Dear Florence, Many thanks for taking the time to provide the information as you did. If you remember as TESPOK, we registered the domain name kiplist.or.ke and that is still available for any eventuality. We certainly do not lay claims to that and as you are also aware we also registered and provided the KICTAnet.or.ke list services for FREE to the everyone. I would just like to add that even though Bill has this view that we in private sector were out to get donor funds, this is purely an isolated view and that most people that have interacted with TESPOK know that we have played a partner support role rather than as implied. National ICT issues are not necessarily for only civil society. I therefore strongly feel we need a list where all stakeholders can discuss issues of national interest. As is already stated, each group should have it's own list but we must have a central common list to discuss common issues. be they price or quality of service. The fact that am in private sector (in the Internet business) does not mean I do not have a view on say GSM or other services. I would therefore like to propose an even wilder view - let us get use one list that is Kenyan based kiplist.or.ke and get that hosted by KENIC who are the closest thing to a truly multi-stakeholder body. The list should also be moderated by KENIC - Sorry Victor/Michuki for not consulting you first. This way KICTANet can continue with it's advocacy activities. My two cents worth. -- Joseph Mucheru Chairman Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK) 14th Floor, Bruce House - Standard Street P O Box 27589 -00506 Nairobi, KENYA Tel: +254-20-245036 Cell: +254-722522135 Http://www.tespok.co.ke On 27 Sep 2005, at 19:23, Bill Kagai wrote:

Dear Florence,

I also salute you for taking time to respond to the queries raised...(mostly mine). The bottom line unfortunately remains that Civil Society was short-changed by 3 factors; 1. Inactive CS leaders who we feel have to go and a new crop to take over. 2. Some stakeholders mostly private sector organisations masquerading as civil society domineering and sucking CS organisations out of the process. 3. Lack of support (mostly donor funds) which went to the organisations mentioned in (2) and thus rendering real Civil Society inactive.

All the same I'm happy it is all out in the open and hope recommendations suggested on improving the Civil Society sector will be taken seriously in the projects currently being developed. We look forward to Wainaina leading Civil Society into true engagement in the multistakeholder activities.

Guess mine was to 'inspire then expire'.

-- With Kind Regards, Bildad Kagai CEO - Circuits & Packets Communications Ltd Coordinator - Free Software & Open Source Foundation for Africa (FOSSFA) Suite B2, Tetu Apartments, State House Avenue P. O. Box 20311 - 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Tel. 254 20 2728332 Fax. 254 20 2726965 Cell. 254 722 379409 E. fossfa@gmail.com URL. www.fossfa.net

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