoundation.org) institutions he established and continues to support to further the potential of the web to humanity. Cheers Muriuki Mureithi

Thank you Mureithi. Its great to note that its not just Ocampo who is interested in this great country. Best Alice -----Original Message----- From: "muriuki mureithi" <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:43:26 To: <alice@apc.org> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] landmark visit by Sir Tim Berners-Lee - inventor of the World Wide Web . Hi colleagues Kenya will proudly host Sir Tim Berners-Lee the inventor of the World Wide Web who lands in Kenya on 19th to 22nd . Please see his rich resume at http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/ . For the internet enthusiasts and indeed everybody now enjoying the rich experience of the World Wide Web , this visit is an opportunity to review how we are exploiting the invention for our development especially now that fibre has revolutionalised access to bandwidth. As we celebrate the visit, it is also an opportunity to reflect on what contributions we are making to further the invention. In his four day visit Sir Berners-Lee will meet the cross section of the Kenya society , high level government officials , parliament and in particularly committee responsible for ICT, academia , the ICT industry, civil society, the techies and very significantly the physically challenged . I believe a number of KICTANET fraternity will meet and interact with him in some of these events. However, due the limited time of his visit, he may not meet with all of you. As in the past, we want to use this list for you to share the thoughts you would have wanted to share with him during his visit. We shall collate these thoughts and pass them to him during or at the conclusion of his visit. You may wish to read about and refine your thoughts around the World Wide Web Consortium ( www.w3.org) and the World Wide Web Foundation (www.webfoundation.org) institutions he established and continues to support to further the potential of the web to humanity. Cheers Muriuki Mureithi _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: alice@apc.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alice%40apc.org

Muriuki, That is very well summarized about such a personality, whom we are lucky to host. I think we need to market ourselves more in Kenya/East Africa (the ICT sector). It will be a good thing to do. Our KIKTANET is very much praised out there as having so many ICT experts, and are contributing freely. And I hope the majority of us can code at least in one language, or be able to route even a video monitor. We have just returned from Washington DC together with my colleague Hon Gumbo and Parliament ICT department staff, where we attended the World e- Parliament. There was a lot of talk about ICT development in our region. In fact the feeling is that the region is the one to watch in the 21st century, in this regard. We must encourage our young people who from time to time get opportunity to attend the industry conferences to work very hard and be our ambassadors. ICT will sure sustain our economy, especially if the AG can kindly give us the FOI. In Parliament: Our Speaker, Hon. Kenneth Marende has his head high in his attempt to transform the 10th Parliament. He wants Parliamentarians to be ICT savvy — an excellent idea. The New Media networks such as Blog, Facebook, twitter, and others could surelly be ideal for Parliamentarians and institutions to embrace in enhancing transparency and democracy, although some contributors may not be genuine and serious in their contributions ( we also need to look at cyber law and protectionism). I noticed that City Council is now blogging, and for the first time I learned that there is a law out there since 1940s which stipulates that if your dog bucks in the city, you could pay a fine... It shows that our institutions are serious in becoming transparent. Hon James Rege, MP, Karachuonyo
Hi colleagues
Kenya will proudly host Sir Tim Berners-Lee the inventor of the World Wide Web who lands in Kenya on 19th to 22nd . Please see his rich resume at http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/ . For the internet enthusiasts and indeed everybody now enjoying the rich experience of the World Wide Web , this visit is an opportunity to review how we are exploiting the invention for our development especially now that fibre has revolutionalised access to bandwidth. As we celebrate the visit, it is also an opportunity to reflect on what contributions we are making to further the invention.
In his four day visit Sir Berners-Lee will meet the cross section of the Kenya society , high level government officials , parliament and in particularly committee responsible for ICT, academia , the ICT industry, civil society, the techies and very significantly the physically challenged . I believe a number of KICTANET fraternity will meet and interact with him in some of these events. However, due the limited time of his visit, he may not meet with all of you. As in the past, we want to use this list for you to share the thoughts you would have wanted to share with him during his visit. We shall collate these thoughts and pass them to him during or at the conclusion of his visit. You may wish to read about and refine your thoughts around the World Wide Web Consortium ( www.w3.org) and the World Wide Web Foundation (www.webfoundation.org) institutions he established and continues to support to further the potential of the web to humanity.
Cheers Muriuki Mureithi
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Hon. Rege, You are onto something interesting here...parliament using new media (blogs, twitter, sms-based interactios etc) to engage with citizens to enhance democracy and accountability in Kenya. As Chair of the Parliamentary committee on communication, would you be willing (together with the Speaker) to champion this idea with support? Look forward to your views. Edith -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of James Rege Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:27 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] landmark visit by Sir Tim Berners-Lee - inventor of the World Wide Web . Muriuki, That is very well summarized about such a personality, whom we are lucky to host. I think we need to market ourselves more in Kenya/East Africa (the ICT sector). It will be a good thing to do. Our KIKTANET is very much praised out there as having so many ICT experts, and are contributing freely. And I hope the majority of us can code at least in one language, or be able to route even a video monitor. We have just returned from Washington DC together with my colleague Hon Gumbo and Parliament ICT department staff, where we attended the World e- Parliament. There was a lot of talk about ICT development in our region. In fact the feeling is that the region is the one to watch in the 21st century, in this regard. We must encourage our young people who from time to time get opportunity to attend the industry conferences to work very hard and be our ambassadors. ICT will sure sustain our economy, especially if the AG can kindly give us the FOI. In Parliament: Our Speaker, Hon. Kenneth Marende has his head high in his attempt to transform the 10th Parliament. He wants Parliamentarians to be ICT savvy - an excellent idea. The New Media networks such as Blog, Facebook, twitter, and others could surelly be ideal for Parliamentarians and institutions to embrace in enhancing transparency and democracy, although some contributors may not be genuine and serious in their contributions ( we also need to look at cyber law and protectionism). I noticed that City Council is now blogging, and for the first time I learned that there is a law out there since 1940s which stipulates that if your dog bucks in the city, you could pay a fine... It shows that our institutions are serious in becoming transparent. Hon James Rege, MP, Karachuonyo
Hi colleagues
Kenya will proudly host Sir Tim Berners-Lee the inventor of the World Wide Web who lands in Kenya on 19th to 22nd . Please see his rich resume at http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/ . For the internet enthusiasts and indeed everybody now enjoying the rich experience of the World Wide Web , this visit is an opportunity to review how we are exploiting the invention for our development especially now that fibre has revolutionalised access to bandwidth. As we celebrate the visit, it is also an opportunity to reflect on what contributions we are making to further the invention.
In his four day visit Sir Berners-Lee will meet the cross section of the Kenya society , high level government officials , parliament and in particularly committee responsible for ICT, academia , the ICT industry, civil society, the techies and very significantly the physically challenged . I believe a number of KICTANET fraternity will meet and interact with him in some of these events. However, due the limited time of his visit, he may not meet with all of you. As in the past, we want to use this list for you to share the thoughts you would have wanted to share with him during his visit. We shall collate these thoughts and pass them to him during or at the conclusion of his visit. You may wish to read about and refine your thoughts around the World Wide Web Consortium ( www.w3.org) and the World Wide Web Foundation (www.webfoundation.org) institutions he established and continues to support to further the potential of the web to humanity.
Cheers Muriuki Mureithi
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I would also be very interested in getting concrete commitments from the committee in the opening up of parliament and parliamentary information to Kenyans. They need to walk the talk. I know from personal experience it is extremely difficult to get information out of parliament like hansards, bills, voting positions etc. Even information on parliamentarians is cursory at best - look at the MP profiles on the current site http://www.parliament.go.ke/parliament/members.php. Parliamentarians and supporting institutions need to demonstrate a commitment to engage the citizens. Technology in itself won't help if the people don't have the drive to participate On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Hon. Rege,
You are onto something interesting here...parliament using new media (blogs, twitter, sms-based interactios etc) to engage with citizens to enhance democracy and accountability in Kenya.
As Chair of the Parliamentary committee on communication, would you be willing (together with the Speaker) to champion this idea with support?
Look forward to your views.
Edith

Me too, once Parliament is opened to the public (to access the information there) it would be great. The current parliament has done a lot in improving the 'public judgement' of the parliamentarians while in the chambers, although I gather most of the work is done in the committees. The speaker has done a lot in creating an avenue for live broadcasts etc And as Rad has said, 'technology in itself will not help if the people don't have the drive to participate', I concur with him. On 13/11/2009, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I would also be very interested in getting concrete commitments from the committee in the opening up of parliament and parliamentary information to Kenyans. They need to walk the talk. I know from personal experience it is extremely difficult to get information out of parliament like hansards, bills, voting positions etc. Even information on parliamentarians is cursory at best - look at the MP profiles on the current site http://www.parliament.go.ke/parliament/members.php.
Parliamentarians and supporting institutions need to demonstrate a commitment to engage the citizens. Technology in itself won't help if the people don't have the drive to participate
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Hon. Rege,
You are onto something interesting here...parliament using new media (blogs, twitter, sms-based interactios etc) to engage with citizens to enhance democracy and accountability in Kenya.
As Chair of the Parliamentary committee on communication, would you be willing (together with the Speaker) to champion this idea with support?
Look forward to your views.
Edith
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Conrad, You will be delighted to know that Hansard, Order paper, and current bills are actually updated on website as soon as they are avaialble. For starters check the webiste for all Hansard -latest including 11th Nov 2009... http://www.parliament.go.ke/parliament/downloads/tenth_forth_sess/11.11.09P.... It takes time to reform institutions and Parliament is picking up, perhaps not as fast as everyone would expect. Access to pertinent info is a key push with the current leadership. Clement ________________________________ From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> To: c_nyandiere@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 10:09:23 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] landmark visit by Sir Tim Berners-Lee - inventor of the World Wide Web . I would also be very interested in getting concrete commitments from the committee in the opening up of parliament and parliamentary information to Kenyans. They need to walk the talk. I know from personal experience it is extremely difficult to get information out of parliament like hansards, bills, voting positions etc. Even information on parliamentarians is cursory at best - look at the MP profiles on the current site http://www.parliament.go.ke/parliament/members.php. Parliamentarians and supporting institutions need to demonstrate a commitment to engage the citizens. Technology in itself won't help if the people don't have the drive to participate On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Hon. Rege,
You are onto something interesting here...parliament using new media (blogs, twitter, sms-based interactios etc) to engage with citizens to enhance democracy and accountability in Kenya.
As Chair of the Parliamentary committee on communication, would you be willing (together with the Speaker) to champion this idea with support?
Look forward to your views.
Edith

Dear all, I had the opportunity, which I say was an honor to my country Kenya, to chair a Session "Use of The New Social Networks and other Internet Communication tools in the Parliamentary environment" at the World e-Parliament conference in Washington DC, on Nov 4, 2009. I had 4 panelists from: USA, Chile, Brazil, and European Parliament, and for 2 hours the audience paid keen attention to the panelists as they deliver very interesting presentations on how parliaments in their countries use ICT. We noted that with time we can catch on as we have enough experts in the country and the political goodwill. But for now, we are not anywhere close to these countries. Our 10th parliament has started rolling out these gadgets - thanks to our ICT-savvy Speaker Mr. Kenneth Marende. The new Standing Orders is the way to go. Most Committee meetings are now open to the public and as Mr. Clement Nyandiere, the director of ICT in parliament said Hansard contents can now be downloaded from the parliament website. With time, these will be digitized for easy access, and possibly upgraded to use atifficial intelligent software as the driver. We now have Wifi in the coffee lounge. Parliament bldgs are all connected with fibre optics less connection to the under sea cable. The Floor of the House (debating room)is fully covered with state-of-the art video cameras - equipped with feeds to media houses. The answer to the question by Edith Adera is yes, our committees will work closely with the Speaker to spearhead the required commitment to encourage our citizens, institutions and parliamentarians to use the new Social Media, as this is one of the sure ways of enhancing democracy, transparency, accountability and the elimination of graft in the country. I will end my short contribution by asking the AG to deliver the FOI and then we can start working on the Data. Hon. James Rege, MP, Karachuonyo Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: CLEM NYANDIERE <c_nyandiere@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:23:03 To: james rege<james.rege@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] landmark visit by Sir Tim Berners-Lee - inventor of the World Wide Web . _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: james.rege@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/james.rege%40gmail.com

Muriuki, That is very well summarized about such a personality, whom we are lucky to host. I think we need to market ourselves more in Kenya/East Africa (the ICT sector). It will be a good thing to do. Our KIKTANET is very much praised out there as having so many ICT experts, and are contributing freely. And I hope the majority of us can code at least in one language, or be able to route even a video monitor. We have just returned from Washington DC together with my colleague Hon Gumbo and Parliament ICT department staff, where we attended the World e- Parliament. There was a lot of talk about ICT development in our region. In fact the feeling is that the region is the one to watch in the twenty-first century, in this regard. We must encourage our young people who from time to time get opportunity to attend the industry conferences to work very hard and be our ambassadors. ICT will sure sustain our economy, especially if the AG can kindly give us the FOI. In Parliament: Our Speaker, Hon. Kenneth Marende has his head high in his attempt to transform the 10th Parliament. He wants Parliamentarians to be ICT savvy — an excellent idea. The New Media networks such as Blog, Facebook, twitter, and others could surely be ideal for Parliamentarians and institutions to embrace in enhancing transparency and democracy, although some contributors may not be genuine and serious in their contributions ( we also need to look at cyber law and protectionism). I noticed that City Council is now blogging, and for the first time I learned that there is a law out there since 1940s which stipulates that if your dog bucks in the city, you could pay a fine... It shows that our institutions are serious in becoming transparent. Hon James Rege, MP, Karachuonyo
Hi colleagues
Kenya will proudly host Sir Tim Berners-Lee the inventor of the World Wide Web who lands in Kenya on 19th to 22nd . Please see his rich resume at http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/ . For the internet enthusiasts and indeed everybody now enjoying the rich experience of the World Wide Web , this visit is an opportunity to review how we are exploiting the invention for our development especially now that fibre has revolutionalised access to bandwidth. As we celebrate the visit, it is also an opportunity to reflect on what contributions we are making to further the invention.
In his four day visit Sir Berners-Lee will meet the cross section of the Kenya society , high level government officials , parliament and in particularly committee responsible for ICT, academia , the ICT industry, civil society, the techies and very significantly the physically challenged . I believe a number of KICTANET fraternity will meet and interact with him in some of these events. However, due the limited time of his visit, he may not meet with all of you. As in the past, we want to use this list for you to share the thoughts you would have wanted to share with him during his visit. We shall collate these thoughts and pass them to him during or at the conclusion of his visit. You may wish to read about and refine your thoughts around the World Wide Web Consortium ( www.w3.org) and the World Wide Web Foundation (www.webfoundation.org) institutions he established and continues to support to further the potential of the web to humanity.
Cheers Muriuki Mureithi
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participants (10)
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alice munyua
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CLEM NYANDIERE
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Edith Adera
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emko@internetresearch.com.gh
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James Rege
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james.rege@gmail.com
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kai wulff
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muriuki mureithi
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Rad!
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Solomon Mburu Kamau