Re: [kictanet] To save CA from bullies, restore its autonomy and independence
@Kevin I like your response. The interplay between independence and interdependence. :-) I fully agree with you. I have one issue though and this is one of *Corporate Governance*. The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up. No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that. With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board. The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how to go about it so that no one is exposed. Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done. At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable. Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear indication of the situation at the CA.
As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted for and even better a report written about the official activities that were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are achieved.
Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with inter-institutional bureaucracy.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In Summary
- Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters. - This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile banking.
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullie s-restore-its-autonomy-and-independence/440808-4275382-a055q6/index.html
PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us back on the correct path.
Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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Good points of information Ali. The situation is getting clearer for me now. My assumption is that the funds at the CA are actually accessible to the Ministry on request & availability - by the letter of the law. If the MoICT is going outside of the set regulations and these allegations are true then both the PS & DG (for attempting to confer powers of approval that have not been assigned to him) ought to be immediately dismissed from office. The CS should also issue a comprehensive statement to Kenyans indicating how this could have been happening without his knowledge or otherwise. These are public funds that we are talking about. I am now therefore demanding an explanation as is my right as a Kenyan citizen. Regards, Kevin On 24 January 2018 at 18:47, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
@Kevin
I like your response. The interplay between independence and interdependence. :-)
I fully agree with you.
I have one issue though and this is one of *Corporate Governance*. The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up.
No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that. With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board.
The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how to go about it so that no one is exposed.
Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done. At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*Hussein & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear indication of the situation at the CA.
As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted for and even better a report written about the official activities that were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are achieved.
Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with inter-institutional bureaucracy.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In Summary
- Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters. - This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile banking.
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullie s-restore-its-autonomy-and-independence/440808-4275382-a055q6/index.html
PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us back on the correct path.
Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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Kelvin, Please refer to the thread "independent Communications Commission of Kenya" that gives diverse views on what independence means (for example, functional and financial independence) and how in the end, the communications law was amended. This background supports the points that Jaindi is raising that interdependence between the Authority and Ministry should only be at policy and not financial level. Thread starts here https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/2010-November/031757.html On 24 Jan 2018 10:48 am, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Kevin
I like your response. The interplay between independence and interdependence. :-)
I fully agree with you.
I have one issue though and this is one of *Corporate Governance*. The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up.
No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that. With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board.
The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how to go about it so that no one is exposed.
Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done. At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*Hussein & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
Chiromo Road, Westlands,
Nairobi, Kenya.
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear indication of the situation at the CA.
As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted for and even better a report written about the official activities that were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are achieved.
Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with inter-institutional bureaucracy.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In Summary
- Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters. - This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile banking.
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullie s-restore-its-autonomy-and-independence/440808-4275382-a055q6/index.html
PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us back on the correct path.
Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 <+254%20721%20325277> +254733206359 <+254%20733%20206359> Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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Grace Thanks for that trip down memory lane.. Lest we forget.. :-) *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Kelvin, Please refer to the thread "independent Communications Commission of Kenya" that gives diverse views on what independence means (for example, functional and financial independence) and how in the end, the communications law was amended. This background supports the points that Jaindi is raising that interdependence between the Authority and Ministry should only be at policy and not financial level. Thread starts here https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/2010- November/031757.html
On 24 Jan 2018 10:48 am, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Kevin
I like your response. The interplay between independence and interdependence. :-)
I fully agree with you.
I have one issue though and this is one of *Corporate Governance*. The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up.
No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that. With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board.
The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how to go about it so that no one is exposed.
Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done. At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*Hussein & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
Chiromo Road, Westlands,
Nairobi, Kenya.
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear indication of the situation at the CA.
As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted for and even better a report written about the official activities that were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are achieved.
Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with inter-institutional bureaucracy.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In Summary
- Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters. - This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile banking.
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullie s-restore-its-autonomy-and-independence/440808-4275382-a055q 6/index.html
PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us back on the correct path.
Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 <+254%20721%20325277> +254733206359 <+254%20733%20206359> Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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Bwana PS, Thank you for stating your part. Feedback is always important. I will wait for the board's report. Continue with the good work that you are doing. Regards, Kevin On 24 January 2018 at 21:34, sammyitemere--- via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thank you guys unfortunately this far from the truth a conversation will help clarify the really issues at CA. But because the matter is being handled by the board l rest my case. Regards
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Grace
Thanks for that trip down memory lane.. Lest we forget.. :-)
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*Hussein & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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Chiromo Road, Westlands,
Nairobi, Kenya.
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com
wrote:
Kelvin, Please refer to the thread "independent Communications Commission of Kenya" that gives diverse views on what independence means (for example, functional and financial independence) and how in the end, the communications law was amended. This background supports the points that Jaindi is raising that interdependence between the Authority and Ministry should only be at policy and not financial level. Thread starts here https://lists.kictanet.or .ke/pipermail/kictanet/2010-November/031757.html
On 24 Jan 2018 10:48 am, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Kevin
I like your response. The interplay between independence and interdependence. :-)
I fully agree with you.
I have one issue though and this is one of *Corporate Governance*. The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up.
No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that. With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board.
The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how to go about it so that no one is exposed.
Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done. At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*Hussein & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
Chiromo Road, Westlands,
Nairobi, Kenya.
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear indication of the situation at the CA.
As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted for and even better a report written about the official activities that were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are achieved.
Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with inter-institutional bureaucracy.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In Summary
- Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters. - This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile banking.
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullie s-restore-its-autonomy-and-independence/440808-4275382-a055q 6/index.html
PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us back on the correct path.
Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 <+254%20721%20325277> +254733206359 <+254%20733%20206359> Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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There's a lot of truth in what Joseph is saying, I don't think that he means that unqualified people are appointed all the time, the point is, you may be qualified, yes, but you are not appointed for those reasons, you are appointed to fulfill some hidden agenda, we can't run away from this reality. -Regards Tracy Kadesa, LL.B ,University of Nairobi. Dip KSL legalwalk.wordpress.com On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Bwana PS,
Thank you for stating your part. Feedback is always important. I will wait for the board's report. Continue with the good work that you are doing.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 21:34, sammyitemere--- via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thank you guys unfortunately this far from the truth a conversation will help clarify the really issues at CA. But because the matter is being handled by the board l rest my case. Regards
Sent from my Huawei Mobile
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [kictanet] To save CA from bullies, restore its autonomy and independence From: Ali Hussein via kictanet To: sammyitemere@gmail.com CC: Ali Hussein ,KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Grace
Thanks for that trip down memory lane.. Lest we forget.. :-)
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) < nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Kelvin, Please refer to the thread "independent Communications Commission of Kenya" that gives diverse views on what independence means (for example, functional and financial independence) and how in the end, the communications law was amended. This background supports the points that Jaindi is raising that interdependence between the Authority and Ministry should only be at policy and not financial level. Thread starts here https://lists.kictanet.or .ke/pipermail/kictanet/2010-November/031757.html
On 24 Jan 2018 10:48 am, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Kevin
I like your response. The interplay between independence and interdependence. :-)
I fully agree with you.
I have one issue though and this is one of *Corporate Governance*. The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up.
No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that. With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board.
The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how to go about it so that no one is exposed.
Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done. At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*Hussein & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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Chiromo Road, Westlands,
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear indication of the situation at the CA.
As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted for and even better a report written about the official activities that were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are achieved.
Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with inter-institutional bureaucracy.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In Summary
- Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters. - This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile banking.
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullie s-restore-its-autonomy-and-independence/440808-4275382-a055q 6/index.html
PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us back on the correct path.
Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 <+254%20721%20325277> +254733206359 <+254%20733%20206359> Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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We are not a perfect society, neither are we anywhere near average. But when smart people, especially the youth start to despair, it's all downhill from there. The youth are the hope of a society, the fulcrum whose foundation the nation revolves. I've been trying to compare development record and hope of a society of serikali ya wazee (2003-2013), with serikali ya vijana (2013-20xx), and the difference is wide. Despare is literally taking your children down the sewer. I still believe Africa is rising, even if not your Africa, mine is rising. And the future is bright. On Jan 25, 2018 10:24 PM, "Tracy Kadesa Adolwa via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
There's a lot of truth in what Joseph is saying, I don't think that he means that unqualified people are appointed all the time, the point is, you may be qualified, yes, but you are not appointed for those reasons, you are appointed to fulfill some hidden agenda, we can't run away from this reality.
-Regards
Tracy Kadesa, LL.B ,University of Nairobi. Dip KSL legalwalk.wordpress.com
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Bwana PS,
Thank you for stating your part. Feedback is always important. I will wait for the board's report. Continue with the good work that you are doing.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 21:34, sammyitemere--- via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thank you guys unfortunately this far from the truth a conversation will help clarify the really issues at CA. But because the matter is being handled by the board l rest my case. Regards
Sent from my Huawei Mobile
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [kictanet] To save CA from bullies, restore its autonomy and independence From: Ali Hussein via kictanet To: sammyitemere@gmail.com CC: Ali Hussein ,KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Grace
Thanks for that trip down memory lane.. Lest we forget.. :-)
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*Hussein & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
Chiromo Road, Westlands,
Nairobi, Kenya.
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) < nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Kelvin, Please refer to the thread "independent Communications Commission of Kenya" that gives diverse views on what independence means (for example, functional and financial independence) and how in the end, the communications law was amended. This background supports the points that Jaindi is raising that interdependence between the Authority and Ministry should only be at policy and not financial level. Thread starts here https://lists.kictanet.or .ke/pipermail/kictanet/2010-November/031757.html
On 24 Jan 2018 10:48 am, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Kevin
I like your response. The interplay between independence and interdependence. :-)
I fully agree with you.
I have one issue though and this is one of *Corporate Governance*. The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up.
No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that. With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board.
The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how to go about it so that no one is exposed.
Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done. At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*Hussein & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
Chiromo Road, Westlands,
Nairobi, Kenya.
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear indication of the situation at the CA.
As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted for and even better a report written about the official activities that were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are achieved.
Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with inter-institutional bureaucracy.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Listers, > > In Summary > > - Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters. > - This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile > banking. > > https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullie > s-restore-its-autonomy-and-independence/440808-4275382-a055q > 6/index.html > > PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated > extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am > confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us > back on the correct path. > > Regards > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > +254721325277 <+254%20721%20325277> > +254733206359 <+254%20733%20206359> > Skype: barrack.otieno > PGP ID: 0x2611D86A > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m > ailman/options/kictanet/kevin.kamonye%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >
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Tracy, There could very well be a lot of truth in what Joseph wrote. My response to him was meant to indicate that we should limit ourselves to specific allegations directed at specific individuals. Remember that there are many senior government officials who are active members here and they would be at a loss on how to defend themselves when they are mentioned but not really mentioned... On the flip side, there are the others who are not a part of this community yet and as such they have no means through which they can respond. Once again, for general allegations let us meet at the market and take it from there. Regards, Kevin On 25 January 2018 at 22:24, Tracy Kadesa Adolwa <kadesatracy@gmail.com> wrote:
There's a lot of truth in what Joseph is saying, I don't think that he means that unqu alified people are appointed all the time, the point is, you may be qualified, yes, but you are not appointed for those reasons, you are appointed to fulfill some hidden agenda, we can't run away from this reality.
-Regards
Tracy Kadesa, LL.B ,University of Nairobi. Dip KSL legalwalk.wordpress.com
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Bwana PS,
Thank you for stating your part. Feedback is always important. I will wait for the board's report. Continue with the good work that you are doing.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 21:34, sammyitemere--- via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thank you guys unfortunately this far from the truth a conversation will help clarify the really issues at CA. But because the matter is being handled by the board l rest my case. Regards
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Thanks for that trip down memory lane.. Lest we forget.. :-)
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) < nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Kelvin, Please refer to the thread "independent Communications Commission of Kenya" that gives diverse views on what independence means (for example, functional and financial independence) and how in the end, the communications law was amended. This background supports the points that Jaindi is raising that interdependence between the Authority and Ministry should only be at policy and not financial level. Thread starts here https://lists.kictanet.or .ke/pipermail/kictanet/2010-November/031757.html
On 24 Jan 2018 10:48 am, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Kevin
I like your response. The interplay between independence and interdependence. :-)
I fully agree with you.
I have one issue though and this is one of *Corporate Governance*. The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up.
No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that. With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board.
The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how to go about it so that no one is exposed.
Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done. At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable.
Regards
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear indication of the situation at the CA.
As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted for and even better a report written about the official activities that were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are achieved.
Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with inter-institutional bureaucracy.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Listers, > > In Summary > > - Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters. > - This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile > banking. > > https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullie > s-restore-its-autonomy-and-independence/440808-4275382-a055q > 6/index.html > > PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated > extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am > confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us > back on the correct path. > > Regards > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > +254721325277 <+254%20721%20325277> > +254733206359 <+254%20733%20206359> > Skype: barrack.otieno > PGP ID: 0x2611D86A > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m > ailman/options/kictanet/kevin.kamonye%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >
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Interesting insights..! Perhaps if one was to take a pause if you will, and really take the long, hard and objective view across board, then one might realize that our malaise truly runs deep indeed, and this could just be but a tip of the iceberg. Suffice it to say that achieving "institutional independence" as a framework right at this moment is a tall order indeed..! Most tend to adopt a vertical "servant-master" approach. Look across institutions..! So, again, where did the rain start beating us on a journey we had embarked on so earnestly to truly build & transform these institutions..? Is it power, politics, influence, or bourgeoisie, or all these..? An answer somehow, lies therein, somewhere. Guys, I daresay we inherited some pretty bad "colonialist" mindset/mentality on their way out as they handed independence to us. We have to throw that out the window. Good thing, this debate/conversation is ongoing.. Well, inescapably, all is not lost. Harry On 24 Jan 2018 20:19, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Grace Thanks for that trip down memory lane.. Lest we forget.. :-) *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Kelvin, Please refer to the thread "independent Communications Commission of Kenya" that gives diverse views on what independence means (for example, functional and financial independence) and how in the end, the communications law was amended. This background supports the points that Jaindi is raising that interdependence between the Authority and Ministry should only be at policy and not financial level. Thread starts here https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/2010-No vember/031757.html
On 24 Jan 2018 10:48 am, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Kevin
I like your response. The interplay between independence and interdependence. :-)
I fully agree with you.
I have one issue though and this is one of *Corporate Governance*. The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up.
No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that. With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board.
The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how to go about it so that no one is exposed.
Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done. At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable.
Regards
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear indication of the situation at the CA.
As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted for and even better a report written about the official activities that were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are achieved.
Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with inter-institutional bureaucracy.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In Summary
- Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters. - This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile banking.
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullie s-restore-its-autonomy-and-independence/440808-4275382-a055q 6/index.html
PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us back on the correct path.
Regards
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Thanks Grace for taking us down memory lane. See Wangusi's viewpoint on what constitues an Independence Regulator. This was eight (8) years ago when he was not at the helm: WANGUSI, FRANCIS WANGUSI AT CCK.GO.KE [1] _Wed Nov 17 13:21:30 EAT 2010_ * Previous message: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission ofKenya-PolicyProcess [2] * Next message: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya [3] * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [4] [ thread ] [5] [ subject ] [6] [ author ] [7] ------------------------- Hi Folks, May I take this opportunity to sway you away from the monotony of discussing where the next forum for deliberating on the two bills should be to the real issues in the two bills. The two bills are for the creation of independent institutions of the Media Council and the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya. I must pat the drafters of these two bills on their backs for having identified the actual areas of concern and their attempts to realign them with articles 34 (3) & (5) of the constitution. It is important for us to address the issues raised in this bills in an attempt to come up with bills that will guarantee the existence of a wide range of independent and autonomous media in the broadcasting sub-sector. of course proportionate regulation is essential to guarantee the freedom of media while at the same time ensuring a balance between that freedom and other legitimate rights and interests. Perhaps most importantly in order to preserve broadcasting as part of the democratic process, we should aim at creating independence in regulatory institutions dealing with broadcasting in the sector. the question that begs in the minds of many is who is real an independent regulator? According to Eva Solomon, an independent regulator can be obtained by using the following criteria; · Means of appointment: should be clearly set out in law and should be done in a democratic and transparent manner. · Remit of the regulatory authority: duties and responsibilities of an independent regulator should be clearly set out in law as should the means through which they will be held accountable. · Terms for termination of appointment: one of the most invidious ways in which a regulatory authority can be subject to political pressure and influence is through the threat of dismissal. Thus the law must state clearly the factors which may lead to dismissal. · Funding: funding can be used as a means of exerting political pressure. Terms of funding should be set out in law, and whenever possible be kept separate from any potential political interference. · Conflicts of interest: apart from being independent of political forces, members of the regulatory authority must be free from any potential personal conflict of interest with the broadcasting sector. Perhaps, based on the above arguments, folks; you can analyze the two bills and see if they actually meet the above criteria and/or propose appropriate changes in order to expedite the process before the next forum. I want to propose that in order to overcome the potential contravention of chapter 15 of the new constitution, the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya be named Independent Communications Regulatory Authority of Kenya (ICRAK). From: kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke [8] [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke [8]] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:15 AM To: Wangusi, Francis Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission ofKenya-Policy Process Best regards Githaiga, Grace On Wednesday, 24-01-2018 at 20:09 Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet wrote: Kelvin, Please refer to the thread "independent Communications Commission of Kenya" that gives diverse views on what independence means (for example, functional and financial independence) and how in the end, the communications law was amended. This background supports the points that Jaindi is raising that interdependence between the Authority and Ministry should only be at policy and not financial level. Thread starts here https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/2010-November/031757.html On 24 Jan 2018 10:48 am, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" wrote: @Kevin I like your response. The interplay between independence and interdependence. :-) I fully agree with you. I have one issue though and this is one of Corporate Governance. The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up. No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that. With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board. The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how to go about it so that no one is exposed. Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done. At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable. Regards Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim [9] 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet wrote: I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear indication of the situation at the CA. As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted for and even better a report written about the official activities that were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are achieved. Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with inter-institutional bureaucracy. Regards, Kevin On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet wrote: Listers, In Summary * Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters. * This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile banking. https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullies-restore-its-au... PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us back on the correct path. Regards -- Barrack O. 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Joseph McDonald. Your sentiments are the most pessimistic that I have read in a while. So basically governments work in a certain way and that is that? You are saying that we cannot make any meaningful contribution towards improving the current situation? What is the point of this forum and all the work that many here and elsewhere are putting in towards reforms? Be informed that this in not just some academic/theoretical exercise that we are undertaking here. And also do not just throw general accusations here as if this is a village market. Who will doctor the report? And whose interests are meant to be served by the office of the CA DG? Are you also alleging that all the officials in Public Office today were not appointed based on their merit but to serve the interests of certain individuals? Can you give specific names instead of dishonouring all? What are you as an informed citizen doing to raise awareness and possibly drive the required changes? If you have no point to make then it is best to wait till otherwise. Regards, Kevin On 24 January 2018 at 23:45, Joseph McDonald via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The discussion of independence a d interdependence, corporate governance,and what ought to be unfortunately are academic and theoretical in nature.In practice no one or no institution can be allowed to be independent least of all in an African government context.The truth is most governments are amorphous and expediency is the order of the day and personal interest is the driving force in most of the decisions.If the powers that be..dont want Wangusi at the helm...his goose is cooked...the audit report can be doctered,he can be accused of improper conduct.....etc...But that is the way governments work.You are appointed either in board or at the helm of institution be it Ministry or department not because of expertise but to serve certain interest period!...Once your usefulness ends they get the next guy to serve the interests....its interest interest interest.Wangusi is not the first and will not be the last.He should start thinking of life after CA....Meanwhile lets continue with the independence,dependence,governance discussion they are also informative....
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. *From: *Grace Githaiga via kictanet *Sent: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:19 PM *To: *Joseph McDonald *Reply To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Cc: *Grace Githaiga *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] To save CA from bullies, restore its autonomy and independence
Thanks Grace for taking us down memory lane.
See Wangusi's viewpoint on what constitues an Independence Regulator. This was eight (8) years ago when he was not at the helm: *Wangusi, Francis* Wangusi at cck.go.ke <kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke?Subject=Re%3A%20%5Bkictanet%5D%20Independent%20Communications%20Commission%20ofKenya-Policy%0A%09Process&In-Reply-To=%3CEA7B65B9350B1745BC04CC9E5DCE029802B79025%40hq-msg-01.CCK%3E>*Wed Nov 17 13:21:30 EAT 2010*
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Hi Folks, May I take this opportunity to sway you away from the monotony of discussing where the next forum for deliberating on the two bills should be to the real issues in the two bills. The two bills are for the creation of independent institutions of the Media Council and the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya. I must pat the drafters of these two bills on their backs for having identified the actual areas of concern and their attempts to realign them with articles 34 (3) & (5) of the constitution. It is important for us to address the issues raised in this bills in an attempt to come up with bills that will guarantee the existence of a wide range of independent and autonomous media in the broadcasting sub-sector. of course proportionate regulation is essential to guarantee the freedom of media while at the same time ensuring a balance between that freedom and other legitimate rights and interests. Perhaps most importantly in order to preserve broadcasting as part of the democratic process, we should aim at creating independence in regulatory institutions dealing with broadcasting in the sector. the question that begs in the minds of many is who is real an independent regulator? According to Eva Solomon, an independent regulator can be obtained by using the following criteria; · Means of appointment: should be clearly set out in law and should be done in a democratic and transparent manner. · Remit of the regulatory authority: duties and responsibilities of an independent regulator should be clearly set out in law as should the means through which they will be held accountable. · Terms for termination of appointment: one of the most invidious ways in which a regulatory authority can be subject to political pressure and influence is through the threat of dismissal. Thus the law must state clearly the factors which may lead to dismissal. · Funding: funding can be used as a means of exerting political pressure. Terms of funding should be set out in law, and whenever possible be kept separate from any potential political interference. · Conflicts of interest: apart from being independent of political forces, members of the regulatory authority must be free from any potential personal conflict of interest with the broadcasting sector. Perhaps, based on the above arguments, folks; you can analyze the two bills and see if they actually meet the above criteria and/or propose appropriate changes in order to expedite the process before the next forum. I want to propose that in order to overcome the potential contravention of chapter 15 of the new constitution, the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya be named Independent Communications Regulatory Authority of Kenya (ICRAK).
From: kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke <https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke <https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet>] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:15 AM To: Wangusi, Francis Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission ofKenya-Policy Process
Best regards
Githaiga, Grace
On Wednesday, 24-01-2018 at 20:09 Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet wrote:
Kelvin, Please refer to the thread "independent Communications Commission of Kenya" that gives diverse views on what independence means (for example, functional and financial independence) and how in the end, the communications law was amended. This background supports the points that Jaindi is raising that interdependence between the Authority and Ministry should only be at policy and not financial level. Thread starts here https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/2010-No vember/031757.html
On 24 Jan 2018 10:48 am, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Kevin
I like your response. The interplay between independence and interdependence. [image: :-)]
I fully agree with you.
I have one issue though and this is one of *Corporate Governance*. The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up.
No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that. With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board.
The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how to go about it so that no one is exposed.
Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done. At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable.
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear indication of the situation at the CA.
As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted for and even better a report written about the official activities that were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are achieved.
Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with inter-institutional bureaucracy.
Regards,
Kevin
On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In Summary
- Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters. - This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile banking.
https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullie s-restore-its-autonomy-and-independence/440808-4275382-a055q 6/index.html
PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us back on the correct path.
Regards
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Ali Hussein -
Grace Githaiga -
Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) -
Harry Delano -
Joseph McDonald -
Kevin Kamonye -
Mwendwa Kivuva -
sammyitemere＠gmail.com -
Tracy Kadesa Adolwa