Re: [kictanet] IEBC Voting Day Technical Audit
@Mwangi, Two things. 1. IEBC cannot purpot to audit themselves. Same thing as cops trying to investigate themselves - they will try to cover their xyz. 2. I think it would be some unnecessary distraction at this moment in time to do an independent audit. My take is that we have some independent audit much later - say a year before the next election as a way of "lessons learnt" rather than now where the audit action maybe misinterprated to mean "whom do we blame". In such circumstances, IEBC officials will naturally be protective rather than facilitative. walu. ------------------------------ On Tue, May 28, 2013 8:46 PM AST (Arabian) Mark Mwangi wrote:
Listers,
Now that the elections are long over and nation building is ongoing, is there an Audit being prepared by the IEBC to explain exactly what happened. If there is none then why not?
Are we to accept that the billions spent are gone and accept the results of the wastage?
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
markmwangi.me.ke
Walu I respectfully disagree. The Emperor was found to be naked. So let the emperor be cleansed and new clothes provided to ensure that going forward no one can claim that the emperor was naked when he wasn't. And we need not wait for a year before the elections. This needs to be done now and tested in the myriad of by elections that are inevitable through petitions etc. This country must live up to its hype of being the ICT Hub for Africa. The IEBC needs to be cleansed. This wasn't an issue of technology failing but the leadership failing. An audit need not stop at IT Systems as in my humble opinion that is a red herring. My two cowrie shells. Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On May 29, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Mwangi,
Two things.
1. IEBC cannot purpot to audit themselves. Same thing as cops trying to investigate themselves - they will try to cover their xyz. 2. I think it would be some unnecessary distraction at this moment in time to do an independent audit.
My take is that we have some independent audit much later - say a year before the next election as a way of "lessons learnt" rather than now where the audit action maybe misinterprated to mean "whom do we blame". In such circumstances, IEBC officials will naturally be protective rather than facilitative.
walu.
------------------------------ On Tue, May 28, 2013 8:46 PM AST (Arabian) Mark Mwangi wrote:
Listers,
Now that the elections are long over and nation building is ongoing, is there an Audit being prepared by the IEBC to explain exactly what happened. If there is none then why not?
Are we to accept that the billions spent are gone and accept the results of the wastage?
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
markmwangi.me.ke
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The longer you wait with an audit, the more difficult it will be to do (never mind the whole 'accepting and moving on' propaganda). And if you wait until a year before the next election, you deliberately cut down the time you have to fix anything. On 29 May 2013 08:39, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Walu
I respectfully disagree.
The Emperor was found to be naked. So let the emperor be cleansed and new clothes provided to ensure that going forward no one can claim that the emperor was naked when he wasn't. And we need not wait for a year before the elections. This needs to be done now and tested in the myriad of by elections that are inevitable through petitions etc.
This country must live up to its hype of being the ICT Hub for Africa.
The IEBC needs to be cleansed. This wasn't an issue of technology failing but the leadership failing. An audit need not stop at IT Systems as in my humble opinion that is a red herring.
My two cowrie shells.
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 713 601113
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On May 29, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Mwangi,
Two things.
1. IEBC cannot purpot to audit themselves. Same thing as cops trying to investigate themselves - they will try to cover their xyz. 2. I think it would be some unnecessary distraction at this moment in time to do an independent audit.
My take is that we have some independent audit much later - say a year before the next election as a way of "lessons learnt" rather than now where the audit action maybe misinterprated to mean "whom do we blame". In such circumstances, IEBC officials will naturally be protective rather than facilitative.
walu.
------------------------------ On Tue, May 28, 2013 8:46 PM AST (Arabian) Mark Mwangi wrote:
Listers,
Now that the elections are long over and nation building is ongoing, is
there an Audit being prepared by the IEBC to explain exactly what happened.
If there is none then why not?
Are we to accept that the billions spent are gone and accept the results of
the wastage?
--
Regards,
Mark Mwangi
markmwangi.me.ke
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Ali +1 On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
The longer you wait with an audit, the more difficult it will be to do (never mind the whole 'accepting and moving on' propaganda). And if you wait until a year before the next election, you deliberately cut down the time you have to fix anything.
On 29 May 2013 08:39, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Walu
I respectfully disagree.
The Emperor was found to be naked. So let the emperor be cleansed and new clothes provided to ensure that going forward no one can claim that the emperor was naked when he wasn't. And we need not wait for a year before the elections. This needs to be done now and tested in the myriad of by elections that are inevitable through petitions etc.
This country must live up to its hype of being the ICT Hub for Africa.
The IEBC needs to be cleansed. This wasn't an issue of technology failing but the leadership failing. An audit need not stop at IT Systems as in my humble opinion that is a red herring.
My two cowrie shells.
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 713 601113
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On May 29, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Mwangi,
Two things.
1. IEBC cannot purpot to audit themselves. Same thing as cops trying to investigate themselves - they will try to cover their xyz. 2. I think it would be some unnecessary distraction at this moment in time to do an independent audit.
My take is that we have some independent audit much later - say a year before the next election as a way of "lessons learnt" rather than now where the audit action maybe misinterprated to mean "whom do we blame". In such circumstances, IEBC officials will naturally be protective rather than facilitative.
walu.
------------------------------ On Tue, May 28, 2013 8:46 PM AST (Arabian) Mark Mwangi wrote:
Listers,
Now that the elections are long over and nation building is ongoing, is
there an Audit being prepared by the IEBC to explain exactly what happened.
If there is none then why not?
Are we to accept that the billions spent are gone and accept the results of
the wastage?
--
Regards,
Mark Mwangi
markmwangi.me.ke
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I am with Hussein! On May 29, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Walu
I respectfully disagree.
The Emperor was found to be naked. So let the emperor be cleansed and new clothes provided to ensure that going forward no one can claim that the emperor was naked when he wasn't. And we need not wait for a year before the elections. This needs to be done now and tested in the myriad of by elections that are inevitable through petitions etc.
This country must live up to its hype of being the ICT Hub for Africa.
The IEBC needs to be cleansed. This wasn't an issue of technology failing but the leadership failing. An audit need not stop at IT Systems as in my humble opinion that is a red herring.
My two cowrie shells.
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 713 601113
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On May 29, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Mwangi,
Two things.
1. IEBC cannot purpot to audit themselves. Same thing as cops trying to investigate themselves - they will try to cover their xyz. 2. I think it would be some unnecessary distraction at this moment in time to do an independent audit.
My take is that we have some independent audit much later - say a year before the next election as a way of "lessons learnt" rather than now where the audit action maybe misinterprated to mean "whom do we blame". In such circumstances, IEBC officials will naturally be protective rather than facilitative.
walu.
------------------------------ On Tue, May 28, 2013 8:46 PM AST (Arabian) Mark Mwangi wrote:
Listers,
Now that the elections are long over and nation building is ongoing, is there an Audit being prepared by the IEBC to explain exactly what happened. If there is none then why not?
Are we to accept that the billions spent are gone and accept the results of the wastage?
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
markmwangi.me.ke
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