Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 1)
Dear Listers - Ladies and gentlemen, Good morning, and herein lies an opportunity to take part in shaping what should be a very important vision for this nation. I personally trust that opinion and important suggestions here are of huge value, and that it is not late for the Vision 2030 Team to incorporate some in their blue print, and also that this blue print has inbuilt flexibility to make adjustments as much as it is desirable as we move forward to implement. Dear Mr. Mugo Kibati, Welcome on board, and as a vision for this country, we congratulate the team for being bold. I believe the forum here will focus heavily on the ICT Sub-sector. But, just as the Vision 2030 correctly correlates interdependence between different projects on the map, we will not hesitate to point out that ICT needs the rest as enablers, just as the rest needs it. My first question is, what are the clear bench marks to achieve the stated vision for the country, looking at the project pillars listed? How do we measure and audit achievements to date to ascertain whether this ship is on course..? We have been on the website checking out the Key pillars and the enablers; I note that, under the Macro Enablers section, the project in which we have had keen interest falls under the heading " <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/projects/details/Macro_enablers/2> Energy Generation of 2300MW and distributed at competitive prices" While the endeavor towards generation of enough power, for adequate, quality, reliable and affordable energy is laudable and ongoing, we urgently need to address the question of "distribution" of the same to go lock-in-step with these valiant efforts. I believe Energy distribution should be listed as a "Macro-Enabler", then this way we can now address the question of the monopolized aspect of it that currently is almost crippling and reducing the project to naught, at the expense of progress in other project areas. No doubt ICT sub-sector will be a huge victim. Left unchecked, a monopolized energy distribution network on which everything else hinges as we go forward, could as well be equated to a "national security disaster-in-awaiting". Can the team review the objectives in this area to focus heavily on this aspect also, and propose, pursue and lobby unrelentingly towards a de-monopolized energy distribution design. Let this nation have the benefit of redundancy in this area. Short of this, we are left at the mercy of the current national distributor. At the very best, it might remain a cog in the wheel of this Vision2030. I would wish to draw the team Vision2030 to the tremendous success that we've all witnessed in the Telecommunication subsector, since liberalization was introduced from around 2002/3 and competitiveness brought about the huge dividends that we now reap. We herald this as one of the greatest turning points in this industry. Let's go that route in the energy subsector. Harry
Listers, This is an opportunity to highlight on what the Vision 2030 has so far achieved... in the Medium Term Plan (2008-2012) and how much is remaining to be achieved. Regards, Solomon On 13/12/2011, Harry Delano <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Listers - Ladies and gentlemen,
Good morning, and herein lies an opportunity to take part in shaping what should be a very important vision for
this nation. I personally trust that opinion and important suggestions here are of huge value, and that it is not late
for the Vision 2030 Team to incorporate some in their blue print, and also that this blue print has inbuilt flexibility
to make adjustments as much as it is desirable as we move forward to implement.
Dear Mr. Mugo Kibati,
Welcome on board, and as a vision for this country, we congratulate the team for being bold. I believe the forum here
will focus heavily on the ICT Sub-sector. But, just as the Vision 2030 correctly correlates interdependence between different
projects on the map, we will not hesitate to point out that ICT needs the rest as enablers, just as the rest needs it.
My first question is, what are the clear bench marks to achieve the stated vision for the country, looking at the project
pillars listed? How do we measure and audit achievements to date to ascertain whether this ship is on course..?
We have been on the website checking out the Key pillars and the enablers;
I note that, under the Macro Enablers section, the project in which we have had keen interest falls under the heading
" <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/projects/details/Macro_enablers/2> Energy Generation of 2300MW and distributed at competitive prices"
While the endeavor towards generation of enough power, for adequate, quality, reliable and affordable energy is
laudable and ongoing, we urgently need to address the question of "distribution" of the same to go lock-in-step
with these valiant efforts.
I believe Energy distribution should be listed as a "Macro-Enabler", then this way we can now address the question
of the monopolized aspect of it that currently is almost crippling and reducing the project to naught, at the expense
of progress in other project areas. No doubt ICT sub-sector will be a huge victim.
Left unchecked, a monopolized energy distribution network on which everything else hinges as we go forward, could
as well be equated to a "national security disaster-in-awaiting". Can the team review the objectives in this area to focus
heavily on this aspect also, and propose, pursue and lobby unrelentingly towards a de-monopolized energy distribution
design. Let this nation have the benefit of redundancy in this area. Short of this, we are left at the mercy of the current
national distributor. At the very best, it might remain a cog in the wheel of this Vision2030.
I would wish to draw the team Vision2030 to the tremendous success that we've all witnessed in the Telecommunication
subsector, since liberalization was introduced from around 2002/3 and competitiveness brought about the huge
dividends that we now reap. We herald this as one of the greatest turning points in this industry. Let's go that route in
the energy subsector.
Harry
Many thanks Grace, I agree with Harry and other listers on the grounds we have covered through the ICT sector, my question to Mugo is what is his Secretariat doing about inculcating national values which to me are the real base for the success of vision 2030? and which are this national values, i will cite a non-ICT example in which we tried out the national dress and it flopped whereas teams like Gor Mahia and FC leopards are able to implement such projects using their uniforms with ease, where did we go wrong from a national perspective? I ask this because our Ps, Bitange Ndemo has moaned over our peculiar habits which stem from a poor value system for a while on this list and i am sure this is a great impediment to the success of vision 2030, thank you for putting up the wonderfull billboards bwana Kibati but i am sorry to say that the common man may not be connecting with the message being spelt out currently, look at the way Infrastructure crumbled under the recent heavy rains, gaping holes on all our main roads yet we are reknown for feasibility studies and due diligence before awarding contractors jobs, i could continue ranting but i would like to start with the basics. Thank you On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <[email protected]> wrote:
Listers,
This is an opportunity to highlight on what the Vision 2030 has so far achieved... in the Medium Term Plan (2008-2012) and how much is remaining to be achieved.
Regards,
Solomon
On 13/12/2011, Harry Delano <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Listers - Ladies and gentlemen,
Good morning, and herein lies an opportunity to take part in shaping what should be a very important vision for
this nation. I personally trust that opinion and important suggestions here are of huge value, and that it is not late
for the Vision 2030 Team to incorporate some in their blue print, and also that this blue print has inbuilt flexibility
to make adjustments as much as it is desirable as we move forward to implement.
Dear Mr. Mugo Kibati,
Welcome on board, and as a vision for this country, we congratulate the team for being bold. I believe the forum here
will focus heavily on the ICT Sub-sector. But, just as the Vision 2030 correctly correlates interdependence between different
projects on the map, we will not hesitate to point out that ICT needs the rest as enablers, just as the rest needs it.
My first question is, what are the clear bench marks to achieve the stated vision for the country, looking at the project
pillars listed? How do we measure and audit achievements to date to ascertain whether this ship is on course..?
We have been on the website checking out the Key pillars and the enablers;
I note that, under the Macro Enablers section, the project in which we have had keen interest falls under the heading
" <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/projects/details/Macro_enablers/2> Energy Generation of 2300MW and distributed at competitive prices"
While the endeavor towards generation of enough power, for adequate, quality, reliable and affordable energy is
laudable and ongoing, we urgently need to address the question of "distribution" of the same to go lock-in-step
with these valiant efforts.
I believe Energy distribution should be listed as a "Macro-Enabler", then this way we can now address the question
of the monopolized aspect of it that currently is almost crippling and reducing the project to naught, at the expense
of progress in other project areas. No doubt ICT sub-sector will be a huge victim.
Left unchecked, a monopolized energy distribution network on which everything else hinges as we go forward, could
as well be equated to a "national security disaster-in-awaiting". Can the team review the objectives in this area to focus
heavily on this aspect also, and propose, pursue and lobby unrelentingly towards a de-monopolized energy distribution
design. Let this nation have the benefit of redundancy in this area. Short of this, we are left at the mercy of the current
national distributor. At the very best, it might remain a cog in the wheel of this Vision2030.
I would wish to draw the team Vision2030 to the tremendous success that we've all witnessed in the Telecommunication
subsector, since liberalization was introduced from around 2002/3 and competitiveness brought about the huge
dividends that we now reap. We herald this as one of the greatest turning points in this industry. Let's go that route in
the energy subsector.
Harry
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Dear Barrack - see my response below. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:57 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 1) Many thanks Grace, I agree with Harry and other listers on the grounds we have covered through the ICT sector, my question to Mugo is what is his Secretariat doing about inculcating national values which to me are the real base for the success of vision 2030? and which are this national values, i will cite a non-ICT example in which we tried out the national dress and it flopped whereas teams like Gor Mahia and FC leopards are able to implement such projects using their uniforms with ease, where did we go wrong from a national perspective? I ask this because our Ps, Bitange Ndemo has moaned over our peculiar habits which stem from a poor value system for a while on this list and i am sure this is a great impediment to the success of vision 2030, thank you for putting up the wonderfull billboards bwana Kibati but i am sorry to say that the common man may not be connecting with the message being spelt out currently, look at the way Infrastructure crumbled under the recent heavy rains, gaping holes on all our main roads yet we are reknown for feasibility studies and due diligence before awarding contractors jobs, i could continue ranting but i would like to start with the basics. [You raise many issues but the national values question is most key. The National Economic and Social Council NESC is working on a National Values System to be introduced some time next year. Moreover, the constitution has a whole chapter 6 that addresses Leadership and Integrity and Article 10 which lists our "national values". However, I do not believe that values can be legislated. Rather we have to all make a decision that we want to engage with the values articulated in the constitution. Beyond working on enforcement of the law, rules and regulations (which is very weak in this country), there is nothing much else the Secretariat or indeed the government can do. With the ongoing Judicial, Police and Electoral reforms, enforcement should become better and better and we are doing our best to sensitize the various responsible agencies. Your help in this area is needed, however. For instance, I have been engaging the Roads Board and the Police on the Thika Super highway because it not merely an infrastructure project, but a social transformational project. Matatus and (indeed all drivers), pedestrians, etc all have to change the way they behave if this Superhighway and others planned are to function as they ought to. This would mean changing driving school systems, even how we live and the commercial arrangements along the highway. This is a clear example of what we mean when we ask all Kenyans to Wakilisha for a Better Kenya and Vision 2030. To use an example you highlighted, while we are doing reasonably well on highways, the quality of our urban and rural roads leaves a lot to be desired and has to be the next frontier of roads development. But both public entity engineers as well a private sector contractors let us down. Where is the professional ethics of the Engineers Registration Board or IEK whose members are responsible for the substandard work? What value system do professional bodies such as the ERB, LSK or Architects bodies subscribe to if they do not feel compelled to sanction errant members whether they be roads contractors or lawyers who are the oil and grease of a legal system that needs overhaul? Changing value systems will be a collective national effort in which the constitution and enhancement of enforcement by government organs will have to be complemented by values inculcation in schools and a citizen activism that is seen at the polls but also in our own individual lives.] Thank you On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <[email protected]> wrote:
Listers,
This is an opportunity to highlight on what the Vision 2030 has so far achieved... in the Medium Term Plan (2008-2012) and how much is remaining to be achieved.
Regards,
Solomon
On 13/12/2011, Harry Delano <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Listers - Ladies and gentlemen,
Good morning, and herein lies an opportunity to take part in shaping what should be a very important vision for
this nation. I personally trust that opinion and important suggestions here are of huge value, and that it is not late
for the Vision 2030 Team to incorporate some in their blue print, and also that this blue print has inbuilt flexibility
to make adjustments as much as it is desirable as we move forward to implement.
Dear Mr. Mugo Kibati,
Welcome on board, and as a vision for this country, we congratulate the team for being bold. I believe the forum here
will focus heavily on the ICT Sub-sector. But, just as the Vision 2030 correctly correlates interdependence between different
projects on the map, we will not hesitate to point out that ICT needs the rest as enablers, just as the rest needs it.
My first question is, what are the clear bench marks to achieve the stated vision for the country, looking at the project
pillars listed? How do we measure and audit achievements to date to ascertain whether this ship is on course..?
We have been on the website checking out the Key pillars and the enablers;
I note that, under the Macro Enablers section, the project in which we have had keen interest falls under the heading
" <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/projects/details/Macro_enablers/2> Energy Generation of 2300MW and distributed at competitive prices"
While the endeavor towards generation of enough power, for adequate, quality, reliable and affordable energy is
laudable and ongoing, we urgently need to address the question of "distribution" of the same to go lock-in-step
with these valiant efforts.
I believe Energy distribution should be listed as a "Macro-Enabler", then this way we can now address the question
of the monopolized aspect of it that currently is almost crippling and reducing the project to naught, at the expense
of progress in other project areas. No doubt ICT sub-sector will be a huge victim.
Left unchecked, a monopolized energy distribution network on which everything else hinges as we go forward, could
as well be equated to a "national security disaster-in-awaiting". Can the team review the objectives in this area to focus
heavily on this aspect also, and propose, pursue and lobby unrelentingly towards a de-monopolized energy distribution
design. Let this nation have the benefit of redundancy in this area. Short of this, we are left at the mercy of the current
national distributor. At the very best, it might remain a cog in the wheel of this Vision2030.
I would wish to draw the team Vision2030 to the tremendous success that we've all witnessed in the Telecommunication
subsector, since liberalization was introduced from around 2002/3 and competitiveness brought about the huge
dividends that we now reap. We herald this as one of the greatest turning points in this industry. Let's go that route in
the energy subsector.
Harry
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Many thanks Mugo for your candid response i hope the national value system can be availed as soon as possible, i think this is one area we need to invest resources in as a country, we can leverage ICTs through crowdsourcing in which we bring on board community champions, we could also use social media to whip Kenyans into being Kenyan. Kindly let us know how we can be part of this transformational process in whichever small ways moreso through ICTs, meanwhile i am satisfied with your response to my question. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Mugo Kibati <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Barrack - see my response below.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:57 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 1)
Many thanks Grace,
I agree with Harry and other listers on the grounds we have covered through the ICT sector, my question to Mugo is what is his Secretariat doing about inculcating national values which to me are the real base for the success of vision 2030? and which are this national values, i will cite a non-ICT example in which we tried out the national dress and it flopped whereas teams like Gor Mahia and FC leopards are able to implement such projects using their uniforms with ease, where did we go wrong from a national perspective? I ask this because our Ps, Bitange Ndemo has moaned over our peculiar habits which stem from a poor value system for a while on this list and i am sure this is a great impediment to the success of vision 2030, thank you for putting up the wonderfull billboards bwana Kibati but i am sorry to say that the common man may not be connecting with the message being spelt out currently, look at the way Infrastructure crumbled under the recent heavy rains, gaping holes on all our main roads yet we are reknown for feasibility studies and due diligence before awarding contractors jobs, i could continue ranting but i would like to start with the basics.
[You raise many issues but the national values question is most key. The National Economic and Social Council NESC is working on a National Values System to be introduced some time next year. Moreover, the constitution has a whole chapter 6 that addresses Leadership and Integrity and Article 10 which lists our "national values". However, I do not believe that values can be legislated. Rather we have to all make a decision that we want to engage with the values articulated in the constitution. Beyond working on enforcement of the law, rules and regulations (which is very weak in this country), there is nothing much else the Secretariat or indeed the government can do. With the ongoing Judicial, Police and Electoral reforms, enforcement should become better and better and we are doing our best to sensitize the various responsible agencies. Your help in this area is needed, however. For instance, I have been engaging the Roads Board and the Police on the Thika Super highway because it not merely an infrastructure project, but a social transformational project. Matatus and (indeed all drivers), pedestrians, etc all have to change the way they behave if this Superhighway and others planned are to function as they ought to. This would mean changing driving school systems, even how we live and the commercial arrangements along the highway. This is a clear example of what we mean when we ask all Kenyans to Wakilisha for a Better Kenya and Vision 2030. To use an example you highlighted, while we are doing reasonably well on highways, the quality of our urban and rural roads leaves a lot to be desired and has to be the next frontier of roads development. But both public entity engineers as well a private sector contractors let us down. Where is the professional ethics of the Engineers Registration Board or IEK whose members are responsible for the substandard work? What value system do professional bodies such as the ERB, LSK or Architects bodies subscribe to if they do not feel compelled to sanction errant members whether they be roads contractors or lawyers who are the oil and grease of a legal system that needs overhaul?
Changing value systems will be a collective national effort in which the constitution and enhancement of enforcement by government organs will have to be complemented by values inculcation in schools and a citizen activism that is seen at the polls but also in our own individual lives.]
Thank you
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <[email protected]> wrote:
Listers,
This is an opportunity to highlight on what the Vision 2030 has so far achieved... in the Medium Term Plan (2008-2012) and how much is remaining to be achieved.
Regards,
Solomon
On 13/12/2011, Harry Delano <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Listers - Ladies and gentlemen,
Good morning, and herein lies an opportunity to take part in shaping what should be a very important vision for
this nation. I personally trust that opinion and important suggestions here are of huge value, and that it is not late
for the Vision 2030 Team to incorporate some in their blue print, and also that this blue print has inbuilt flexibility
to make adjustments as much as it is desirable as we move forward to implement.
Dear Mr. Mugo Kibati,
Welcome on board, and as a vision for this country, we congratulate the team for being bold. I believe the forum here
will focus heavily on the ICT Sub-sector. But, just as the Vision 2030 correctly correlates interdependence between different
projects on the map, we will not hesitate to point out that ICT needs the rest as enablers, just as the rest needs it.
My first question is, what are the clear bench marks to achieve the stated vision for the country, looking at the project
pillars listed? How do we measure and audit achievements to date to ascertain whether this ship is on course..?
We have been on the website checking out the Key pillars and the enablers;
I note that, under the Macro Enablers section, the project in which we have had keen interest falls under the heading
" <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/projects/details/Macro_enablers/2> Energy Generation of 2300MW and distributed at competitive prices"
While the endeavor towards generation of enough power, for adequate, quality, reliable and affordable energy is
laudable and ongoing, we urgently need to address the question of "distribution" of the same to go lock-in-step
with these valiant efforts.
I believe Energy distribution should be listed as a "Macro-Enabler", then this way we can now address the question
of the monopolized aspect of it that currently is almost crippling and reducing the project to naught, at the expense
of progress in other project areas. No doubt ICT sub-sector will be a huge victim.
Left unchecked, a monopolized energy distribution network on which everything else hinges as we go forward, could
as well be equated to a "national security disaster-in-awaiting". Can the team review the objectives in this area to focus
heavily on this aspect also, and propose, pursue and lobby unrelentingly towards a de-monopolized energy distribution
design. Let this nation have the benefit of redundancy in this area. Short of this, we are left at the mercy of the current
national distributor. At the very best, it might remain a cog in the wheel of this Vision2030.
I would wish to draw the team Vision2030 to the tremendous success that we've all witnessed in the Telecommunication
subsector, since liberalization was introduced from around 2002/3 and competitiveness brought about the huge
dividends that we now reap. We herald this as one of the greatest turning points in this industry. Let's go that route in
the energy subsector.
Harry
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Dear Mr. Kibati, Thank you for giving us this opportunity. I note that under the pillars, you have identified *IT enabled services *(under the economic pillar) and *Science, Technology and Innovation + Human Resource Development *(under the Enablers and Macros). My belief is that the three are related especially considering the critical role that our training institutions will play in developing the human resource and much of the STI. But a casual look at the flagship project show no project targeted at our institutions of research and higher learning. How do we hope to grow these institutions and their role considering our main national resource has been touted to be our "excellent' human resource? Josphat Karanja On Tuesday, December 13, 2011, Barrack Otieno wrote:
Many thanks Grace,
I agree with Harry and other listers on the grounds we have covered through the ICT sector, my question to Mugo is what is his Secretariat doing about inculcating national values which to me are the real base for the success of vision 2030? and which are this national values, i will cite a non-ICT example in which we tried out the national dress and it flopped whereas teams like Gor Mahia and FC leopards are able to implement such projects using their uniforms with ease, where did we go wrong from a national perspective? I ask this because our Ps, Bitange Ndemo has moaned over our peculiar habits which stem from a poor value system for a while on this list and i am sure this is a great impediment to the success of vision 2030, thank you for putting up the wonderfull billboards bwana Kibati but i am sorry to say that the common man may not be connecting with the message being spelt out currently, look at the way Infrastructure crumbled under the recent heavy rains, gaping holes on all our main roads yet we are reknown for feasibility studies and due diligence before awarding contractors jobs, i could continue ranting but i would like to start with the basics.
Thank you
Listers,
This is an opportunity to highlight on what the Vision 2030 has so far achieved... in the Medium Term Plan (2008-2012) and how much is remaining to be achieved.
Regards,
Solomon
On 13/12/2011, Harry Delano <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Listers - Ladies and gentlemen,
Good morning, and herein lies an opportunity to take part in shaping what should be a very important vision for
this nation. I personally trust that opinion and important suggestions here are of huge value, and that it is not late
for the Vision 2030 Team to incorporate some in their blue print, and also that this blue print has inbuilt flexibility
to make adjustments as much as it is desirable as we move forward to implement.
Dear Mr. Mugo Kibati,
Welcome on board, and as a vision for this country, we congratulate the team for being bold. I believe the forum here
will focus heavily on the ICT Sub-sector. But, just as the Vision 2030 correctly correlates interdependence between different
projects on the map, we will not hesitate to point out that ICT needs
rest as enablers, just as the rest needs it.
My first question is, what are the clear bench marks to achieve the stated vision for the country, looking at the project
pillars listed? How do we measure and audit achievements to date to ascertain whether this ship is on course..?
We have been on the website checking out the Key pillars and the enablers;
I note that, under the Macro Enablers section, the project in which we have had keen interest falls under the heading
" < http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/projects/details/Macro_enablers/2> Energy Generation of 2300MW and distributed at competitive prices"
While the endeavor towards generation of enough power, for adequate, quality, reliable and affordable energy is
laudable and ongoing, we urgently need to address the question of "distribution" of the same to go lock-in-step
with these valiant efforts.
I believe Energy distribution should be listed as a "Macro-Enabler",
this way we can now address the question
of the monopolized aspect of it that currently is almost crippling and reducing the project to naught, at the expense
of progress in other project areas. No doubt ICT sub-sector will be a huge victim.
Left unchecked, a monopolized energy distribution network on which everything else hinges as we go forward, could
as well be equated to a "national security disaster-in-awaiting". Can
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <[email protected]> wrote: the then the
team review the objectives in this area to focus
heavily on this aspect also, and propose, pursue and lobby unrelentingly towards a de-monopolized energy distribution
design. Let this nation have the benefit of redundancy in this area. Short of this, we are left at the mercy of the current
national distributor. At the very best, it might remain a cog in the wheel of this Vision2030.
I would wish to draw the team Vision2030 to the tremendous success that we've all witnessed in the Telecommunication
subsector, since liberalization was introduced from around 2002/3 and competitiveness brought about the huge
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Josphat Thank you for the correct observation on the “Chicken-Egg” relationship between ITes+STI+HRD. It is important to contextualize the Vision and Pillars. The thrust of the Economic pillar is to bundle high growth sectors which yield the highest GDP. As you correctly note, ITes/BPO is one of those sectors together with Manufacturing, Tourism, Trade, Agriculture and Financial services contributing more than 57% of total GDP. STI and HRD is correctly placed in the Foundations pillar because of the obvious enabling effect they provide for transformation. You correctly note the gaps we have in our tertiary institutions to cultivate Kenya’s best human capital to align with our collective ability to build and maintain a globally competitive nation. The Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat has intervened to partner and endorse Private sector initiatives, like Vision 2030 ICT Innovation Awards (with ICT Board), Huduma, Mpesa, IHub, among others. Under the Social Pillar are ongoing efforts to revamp the school curriculums across the institutions. As we move into the 2nd Medium Term Plan, I see a major convergence between the private sector and higher institutions on the three years. Meanwhile, WAKILISHA! <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/> logo.jpg Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: [email protected] www.vision2030.go.ke From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josphat Karanja Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:40 PM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 1) Dear Mr. Kibati, Thank you for giving us this opportunity. I note that under the pillars, you have identified IT enabled services (under the economic pillar) and Science, Technology and Innovation + Human Resource Development (under the Enablers and Macros). My belief is that the three are related especially considering the critical role that our training institutions will play in developing the human resource and much of the STI. But a casual look at the flagship project show no project targeted at our institutions of research and higher learning. How do we hope to grow these institutions and their role considering our main national resource has been touted to be our "excellent' human resource? Josphat Karanja On Tuesday, December 13, 2011, Barrack Otieno wrote: Many thanks Grace, I agree with Harry and other listers on the grounds we have covered through the ICT sector, my question to Mugo is what is his Secretariat doing about inculcating national values which to me are the real base for the success of vision 2030? and which are this national values, i will cite a non-ICT example in which we tried out the national dress and it flopped whereas teams like Gor Mahia and FC leopards are able to implement such projects using their uniforms with ease, where did we go wrong from a national perspective? I ask this because our Ps, Bitange Ndemo has moaned over our peculiar habits which stem from a poor value system for a while on this list and i am sure this is a great impediment to the success of vision 2030, thank you for putting up the wonderfull billboards bwana Kibati but i am sorry to say that the common man may not be connecting with the message being spelt out currently, look at the way Infrastructure crumbled under the recent heavy rains, gaping holes on all our main roads yet we are reknown for feasibility studies and due diligence before awarding contractors jobs, i could continue ranting but i would like to start with the basics. Thank you On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <[email protected]> wrote:
Listers,
This is an opportunity to highlight on what the Vision 2030 has so far achieved... in the Medium Term Plan (2008-2012) and how much is remaining to be achieved.
Regards,
Solomon
On 13/12/2011, Harry Delano <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Listers - Ladies and gentlemen,
Good morning, and herein lies an opportunity to take part in shaping what should be a very important vision for
this nation. I personally trust that opinion and important suggestions here are of huge value, and that it is not late
for the Vision 2030 Team to incorporate some in their blue print, and also that this blue print has inbuilt flexibility
to make adjustments as much as it is desirable as we move forward to implement.
Dear Mr. Mugo Kibati,
Welcome on board, and as a vision for this country, we congratulate the team for being bold. I believe the forum here
will focus heavily on the ICT Sub-sector. But, just as the Vision 2030 correctly correlates interdependence between different
projects on the map, we will not hesitate to point out that ICT needs the rest as enablers, just as the rest needs it.
My first question is, what are the clear bench marks to achieve the stated vision for the country, looking at the project
pillars listed? How do we measure and audit achievements to date to ascertain whether this ship is on course..?
We have been on the website checking out the Key pillars and the enablers;
I note that, under the Macro Enablers section, the project in which we have had keen interest falls under the heading
" <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/projects/details/Macro_enablers/2> Energy Generation of 2300MW and distributed at competitive prices"
While the endeavor towards generation of enough power, for adequate, quality, reliable and affordable energy is
laudable and ongoing, we urgently need to address the question of "distribution" of the same to go lock-in-step
with these valiant efforts.
I believe Energy distribution should be listed as a "Macro-Enabler", then this way we can now address the question
of the monopolized aspect of it that currently is almost crippling and reducing the project to naught, at the expense
of progress in other project areas. No doubt ICT sub-sector will be a huge victim.
Left unchecked, a monopolized energy distribution network on which everything else hinges as we go forward, could
as well be equated to a "national security disaster-in-awaiting". Can the team review the objectives in this area to focus
heavily on this aspect also, and propose, pursue and lobby unrelentingly towards a de-monopolized energy distribution
design. Let this nation have the benefit of redundancy in this area. Short of this, we are left at the mercy of the current
national distributor. At the very best, it might remain a cog in the wheel of this Vision2030.
I would wish to draw the team Vision2030 to the tremendous success that we've all witnessed in the Telecommunication
subsector, since liberalization was introduced from around 2002/3 and competitiveness brought about the huge
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Dear Harry and Listers - Thanks for welcoming me to this forum. I will do my best to respond to your various questions. Please my answers to your questions Harry, interspersed in your questions below [in brackets]. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:45 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 1) Dear Listers - Ladies and gentlemen, Good morning, and herein lies an opportunity to take part in shaping what should be a very important vision for this nation. I personally trust that opinion and important suggestions here are of huge value, and that it is not late for the Vision 2030 Team to incorporate some in their blue print, and also that this blue print has inbuilt flexibility to make adjustments as much as it is desirable as we move forward to implement. Dear Mr. Mugo Kibati, Welcome on board, and as a vision for this country, we congratulate the team for being bold. I believe the forum here will focus heavily on the ICT Sub-sector. But, just as the Vision 2030 correctly correlates interdependence between different projects on the map, we will not hesitate to point out that ICT needs the rest as enablers, just as the rest needs it. My first question is, what are the clear bench marks to achieve the stated vision for the country, looking at the project pillars listed? How do we measure and audit achievements to date to ascertain whether this ship is on course..? [That's a good question. There are indeed clear targets for the various flagship projects. The level of specificity and clarity varies of course from project to project. In areas such as, say roads, where there is substantial past experience, the targets are clearer. In areas which are new to us and there are several - e.g. Special Economic Zones, the Lamu Port South Sudan Ethiopia Transport (LAPSSET) Corridor, we have to keep refining targets and timelines. In almost all cases, the actual timelines can only really be determined after detailed feasibility or engineering designs are complete. At the Secretariat, we have spent considerable time and effort working on a case by case basis to streamline targets and to try and force implementation road maps and funding models for each project no matter how complex or novel to the implementing agencies. Please visit the website www.vision2030.go.ke which is a continuous work in progress to get a feel of the status of the various projects with respect to set objectives and targets - both medium term as well as long term. Please note that for this first medium term plan running from July 1 2008 to June 30 2013 the focus is essentially on laying the foundations for Vision 2030 which includes lots of structures, systems, planning and even mindset change!] We have been on the website checking out the Key pillars and the enablers; I note that, under the Macro Enablers section, the project in which we have had keen interest falls under the heading " <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/projects/details/Macro_enablers/2> Energy Generation of 2300MW and distributed at competitive prices" While the endeavor towards generation of enough power, for adequate, quality, reliable and affordable energy is laudable and ongoing, we urgently need to address the question of "distribution" of the same to go lock-in-step with these valiant efforts. I believe Energy distribution should be listed as a "Macro-Enabler", then this way we can now address the question of the monopolized aspect of it that currently is almost crippling and reducing the project to naught, at the expense of progress in other project areas. No doubt ICT sub-sector will be a huge victim. Left unchecked, a monopolized energy distribution network on which everything else hinges as we go forward, could as well be equated to a "national security disaster-in-awaiting". Can the team review the objectives in this area to focus heavily on this aspect also, and propose, pursue and lobby unrelentingly towards a de-monopolized energy distribution design. Let this nation have the benefit of redundancy in this area. Short of this, we are left at the mercy of the current national distributor. At the very best, it might remain a cog in the wheel of this Vision2030. I would wish to draw the team Vision2030 to the tremendous success that we've all witnessed in the Telecommunication subsector, since liberalization was introduced from around 2002/3 and competitiveness brought about the huge dividends that we now reap. We herald this as one of the greatest turning points in this industry. Let's go that route in the energy subsector. [Energy Distribution is indeed under Macro-Enablers and I will check to see why we haven't included it. You raise a major philosophical issue on liberalizing distribution using the success of the Telecom sector as a benchmark. I do not fault you on that but in other jurisdictions such as the US where both the Telecom and Energy distribution sectors were liberalized, the success of the liberalization of energy distribution is in serious question even while the telecom sector has very successfully liberalized. It could a matter of methodology and not liberalization per se but it still gives on pause given that is much more sophisticated and mature liberal market environment. In any case, unbundling has to be the first order of business, followed by careful de-monopolization of each component of the bundle. Generation is already liberalized but not so transmission and liberalization and we are at the nascent stages of unbundling. Also, please note the Rural Electrification has been hived off KPLC to the Rural Electrification Authority in bid towards reducing that monopoly power and for higher efficiency. In the US, states there has been a trend towards state run distribution monopolies. Please email me a concept note and we can open up a discussion at the Ministry of energy.] Harry
Thanks @mugo and listers that have fired the initial questions. Mine are threefold: 1: Someone has mentioned energy, especially electricity. Is it just enough to generate 23GW that costs an arm and a leg? what deliberate efforts are being done to ensure the electricity that comes in the name of vision 2030 will sustain the competitive edge as opposed to profiteering for the suppliers through ridiculous, long binding contracts at double or even triple the actual prices. 2: What strategies are being used to ensure everyone is at par in first understanding the vision? can you for instance assure me that my grandmother in nyansabakua in the fringes of Kisii/nyamira, and locals in the deep of kilifi, say bamba for instance have hope of ever hearing about the vision and more importantly participating towards is? 3: What are the strategies of ensuring this "thing" is not treated like CDF projects that stall once the <sponsor> vacates office? is there a plan to keep the stemship in steady supply of coal past 2012, 2017, 2222 and 2027?
As for values, I think our education system is a culprit, we are brought up on a "stick" approach, be disciplined or else the teacher will punish you. Sadly, this ends after high school, and that is where drama begins Schools should learn the concept of freedom with responsibilities, High school kids need to have more student freedom . Why is it in developed countries, schools don't need military discipline?
Dennis on the contrary, I think the 'stick' is important for discipline, at least to a certain age. In my opinion traditions and religions, which have driven value systems for centuries advocated for the 'rod' as form of punishment when one errs, especially for children. Christians believe in the need to train a child (aged below 12) in the way they should go so that when they are older (about 12 and above) they do not depart from the value system. I agree with Kibati that this is collective and I would lay the burden squarely on the parents. Teachers have little they can accomplish if they are getting children who have been poorly trained by parents. We need to go back to the family institutions that are the true foundations for the generations to come. Parents must spare time to raise up children with values that we desire. We must not allow the TV and most media to do so, except when reinforcing the parent. I think Vision 2030 can advocate for parents to inculcate the right culture from home level. Our education systems can help the parent in this role. My thoughts. Cleophas On 12/14/11, Dennis Kioko <[email protected]> wrote:
As for values, I think our education system is a culprit, we are brought up on a "stick" approach, be disciplined or else the teacher will punish you. Sadly, this ends after high school, and that is where drama begins
Schools should learn the concept of freedom with responsibilities, High school kids need to have more student freedom . Why is it in developed countries, schools don't need military discipline?
-- Sent from my mobile device Sincerely, Cleophas Barmasai "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age..." (Titus 2:11,12, NKJV)
If this is the correct method, what happens when we grow up and purchase vehicles and drive in disregard of other motorists, and then defraud each other from land to company supplies
Dennis on a lighter note police are not enforcing Kiboko, Kibati talked about enforcement, Chiefs and headmen should be given the task of caning errant drivers :-), i just saw on a friends wall on Facebook that Police in Zimbabwe have replaced the fine meted when you are found using your cell phone while driving with a jail sentence, i have not verified this, this is the way to go since i also cannot resist the temptation to use my cell phone. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Dennis Kioko <[email protected]> wrote:
If this is the correct method, what happens when we grow up and purchase vehicles and drive in disregard of other motorists, and then defraud each other from land to company supplies
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Cleophas/Dennis, You both make very valid and cogent points and you are both right. We need all of us, schools (education system), parents, family faith based and religious organizations, enforcement agencies to chip in and inculcate discipline, ethics and values in society. I cannot possibly overstate the importance of this in the drive towards Vision 2030!! Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: [email protected] www.vision2030.go.ke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cleophas Barmasai Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:13 PM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 1) Dennis on the contrary, I think the 'stick' is important for discipline, at least to a certain age. In my opinion traditions and religions, which have driven value systems for centuries advocated for the 'rod' as form of punishment when one errs, especially for children. Christians believe in the need to train a child (aged below 12) in the way they should go so that when they are older (about 12 and above) they do not depart from the value system. I agree with Kibati that this is collective and I would lay the burden squarely on the parents. Teachers have little they can accomplish if they are getting children who have been poorly trained by parents. We need to go back to the family institutions that are the true foundations for the generations to come. Parents must spare time to raise up children with values that we desire. We must not allow the TV and most media to do so, except when reinforcing the parent. I think Vision 2030 can advocate for parents to inculcate the right culture from home level. Our education systems can help the parent in this role. My thoughts. Cleophas On 12/14/11, Dennis Kioko <[email protected]> wrote:
As for values, I think our education system is a culprit, we are brought up on a "stick" approach, be disciplined or else the teacher will punish you. Sadly, this ends after high school, and that is where drama begins
Schools should learn the concept of freedom with responsibilities, High school kids need to have more student freedom . Why is it in developed countries, schools don't need military discipline?
-- Sent from my mobile device Sincerely, Cleophas Barmasai "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age..." (Titus 2:11,12, NKJV) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mugo%40vision2030.go.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
participants (8)
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[ Brainiac ] -
Barrack Otieno -
Cleophas Barmasai -
Dennis Kioko -
Harry Delano -
Josphat Karanja -
Mugo Kibati -
Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau