Blessed Thursday! I wonder why the query came in - perhaps research or competition analysis or to further some business? However this information must be somewhere. Marketers in Kenya are everyday fronting social media tactics to their clients including some WApp measures using which metrics? The GODAN concept may interest some of you! It does not necessarily have to be regulatory driven and there can be information sharing with privacy. Today, a lot is now beyond just good to have, good to share or good to do for enterprises. It must be tough for corporations - as industry muscle of some trade secrets may be open secrets now. http://www.godan.info/pages/statement-purpose In line with global movements for open data and open access, the initiative seeks to: advocate for open data and open access policies by default, in both public and private sectors, whilst respecting and working to balance openness with legitimate concerns in relation to privacy, security, community rights and commercial interests; advocate for the release and re-usability of data in support of Innovation and Economic Growth, Improved Service Delivery and Effective Governance, and Improved Environmental and Social Outcomes; GODAN supports the proactive sharing of open data to make information about agriculture and nutrition available, accessible and usable to deal with the urgent challenge of ensuring world food security. It is a rapidly growing group, currently with over 277 partners from national governments, non-governmental, international and private sector organisations that have committed to a joint Statement of Purpose. The initiative focuses on building high-level support among governments, policymakers, international organizations and business. GODAN promotes collaboration to harness the growing volume of data generated by new technologies to solve long-standing problems and to benefit farmers and the health of consumers. We encourage collaboration and cooperation between stakeholders in the sector. === Have a blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 26/5/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No? To: wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "Ebele Okobi" <ebeleokobi@fb.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, 26 May, 2016, 0:21 It's necessary to have a mobile subscription and to pay the mobile operator to use online services in Kenya, abi? So what do you mean when you say that operators are losing customers? Consumers pay operators for data, no be so? And then they use the data that they pay for to access all kinds of services, including yum.co.ke, ongair, okhi, Ushahidi, and yes, WhatsApp. Should the consumer pay twice? Should the operator get to decide what the consumer does with the data they purchased? If online services did not exist, what would drive data consumption? By this logic, mobile operators shouldn't even exist, as they have surely put fixed line telephony out of business. And what about the telegraph companies?! Or the post? Should regulation ensure that those remain the only mode of communication? W/r to sharing data on number of users-per previously-Facebook gladly shares the number of users in Kenya! With press releases and great fanfare. WhatsApp is a much newer entity; they are not there yet, in any country. When they are, I'll be glad to let you know! Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com On May 25, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Baiju Shah <baiju@telemedia.co.ke> wrote: Hi Ebele, In my view of being transparent and to demonstrate that you have a recognition of the Kenyan customers using your services will be interesting for the group. Telco operators like Orange, Equitel, Airtel and Safaricom do have a good idea of the losses that face when a user chooses to use whatsapp for their voice and messaging needs. Therefore, consider sharing some stats with the group, maybe the Communications Authority can make is mandatory to report the usage of the different services may be or the operators can submit the required figures of their loss to what's app. Thanks, Best Regards, Baiju On 25 May 2016, at 22:47, Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com> wrote: I think there is a bit of confusion about what regulatory requirements apply to WhatsApp or to Facebook on this thread, as well as a misunderstanding of my reply. WA has not released numbers for any countries, and there is no regulatory requirement that WhatsApp do so. Facebook does release Kenya numbers, voluntarily. It's not clear to me what "shame" has to do with this conversation, but I'm always happy to be educated! Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com On May 25, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi All, All mobile companies in Kenya will be able to tell you how much biz they are loosing to .what's app in terms of subscribers and further more the loss of sms traffic will provide a good yardstick. Else, get the CA to ask FB for the numbers that is easy and they Will provide the numbers if they want to comply with regulatory requirements. FB - please provide the numbers it is nothing to be ashamed about. Thanks, Best Regards, Baiju On 25 May 2016 21:45, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Those are very possible numbers considering even my grandma is on our family whatsapp group..:-) Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113  Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 May 2016, at 8:12 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: The CEO of Ongair estimated today at #WhatsNextMedia that there more than 8m people on Whatsapp Sidney Touched not typed from my Infinix Z3 On 25 May 2016 7:14 pm, "Ebele Okobi via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Unfortunately, we don't have public by country numbers-apologies! Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com On May 25, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Apologies for the delay-far too much travel. I’m not sure if we have public figures for WhatsApp by country-I’ll inquire internally and revert. Best, Ebele <6F096681-9A34-452C-A5CD-1D0E4C64A463[6].png> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315 2 Stephen St | London | W1T 1AN ebeleokobi@fb.com From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, May 16, 2016 at 4:59 PM To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com> Cc: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No? 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