Great to hear of your experiences Bw. PS. I hope Kenyans do not take to suicide after questionable deals otherwise there may be no-one left in the country (light touch)! Waudo On Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:19 PM, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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PS, I bring back the debate of your for presidency! I strongly feel you have a lot to offer and wish Kenyans would vote beyond political rhetoric! What do you think should be done to promote such change in this country? Am impressed by the Korea's experience beyond words and feel thoroughly challenged. However, at times I think we do not want real change because we benefit from the chaotic system in our country. Jane From: kictanet-bounces+info=amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+info=amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of James Mbugua Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:35 PM To: info@amwik.org Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea PS That is enlightening stuff. Please also check out the last mile solutions. As I have always told you, I think government should build the fiber to the home with an allocation from the national budget the same way we allocate money for roads. Private sector can't do it and where they do, they will charge an arm and a leg to "recoup investments." They key lesson to be learnt also from those observations is productivity per capita. Kenyans are hard workers but we have inefficient production systems. The amount a Chinese or Korean worker produces in an hour is probably what a Kenyan worker will take a day or two to produce. We must think of ways of improving productivity. Manual labourers must not be allowed to hold this economy hostage with their abysmal production levels and loud, unreasonable politics. If you haven't guessed by now which manual labourers I speak of, think Atwoli and his tea pickers who won't allow mechanization at the farms and the dock workers who won't allow efforts to make the Port of Mombasa more efficient. Economic development theories dictate that mechanization takes place to free up manual labourers to move into other economic sectors. We must look seriously at our level of productivity if we are to develop to Korea's level. James Mbugua On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:19 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010. Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period. For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil. I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization. Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero. There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation. Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends. My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame. Regards Ndemo. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Jane, There are possibly reasons why Korea is doing better than its 1960s peers. Casual look on the road tells you that more than nine out of ten vehicles on the road are Korean. You either see the Hyundai or a Kia and sometimes a Samsung. There is practically no foreign car here even the Toyota which originally gave the technology to Korea. I am told that 100% of the home appliances are locally manufactured. This level of patriotism (royalty to local outputs) is not by accident. South Korea is sandwiched by two powerful economies, that is, Japan and China. This is an export-orientated country, with a total trade volume exceeding 900 billion in 2010. This figure also makes them the 7th largest exporter and 10th largest importer in the world. Since 2003, South Korea has established its network of free trade agreements to boost trade and economic ties with other countries. Currently, South Korea has 5 FTAs in effect, 3 FTAs which has concluded discussions, and 19 FTAs under negotiation and consideration. So far, the biggest FTA of South Korea is the Korea-US Free Trade Agreement (KORUS FTA) signed in 2007. This free trade agreement plans to liberate 95 percent of the trade tariffs between the 2 countries. It is also US first free trade agreement with a major Asian economy and biggest deal since the North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) signed with Japan in 1993. Even with these FTAs some Koreans oppose especially FTA with the US. At a neatly organized rally (looked like an AGM of some company) people are gathered to protest FTA with the US. They argue it will hurt their industry. With a lack in natural resources, South Korea has a high dependence on import of capital goods, raw materials and industrial supplies. The country is also the 5th largest importer of oil in the world, with 3.074 million barrels imported per day. This makes Korea a good case study for Kenya as we have almost a similar background. At the height of structural adjustment program (SAP), Kenya had practically developed local capacity to manufacture cars. Uhuru then manufactured by General Motors had attained more than 60% local content. The neighbouring countries had begun to import Uhuru from Kenya but we were more focused on exports to Europe than exploiting the regional market. The then Government which ironically introduced Nyayo car found it easier to import used cars from Japan. We had lost track of going through a learning curve and create local capacities. Similar tastes were developing in the textile industry that led to the shutdown of Rivertex. The change of policy from SAPs to liberalization gave rise to looting of public enterprises (Read Kenatco, KNTC, ICDC, Kisumu Molasses, Kenya National Assurance, AT&H etc.) Other countries notably Korea, Singapore and Australia turned to corporatization of state enterprises and they succeeded big. If there were to be any justice through TJRC, it is the repossession of these assets to enable us create a youth venture capital to help the youth set up enterprises. I am well aware that Kenya media knows who looted and the state of those assets. There is no need for us to be sorry about the past and keep on whining about the future. We must identify the opportunities that are glaring at us. It is not for nothing that God denied Middle East the land to grow food and gave them oil. We have a comparative advantage in certain areas that only after we exploit them that it becomes an opportunity. We must move from the past where opportunity meant a job opportunity to an environment where opportunity means you need to scratch your head and see a window where others have not seen one then exploit the chance. Africa and Middle East provides that window. We also must be patient and willing to take collective sacrifices for us to succeed as a nation. You visit India and see that they do not import many vehicles too. In as much as the Mahindra is slow and ugly, Indian buys it. The Tata truck may not be great but Indians buy it. We have exported raw coffee far too long as we import instant coffee from our raw materials. Building a value added industry of our resources for the African market will make Kenya the largest economy in Africa. In two years’ time consumption in Africa will top $3 trillion. I have not even talked about AGOA which remains unexploited. Think. Regards Ndemo.

PS,

I bring back the debate of your for presidency! I strongly feel you have a lot to offer and wish Kenyans would vote beyond political rhetoric! What do you think should be done to promote such change in this country? Am impressed by the Korea's experience beyond words and feel thoroughly challenged. However, at times I think we do not want real change because we benefit from the chaotic system in our country.

Jane

From: kictanet-bounces+info=amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+info=amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of James Mbugua Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:35 PM To: info@amwik.org Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea

PS

That is enlightening stuff. Please also check out the last mile solutions. As I have always told you, I think government should build the fiber to the home with an allocation from the national budget the same way we allocate money for roads. Private sector can't do it and where they do, they will charge an arm and a leg to "recoup investments."

They key lesson to be learnt also from those observations is productivity per capita.

Kenyans are hard workers but we have inefficient production systems.

The amount a Chinese or Korean worker produces in an hour is probably what a Kenyan worker will take a day or two to produce.

We must think of ways of improving productivity.

Manual labourers must not be allowed to hold this economy hostage with their abysmal production levels and loud, unreasonable politics.

If you haven't guessed by now which manual labourers I speak of, think Atwoli and his tea pickers who won't allow mechanization at the farms and the dock workers who won't allow efforts to make the Port of Mombasa more efficient.

Economic development theories dictate that mechanization takes place to free up manual labourers to move into other economic sectors. We must look seriously at our level of productivity if we are to develop to Korea's level.

James Mbugua

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:19 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Muraya, Let it be clear that as we fight corruption, we are not the only corrupt. I am reading Capitalism 4.0 and Kaletsky argues that "politicians are corrupt, banks are greedy and voters are stupid". If you have followed the financial crisis in both US and Europe, you cannot believe the level of corruption. I am looking forward to see what TI reports. Although I support the idea that we should fight our own corruption war, it is absurd to be characterized as corrupt yet we see what is happening. We need to understand these new forms of corruption as they impact on us. The volatility of our shilling is a reaction to the financial crisis elsewhere. If we were to leave everything to the dictates of economics, our shilling will highly be valued. The continued currency manipulation by some countries will destabilize Africa. What you are seeing is a failure of Laissers-faire economics (Less Government more Private Sector) promoted by Reagan/Thatcher regimes and other economists such as Rand. Even Liberal Democrats like Clinton and Blair had to become centrist in order to be elected and shifted from Keynesian economics that had served the world for decades. We adopted this nonsensical economics and that is why Land in Kenya appreciates on a daily basis without any economic explanations. We then start blaming ourselves in Movoko County. Let us decide what ideology is good for us and stop being appendages of others. Sorry Blackberry is a nightmare for typing. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "S.M. Muraya" <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:04:25 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea - Dr Ndemo for Presidency! Can we say, development revolves around transparency? Should we not focus on more than revenue collection? It is harder to steal (citizen time / public funds) when everyone can see what you are or not doing? Revenue collections can increase even with improved citizen / customer / client relationship management. Who is to blame for the demolitions in Mavoko (Syokimau)? Some victims (citizens) say when they were building, the Mavoko County Council was aware and never told them anything. Is it not time for especially for local governments to request citizen e-mail addresses in various applications for services and approvals? Also, have often wondered how to report good behavior when in govt offices / parastatals. This will get good people promoted -- and we know good people are more likely themselves to hire / promote / contract other good people. On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:38 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Jane, There are possibly reasons why Korea is doing better than its 1960s peers. Casual look on the road tells you that more than nine out of ten vehicles on the road are Korean. You either see the Hyundai or a Kia and sometimes a Samsung. There is practically no foreign car here even the Toyota which originally gave the technology to Korea. I am told that 100% of the home appliances are locally manufactured. This level of patriotism (royalty to local outputs) is not by accident. South Korea is sandwiched by two powerful economies, that is, Japan and China.

This is an export-orientated country, with a total trade volume exceeding 900 billion in 2010. This figure also makes them the 7th largest exporter and 10th largest importer in the world. Since 2003, South Korea has established its network of free trade agreements to boost trade and economic ties with other countries.

Currently, South Korea has 5 FTAs in effect, 3 FTAs which has concluded discussions, and 19 FTAs under negotiation and consideration. So far, the biggest FTA of South Korea is the Korea-US Free Trade Agreement (KORUS FTA) signed in 2007. This free trade agreement plans to liberate 95 percent of the trade tariffs between the 2 countries. It is also US first free trade agreement with a major Asian economy and biggest deal since the North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) signed with Japan in 1993. Even with these FTAs some Koreans oppose especially FTA with the US. At a neatly organized rally (looked like an AGM of some company) people are gathered to protest FTA with the US. They argue it will hurt their industry.

With a lack in natural resources, South Korea has a high dependence on import of capital goods, raw materials and industrial supplies. The country is also the 5th largest importer of oil in the world, with 3.074 million barrels imported per day.

This makes Korea a good case study for Kenya as we have almost a similar background. At the height of structural adjustment program (SAP), Kenya had practically developed local capacity to manufacture cars. Uhuru then manufactured by General Motors had attained more than 60% local content. The neighbouring countries had begun to import Uhuru from Kenya but we were more focused on exports to Europe than exploiting the regional market. The then Government which ironically introduced Nyayo car found it easier to import used cars from Japan. We had lost track of going through a learning curve and create local capacities. Similar tastes were developing in the textile industry that led to the shutdown of Rivertex. The change of policy from SAPs to liberalization gave rise to looting of public enterprises (Read Kenatco, KNTC, ICDC, Kisumu Molasses, Kenya National Assurance, AT&H etc.) Other countries notably Korea, Singapore and Australia turned to corporatization of state enterprises and they succeeded big. If there were to be any justice through TJRC, it is the repossession of these assets to enable us create a youth venture capital to help the youth set up enterprises. I am well aware that Kenya media knows who looted and the state of those assets.

There is no need for us to be sorry about the past and keep on whining about the future. We must identify the opportunities that are glaring at us. It is not for nothing that God denied Middle East the land to grow food and gave them oil. We have a comparative advantage in certain areas that only after we exploit them that it becomes an opportunity. We must move from the past where opportunity meant a job opportunity to an environment where opportunity means you need to scratch your head and see a window where others have not seen one then exploit the chance. Africa and Middle East provides that window.

We also must be patient and willing to take collective sacrifices for us to succeed as a nation. You visit India and see that they do not import many vehicles too. In as much as the Mahindra is slow and ugly, Indian buys it. The Tata truck may not be great but Indians buy it. We have exported raw coffee far too long as we import instant coffee from our raw materials. Building a value added industry of our resources for the African market will make Kenya the largest economy in Africa. In two years’ time consumption in Africa will top $3 trillion. I have not even talked about AGOA which remains unexploited. Think.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

PS,

I bring back the debate of your for presidency! I strongly feel you have a lot to offer and wish Kenyans would vote beyond political rhetoric! What do you think should be done to promote such change in this country? Am impressed by the Korea's experience beyond words and feel thoroughly challenged. However, at times I think we do not want real change because we benefit from the chaotic system in our country.

Jane

From: kictanet-bounces+info=amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+info=amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of James Mbugua Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:35 PM To: info@amwik.org Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea

PS

That is enlightening stuff. Please also check out the last mile solutions. As I have always told you, I think government should build the fiber to the home with an allocation from the national budget the same way we allocate money for roads. Private sector can't do it and where they do, they will charge an arm and a leg to "recoup investments."

They key lesson to be learnt also from those observations is productivity per capita.

Kenyans are hard workers but we have inefficient production systems.

The amount a Chinese or Korean worker produces in an hour is probably what a Kenyan worker will take a day or two to produce.

We must think of ways of improving productivity.

Manual labourers must not be allowed to hold this economy hostage with their abysmal production levels and loud, unreasonable politics.

If you haven't guessed by now which manual labourers I speak of, think Atwoli and his tea pickers who won't allow mechanization at the farms and the dock workers who won't allow efforts to make the Port of Mombasa more efficient.

Economic development theories dictate that mechanization takes place to free up manual labourers to move into other economic sectors. We must look seriously at our level of productivity if we are to develop to Korea's level.

James Mbugua

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:19 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Alice Best, Actually, on the contrary South Korea is a healthy Democracy with a thriving healthy amount of democratic space. Just last week, I saw some protesters taking to the streets in Seoul.. We should guard jealously democratic ideals that help nurture enterprise. Some of this has come at a price. But again with this comes responsibility. We have to learn very fast from elsewhere, including here at home on our own continent that sometimes the so called "freedom struggles" for democratic space could quickly degenerate into autocracies with those now in power bent on choking out every inch of space that was initially fought for.. I think if I would sum it up, I would put it this way; vision on the direction a country needs to take has to start at the top. Secondly, servant leadership calls - selflessness, and country first. Thirdly, systems and support structures. Lastly, everyone has a role to play to move the country forward in their own unique setting, however little that role is. Lastly, is Aki still on this list..? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alice Munyua Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:42 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea - Dr Ndemo for Presidency! Dear P.S Ndemo, You note that we have adopted nonsensical ideologies, did we have a choice? Many have have argued that we have often lacked the socio-economic organisation to transform and develop into advanced economies and that's the reason why we seem to continuously adopt foreign ideologies and depend on industrialised countries. Countries like Korea seem to have certain attributes that have enabled them to adapt more easily to "development" from having a more educated/skilled labour force, technologically advanced, but the most important factor seems to be their (authoritarian) leadership, who are more ideologically committed to socio-economic progress and development. The Korean experience raise's the old questions regarding the relationship between socio-economic development and regime type. So could the challenge and a our biggest problem be corrupt politicians and stupid voters? And perhaps it is time to move towards de-ideologisation having experienced the failure of previous "adopted" ideologies in solving our unique challenges and crises and let us hope that it will be sustainable. Best Alice On 14/11/2011 16:06, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote: Muraya, Let it be clear that as we fight corruption, we are not the only corrupt. I am reading Capitalism 4.0 and Kaletsky argues that "politicians are corrupt, banks are greedy and voters are stupid". If you have followed the financial crisis in both US and Europe, you cannot believe the level of corruption. I am looking forward to see what TI reports. Although I support the idea that we should fight our own corruption war, it is absurd to be characterized as corrupt yet we see what is happening. We need to understand these new forms of corruption as they impact on us. The volatility of our shilling is a reaction to the financial crisis elsewhere. If we were to leave everything to the dictates of economics, our shilling will highly be valued. The continued currency manipulation by some countries will destabilize Africa. What you are seeing is a failure of Laissers-faire economics (Less Government more Private Sector) promoted by Reagan/Thatcher regimes and other economists such as Rand. Even Liberal Democrats like Clinton and Blair had to become centrist in order to be elected and shifted from Keynesian economics that had served the world for decades. We adopted this nonsensical economics and that is why Land in Kenya appreciates on a daily basis without any economic explanations. We then start blaming ourselves in Movoko County. Let us decide what ideology is good for us and stop being appendages of others. Sorry Blackberry is a nightmare for typing. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR _____ From: "S.M. Muraya" <mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com> <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:04:25 +0300 To: <mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke> <bitange@jambo.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea - Dr Ndemo for Presidency! Can we say, development revolves around transparency? Should we not focus on more than revenue collection? It is harder to steal (citizen time / public funds) when everyone can see what you are or not doing? Revenue collections can increase even with improved citizen / customer / client relationship management. Who is to blame for the demolitions in Mavoko (Syokimau)? Some victims (citizens) say when they were building, the Mavoko County Council was aware and never told them anything. Is it not time for especially for local governments to request citizen e-mail addresses in various applications for services and approvals? Also, have often wondered how to report good behavior when in govt offices / parastatals. This will get good people promoted -- and we know good people are more likely themselves to hire / promote / contract other good people. On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:38 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Jane, There are possibly reasons why Korea is doing better than its 1960s peers. Casual look on the road tells you that more than nine out of ten vehicles on the road are Korean. You either see the Hyundai or a Kia and sometimes a Samsung. There is practically no foreign car here even the Toyota which originally gave the technology to Korea. I am told that 100% of the home appliances are locally manufactured. This level of patriotism (royalty to local outputs) is not by accident. South Korea is sandwiched by two powerful economies, that is, Japan and China. This is an export-orientated country, with a total trade volume exceeding 900 billion in 2010. This figure also makes them the 7th largest exporter and 10th largest importer in the world. Since 2003, South Korea has established its network of free trade agreements to boost trade and economic ties with other countries. Currently, South Korea has 5 FTAs in effect, 3 FTAs which has concluded discussions, and 19 FTAs under negotiation and consideration. So far, the biggest FTA of South Korea is the Korea-US Free Trade Agreement (KORUS FTA) signed in 2007. This free trade agreement plans to liberate 95 percent of the trade tariffs between the 2 countries. It is also US first free trade agreement with a major Asian economy and biggest deal since the North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) signed with Japan in 1993. Even with these FTAs some Koreans oppose especially FTA with the US. At a neatly organized rally (looked like an AGM of some company) people are gathered to protest FTA with the US. They argue it will hurt their industry. With a lack in natural resources, South Korea has a high dependence on import of capital goods, raw materials and industrial supplies. The country is also the 5th largest importer of oil in the world, with 3.074 million barrels imported per day. This makes Korea a good case study for Kenya as we have almost a similar background. At the height of structural adjustment program (SAP), Kenya had practically developed local capacity to manufacture cars. Uhuru then manufactured by General Motors had attained more than 60% local content. The neighbouring countries had begun to import Uhuru from Kenya but we were more focused on exports to Europe than exploiting the regional market. The then Government which ironically introduced Nyayo car found it easier to import used cars from Japan. We had lost track of going through a learning curve and create local capacities. Similar tastes were developing in the textile industry that led to the shutdown of Rivertex. The change of policy from SAPs to liberalization gave rise to looting of public enterprises (Read Kenatco, KNTC, ICDC, Kisumu Molasses, Kenya National Assurance, AT&H etc.) Other countries notably Korea, Singapore and Australia turned to corporatization of state enterprises and they succeeded big. If there were to be any justice through TJRC, it is the repossession of these assets to enable us create a youth venture capital to help the youth set up enterprises. I am well aware that Kenya media knows who looted and the state of those assets. There is no need for us to be sorry about the past and keep on whining about the future. We must identify the opportunities that are glaring at us. It is not for nothing that God denied Middle East the land to grow food and gave them oil. We have a comparative advantage in certain areas that only after we exploit them that it becomes an opportunity. We must move from the past where opportunity meant a job opportunity to an environment where opportunity means you need to scratch your head and see a window where others have not seen one then exploit the chance. Africa and Middle East provides that window. We also must be patient and willing to take collective sacrifices for us to succeed as a nation. You visit India and see that they do not import many vehicles too. In as much as the Mahindra is slow and ugly, Indian buys it. The Tata truck may not be great but Indians buy it. We have exported raw coffee far too long as we import instant coffee from our raw materials. Building a value added industry of our resources for the African market will make Kenya the largest economy in Africa. In two years' time consumption in Africa will top $3 trillion. I have not even talked about AGOA which remains unexploited. Think. Regards Ndemo.

PS,

I bring back the debate of your for presidency! I strongly feel you have a lot to offer and wish Kenyans would vote beyond political rhetoric! What do you think should be done to promote such change in this country? Am impressed by the Korea's experience beyond words and feel thoroughly challenged. However, at times I think we do not want real change because we benefit from the chaotic system in our country.

Jane

From: kictanet-bounces+info=amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+info <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Binfo> =amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of James Mbugua Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:35 PM To: info@amwik.org Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea

PS

That is enlightening stuff. Please also check out the last mile solutions. As I have always told you, I think government should build the fiber to the home with an allocation from the national budget the same way we allocate money for roads. Private sector can't do it and where they do, they will charge an arm and a leg to "recoup investments."

They key lesson to be learnt also from those observations is productivity per capita.

Kenyans are hard workers but we have inefficient production systems.

The amount a Chinese or Korean worker produces in an hour is probably what a Kenyan worker will take a day or two to produce.

We must think of ways of improving productivity.

Manual labourers must not be allowed to hold this economy hostage with their abysmal production levels and loud, unreasonable politics.

If you haven't guessed by now which manual labourers I speak of, think Atwoli and his tea pickers who won't allow mechanization at the farms and the dock workers who won't allow efforts to make the Port of Mombasa more efficient.

Economic development theories dictate that mechanization takes place to free up manual labourers to move into other economic sectors. We must look seriously at our level of productivity if we are to develop to Korea's level.

James Mbugua

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:19 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Dr Ndemo I must say you have a way of graphically putting things in perspective. I'm sure you have read this book about Singapore which to a large extent confirms your thoughts (Which I agree with entirely). http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/144409.From_Third_World_to_First_ Ali Hussein -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:35 AM To: info@alyhussein.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea - Dr Ndemo for Presidency! Alice, It is more complicated than simply picking on the ideological choice. Usually it is how the politics of any state interacts with the economy that an ideology is born. If you recall, in communism, the state controlled the economy. That is how we referred to that as planned economies, that is the politicians decided what to do with state productive resources. Communism died 1989 and burried in Germany. Capitalism however has been more dynamic. Its originators thought that there must be a separation between the economy and politics like we do in Church and State. Thus the development of the private sector. In 1930 recession, Roosevelt slightly changed it by introducing welfare in cases where the resources do not trickle to the bottom. He feared there would a revolt in favour of Communism since it promised equality. In the 80's came Reagan and Thatcher who were basically anti-government and started to deregulate arguing that the businessmen know better. This was a powerful movement and indeed most countries abandoned regulation even on the financial markets. New financial instruments emerged. Instead of asset backed securities we got leveraged securities (means that you take your mortgage and use it as security to get more money). This came down crashing as evidenced by Lehman Brothers. Obama stepped in and changed the history of Capitalism by rescuing the failing banks. We are now in a vacum and the practices that created the problem permiated to our part of the world. We need to maintain a strong regulatory regime otherwise we get into serious problems. We are still going to experience problems since our currency is linked to the fragile Euro. What you will never be told by Europeans is that by embrasing Laissers Faire economics the economic fundermentals were wrong. The Greek people for example started to retire at 50 with good pension. One in three Greeks is a civil servant and the few in Private sector have strong Unions. Essentially they produced nothing to back up their good life and they borrowed to maintain it. As we stand today things are getting worse in Europe. Rating agencies have put France on Notice. Italy if it falls, we shall all suffer. China which has lots of Money keeps on manipulating their currency but if consumption of their goods fall especially in the US, they will suffer. Back to ideology. The Chinese have a modified version of Communism/capitalism. Some thinkers ask if such a model is good. If you go by Maslaw's hierachy of needs, this model will not last. You are going to see people demand for some rights. In Sweden they have a social democracy where the state takes care of social services like education and health care. In this model you are heavily taxed up to 50% of your income. So if Africa were to find a quick solution to fast tracking development, we need to adopt one of the Newly Industrialized economies of Asia but we must give up some rights. Singapore and Korea had benevolent dictators. If you understand McGregor's theory of X and Y. Africa falls in the X category for some time. We are attempting to both economic and political reforms at the same time. It has never happened anywhere except india and the reason why India will take longer to be like China or Korea. You now understand that both the state and private sector have failed capitalism. Whatever that emerges Capitalism will never be the same again. This why we need to chart our own way. Be it social democracy or modified capitalism. The politico-economic direction must be understood by those who vote because they provide the corrective mechanism. That is why Kaletsky stated "politicians are corrupt, banks are greedy, businessmen are incompetent and voters are stupid". We therefore need an ideology. Imagine if God dropped $100 trillion in Kenya. Shall we become developed? The answer is NO. Sometimes back while at the University we got a pay rise back dated to one year before. I was Chairman of Department then. The University was deserted. Most of my colleagues went to drink and forgot to teach. Most were suddenly generous and others became arrogant. This lasted only as long as the resource lasted. These were PhDs behaving this way. What will happen with the ordinary citizen. I still ask my self: Can we leapfrog in Development? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:42:08 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea - Dr Ndemo for Presidency! _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Dear all, Vaguely related stuff with a hint of ICT, just in case you want some distraction over a cup of (Kenyan!) coffee: I've recently developed a bit of a weird obsession with North Korea after after coming across the crazeballs Ryugyong Hotel in Pyongyang (have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel - it takes the concept of a white elephant to a whole new level). So I bought and read the fantastic 'Nothing to Envy' by Barbara Demick and also 'North of the DMZ - Essays on Daily Life in North Korea' by Andrei Lankov (both available as Kindle e-books, so a mere mouse click away). It's intriguing that in the beginning, South Korea was actually less developed than North Korea - but then caught up and overtook it at a blazing speed. When my dad started working in the aid/development industry, South Korea was still an aid recipient, now it is a donor, too. South Korea is one of the most high-tech countries in the world - and North Korea one of the most isolated. One of Lankov's essays looks at mobile access in North Korea: heavily controlled, only for senior regime members (although that may have changed now, as his book is a couple of years old). Internet access is just as radically restricted. But during the famine, the northern border to China became more porous, and even though North Korea is still very cut off, technology has slowly seeped through the border as electronic items are smuggled across. In the beginning, the global transition from video tapes to DVDs created a surplus of videos that nobody wanted anymore - apart from the North Koreans. And DVDs are easier to smuggle than video tapes. South Korean content is very popular, and also completely undermined the carefully nurtured propaganda that the Southerners are poorer than the Northerners. Near the border, North Korean can use foreign mobile networks, and also receive foreign broadcast content. Have a good evening, Andrea On 8 November 2011 17:52, william janak <williamjanak@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dr. Ndemo,

Thanks for the snap shot of Korea. Your description of what is happening in that country is most most interesting and of course a challenge to us in Kenya because we certainly can do much more to move the country from where it is.

Oloo Janak.

--- On *Tue, 11/8/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke>* wrote:

From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 9:19 AM

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Hey all, Thanks for all this informative resources. Mine if I would put it plainly, is we are thankfully on track. If evidence of what has taken place especially in the last 8-10 yrs is anything to go by, we are right on track. We perhaps may exactly not be on the same blazing or lightning speed as our distant South East Asia cousins who not only rightfully seized their opportunities at the opportune moment when those opportunities came calling, but have been consistently keen to ensure that the gains accumulated to date do not engage the reverse gear. Look at the Telecommunication sector for example. In a short span of time, look at where things stand now to begin with. Some of us remember then times when all traffic- voice + data had to find their gateway exit via a central location ostensibly located somewhere on top of the Longonot in the form of an earth station. Not sure whether it still exists. However, back then it was a requirement that all voice traffic emanating from the country that tried to approach the gateway on the IP platform be stopped in its tracks, I suppose by using the so-called "killer-switch" because voice traffic was only allowed through Telkom. The entire bandwidth for the country was about 512Mbps and we were all comfortable, so it seemed, at the time. Then occasionally, a "blackout" would ensue whenever this single information superhighway backbone went down, plunging the entire country into darkness and at the same time cutting us off from the rest of the world ,sometimes for days.. Well, it's quite a narrative there that would go on and on, but the long and short of it is simply to say that; by looking at where we stand now and by also looking at these countries making giant strides in the right direction in their economies, when you have the right political support structure in place to start with, then an awful lot of things really start to take shape. When the momentum is sustained, the country starts experiencing phenomenal growth and, as this happens, others around start taking note. Question; Will we make it our business to see to it that the momentum we have now is sustainable for the long haul, by ensuring the politics side of the equation is fixed once and for good, especially now with the new constitution in place or will we, as has been always the case before, continue to remind ourselves that politics has got nothing to do with us, we can leave it to the politicians? I suppose not. Each one of us has a role to play. Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Andrea Bohnstedt Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 7:09 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea Dear all, Vaguely related stuff with a hint of ICT, just in case you want some distraction over a cup of (Kenyan!) coffee: I've recently developed a bit of a weird obsession with North Korea after after coming across the crazeballs Ryugyong Hotel in Pyongyang (have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel - it takes the concept of a white elephant to a whole new level). So I bought and read the fantastic 'Nothing to Envy' by Barbara Demick and also 'North of the DMZ - Essays on Daily Life in North Korea' by Andrei Lankov (both available as Kindle e-books, so a mere mouse click away). It's intriguing that in the beginning, South Korea was actually less developed than North Korea - but then caught up and overtook it at a blazing speed. When my dad started working in the aid/development industry, South Korea was still an aid recipient, now it is a donor, too. South Korea is one of the most high-tech countries in the world - and North Korea one of the most isolated. One of Lankov's essays looks at mobile access in North Korea: heavily controlled, only for senior regime members (although that may have changed now, as his book is a couple of years old). Internet access is just as radically restricted. But during the famine, the northern border to China became more porous, and even though North Korea is still very cut off, technology has slowly seeped through the border as electronic items are smuggled across. In the beginning, the global transition from video tapes to DVDs created a surplus of videos that nobody wanted anymore - apart from the North Koreans. And DVDs are easier to smuggle than video tapes. South Korean content is very popular, and also completely undermined the carefully nurtured propaganda that the Southerners are poorer than the Northerners. Near the border, North Korean can use foreign mobile networks, and also receive foreign broadcast content. Have a good evening, Andrea On 8 November 2011 17:52, william janak <williamjanak@yahoo.com> wrote: Dr. Ndemo, Thanks for the snap shot of Korea. Your description of what is happening in that country is most most interesting and of course a challenge to us in Kenya because we certainly can do much more to move the country from where it is. Oloo Janak. --- On Tue, 11/8/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 9:19 AM I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010. Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period. For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil. I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization. Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero. There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation. Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. 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http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&idim=country:KEN&dl=en&hl=en&q=kenya+gdp+statistics#ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:KEN:KOR&ifdim=country&hl=en&dl=en For a graphical comparison. Apologies for the long link. On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:25 PM, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:

Will you visit one of the churches?

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/657/south-koreas-coming-election-highlights-chri...

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:19 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

...

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Last December I went on holiday in Thailand. Thailand is considered a laggard compared to Malaysia and Singapore and Korea but my friends it is still miles ahead of Kenya. Flyovers, 8 lane highways, 4 lane roads in the CBD. I was impressed. What struck me the most was not the technology and infrastructure, but the work ethic. I had a meal at a McDonalds and at the door was a man whose job was to open the door to customers as they came in, smile at them and close it behind them. That is all. Open, smile and close. I watched him for a while as he did this. He did his work very proudly and with dedication. He seemed to understand that this small role was a cog that together with other cogs leads to the success of the fast food shop. You will be hard pressed to find such a work ethic here. Go to any office (not just Government!) and you will be treated by staff as if you are bothering them. The doorman role is just as important as the CEO for the collective success. We can't all be CEOs. But whatever role we have if we do it well will lead to the success of the whole. This my friends is what we lack, and why Vision 2030 will remain a pipe dream until as a society we change. We have a very poor work ethic. On Tuesday, November 8, 2011, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:

Painful man... Painful!

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&idim=country:KEN&dl=en&hl=en&q=kenya+gdp+statistics#ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:KEN:KOR&ifdim=country&hl=en&dl=en

For a graphical comparison. Apologies for the long link.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:25 PM, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com>

wrote:

Will you visit one of the churches?

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/657/south-koreas-coming-election-highlights-chri...

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:19 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school h

Edith, Dr.Ndemo has put it very well. I also just came back from South Korea two weeks ago having spent one week's training organised by Korea Internet Security Agency. It was simply amazing to see how far they have gone. But I must confess that I was proud to share with them what we in Kenya are doing and they too were amazed and are keen on coming to see for themselves. Out of all the other 10 representatives in the group from Africa, I was the only one who could use roaming facilities via Safaricom. Kudos to Safaricom! Those of you who know a bit about South Korea know that they use WCDMA technology. So all delegates from Africa could not call their countries apart from me!We have great potential here. We just need to act.I see no reason why with such visionary people like Dr.Ndemo we cannot catch up. However, it is all about Government's priorities at the end of the day. Gilda Quoting Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke>:

Bwana Ndemo,

Wow! what a transformation! how long has this journey taken? what were the key success factors?.

For sure, what we need in Kenya is this "feeling of shame"....that would be halfway to eradicating corruption!

Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 08 November 2011 17:19 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Edith, Today we spent some time in Daejeon, the Silicon Valley of Korea. The city is about 200 Km north of Seoul or a two and half hour drive. By rail it took us 45 minutes to cover the distance in their 350 Kph super train. It was faster than driving from South B to City Centre at peak hour in Nairobi. Korea is a country of hills but the highways and rail tunnels run straight since they blast through these hills making driving pleasurable. Even at the breath taking speed, we had a glimpse of their farm lands and rural life. The rice fields are dry and clear scattered with hay. Here nothing goes to waste as this is what improves on their productivity. Kim who sat next to me tells me much of hay will be animal fodder, particularly for grazing livestock such as cattle and some will be used to make bloakboards thus increasing retuns to farmers. For a few minutes I reflected on the waste from our wheat and corn fields that would easily feed the dying livestock in Northern Kenya or safe our trees by making bloakbords. At intervals of about 50 Km there is a city with high rises. The average size of an appartment is 90 sq m and with two to three bedrooms. They don't need more than that Kim said. The average family size here is 3. Fertility rate is 1.1 per woman going by 2010 statistics. Fertility rate in Kenya from the same statistics stands at 5 children per woman with Central and Nyanza averaging 3 and 6 respectively (the variance between Central and Nyanza is largely due to education of women and not Kumi Kumi as Hon. Shitanda may think). I ask Kim what percentage of their population is urban. he quickly pulls his Galaxy handset and googles my question. This is common here. Nobody seems to know anything. Google has the answer. Eighty one percent he says. We arrive in Daejeon and what strikes you is the amount of rail infrastructure. The high speed, the slow speed (cheaper with maximum speed of 180 kmh on standard gauge. Note that whenever our train moves at more than 60 kph, it rolls as we are on narrow gauge) and the goods train. There are 60 research centers but our trip takes us to their National Data Center. It is a seven floor building measuring 40,000 sq m. It consumes 240 MW of power and has 1,000 employees on a three shift rotation. They keep their sensitive data here with a back up facility in another city 70 Kms further north. They are planning on a third facility that would mainly focus on business continuity. The head of the facility receives us. He does not speak a single word of English but a woman seated next to him translates about 70% of what is said. More important he tells us the benefits of automation including the efficiencies that government has created to its citizens and the reduction of corruption in Korea. He admits that Korea at one time was as corrupt as any of those countries struggling in the TI list. I am foever optimistic that automation will see Kenya eradicate corruption. Preliminary results are encouraging. Pre-digitization at Lands Ministry has seen revenue jump from Ksh. 3 billion to Ksh. 7 billion. Once we finish it is estimated that GoK will collect as much as Ksh. 30 billion. A similar amount will be recovered if we automated our procurement. The Company registry's revenue are up three times. Judiciary we have not finished yet butthere are positive signs. We left Daejeon at 2 pm for a 3.30 pm meeting with the Minister in Public Service. There are certainly areas that Korea needs to improve. In all the meeting I attended, there was not a single senior woman. In this all expense paid visit to Korea, I made one serious arror but a good lesson. I invited four of the senior people to a dinner sponsored by Kenya (a diplomatic lingua franca). My bill came to Kuan. 1.2 million or $1,000. Seoul is EXPENSIVE. Regards. Ndemo.

Bwana Ndemo,

Wow! what a transformation! how long has this journey taken? what were the key success factors?.

For sure, what we need in Kenya is this "feeling of shame"....that would be halfway to eradicating corruption!

Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 08 November 2011 17:19 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Interesting. And YES,it is VERY expensive! Quoting bitange@jambo.co.ke:

Edith, Today we spent some time in Daejeon, the Silicon Valley of Korea. The city is about 200 Km north of Seoul or a two and half hour drive. By rail it took us 45 minutes to cover the distance in their 350 Kph super train. It was faster than driving from South B to City Centre at peak hour in Nairobi. Korea is a country of hills but the highways and rail tunnels run straight since they blast through these hills making driving pleasurable.

Even at the breath taking speed, we had a glimpse of their farm lands and rural life. The rice fields are dry and clear scattered with hay. Here nothing goes to waste as this is what improves on their productivity. Kim who sat next to me tells me much of hay will be animal fodder, particularly for grazing livestock such as cattle and some will be used to make bloakboards thus increasing retuns to farmers. For a few minutes I reflected on the waste from our wheat and corn fields that would easily feed the dying livestock in Northern Kenya or safe our trees by making bloakbords.

At intervals of about 50 Km there is a city with high rises. The average size of an appartment is 90 sq m and with two to three bedrooms. They don't need more than that Kim said. The average family size here is 3. Fertility rate is 1.1 per woman going by 2010 statistics. Fertility rate in Kenya from the same statistics stands at 5 children per woman with Central and Nyanza averaging 3 and 6 respectively (the variance between Central and Nyanza is largely due to education of women and not Kumi Kumi as Hon. Shitanda may think).

I ask Kim what percentage of their population is urban. he quickly pulls his Galaxy handset and googles my question. This is common here. Nobody seems to know anything. Google has the answer. Eighty one percent he says. We arrive in Daejeon and what strikes you is the amount of rail infrastructure. The high speed, the slow speed (cheaper with maximum speed of 180 kmh on standard gauge. Note that whenever our train moves at more than 60 kph, it rolls as we are on narrow gauge) and the goods train.

There are 60 research centers but our trip takes us to their National Data Center. It is a seven floor building measuring 40,000 sq m. It consumes 240 MW of power and has 1,000 employees on a three shift rotation. They keep their sensitive data here with a back up facility in another city 70 Kms further north. They are planning on a third facility that would mainly focus on business continuity. The head of the facility receives us. He does not speak a single word of English but a woman seated next to him translates about 70% of what is said. More important he tells us the benefits of automation including the efficiencies that government has created to its citizens and the reduction of corruption in Korea. He admits that Korea at one time was as corrupt as any of those countries struggling in the TI list.

I am foever optimistic that automation will see Kenya eradicate corruption. Preliminary results are encouraging. Pre-digitization at Lands Ministry has seen revenue jump from Ksh. 3 billion to Ksh. 7 billion. Once we finish it is estimated that GoK will collect as much as Ksh. 30 billion. A similar amount will be recovered if we automated our procurement. The Company registry's revenue are up three times. Judiciary we have not finished yet butthere are positive signs.

We left Daejeon at 2 pm for a 3.30 pm meeting with the Minister in Public Service. There are certainly areas that Korea needs to improve. In all the meeting I attended, there was not a single senior woman.

In this all expense paid visit to Korea, I made one serious arror but a good lesson. I invited four of the senior people to a dinner sponsored by Kenya (a diplomatic lingua franca). My bill came to Kuan. 1.2 million or $1,000. Seoul is EXPENSIVE.

Regards.

Ndemo.

...

Bwana Ndemo,

Wow! what a transformation! how long has this journey taken? what were the key success factors?.

For sure, what we need in Kenya is this "feeling of shame"....that would be halfway to eradicating corruption!

Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 08 November 2011 17:19 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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This is typical Social Engineering attack<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_%28security%29>which are the largest in Kenya with M-PESA. While Safaricom says that the money usually has been either withdrawn or send to another account, isn't there a trail that can be followed , or maybe have something like having the line blocked from withdrawing cash, such that the lines can receive cash but cannot withdraw so that the crooks can be apprehended. The fact that few people are arrested for such encourages more people to run the scheme.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:31, J.R. Kirongothi <kirongothi@kasneb.or.ke>wrote:

The thugs are never asleep devising ways and means of robbing us. I received the following from a friend:

Not sure you've heard of this incident? - Better be safe than sorry!

This incident happened to a colleague recently. A bad experience indeed. He received a call from someone claiming to be calling from Safaricom. The caller was very composed. The caller told him "thank you for being our loyal and valuable MPESA customer. You recall we had initially given you a black SIM card but changed to green". He answered in the affirmative. The caller then went ahead to tell him that Safaricom was running a reward promotion scheme for their loyal MPESA customers and went ahead to ask him to confirm his National ID number and year of birth. Unsuspecting, he disclosed that information. Coincidentally his birth year was also his Mpesa Pin no. The guy posed for a while and asked him whether 19- - (say 1967) was his year of birth .He again answered in the affirmative. The caller then told him he would be sent Nokia 8230, but before then he needed to dial *33*0000#, which he did. He was then told not to call or transact anything using his line for the next ten minutes as they perform transactions, purportedly at Safaricom, facilitating the process of receiving the Nokia 8230 set. He complied. He is asked about his current location, which information he gives. After 10 minutes he tried to call back the number to confirm status of the alleged gift only for the following message to appear "Barring all outgoing calls activated for SMS services activated for all data circuit async". After 15 minutes the wife calls him on his alternate line claiming that someone had called her using his (husband's) safaricom line telling her to send them Ksh.10,000 for his release from arrest. She is baffled and hence decides to use alternate line, only to discover he is safe and sound.

A case of sheer coincidence and utmost gullibility, typical of Kenyans. As Dennis says, this is simple social engineering attack. Their other *modus operandi* is they send you a fake M-PESA message and call you shortly after, telling you that they sent the money to you by mistake and proceed to request you to just (and kindly) agree to send the money back to them (instead of calling M-PESA help line to do the reversing). I remember one such guy even prodded me to deduct *kitu kidogo*for my soda and send him the rest. However, I do agree with you that there could be connivance from inside Safaricom. When they "visited" me with their trick, I received two fake M-PESA texts on the same day. I happened to have over 30,000 on M-PESA at that point in time. So, yes, there must be moles planted by them inside Safaricom. Afterall, aren't the Customer Care people not just those Call Centre staff??? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.

Bwana Ndemo, It would be nice upon your return from Korea to share in few bullets what lessons you've learnt and what you would implement in Kenya if you became President? I understand that Senegal witnessed rapid development when their President would come back home with innovative ideas from abroad which he would wanted implemented immediately without winding processes of feasibility studies, planning, research etc....some of their super-highways benefitted from this approach. Edith -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:10 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: RE: [kictanet] Korea Edith, Today we spent some time in Daejeon, the Silicon Valley of Korea. The city is about 200 Km north of Seoul or a two and half hour drive. By rail it took us 45 minutes to cover the distance in their 350 Kph super train. It was faster than driving from South B to City Centre at peak hour in Nairobi. Korea is a country of hills but the highways and rail tunnels run straight since they blast through these hills making driving pleasurable. Even at the breath taking speed, we had a glimpse of their farm lands and rural life. The rice fields are dry and clear scattered with hay. Here nothing goes to waste as this is what improves on their productivity. Kim who sat next to me tells me much of hay will be animal fodder, particularly for grazing livestock such as cattle and some will be used to make bloakboards thus increasing retuns to farmers. For a few minutes I reflected on the waste from our wheat and corn fields that would easily feed the dying livestock in Northern Kenya or safe our trees by making bloakbords. At intervals of about 50 Km there is a city with high rises. The average size of an appartment is 90 sq m and with two to three bedrooms. They don't need more than that Kim said. The average family size here is 3. Fertility rate is 1.1 per woman going by 2010 statistics. Fertility rate in Kenya from the same statistics stands at 5 children per woman with Central and Nyanza averaging 3 and 6 respectively (the variance between Central and Nyanza is largely due to education of women and not Kumi Kumi as Hon. Shitanda may think). I ask Kim what percentage of their population is urban. he quickly pulls his Galaxy handset and googles my question. This is common here. Nobody seems to know anything. Google has the answer. Eighty one percent he says. We arrive in Daejeon and what strikes you is the amount of rail infrastructure. The high speed, the slow speed (cheaper with maximum speed of 180 kmh on standard gauge. Note that whenever our train moves at more than 60 kph, it rolls as we are on narrow gauge) and the goods train. There are 60 research centers but our trip takes us to their National Data Center. It is a seven floor building measuring 40,000 sq m. It consumes 240 MW of power and has 1,000 employees on a three shift rotation. They keep their sensitive data here with a back up facility in another city 70 Kms further north. They are planning on a third facility that would mainly focus on business continuity. The head of the facility receives us. He does not speak a single word of English but a woman seated next to him translates about 70% of what is said. More important he tells us the benefits of automation including the efficiencies that government has created to its citizens and the reduction of corruption in Korea. He admits that Korea at one time was as corrupt as any of those countries struggling in the TI list. I am foever optimistic that automation will see Kenya eradicate corruption. Preliminary results are encouraging. Pre-digitization at Lands Ministry has seen revenue jump from Ksh. 3 billion to Ksh. 7 billion. Once we finish it is estimated that GoK will collect as much as Ksh. 30 billion. A similar amount will be recovered if we automated our procurement. The Company registry's revenue are up three times. Judiciary we have not finished yet butthere are positive signs. We left Daejeon at 2 pm for a 3.30 pm meeting with the Minister in Public Service. There are certainly areas that Korea needs to improve. In all the meeting I attended, there was not a single senior woman. In this all expense paid visit to Korea, I made one serious arror but a good lesson. I invited four of the senior people to a dinner sponsored by Kenya (a diplomatic lingua franca). My bill came to Kuan. 1.2 million or $1,000. Seoul is EXPENSIVE. Regards. Ndemo.

Bwana Ndemo,

Wow! what a transformation! how long has this journey taken? what were the key success factors?.

For sure, what we need in Kenya is this "feeling of shame"....that would be halfway to eradicating corruption!

Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 08 November 2011 17:19 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Dakitari, Let us not compare ourselves with African countries. When Mutai runs a marathon, he does not compare himself with other African countries. Let us run our race and help other African countries see the dream. Icheon Airport that is 70 kms out of Seoul was a strategic investment to create a regional hub and steal business out of Japan and China. It has worked. Can we develop a Grand Airport in Konza for the same reasons? We are packing transit passengers at JKIA like sadines since it was never meant to be a transit. Can we put private funds into a mordern transit airport? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:47:03 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea Hi Edith, I am also looking forward to the ideas from the P.S. about Korea which is without doubt ahead of us. However when you compare to the rest of the African countries Kenya is very far ahead. I was in Senegal the other day and I never saw superhighways there. Wade spent millions building a huge useless statue to set a world record as the largest statue. The Senghor airport is dilapidated and opens out onto what looks like a matatu stage. It makes JKIA, even without the on-going expansion, look like real first-world stuff. There are very few airports in Afrcia with escalators (Addis Bole, JKIA and those in SA). Have you seen the airport in Gaborone which is like the airstrip in Kakamega? the other day I dropped some wazungu's at the new Kisumu airport and they were impressed. In Africa, Kenya tuko mbele. take heart from that and let us learn only from those who are truly ahead like Korea. Waudo On Monday, November 14, 2011 11:25 AM, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:

Bwana Ndemo,

It would be nice upon your return from Korea to share in few bullets what lessons you've learnt and what you would implement in Kenya if you became President?

I understand that Senegal witnessed rapid development when their President would come back home with innovative ideas from abroad which he would wanted implemented immediately without winding processes of feasibility studies, planning, research etc....some of their super-highways benefitted from this approach.

Edith

-----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:10 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: RE: [kictanet] Korea

Edith, Today we spent some time in Daejeon, the Silicon Valley of Korea. The city is about 200 Km north of Seoul or a two and half hour drive. By rail it took us 45 minutes to cover the distance in their 350 Kph super train. It was faster than driving from South B to City Centre at peak hour in Nairobi. Korea is a country of hills but the highways and rail tunnels run straight since they blast through these hills making driving pleasurable.

Even at the breath taking speed, we had a glimpse of their farm lands and rural life. The rice fields are dry and clear scattered with hay. Here nothing goes to waste as this is what improves on their productivity. Kim who sat next to me tells me much of hay will be animal fodder, particularly for grazing livestock such as cattle and some will be used to make bloakboards thus increasing retuns to farmers. For a few minutes I reflected on the waste from our wheat and corn fields that would easily feed the dying livestock in Northern Kenya or safe our trees by making bloakbords.

At intervals of about 50 Km there is a city with high rises. The average size of an appartment is 90 sq m and with two to three bedrooms. They don't need more than that Kim said. The average family size here is 3. Fertility rate is 1.1 per woman going by 2010 statistics. Fertility rate in Kenya from the same statistics stands at 5 children per woman with Central and Nyanza averaging 3 and 6 respectively (the variance between Central and Nyanza is largely due to education of women and not Kumi Kumi as Hon. Shitanda may think).

I ask Kim what percentage of their population is urban. he quickly pulls his Galaxy handset and googles my question. This is common here. Nobody seems to know anything. Google has the answer. Eighty one percent he says. We arrive in Daejeon and what strikes you is the amount of rail infrastructure. The high speed, the slow speed (cheaper with maximum speed of 180 kmh on standard gauge. Note that whenever our train moves at more than 60 kph, it rolls as we are on narrow gauge) and the goods train.

There are 60 research centers but our trip takes us to their National Data Center. It is a seven floor building measuring 40,000 sq m. It consumes 240 MW of power and has 1,000 employees on a three shift rotation. They keep their sensitive data here with a back up facility in another city 70 Kms further north. They are planning on a third facility that would mainly focus on business continuity. The head of the facility receives us. He does not speak a single word of English but a woman seated next to him translates about 70% of what is said. More important he tells us the benefits of automation including the efficiencies that government has created to its citizens and the reduction of corruption in Korea. He admits that Korea at one time was as corrupt as any of those countries struggling in the TI list.

I am foever optimistic that automation will see Kenya eradicate corruption. Preliminary results are encouraging. Pre-digitization at Lands Ministry has seen revenue jump from Ksh. 3 billion to Ksh. 7 billion. Once we finish it is estimated that GoK will collect as much as Ksh. 30 billion. A similar amount will be recovered if we automated our procurement. The Company registry's revenue are up three times. Judiciary we have not finished yet butthere are positive signs.

We left Daejeon at 2 pm for a 3.30 pm meeting with the Minister in Public Service. There are certainly areas that Korea needs to improve. In all the meeting I attended, there was not a single senior woman.

In this all expense paid visit to Korea, I made one serious arror but a good lesson. I invited four of the senior people to a dinner sponsored by Kenya (a diplomatic lingua franca). My bill came to Kuan. 1.2 million or $1,000. Seoul is EXPENSIVE.

Regards.

Ndemo.

...

Bwana Ndemo,

Wow! what a transformation! how long has this journey taken? what were the key success factors?.

For sure, what we need in Kenya is this "feeling of shame"....that would be halfway to eradicating corruption!

Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 08 November 2011 17:19 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Sorry was travelling. Actually my point was that we should NOT compare ourselves with African countries. Maybe my English is poor. Waudo On Monday, November 14, 2011 3:32 PM, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:

Good points...that was going to be my response to Waudo. We should set the pace and compare with luggards.

Edith

-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 3:25 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea

Dakitari, Let us not compare ourselves with African countries. When Mutai runs a marathon, he does not compare himself with other African countries. Let us run our race and help other African countries see the dream.

Icheon Airport that is 70 kms out of Seoul was a strategic investment to create a regional hub and steal business out of Japan and China. It has worked. Can we develop a Grand Airport in Konza for the same reasons? We are packing transit passengers at JKIA like sadines since it was never meant to be a transit. Can we put private funds into a mordern transit airport?

Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Hi Edith, I am also looking forward to the ideas from the P.S. about Korea which is without doubt ahead of us. However when you compare to the rest of the African countries Kenya is very far ahead. I was in Senegal the other day and I never saw superhighways there. Wade spent millions building a huge useless statue to set a world record as the largest statue. The Senghor airport is dilapidated and opens out onto what looks like a matatu stage. It makes JKIA, even without the on-going expansion, look like real first-world stuff. There are very few airports in Afrcia with escalators (Addis Bole, JKIA and those in SA). Have you seen the airport in Gaborone which is like the airstrip in Kakamega? the other day I dropped some wazungu's at the new Kisumu airport and they were impressed. In Africa, Kenya tuko mbele. take heart from that and let us learn only from those who are truly ahead like Korea.

Waudo On Monday, November 14, 2011 11:25 AM, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:

...

Bwana Ndemo,

It would be nice upon your return from Korea to share in few bullets what lessons you've learnt and what you would implement in Kenya if you became President?

I understand that Senegal witnessed rapid development when their President would come back home with innovative ideas from abroad which he would wanted implemented immediately without winding processes of feasibility studies, planning, research etc....some of their super-highways benefitted from this approach.

Edith

-----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:10 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: RE: [kictanet] Korea

Edith, Today we spent some time in Daejeon, the Silicon Valley of Korea. The city is about 200 Km north of Seoul or a two and half hour drive. By rail it took us 45 minutes to cover the distance in their 350 Kph super train. It was faster than driving from South B to City Centre at peak hour in Nairobi. Korea is a country of hills but the highways and rail tunnels run straight since they blast through these hills making driving pleasurable.

Even at the breath taking speed, we had a glimpse of their farm lands and rural life. The rice fields are dry and clear scattered with hay. Here nothing goes to waste as this is what improves on their productivity. Kim who sat next to me tells me much of hay will be animal fodder, particularly for grazing livestock such as cattle and some will be used to make bloakboards thus increasing retuns to farmers. For a few minutes I reflected on the waste from our wheat and corn fields that would easily feed the dying livestock in Northern Kenya or safe our trees by making bloakbords.

At intervals of about 50 Km there is a city with high rises. The average size of an appartment is 90 sq m and with two to three bedrooms. They don't need more than that Kim said. The average family size here is 3. Fertility rate is 1.1 per woman going by 2010 statistics. Fertility rate in Kenya from the same statistics stands at 5 children per woman with Central and Nyanza averaging 3 and 6 respectively (the variance between Central and Nyanza is largely due to education of women and not Kumi Kumi as Hon. Shitanda may think).

I ask Kim what percentage of their population is urban. he quickly pulls his Galaxy handset and googles my question. This is common here. Nobody seems to know anything. Google has the answer. Eighty one percent he says. We arrive in Daejeon and what strikes you is the amount of rail infrastructure. The high speed, the slow speed (cheaper with maximum speed of 180 kmh on standard gauge. Note that whenever our train moves at more than 60 kph, it rolls as we are on narrow gauge) and the goods train.

There are 60 research centers but our trip takes us to their National Data Center. It is a seven floor building measuring 40,000 sq m. It consumes 240 MW of power and has 1,000 employees on a three shift rotation. They keep their sensitive data here with a back up facility in another city 70 Kms further north. They are planning on a third facility that would mainly focus on business continuity. The head of the facility receives us. He does not speak a single word of English but a woman seated next to him translates about 70% of what is said. More important he tells us the benefits of automation including the efficiencies that government has created to its citizens and the reduction of corruption in Korea. He admits that Korea at one time was as corrupt as any of those countries struggling in the TI list.

I am foever optimistic that automation will see Kenya eradicate corruption. Preliminary results are encouraging. Pre-digitization at Lands Ministry has seen revenue jump from Ksh. 3 billion to Ksh. 7 billion. Once we finish it is estimated that GoK will collect as much as Ksh. 30 billion. A similar amount will be recovered if we automated our procurement. The Company registry's revenue are up three times. Judiciary we have not finished yet butthere are positive signs.

We left Daejeon at 2 pm for a 3.30 pm meeting with the Minister in Public Service. There are certainly areas that Korea needs to improve. In all the meeting I attended, there was not a single senior woman.

In this all expense paid visit to Korea, I made one serious arror but a good lesson. I invited four of the senior people to a dinner sponsored by Kenya (a diplomatic lingua franca). My bill came to Kuan. 1.2 million or $1,000. Seoul is EXPENSIVE.

Regards.

Ndemo.

...

Bwana Ndemo,

Wow! what a transformation! how long has this journey taken? what were the key success factors?.

For sure, what we need in Kenya is this "feeling of shame"....that would be halfway to eradicating corruption!

Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 08 November 2011 17:19 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference. ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Edith,

From another perspective, we urgently need to craft a workable framework under the new dispensation, especially now with

the anticipated devolution. It will for instance, be of paramount importance that the central and devolved governments ( read the county authorities) who will be responsible for deciding the development agenda at their level co-ordinate and work together towards achievable goals and objectives, develop sustainable programs devoid of regionalism politics and shun working at cross-purposes. Certainly, development revolves around funding to a larger extend and it therefore follows that with a good percentage of the budget expected to flow out of the central kitty coffers to regional govts, options may soon now be limited for the C.G. I'm not certain whether the debate on just how this budgetary allocation should exactly work has so far been resolved. This in my opinion is one of the "grey" areas under this new dispensation that we need to wisely navigate. The PS touched on this subject a while back but I'm not sure, if there is a crystal clear understanding yet on what we should really expect. Again, the whole aspect of it remains in the hands of politicians. Who will hold county governments accountable, especially those that will not develop their regions, as others grow in leaps and bounds. I believe you can now see, from this perspective that governing from the centre might just all of a sudden gotten a little tougher. However, since we have all learnt our lessons, we should be vigilant to ensure that strong systems are built, and maladies existing before at the national centralized stage are not re-exported into the new dispensation. Certainly not into the new devolved system. Because it will be nothing new other than "business as usual" Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:25 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea Bwana Ndemo, It would be nice upon your return from Korea to share in few bullets what lessons you've learnt and what you would implement in Kenya if you became President? I understand that Senegal witnessed rapid development when their President would come back home with innovative ideas from abroad which he would wanted implemented immediately without winding processes of feasibility studies, planning, research etc....some of their super-highways benefitted from this approach. Edith -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:10 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: RE: [kictanet] Korea Edith, Today we spent some time in Daejeon, the Silicon Valley of Korea. The city is about 200 Km north of Seoul or a two and half hour drive. By rail it took us 45 minutes to cover the distance in their 350 Kph super train. It was faster than driving from South B to City Centre at peak hour in Nairobi. Korea is a country of hills but the highways and rail tunnels run straight since they blast through these hills making driving pleasurable. Even at the breath taking speed, we had a glimpse of their farm lands and rural life. The rice fields are dry and clear scattered with hay. Here nothing goes to waste as this is what improves on their productivity. Kim who sat next to me tells me much of hay will be animal fodder, particularly for grazing livestock such as cattle and some will be used to make bloakboards thus increasing retuns to farmers. For a few minutes I reflected on the waste from our wheat and corn fields that would easily feed the dying livestock in Northern Kenya or safe our trees by making bloakbords. At intervals of about 50 Km there is a city with high rises. The average size of an appartment is 90 sq m and with two to three bedrooms. They don't need more than that Kim said. The average family size here is 3. Fertility rate is 1.1 per woman going by 2010 statistics. Fertility rate in Kenya from the same statistics stands at 5 children per woman with Central and Nyanza averaging 3 and 6 respectively (the variance between Central and Nyanza is largely due to education of women and not Kumi Kumi as Hon. Shitanda may think). I ask Kim what percentage of their population is urban. he quickly pulls his Galaxy handset and googles my question. This is common here. Nobody seems to know anything. Google has the answer. Eighty one percent he says. We arrive in Daejeon and what strikes you is the amount of rail infrastructure. The high speed, the slow speed (cheaper with maximum speed of 180 kmh on standard gauge. Note that whenever our train moves at more than 60 kph, it rolls as we are on narrow gauge) and the goods train. There are 60 research centers but our trip takes us to their National Data Center. It is a seven floor building measuring 40,000 sq m. It consumes 240 MW of power and has 1,000 employees on a three shift rotation. They keep their sensitive data here with a back up facility in another city 70 Kms further north. They are planning on a third facility that would mainly focus on business continuity. The head of the facility receives us. He does not speak a single word of English but a woman seated next to him translates about 70% of what is said. More important he tells us the benefits of automation including the efficiencies that government has created to its citizens and the reduction of corruption in Korea. He admits that Korea at one time was as corrupt as any of those countries struggling in the TI list. I am foever optimistic that automation will see Kenya eradicate corruption. Preliminary results are encouraging. Pre-digitization at Lands Ministry has seen revenue jump from Ksh. 3 billion to Ksh. 7 billion. Once we finish it is estimated that GoK will collect as much as Ksh. 30 billion. A similar amount will be recovered if we automated our procurement. The Company registry's revenue are up three times. Judiciary we have not finished yet butthere are positive signs. We left Daejeon at 2 pm for a 3.30 pm meeting with the Minister in Public Service. There are certainly areas that Korea needs to improve. In all the meeting I attended, there was not a single senior woman. In this all expense paid visit to Korea, I made one serious arror but a good lesson. I invited four of the senior people to a dinner sponsored by Kenya (a diplomatic lingua franca). My bill came to Kuan. 1.2 million or $1,000. Seoul is EXPENSIVE. Regards. Ndemo.

Bwana Ndemo,

Wow! what a transformation! how long has this journey taken? what were

the key success factors?.

For sure, what we need in Kenya is this "feeling of shame"....that

would be halfway to eradicating corruption!

Edith

________________

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Senior Program Specialist

Climate Change & Water Program

International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour

le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and

Southern Africa

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To: Edith Adera

Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea

I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference.

ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you

see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New

Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city

of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the

largest and busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth

busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest

airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.

Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province

of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion

(Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a

donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more

than 60% of its population below poverty. They have turned tables to

be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.

For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade

partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian

Markets. Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands

at %190, $98 and

$90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the

reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our

economic growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.

I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we

do not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we

have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with

the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those required

by various standrds organization.

Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it

easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the

revenues. You can get data from government at every hour. You can

for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout the

country. There is CCTV practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.

There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail

and bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your

own, you are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the

polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the

energy efficient public tranportation.

Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus

instilling the discipline required in this competitive world. Because

of such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly

running behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers

there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide because he gave

questionable loans to friends. He killed himself for shaming his

family and that he may not have any friends.

My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this

forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical

standards as well as feeling of shame.

Regards

Ndemo.

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