Net neutrality 'first world' problem?
This is at least the second piece citing the CS' point of view. It might be in order to write a letter to him explaining why it is not a first world problem. Regards, Nanjira. Sent from my iPhone.
On 27 Feb 2016, at 07:44, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
Net neutrality 'first world' problem? (Ali Hussein)
Nanjira The CS is definitely entitled to his opinion. Like all of us. My concern is of course that his opinion can be construed to be Government Policy. And Net Neutrality cannot be distilled in such a simplistic way. I think it's high time this country and the rest of Africa have a deep conversation about what Net Neutrality means for us. Take for example the issue of KFCB the other day when the CEO announced that they have asked Google to take down the 'offending' video of same sex marriage/love endorsement. I was astounded that the whole discussion degenerated to the issue of homosexuality!! My questions and concerns were quite clear and they alluded to our total lack of policy regarding Net Neutrality. And address in an ICT Forum. KFCB used the right tools to ask for the video take down. The same tools have been used by other governments. With all due respect to the CS but I think he needs to be careful not to simplify this important matter. Let's discuss it fully and come up with our own Net Neutrality version. This definitely doesn't include abdicating our responsibilities as a country to global internet companies. This will be a recipe for disaster. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 27 Feb 2016, at 8:08 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is at least the second piece citing the CS' point of view. It might be in order to write a letter to him explaining why it is not a first world problem.
Regards, Nanjira.
Sent from my iPhone.
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The fact that we are even have a conversation about Net Neutrality, Over the Top (OTT) services, Zero-rated, Equal-rated services and coupled with the Internet implication on human rights, freedom of expression, online censorship, child protection means that we have finally 'arrived'. There are NO straight answers nor a one-size-fits-all solution. As Ali says, we just need to define these things from the African perspective rather than wait to cut-and-paste policies from the developed economies. walu. From: Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>; Nanjira Sambuli <nanjira@ihub.co.ke> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Net neutrality 'first world' problem? Nanjira The CS is definitely entitled to his opinion. Like all of us. My concern is of course that his opinion can be construed to be Government Policy. And Net Neutrality cannot be distilled in such a simplistic way. I think it's high time this country and the rest of Africa have a deep conversation about what Net Neutrality means for us. Take for example the issue of KFCB the other day when the CEO announced that they have asked Google to take down the 'offending' video of same sex marriage/love endorsement. I was astounded that the whole discussion degenerated to the issue of homosexuality!! My questions and concerns were quite clear and they alluded to our total lack of policy regarding Net Neutrality. And address in an ICT Forum. KFCB used the right tools to ask for the video take down. The same tools have been used by other governments. With all due respect to the CS but I think he needs to be careful not to simplify this important matter. Let's discuss it fully and come up with our own Net Neutrality version. This definitely doesn't include abdicating our responsibilities as a country to global internet companies. This will be a recipe for disaster. Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 27 Feb 2016, at 8:08 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: This is at least the second piece citing the CS' point of view. It might be in order to write a letter to him explaining why it is not a first world problem. Regards, Nanjira. Sent from my iPhone. On 27 Feb 2016, at 07:44, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: Net neutrality 'first world' problem? (Ali Hussein) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I'm curious-what does the KFCB demand that Google censor content have to do with net neutrality? Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:32 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Nanjira The CS is definitely entitled to his opinion. Like all of us. My concern is of course that his opinion can be construed to be Government Policy. And Net Neutrality cannot be distilled in such a simplistic way. I think it's high time this country and the rest of Africa have a deep conversation about what Net Neutrality means for us. Take for example the issue of KFCB the other day when the CEO announced that they have asked Google to take down the 'offending' video of same sex marriage/love endorsement. I was astounded that the whole discussion degenerated to the issue of homosexuality!! My questions and concerns were quite clear and they alluded to our total lack of policy regarding Net Neutrality. And address in an ICT Forum. KFCB used the right tools to ask for the video take down. The same tools have been used by other governments. With all due respect to the CS but I think he needs to be careful not to simplify this important matter. Let's discuss it fully and come up with our own Net Neutrality version. This definitely doesn't include abdicating our responsibilities as a country to global internet companies. This will be a recipe for disaster. 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Ebele It has to do with the issue of Third Party Liability. Ali Hussein Tel: +254 713 601113 On Feb 27, 2016 10:01 AM, "Ebele Okobi" <ebeleokobi@fb.com> wrote:
I'm curious-what does the KFCB demand that Google censor content have to do with net neutrality?
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On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:32 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Nanjira
The CS is definitely entitled to his opinion. Like all of us. My concern is of course that his opinion can be construed to be Government Policy. And Net Neutrality cannot be distilled in such a simplistic way.
I think it's high time this country and the rest of Africa have a deep conversation about what Net Neutrality means for us.
Take for example the issue of KFCB the other day when the CEO announced that they have asked Google to take down the 'offending' video of same sex marriage/love endorsement.
I was astounded that the whole discussion degenerated to the issue of homosexuality!!
My questions and concerns were quite clear and they alluded to our total lack of policy regarding Net Neutrality. And address in an ICT Forum.
KFCB used the right tools to ask for the video take down. The same tools have been used by other governments.
With all due respect to the CS but I think he needs to be careful not to simplify this important matter. Let's discuss it fully and come up with our own Net Neutrality version. This definitely doesn't include abdicating our responsibilities as a country to global internet companies. This will be a recipe for disaster.
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On 27 Feb 2016, at 8:08 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is at least the second piece citing the CS' point of view. It might be in order to write a letter to him explaining why it is not a first world problem.
Regards, Nanjira.
Sent from my iPhone.
On 27 Feb 2016, at 07:44, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
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What does that have to do with net neutrality? Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Feb 27, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke<mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke>> wrote: Ebele It has to do with the issue of Third Party Liability. Ali Hussein Tel: +254 713 601113 On Feb 27, 2016 10:01 AM, "Ebele Okobi" <ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>> wrote: I'm curious-what does the KFCB demand that Google censor content have to do with net neutrality? Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:32 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Nanjira The CS is definitely entitled to his opinion. Like all of us. My concern is of course that his opinion can be construed to be Government Policy. And Net Neutrality cannot be distilled in such a simplistic way. I think it's high time this country and the rest of Africa have a deep conversation about what Net Neutrality means for us. Take for example the issue of KFCB the other day when the CEO announced that they have asked Google to take down the 'offending' video of same sex marriage/love endorsement. I was astounded that the whole discussion degenerated to the issue of homosexuality!! My questions and concerns were quite clear and they alluded to our total lack of policy regarding Net Neutrality. And address in an ICT Forum. KFCB used the right tools to ask for the video take down. The same tools have been used by other governments. With all due respect to the CS but I think he needs to be careful not to simplify this important matter. Let's discuss it fully and come up with our own Net Neutrality version. This definitely doesn't include abdicating our responsibilities as a country to global internet companies. This will be a recipe for disaster. 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