Re: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
This sounds like a modern day sermon...... If we cant realise this then we loose the opportunity to leverage the last frontier in Societal strength which is the multi-stakeholder power. Eric here ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: <alice@apc.org> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:09:30 +0300
Sounds like utopia but realisable. In this day and age, no one sector can deliver the complexities of sustainable development alone. Therefore, partnerships between government, businesses, civil society and media (what is referred to as multi stakeholder partnerships) have become a growing feature world wide. Additionally, the interactions of ICTS with development and poverty reduction goals are so complex that a range of resources and competencies need to be brought together to create solutions to specific challenges. One of the reasons that the UN WSIS process adopted multi stakeholder process and now others like the ITU are following. Kenya ICt Action network is based on this philosophy and one of the lessons we have learnt is that diversity is a reality and it is important to understand different values, encourage dialogue and integrate views into joint solutions. And I believe that with the amount of discussions, e-mail reading, listening, etc we are all in a position to understand and reconcile our various interests to shape/build consensus.
alice
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Joseph" <MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke> To: <alice@apc.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
I think you have done a good job in summing up the objectives of the various participants and stakeholders. I think all the objectives can and should be met if all parties understood each other's key objectives and operating environments (including an understanding of the costs to achieve them). I think we have progressed a great deal in the last 4 years with operators, the regulator and the Government beginning to understand and appreciate each other roles.
To improve matters, more honest dialog with each other in an environment where no one is superior to the other, where the "big whips" are packed away, and hopefully a new framework in terms of the new ICT bill where the roles and expectations of each stakeholder is clearly spelt out.
Sounds like Utopia but that that's my opinion.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of John Walubengo Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:03 PM To: Michael Joseph Subject: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
<<<I must stay that the previous theme 'Projected Impact of OFC on Stakeholders' has been quite turbulent. We did recieve about 20 postings on this theme(during 4 calender days) and it has been a challenge trying to sieve through them in order to create a brief and reasonable account of the issues, proposals and predictions. In the interest of moving forward, I would wish to introduce the next theme and but will provide the summary of issues in the final report.>>>.
In general, the Operators have an obligation to maximize profit for their shareholders by virtue of having taken a risk and committed funds into a particular line of business (OFC included). The Consumer on the other hand will always want services at the lowest cost possible (including free services). The Regulator is mandated - in part - to provide a level playing field for the Operators and a protection mechanism for Consumers. Finally, the Government's main role would be to improve the livelihoods of its citizens e.g. providing essential services, conducive policy, legislative and regulatory environment for all the stakeholders.
Indeed, the above brings out the automatic tensions that come to play because each stakeholder wants to pursue their interests which in most cases would be in conflict. E.g. Private sector would naturally follow the lowest path to profit e.g. charge highly, concentrate in high-income zones and recoup their investments in the shortest time possible. Nothing illegal with that, but if the Government intervention is lacking in such a situtation, then certain parts of society (citizenry) would be excluded from accessing some of the (essential) services provided by the Businesses. On the other hand, forcing Business to provide these services to low income communities, or forcing them to under-price without compensatory schemes (incentives) would be the quickest way to run down the business (denying Govts Tax Revenues).
From the previous theme, it was evident that the current status and relationships, particularly between Consumers and Operators is not too healthy. Similarly, the existing relationship between Govt and the Regulator came into question and various models and frameworks for improving on these was proposed. Infact, if all things remain constant and the OFC was delivered tomorrow, I suspect that the tensions between the stakeholders may go a notch higher, possibly compouded by intense Operator(with OFC access) vs Operator(without OFC access) wars.
How then can these wars be pre-empted? What are the top three things, each Stakeholder (Operators, Regulators, Consumers and Govt) should do in order to provide a win-win situation for everybody in the new OFC dispensation? Two days on this conclusive phase...start talking along this theme keeping in mind some Netiquette as recommended by the list administrator.
walu.
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Dear all, Lets hear more, particularly on the qtn --->:What are the top three things, each Stakeholder (Operators, Regulators, Consumers and Govt) should do in order to provide a win-win situation for everybody in the new OFC dispensation? Here's my take and it is open to objections and additions (remember we can disagree but still remain reconciled ;-) Regulator must: a) prepare a new regulatory environment where they have a say over International connectivity i.e. move beyond providing International Gateway licenses and probably get into enforcing Inter-connection (Access) issues for International traffic. b) must provide a new market structure i.e. move beyond selling 'vertical' licenses and begin selling 'horizontal' licenses i.e align licensing according to new realities of (IP) convergence c) start thinking about reviewing existing licensing and the anticipated resistance this would cause from existing Operators Operators must: a) begin to strategies on which market/licence-space they would wish to play in (Infrastructure, Network or Applications?) b) begin to plan for innovative competition from non-traditional rivals the Application Providers (e.g. KTN or Nation TV competing with providers for Internet TV). c) ... Consumers must: a) Get organised more strongly in consumer assosciations b) Get to engage more coherently with Regulators and Operators c).... Govt must: a) Get appropriate Policies and legislation to address the new era b) ... c)... walu. --- Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org> wrote:
This sounds like a modern day sermon......
If we cant realise this then we loose the opportunity to leverage the last frontier in Societal strength which is the multi-stakeholder power.
Eric here
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: <alice@apc.org> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:09:30 +0300
Sounds like utopia but realisable. In this day and age, no one sector can deliver the complexities of sustainable development alone. Therefore, partnerships between government, businesses, civil society and media (what is referred to as multi stakeholder partnerships) have become a growing feature world wide. Additionally, the interactions of ICTS with development and poverty reduction goals are so complex that a range of resources and competencies need to be brought together to create solutions to specific challenges. One of the reasons that the UN WSIS process adopted multi stakeholder process and now others like the ITU are following. Kenya ICt Action network is based on this philosophy and one of the lessons we have learnt is that diversity is a reality and it is important to understand different values, encourage dialogue and integrate views into joint solutions. And I believe that with the amount of discussions, e-mail reading, listening, etc we are all in a position to understand and reconcile our various interests to shape/build consensus.
alice
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Joseph" <MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke> To: <alice@apc.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
I think you have done a good job in summing up the objectives of the various participants and stakeholders. I think all the objectives can and should be met if all parties understood each other's key objectives and operating environments (including an understanding of the costs to achieve them). I think we have progressed a great deal in the last 4 years with operators, the regulator and the Government beginning to understand and appreciate each other roles.
To improve matters, more honest dialog with each other in an environment where no one is superior to the other, where the "big whips" are packed away, and hopefully a new framework in terms of the new ICT bill where the roles and expectations of each stakeholder is clearly spelt out.
Sounds like Utopia but that that's my opinion.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke]
Behalf Of John Walubengo Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:03 PM To: Michael Joseph Subject: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
<<<I must stay that the previous theme 'Projected Impact of OFC on Stakeholders' has been quite turbulent. We did recieve about 20 postings on this theme(during 4 calender days) and it has been a challenge trying to sieve
them in order to create a brief and reasonable account of the issues, proposals and predictions. In the interest of moving forward, I would wish to introduce the next
and but will provide the summary of issues in the final report.>>>.
In general, the Operators have an obligation to maximize profit for their shareholders by virtue of having taken a risk and committed funds into a particular line of business (OFC included). The Consumer on the other hand will always want services at the lowest cost possible (including free services). The Regulator is mandated - in part - to provide a level playing field for the Operators and a protection mechanism for Consumers. Finally, the Government's main role would be to improve the
of its citizens e.g. providing essential services, conducive policy, legislative and regulatory environment for all the stakeholders.
Indeed, the above brings out the automatic tensions
come to play because each stakeholder wants to pursue
interests which in most cases would be in conflict. E.g. Private sector would naturally follow the lowest path to profit e.g. charge highly, concentrate in high-income zones and recoup their investments in the shortest time
Nothing illegal with that, but if the Government intervention is lacking in such a situtation, then certain parts of society (citizenry) would be excluded from accessing some of the (essential) services provided by
Businesses. On the other hand, forcing Business to
these services to low income communities, or forcing
to under-price without compensatory schemes (incentives) would be the quickest way to run down the business (denying Govts Tax Revenues).
From the previous theme, it was evident that the current status and relationships, particularly between Consumers and Operators is not too healthy. Similarly, the existing relationship between Govt and the Regulator came into question and various models and frameworks for improving on these was proposed. Infact, if all things remain constant and the OFC was delivered tomorrow, I suspect that the tensions between the stakeholders may go a notch higher, possibly compouded by intense Operator(with OFC access) vs Operator(without OFC access) wars.
How then can these wars be pre-empted? What are the top three things, each Stakeholder (Operators, Regulators, Consumers and Govt) should do in order to provide a win-win situation for everybody in the new OFC dispensation? Two days on this conclusive phase...start talking along
On through theme livelihoods that their possible. the provide them this
theme keeping in mind some Netiquette as recommended by the list administrator.
walu.
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I wish to formally close the above Online discussion and thank all of you who spared the time and effort to scribble down their thoughts on this important subject. For those who prefer speech (talking) to text (writing), I am happy to say that we shall be holding a face-2-face, half-day discussion on the same topic at the Jacaranda Hotel on Thr 22nd Feb 2007, from 8:00a.m - 1:00p.m (lunch & tea inclusive i hope ;-). During this session, we shall have a draft report on the Online deliberations for validation and also have an opportunity to enhance the report through the additional face-2-face comments that shall arise. KICTANet has been assured that the views collected shall be taken by Government as a serious Stakeholder input that will influence the final direction International Optical Fiber Cable Provisioning in the country shall take. So please, take out your diary (or PDA?) and spare Thrs half-day 22nd Feb 2007 for this discussion. J. Walubengo for KICTANet. --- John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
Lets hear more, particularly on the qtn --->:What are the top three things, each Stakeholder (Operators, Regulators, Consumers and Govt) should do in order to provide a win-win situation for everybody in the new OFC dispensation?
Here's my take and it is open to objections and additions (remember we can disagree but still remain reconciled ;-)
Regulator must: a) prepare a new regulatory environment where they have a say over International connectivity i.e. move beyond providing International Gateway licenses and probably get into enforcing Inter-connection (Access) issues for International traffic. b) must provide a new market structure i.e. move beyond selling 'vertical' licenses and begin selling 'horizontal' licenses i.e align licensing according to new realities of (IP) convergence c) start thinking about reviewing existing licensing and the anticipated resistance this would cause from existing Operators
Operators must: a) begin to strategies on which market/licence-space they would wish to play in (Infrastructure, Network or Applications?) b) begin to plan for innovative competition from non-traditional rivals the Application Providers (e.g. KTN or Nation TV competing with providers for Internet TV). c) ...
Consumers must: a) Get organised more strongly in consumer assosciations b) Get to engage more coherently with Regulators and Operators c)....
Govt must: a) Get appropriate Policies and legislation to address the new era b) ... c)...
walu.
--- Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org> wrote:
This sounds like a modern day sermon......
If we cant realise this then we loose the opportunity to leverage the last frontier in Societal strength which is the multi-stakeholder power.
Eric here
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: <alice@apc.org> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:09:30 +0300
Sounds like utopia but realisable. In this day and age, no one sector can deliver the complexities of sustainable development alone. Therefore, partnerships between government, businesses, civil society and media (what is referred to as multi stakeholder partnerships) have become a growing feature world wide. Additionally, the interactions of ICTS with development and poverty reduction goals are so complex that a range of resources and competencies need to be brought together to create solutions to specific challenges. One of the reasons that the UN WSIS process adopted multi stakeholder process and now others like the ITU are following. Kenya ICt Action network is based on this philosophy and one of the lessons we have learnt is that diversity is a reality and it is important to understand different values, encourage dialogue and integrate views into joint solutions. And I believe that with the amount of discussions, e-mail reading, listening, etc we are all in a position to understand and reconcile our various interests to shape/build consensus.
alice
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Joseph" <MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke> To: <alice@apc.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
I think you have done a good job in summing up the objectives of the various participants and stakeholders. I think all the objectives can and should be met if all parties understood each other's key objectives and operating environments (including an understanding of the costs to achieve them). I think we have progressed a great deal in the last 4 years with operators, the regulator and the Government beginning to understand and appreciate each other roles.
To improve matters, more honest dialog with each other in an environment where no one is superior to the other, where the "big whips" are packed away, and hopefully a new framework in terms of the new ICT bill where the roles and expectations of each stakeholder is clearly spelt out.
Sounds like Utopia but that that's my opinion.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke]
Behalf Of John Walubengo Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:03 PM To: Michael Joseph Subject: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
<<<I must stay that the previous theme 'Projected Impact of OFC on Stakeholders' has been quite turbulent. We did recieve about 20 postings on this theme(during 4 calender days) and it has been a challenge trying to sieve
them in order to create a brief and reasonable account of the issues, proposals and predictions. In the interest of moving forward, I would wish to introduce the next
On through theme
and but will provide the summary of issues in the final report.>>>.
In general, the Operators have an obligation to maximize profit for their shareholders by virtue of having taken a risk and committed funds into a particular line of business (OFC included). The Consumer on the other hand will always want services at the lowest cost possible (including free
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Thank you very much Walu for the excellent moderation. We shall post a summary of the discussions by the end of the week and prepare a report which will capture all the inputs. This report will then form the basis of our discussions on 22nd of February at the Jacaranda hotel. The objectives of the workshop will therefore be to: 1. validate the report 2. reconcile our various interests to shape/build consensus Proceedings from the workshop will be submitted to P.S Bitange Ndemo for further action. On another note, we shall hold a five day discussion on the Freedom of Information policy January 2007 that was posted recently by P.S Ndemo. Views/suggestions etc from the discussions will be presented at the stakeholder meeting taking place in 20th February at the Kenya School of Monetary studies. You are all invited to participate in the online discussions and the workshop. best regards alice ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: <alice@apc.org> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: [kictanet] Online Discussion on OFC Provisioning - Closing Ceremony& Way Forward
I wish to formally close the above Online discussion and thank all of you who spared the time and effort to scribble down their thoughts on this important subject.
For those who prefer speech (talking) to text (writing), I am happy to say that we shall be holding a face-2-face, half-day discussion on the same topic at the Jacaranda Hotel on Thr 22nd Feb 2007, from 8:00a.m - 1:00p.m (lunch & tea inclusive i hope ;-).
During this session, we shall have a draft report on the Online deliberations for validation and also have an opportunity to enhance the report through the additional face-2-face comments that shall arise.
KICTANet has been assured that the views collected shall be taken by Government as a serious Stakeholder input that will influence the final direction International Optical Fiber Cable Provisioning in the country shall take. So please, take out your diary (or PDA?) and spare Thrs half-day 22nd Feb 2007 for this discussion.
J. Walubengo for KICTANet.
--- John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
Lets hear more, particularly on the qtn --->:What are the top three things, each Stakeholder (Operators, Regulators, Consumers and Govt) should do in order to provide a win-win situation for everybody in the new OFC dispensation?
Here's my take and it is open to objections and additions (remember we can disagree but still remain reconciled ;-)
Regulator must: a) prepare a new regulatory environment where they have a say over International connectivity i.e. move beyond providing International Gateway licenses and probably get into enforcing Inter-connection (Access) issues for International traffic. b) must provide a new market structure i.e. move beyond selling 'vertical' licenses and begin selling 'horizontal' licenses i.e align licensing according to new realities of (IP) convergence c) start thinking about reviewing existing licensing and the anticipated resistance this would cause from existing Operators
Operators must: a) begin to strategies on which market/licence-space they would wish to play in (Infrastructure, Network or Applications?) b) begin to plan for innovative competition from non-traditional rivals the Application Providers (e.g. KTN or Nation TV competing with providers for Internet TV). c) ...
Consumers must: a) Get organised more strongly in consumer assosciations b) Get to engage more coherently with Regulators and Operators c)....
Govt must: a) Get appropriate Policies and legislation to address the new era b) ... c)...
walu.
--- Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org> wrote:
This sounds like a modern day sermon......
If we cant realise this then we loose the opportunity to leverage the last frontier in Societal strength which is the multi-stakeholder power.
Eric here
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: <alice@apc.org> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:09:30 +0300
Sounds like utopia but realisable. In this day and age, no one sector can deliver the complexities of sustainable development alone. Therefore, partnerships between government, businesses, civil society and media (what is referred to as multi stakeholder partnerships) have become a growing feature world wide. Additionally, the interactions of ICTS with development and poverty reduction goals are so complex that a range of resources and competencies need to be brought together to create solutions to specific challenges. One of the reasons that the UN WSIS process adopted multi stakeholder process and now others like the ITU are following. Kenya ICt Action network is based on this philosophy and one of the lessons we have learnt is that diversity is a reality and it is important to understand different values, encourage dialogue and integrate views into joint solutions. And I believe that with the amount of discussions, e-mail reading, listening, etc we are all in a position to understand and reconcile our various interests to shape/build consensus.
alice
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Joseph" <MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke> To: <alice@apc.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
I think you have done a good job in summing up the objectives of the various participants and stakeholders. I think all the objectives can and should be met if all parties understood each other's key objectives and operating environments (including an understanding of the costs to achieve them). I think we have progressed a great deal in the last 4 years with operators, the regulator and the Government beginning to understand and appreciate each other roles.
To improve matters, more honest dialog with each other in an environment where no one is superior to the other, where the "big whips" are packed away, and hopefully a new framework in terms of the new ICT bill where the roles and expectations of each stakeholder is clearly spelt out.
Sounds like Utopia but that that's my opinion.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke]
Behalf Of John Walubengo Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:03 PM To: Michael Joseph Subject: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
<<<I must stay that the previous theme 'Projected Impact of OFC on Stakeholders' has been quite turbulent. We did recieve about 20 postings on this theme(during 4 calender days) and it has been a challenge trying to sieve
them in order to create a brief and reasonable account of the issues, proposals and predictions. In the interest of moving forward, I would wish to introduce the next
On through theme
and but will provide the summary of issues in the final report.>>>.
In general, the Operators have an obligation to maximize profit for their shareholders by virtue of having taken a risk and committed funds into a particular line of business (OFC included). The Consumer on the other hand will always want services at the lowest cost possible (including free
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Walu, thanks for the moderation. Lets hope things goes on as is: discussions followed by concrete action (by all) is needed for the Vision 2030 to be realized. Regards B.K. Sang ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: <bksang@education.go.ke> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: [kictanet] Online Discussion on OFC Provisioning - Closing Ceremony& Way Forward
I wish to formally close the above Online discussion and thank all of you who spared the time and effort to scribble down their thoughts on this important subject.
For those who prefer speech (talking) to text (writing), I am happy to say that we shall be holding a face-2-face, half-day discussion on the same topic at the Jacaranda Hotel on Thr 22nd Feb 2007, from 8:00a.m - 1:00p.m (lunch & tea inclusive i hope ;-).
During this session, we shall have a draft report on the Online deliberations for validation and also have an opportunity to enhance the report through the additional face-2-face comments that shall arise.
KICTANet has been assured that the views collected shall be taken by Government as a serious Stakeholder input that will influence the final direction International Optical Fiber Cable Provisioning in the country shall take. So please, take out your diary (or PDA?) and spare Thrs half-day 22nd Feb 2007 for this discussion.
J. Walubengo for KICTANet.
--- John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
Lets hear more, particularly on the qtn --->:What are the top three things, each Stakeholder (Operators, Regulators, Consumers and Govt) should do in order to provide a win-win situation for everybody in the new OFC dispensation?
Here's my take and it is open to objections and additions (remember we can disagree but still remain reconciled ;-)
Regulator must: a) prepare a new regulatory environment where they have a say over International connectivity i.e. move beyond providing International Gateway licenses and probably get into enforcing Inter-connection (Access) issues for International traffic. b) must provide a new market structure i.e. move beyond selling 'vertical' licenses and begin selling 'horizontal' licenses i.e align licensing according to new realities of (IP) convergence c) start thinking about reviewing existing licensing and the anticipated resistance this would cause from existing Operators
Operators must: a) begin to strategies on which market/licence-space they would wish to play in (Infrastructure, Network or Applications?) b) begin to plan for innovative competition from non-traditional rivals the Application Providers (e.g. KTN or Nation TV competing with providers for Internet TV). c) ...
Consumers must: a) Get organised more strongly in consumer assosciations b) Get to engage more coherently with Regulators and Operators c)....
Govt must: a) Get appropriate Policies and legislation to address the new era b) ... c)...
walu.
--- Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org> wrote:
This sounds like a modern day sermon......
If we cant realise this then we loose the opportunity to leverage the last frontier in Societal strength which is the multi-stakeholder power.
Eric here
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: <alice@apc.org> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:09:30 +0300
Sounds like utopia but realisable. In this day and age, no one sector can deliver the complexities of sustainable development alone. Therefore, partnerships between government, businesses, civil society and media (what is referred to as multi stakeholder partnerships) have become a growing feature world wide. Additionally, the interactions of ICTS with development and poverty reduction goals are so complex that a range of resources and competencies need to be brought together to create solutions to specific challenges. One of the reasons that the UN WSIS process adopted multi stakeholder process and now others like the ITU are following. Kenya ICt Action network is based on this philosophy and one of the lessons we have learnt is that diversity is a reality and it is important to understand different values, encourage dialogue and integrate views into joint solutions. And I believe that with the amount of discussions, e-mail reading, listening, etc we are all in a position to understand and reconcile our various interests to shape/build consensus.
alice
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Joseph" <MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke> To: <alice@apc.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
I think you have done a good job in summing up the objectives of the various participants and stakeholders. I think all the objectives can and should be met if all parties understood each other's key objectives and operating environments (including an understanding of the costs to achieve them). I think we have progressed a great deal in the last 4 years with operators, the regulator and the Government beginning to understand and appreciate each other roles.
To improve matters, more honest dialog with each other in an environment where no one is superior to the other, where the "big whips" are packed away, and hopefully a new framework in terms of the new ICT bill where the roles and expectations of each stakeholder is clearly spelt out.
Sounds like Utopia but that that's my opinion.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
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Behalf Of John Walubengo Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:03 PM To: Michael Joseph Subject: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
<<<I must stay that the previous theme 'Projected Impact of OFC on Stakeholders' has been quite turbulent. We did recieve about 20 postings on this theme(during 4 calender days) and it has been a challenge trying to sieve
them in order to create a brief and reasonable account of the issues, proposals and predictions. In the interest of moving forward, I would wish to introduce the next
On through theme
and but will provide the summary of issues in the final report.>>>.
In general, the Operators have an obligation to maximize profit for their shareholders by virtue of having taken a risk and committed funds into a particular line of business (OFC included). The Consumer on the other hand will always want services at the lowest cost possible (including free
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Walu Congratulations again for a great job! You were terrific. And any feedback from your colleagues on the culture transformation front? Regards Mike John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> Sent by: To kictanet-bounces+ meldon@symphony.co.ke meldon=symphony.c cc o.ke@kictanet.or. ke Subject [kictanet] Online Discussion on OFC Provisioning - Closing Ceremony 02/08/2007 10:02 & Way Forward AM Please respond to Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet <kictanet@kictane t.or.ke> I wish to formally close the above Online discussion and thank all of you who spared the time and effort to scribble down their thoughts on this important subject. For those who prefer speech (talking) to text (writing), I am happy to say that we shall be holding a face-2-face, half-day discussion on the same topic at the Jacaranda Hotel on Thr 22nd Feb 2007, from 8:00a.m - 1:00p.m (lunch & tea inclusive i hope ;-). During this session, we shall have a draft report on the Online deliberations for validation and also have an opportunity to enhance the report through the additional face-2-face comments that shall arise. KICTANet has been assured that the views collected shall be taken by Government as a serious Stakeholder input that will influence the final direction International Optical Fiber Cable Provisioning in the country shall take. So please, take out your diary (or PDA?) and spare Thrs half-day 22nd Feb 2007 for this discussion. J. Walubengo for KICTANet. --- John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear all,
Lets hear more, particularly on the qtn --->:What are the top three things, each Stakeholder (Operators, Regulators, Consumers and Govt) should do in order to provide a win-win situation for everybody in the new OFC dispensation?
Here's my take and it is open to objections and additions (remember we can disagree but still remain reconciled ;-)
Regulator must: a) prepare a new regulatory environment where they have a say over International connectivity i.e. move beyond providing International Gateway licenses and probably get into enforcing Inter-connection (Access) issues for International traffic. b) must provide a new market structure i.e. move beyond selling 'vertical' licenses and begin selling 'horizontal' licenses i.e align licensing according to new realities of (IP) convergence c) start thinking about reviewing existing licensing and the anticipated resistance this would cause from existing Operators
Operators must: a) begin to strategies on which market/licence-space they would wish to play in (Infrastructure, Network or Applications?) b) begin to plan for innovative competition from non-traditional rivals the Application Providers (e.g. KTN or Nation TV competing with providers for Internet TV). c) ...
Consumers must: a) Get organised more strongly in consumer assosciations b) Get to engage more coherently with Regulators and Operators c)....
Govt must: a) Get appropriate Policies and legislation to address the new era b) ... c)...
walu.
--- Eric Osiakwan <eric@afrispa.org> wrote:
This sounds like a modern day sermon......
If we cant realise this then we loose the opportunity to leverage the last frontier in Societal strength which is the multi-stakeholder power.
Eric here
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: <alice@apc.org> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:09:30 +0300
Sounds like utopia but realisable. In this day and age, no one sector can deliver the complexities of sustainable development alone. Therefore, partnerships between government, businesses, civil society and media (what is referred to as multi stakeholder partnerships) have become a growing feature world wide. Additionally, the interactions of ICTS with development and poverty reduction goals are so complex that a range of resources and competencies need to be brought together to create solutions to specific challenges. One of the reasons that the UN WSIS process adopted multi stakeholder process and now others like the ITU are following. Kenya ICt Action network is based on this philosophy and one of the lessons we have learnt is that diversity is a reality and it is important to understand different values, encourage dialogue and integrate views into joint solutions. And I believe that with the amount of discussions, e-mail reading, listening, etc we are all in a position to understand and reconcile our various interests to shape/build consensus.
alice
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Joseph" <MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke> To: <alice@apc.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
I think you have done a good job in summing up the objectives of the various participants and stakeholders. I think all the objectives can and should be met if all parties understood each other's key objectives and operating environments (including an understanding of the costs to achieve them). I think we have progressed a great deal in the last 4 years with operators, the regulator and the Government beginning to understand and appreciate each other roles.
To improve matters, more honest dialog with each other in an environment where no one is superior to the other, where the "big whips" are packed away, and hopefully a new framework in terms of the new ICT bill where the roles and expectations of each stakeholder is clearly spelt out.
Sounds like Utopia but that that's my opinion.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
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Behalf Of John Walubengo Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:03 PM To: Michael Joseph Subject: [kictanet] Day 10 of 10: Reconciling Stakeholder Interests
<<<I must stay that the previous theme 'Projected Impact of OFC on Stakeholders' has been quite turbulent. We did recieve about 20 postings on this theme(during 4 calender days) and it has been a challenge trying to sieve
them in order to create a brief and reasonable account of the issues, proposals and predictions. In the interest of moving forward, I would wish to introduce the next
On through theme
and but will provide the summary of issues in the final report.>>>.
In general, the Operators have an obligation to maximize profit for their shareholders by virtue of having taken a risk and committed funds into a particular line of business (OFC included). The Consumer on the other hand will always want services at the lowest cost possible (including free
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John Walubengo -
meldon＠symphony.co.ke -
Mr. Barnabas Sang