Digital Piracy - Nigeria Copyright Proposed Bill in Parliament
A number of you took issue with my going to court to petition for ISPs to block piracy websites - by saying it would amount to restricting internet freedom. Well Nigeria seems be ahead on the same. http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/04/ncc-proposes-bill-on-digital-piracy-t o-impose-two-percent-levy-on-dvds-others/ Regards Bernard -- * ------------------------------ * This e-mail and any attachments may contain information that is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law and is intended for the sole use of the named recipient(s). Any unauthorized review, use, or disclosure or distribution is prohibited. Any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting on any information contained in this email is hereby excluded. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the contents and notify the sender immediately; do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose or store or copy the information in any medium. Whilst our e-mails are checked for viruses, we cannot guarantee that this message or any attachment is virus free, does not contain malicious code or is incompatible with your electronic system and the Company does not accept liability in respect of viruses, malicious code or any related problems that you might experience. For further information about us, please contact us at the address indicated below. Bernsoft Interactive Limited - P O Box 15177-00100 Nairobi - Tel: +254 722 929192 Email: admin@bernsoft.com Web: www.bernsoft.com
Sir, while your cause is a noble one it is my opinion that the approach taken to counter digital piracy is wrong. Empirical evidence would suggest that measures such as ISP imposed blocks, domain takedowns and the threat of massive fines have failed in mature markets. As a country we can do better than this and find a solution that works for the copyright holders without restricting the consumers' freedom to access the Internet. -- keybase.io/kipyegonmark On 28 Apr 2015, at 00:09, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A number of you took issue with my going to court to petition for ISPs to block piracy websites – by saying it would amount to restricting internet freedom. Well Nigeria seems be ahead on the same.
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/04/ncc-proposes-bill-on-digital-piracy-t...
Regards
Bernard
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While I also support your cause against digital piracy, I am more concerned with the approach you you're going to take. Have you considered putting in place appeal mechanisms for unfair blocking? Will the ISP have the full responsibility to police internet content? How can we ensure transparency in this course? On Apr 28, 2015 6:25 AM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sir, while your cause is a noble one it is my opinion that the approach taken to counter digital piracy is wrong.
Empirical evidence would suggest that measures such as ISP imposed blocks, domain takedowns and the threat of massive fines have failed in mature markets.
As a country we can do better than this and find a solution that works for the copyright holders without restricting the consumers' freedom to access the Internet.
-- keybase.io/kipyegonmark
On 28 Apr 2015, at 00:09, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A number of you took issue with my going to court to petition for ISPs to block piracy websites - by saying it would amount to restricting internet freedom. Well Nigeria seems be ahead on the same.
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/04/ncc-proposes-bill-on-digital-piracy-t...
Regards
Bernard
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Liz/Dennis The policy on issues like this are mucky at best in this country. I'm not surprised that you decide litigation is the best way out. *Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Liz Orembo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
While I also support your cause against digital piracy, I am more concerned with the approach you you're going to take.
Have you considered putting in place appeal mechanisms for unfair blocking? Will the ISP have the full responsibility to police internet content? How can we ensure transparency in this course? On Apr 28, 2015 6:25 AM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sir, while your cause is a noble one it is my opinion that the approach taken to counter digital piracy is wrong.
Empirical evidence would suggest that measures such as ISP imposed blocks, domain takedowns and the threat of massive fines have failed in mature markets.
As a country we can do better than this and find a solution that works for the copyright holders without restricting the consumers' freedom to access the Internet.
-- keybase.io/kipyegonmark
On 28 Apr 2015, at 00:09, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A number of you took issue with my going to court to petition for ISPs to block piracy websites – by saying it would amount to restricting internet freedom. Well Nigeria seems be ahead on the same.
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/04/ncc-proposes-bill-on-digital-piracy-t...
Regards
Bernard
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Liz our other plea to the court was for the copyright board to develop a policy on digital piracy. That am told is now on-going. Btw we went to court after being ignored by the major mobile ISPs. On Apr 28, 2015 8:48 AM, "Liz Orembo via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
While I also support your cause against digital piracy, I am more concerned with the approach you you're going to take.
Have you considered putting in place appeal mechanisms for unfair blocking? Will the ISP have the full responsibility to police internet content? How can we ensure transparency in this course? On Apr 28, 2015 6:25 AM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sir, while your cause is a noble one it is my opinion that the approach taken to counter digital piracy is wrong.
Empirical evidence would suggest that measures such as ISP imposed blocks, domain takedowns and the threat of massive fines have failed in mature markets.
As a country we can do better than this and find a solution that works for the copyright holders without restricting the consumers' freedom to access the Internet.
-- keybase.io/kipyegonmark
On 28 Apr 2015, at 00:09, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A number of you took issue with my going to court to petition for ISPs to block piracy websites – by saying it would amount to restricting internet freedom. Well Nigeria seems be ahead on the same.
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/04/ncc-proposes-bill-on-digital-piracy-t...
Regards
Bernard
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Mark, could you give examples of solutions you would propose. On Apr 28, 2015 6:25 AM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sir, while your cause is a noble one it is my opinion that the approach taken to counter digital piracy is wrong.
Empirical evidence would suggest that measures such as ISP imposed blocks, domain takedowns and the threat of massive fines have failed in mature markets.
As a country we can do better than this and find a solution that works for the copyright holders without restricting the consumers' freedom to access the Internet.
-- keybase.io/kipyegonmark
On 28 Apr 2015, at 00:09, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A number of you took issue with my going to court to petition for ISPs to block piracy websites – by saying it would amount to restricting internet freedom. Well Nigeria seems be ahead on the same.
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/04/ncc-proposes-bill-on-digital-piracy-t...
Regards
Bernard
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Off the top of my head, better consumer education on legitimate sources of digital content would be a good place to start. We have the advantage of learning from other countries where punitive legislation such as the DMCA has been a failure at stopping digital piracy. -- keybase.io/kipyegonmark On 28 Apr 2015, at 09:21, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Mark, could you give examples of solutions you would propose.
On Apr 28, 2015 6:25 AM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Sir, while your cause is a noble one it is my opinion that the approach taken to counter digital piracy is wrong.
Empirical evidence would suggest that measures such as ISP imposed blocks, domain takedowns and the threat of massive fines have failed in mature markets.
As a country we can do better than this and find a solution that works for the copyright holders without restricting the consumers' freedom to access the Internet.
On 28 Apr 2015, at 00:09, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A number of you took issue with my going to court to petition for ISPs to block piracy websites – by saying it would amount to restricting internet freedom. Well Nigeria seems be ahead on the same.
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/04/ncc-proposes-bill-on-digital-piracy-t...
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Piracy takes many forms and it's almost impossible to wipe out, but that doesn't mean the IP owners shouls just sit and do nothing. Dennis, I am one of those who took up the issue with you, but I do remember you did out out your case quite clearly. I also know you know all about what other listers are talking about. All I can say -- go ahead and do what you can. For instance, I have seen, from last week that kickass.to, a popular torrent site appears to be blocked by some ISPs. Such a step is what will help protect the IP. On 28 April 2015 at 09:48, Mark Kipyegon via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Off the top of my head, better consumer education on legitimate sources of digital content would be a good place to start.
We have the advantage of learning from other countries where punitive legislation such as the DMCA has been a failure at stopping digital piracy.
-- keybase.io/kipyegonmark
On 28 Apr 2015, at 09:21, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Mark, could you give examples of solutions you would propose. On Apr 28, 2015 6:25 AM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sir, while your cause is a noble one it is my opinion that the approach taken to counter digital piracy is wrong.
Empirical evidence would suggest that measures such as ISP imposed blocks, domain takedowns and the threat of massive fines have failed in mature markets.
As a country we can do better than this and find a solution that works for the copyright holders without restricting the consumers' freedom to access the Internet.
On 28 Apr 2015, at 00:09, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A number of you took issue with my going to court to petition for ISPs to block piracy websites - by saying it would amount to restricting internet freedom. Well Nigeria seems be ahead on the same.
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/04/ncc-proposes-bill-on-digital-piracy-t...
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Yours is a case of napster vs the music industry, block one url/provider and another source will pop up. example(limewire, torrents) Best try your best to encourage people to buy music rather than illegally download it (apple did it), I'm sure Kenyans don't mind supporting the likes of Abbas who has his music on amazon. Pricing & Quality match..who wants to download and pay for a track where people say "ukitaka nye nye nye" The Guy Fawkes mask will continue to haunt you. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Piracy takes many forms and it's almost impossible to wipe out, but that doesn't mean the IP owners shouls just sit and do nothing.
Dennis, I am one of those who took up the issue with you, but I do remember you did out out your case quite clearly. I also know you know all about what other listers are talking about.
All I can say -- go ahead and do what you can.
For instance, I have seen, from last week that kickass.to, a popular torrent site appears to be blocked by some ISPs. Such a step is what will help protect the IP.
On 28 April 2015 at 09:48, Mark Kipyegon via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Off the top of my head, better consumer education on legitimate sources of digital content would be a good place to start.
We have the advantage of learning from other countries where punitive legislation such as the DMCA has been a failure at stopping digital piracy.
-- keybase.io/kipyegonmark
On 28 Apr 2015, at 09:21, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Mark, could you give examples of solutions you would propose. On Apr 28, 2015 6:25 AM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sir, while your cause is a noble one it is my opinion that the approach taken to counter digital piracy is wrong.
Empirical evidence would suggest that measures such as ISP imposed blocks, domain takedowns and the threat of massive fines have failed in mature markets.
As a country we can do better than this and find a solution that works for the copyright holders without restricting the consumers' freedom to access the Internet.
On 28 Apr 2015, at 00:09, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A number of you took issue with my going to court to petition for ISPs to block piracy websites – by saying it would amount to restricting internet freedom. Well Nigeria seems be ahead on the same.
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/04/ncc-proposes-bill-on-digital-piracy-t...
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Brian the government bodies charged with education on piracy are the respondents to the petition.... Don't worry am willing to take a bullet for anything i believe in.. And i know I can believe in something me alone. On Apr 28, 2015 9:21 PM, "Brian L via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yours is a case of napster vs the music industry, block one url/provider and another source will pop up. example(limewire, torrents)
Best try your best to encourage people to buy music rather than illegally download it (apple did it), I'm sure Kenyans don't mind supporting the likes of Abbas who has his music on amazon. Pricing & Quality match..who wants to download and pay for a track where people say "ukitaka nye nye nye"
The Guy Fawkes mask will continue to haunt you.
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Piracy takes many forms and it's almost impossible to wipe out, but that doesn't mean the IP owners shouls just sit and do nothing.
Dennis, I am one of those who took up the issue with you, but I do remember you did out out your case quite clearly. I also know you know all about what other listers are talking about.
All I can say -- go ahead and do what you can.
For instance, I have seen, from last week that kickass.to, a popular torrent site appears to be blocked by some ISPs. Such a step is what will help protect the IP.
On 28 April 2015 at 09:48, Mark Kipyegon via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Off the top of my head, better consumer education on legitimate sources of digital content would be a good place to start.
We have the advantage of learning from other countries where punitive legislation such as the DMCA has been a failure at stopping digital piracy.
-- keybase.io/kipyegonmark
On 28 Apr 2015, at 09:21, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Mark, could you give examples of solutions you would propose. On Apr 28, 2015 6:25 AM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sir, while your cause is a noble one it is my opinion that the approach taken to counter digital piracy is wrong.
Empirical evidence would suggest that measures such as ISP imposed blocks, domain takedowns and the threat of massive fines have failed in mature markets.
As a country we can do better than this and find a solution that works for the copyright holders without restricting the consumers' freedom to access the Internet.
On 28 Apr 2015, at 00:09, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A number of you took issue with my going to court to petition for ISPs to block piracy websites – by saying it would amount to restricting internet freedom. Well Nigeria seems be ahead on the same.
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/04/ncc-proposes-bill-on-digital-piracy-t...
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participants (6)
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Ali Hussein
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Bernard Kioko
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Brian L
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Liz Orembo
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Mark Kipyegon
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Odhiambo Washington