Gov't threatens to shut media houses announcing election results - Citizentv.co.ke
This doesn't sound right. Two steps forwad one back. Regards On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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The media must act very responsibly. On this one, I will support the CS. Everyone may tally but a media house cannot purport to have the official record. Only IEBC has the mandate. On Jul 29, 2017 4:13 PM, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dorcas You are being disingenuous. No media house in this country has ever purported to carry official results. However media houses can and should announce the results from different polling stations and constituencies. Often times the lack of information is what causes unnecessary pressure and concern. By the way it instructive to note that IEBC will put results on its portal and I understand that they actually provide APIs? I think what you mean to say is that the media should act responsibly? Any Kenyan with a social media account, access to media can tally make their own tallies. I'm curious why this major concern about media houses announcing results? What are we missing here? There is just too much pressure and focus to curb flow of information. This is a democracy. Let us remember that. And our constitution is clear and explicit on access to information. Let us leave KANU tactics where they belong. In the past. Unless of course the CS was misquoted or taken out of context? #JustAsking.. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
Ali, I think you know in 2008 a certain media attempt to be first caused lots of problems. I can assure I would like the CS to act very tough this time. The onus is on the media houses and bloggers to abind responsibly. On Jul 29, 2017 7:22 PM, "Ali Hussein" <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Dorcas That was the beginning of what we now call 'Fake News' depending on which part of the political divide one was standing it. The point remains. You CANNOT threaten news media for carrying genuine news and results. Those who do must of course be prepared for the full force of the law. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
The IEBC have indicated that the results will be on their portal as announced at the constituency tallying centre. What's wrong with a media house picking that and just doing some simple arithmetic? And of course attributing the source of the figures to IEBC, unless there's something sinister somebody is trying on Kenyans. My only hope is that the CS was either misquoted or his words taken out of context, as indicated by Ali. Regards, Davis Onsakia On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 at 8:00 PM Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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@Ali like you I am also curious on this insistence on 'Tally but do not announce'. On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Davis Onsakia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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Hello, On Thursday I attended an observers' briefing at Bomas. It was meant to start at 11 but started at around 11:45. The only Kenyan media house I spotted was Citizen which came in at around 12:45 after the briefing by the commissioners. They only caught the plenary session. I wouldn't be surprised if that is what happened at this function. Concerning the tallying, IEBC stated the media would be streaming the results real-time as it receives them. IEBC is clear that only one announcement will be made on the winner, and it is the only one to make that announcement. I believe this is what they are guarding against, premature announcements. Deborah -----Original Message----- From: "kanini mutemi via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: 29/07/2017 20:35 To: "deborah.wanjugu@gmail.com" <deborah.wanjugu@gmail.com> Cc: "kanini mutemi" <kaninimutemi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Gov't threatens to shut media houses announcingelection results - Citizentv.co.ke @Ali like you I am also curious on this insistence on 'Tally but do not announce'. On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Davis Onsakia via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: The IEBC have indicated that the results will be on their portal as announced at the constituency tallying centre. What's wrong with a media house picking that and just doing some simple arithmetic? And of course attributing the source of the figures to IEBC, unless there's something sinister somebody is trying on Kenyans. My only hope is that the CS was either misquoted or his words taken out of context, as indicated by Ali. Regards, Davis Onsakia On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 at 8:00 PM Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dorcas That was the beginning of what we now call 'Fake News' depending on which part of the political divide one was standing it. The point remains. You CANNOT threaten news media for carrying genuine news and results. Those who do must of course be prepared for the full force of the law. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 29 Jul 2017, at 7:32 PM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ali, I think you know in 2008 a certain media attempt to be first caused lots of problems. I can assure I would like the CS to act very tough this time. The onus is on the media houses and bloggers to abind responsibly. On Jul 29, 2017 7:22 PM, "Ali Hussein" <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Dorcas You are being disingenuous. No media house in this country has ever purported to carry official results. However media houses can and should announce the results from different polling stations and constituencies. Often times the lack of information is what causes unnecessary pressure and concern. By the way it instructive to note that IEBC will put results on its portal and I understand that they actually provide APIs? I think what you mean to say is that the media should act responsibly? Any Kenyan with a social media account, access to media can tally make their own tallies. I'm curious why this major concern about media houses announcing results? What are we missing here? There is just too much pressure and focus to curb flow of information. This is a democracy. Let us remember that. And our constitution is clear and explicit on access to information. Let us leave KANU tactics where they belong. In the past. Unless of course the CS was misquoted or taken out of context? #JustAsking.. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 29 Jul 2017, at 5:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: The media must act very responsibly. On this one, I will support the CS. Everyone may tally but a media house cannot purport to have the official record. Only IEBC has the mandate. On Jul 29, 2017 4:13 PM, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: This doesn't sound right. Two steps forwad one back. 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Results announced at the constituency level are official and final. What's wrong with tallying? The media, including online communities can tally but it is the IEBC's role to declare. This was also echoed during the KIGF by the IEBC rep. On Jul 29, 2017 10:19 PM, "Deborah via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I wonder why so much reference is made to 2007/8 elections yet we had an election under the new constitution in 2013 which was peaceful. All these new guidelines and information controls are raising tensions for nothing. The IEBC is the referee and not the cameraman on the sidelines. They have the final say on who the winner is, not the cameraman. On 29 Jul 2017 23:16, "Liz Orembo via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
What does the Constitution of Kenya say about exercising control on factual information? Article 34: FREEDOM OF MEDIA (1) *Freedom and independence of electronic, print and all other types of media is guaranteed*, but does not extend to any expression specified in Article 33 (2). (2) The State shall *not*-- (a)* exercise control over or interfere with any person engaged in broadcasting, the production or circulation of any publication or the dissemination of information by any medium*; or Article 33: FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION (1) Every person has the right to freedom of expression, which includes-- (a) freedom to seek, receive or impart information or ideas; (b) freedom of artistic creativity; and (c) academic freedom and freedom of scientific research. (2) The right to freedom of expression does not extend to-- (a) propaganda for war; (b) incitement to violence; (c) hate speech; or (d) advocacy of hatred that— (i) constitutes ethnic incitement, vilification of others or incitement to cause harm; or (ii) is based on any ground of discrimination specified or contemplated in Article 27 (4). (3) In the exercise of the right to freedom of expression, every person shall respect the rights and reputation of others. KENYAN SCENARIO: Now with the constitution guiding us, let us go ahead and replicate a scenario at the polling station. 1. The Presiding Officer of polling station W announces the tally recorded in Form34A at the polling station. (The state does not arrest the Presiding Officer) 2. News Agency X picks the announcement, and says "The presiding officer of Polling station Y has announced that candidate A got Y votes, and candidate B got Z votes. (The government goes to close the media house for broadcasting what Presiding Officer of polling station W stated.) ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh On 29 July 2017 at 20:32, kanini mutemi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
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Article 34 is clearly not friendly to our good CS Mucheru and his Government colleagues. What worried me more in the speech in Nyeri was how our good CS mentioned the internet and it being a non-issue of sorts. The only way I could interpret that bit was that the entire internet will go down at some point. Someone please help us get out of this sense of disillusionment. Best On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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So, factual reporting is desired even by law. Enforcement is what we need. We are in the hands of reporters and editors. Once a broadcast goes out, if it was irresponsible or erroneous, damage is already done. Please go on social media right now and silently monitor what bloggers, many of who are current employees of media houses are blogging. Be sure to check the reactions of readers and you will see the need for very strong guidelines on reporting especially this week and also post elections. More protection of ordinary people like me and you from reporting for paymasters aka propaganda or just agenda setting for irresponsible reasons. On Jul 31, 2017 10:58 AM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The media has Election reporting guidelines, that is, the conventional/mainstream media. The social media will still announce results ahead of IEBC whether they like it or not and if they dither.The political party agents will also have the results as declared at polling stations as the law requires. So there is no magic about IEBC declaring results and it should not be the result of fear mongering or basis for gagging the media. Credible results will still be credible, whichever agency informs the public, from the collated IEBC figures. But if IEBC or any agencies of government manipulate the figures, that is where the problem is. On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On 29 Jul 2017 7:58 p.m., "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Those who do must of course be prepared for the full force of the law. By the time they have been brought to book, shit has hit the fan. So a call for responsible reporting I believe within the scope of the administrative state. Noah
Dorcas, you cannot agree with the CS on shutting down the media. The media outlets will pick results as announced by IEBC officials, not their own figures. There is no law prohibiting the media from updating the public on the results or announcing who the winners from the results as they stream in. What is the preserve of the IEBC Chairman is the DECLARATION of the presidential winner and conferring formal/official victory on him/her. We must stop this unnnecessary fear, especially that it is the media announcement which can spark off chaos. Chaos will be sparked off by the failure of the media to inform the public or announce the results and by failure by the IEBC to announce credible results and in a timely manner. On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
My point remains, we must be protected from the media itself. This I will not be afraid to say again and again. Forget making the media look good and innocent. It's normal human beings working in the media and the reality is many are partisan if not compromised. The government must protect us (ordinary Kenyans). I expect the government to go the extra mile especially during this election where stakes have been raised to extreme levels. No responsible media house will be rushing to get punished by a shutdown. Not unless, they are motivated by other reasons beyond sharing information which we shall be getting from IEBC anyway. On Jul 31, 2017 12:53 PM, "William Oloo" <williamjanak@yahoo.com> wrote:
Very solid arguments from all sides.. Stakes are really heightened on this home stretch. Could we instill in ourselves - all and sundry, including those who hold positions of responsibility in whichever capacity a healthy dose of sobriety, objectivity, calmer minds and cooler heads that would prevail and allow the nation navigate this fragile stretch justly and safely.. Harry On Jul 31, 2017 12:53 PM, "William Oloo via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
"Speaking in Nyeri, CS Mucheru warned media houses against announcing any results saying that releasing election results is a constitutional mandate of the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) and that no other body is allowed to make any announcement." Mucheru forgets that during any event of public interest, the only thing that cannot be shared is what is not seen or heard! Results are not the property of anyone, but the public and so the public will share them as announced. Maybe someone needs to ask Mucheru to define what "the public" means. Results will be announced publicly. So why should the media houses carry what is known publicly? Drops mic. On 29 July 2017 at 15:55, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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On Sunday, 30 July 2017, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: that cannot be shared is what is not seen or heard! Results are not the property of anyone, but the public and so the public will share them as announced. Maybe someone needs to ask Mucheru to define what "the public" means. Results will be announced publicly. So why should the media houses carry what is known publicly?
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