Licensing Framework for .ke
Listers Apologies for cross posting. The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above. The gist of the advert is to state:- 1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space. 2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA. 3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA. Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:- 1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties? 2. What is DRAKE's official position on this? 3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:- Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year? I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye? C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily! *Ali Hussein* Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On 27 November 2014 at 10:40, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily!
Thanks Ali. To add to that, laws are never implemented retrogressively. An example is when IP addresses started being controlled by Regional Internet Registries, all legacy companies that had been allocated large blocks of IPv4 addresses (/8) continued to own their /8 prefixes. Xerox, General electric, IBM, At&T, HP, Apple, MIT e.t.c still holding /8 addresses that were allocated prior to formation of Regional Internet Registries. I'm trying to put this debate into perspective, you cannot hurt existing businesses. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya T: twitter.com/lordmwesh "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year?
Yup. CAK must be full of little minds and we will continue to see lack of adoption of the .ke tld unfortunately. -Adam
Many thanks Ali for sharing the information. My view and humble request to the Communications Authority is that there is still need for a structured bottom up stakeholder process of engaging stakeholders on matters of importance such as this. If consumers are happy and educated the numbers will increase. Consumers will only be happy because of an efficient and effective process of procuring domains names which can only be facilitated by registrars since KeNIC is using the registry registrar registrant model. I think the decision to license registrars might be interpreted in many ways and there is need for clarity and a deliberate step to make sure the process does not create a barrier for future registrars, i would be happy to hear the position of DRAKE on this as well. It would also be good to know whether and how the Communications Authority is engaging the local Internet Community on this subject because it is long since i personally saw a public invitation on this mailing list. I look forwad to a response from Rachel or any member of the Communications department. Best Regards On 11/27/14, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross posting.
The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above.
The gist of the advert is to state:-
1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space. 2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA. 3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA.
Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:-
1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties?
2. What is DRAKE's official position on this?
3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:-
Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year?
I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye?
C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily!
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Barrack Thanks. My sense is that this is mainly a communication issue. This needs resolution urgently. The stakeholders can then engage the licensing framework. Regards Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Nov 27, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Many thanks Ali for sharing the information.
My view and humble request to the Communications Authority is that there is still need for a structured bottom up stakeholder process of engaging stakeholders on matters of importance such as this. If consumers are happy and educated the numbers will increase. Consumers will only be happy because of an efficient and effective process of procuring domains names which can only be facilitated by registrars since KeNIC is using the registry registrar registrant model. I think the decision to license registrars might be interpreted in many ways and there is need for clarity and a deliberate step to make sure the process does not create a barrier for future registrars, i would be happy to hear the position of DRAKE on this as well. It would also be good to know whether and how the Communications Authority is engaging the local Internet Community on this subject because it is long since i personally saw a public invitation on this mailing list. I look forwad to a response from Rachel or any member of the Communications department.
Best Regards
On 11/27/14, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers
Apologies for cross posting.
The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above.
The gist of the advert is to state:-
1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space. 2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA. 3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA.
Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:-
1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties?
2. What is DRAKE's official position on this?
3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:-
Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year?
I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye?
C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily!
*Ali Hussein*
Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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1. Why would CA require Registrars to be licensed by it? It's like requiring companies like Scangroup to be licensed by CA so that they can do their business with the Media companies! 2. If CA is to license the Registrars, what will it do with those fees (if the amounts have been decided)? Will the license fees be used to fund KENIC? Are they enough/significant for that purpose? 3. All along I always believed that KENIC is independent of CA. Why would CA then behave as if KENIC is part of it? My thinking here is that someone at CA is overzealous with the job he has been given and has decided to use the "strong man" phenomena to run the show. There is something very wrong with this way of doing things and I do agree with Ali Hussein that it dd not have to be communicated via the media - unless there is a law that stipulates that it should. This was supposed to be an agreement reached in the relevant forum bringing together the stakeholders and the decision communicated by e-mail. This digital govt! On 27 November 2014 at 10:40, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross posting.
The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above.
The gist of the advert is to state:-
1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space. 2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA. 3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA.
Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:-
1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties?
2. What is DRAKE's official position on this?
3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:-
Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year?
I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye?
C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily!
*Ali Hussein*
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This will just make the registrars sell .com n other non local. Not wise in my view. On Nov 27, 2014 10:41 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross posting.
The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above.
The gist of the advert is to state:-
1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space. 2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA. 3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA.
Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:-
1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties?
2. What is DRAKE's official position on this?
3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:-
Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year?
I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye?
C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily!
*Ali Hussein*
Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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I can imagine: 1. .com are way cheaper 2. everyone by default wants a .com 3. Registrars have to always do the convincing to get a client to settle for a .ke suppose registrars boycotted the .KE for 2 months... And CA still doesn't even want to let me have my ODHIAMBO.ke :( On 27 November 2014 at 14:23, Bernard Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This will just make the registrars sell .com n other non local. Not wise in my view. On Nov 27, 2014 10:41 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross posting.
The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above.
The gist of the advert is to state:-
1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space. 2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA. 3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA.
Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:-
1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties?
2. What is DRAKE's official position on this?
3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:-
Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year?
I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye?
C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily!
*Ali Hussein*
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On Thu, 2014-11-27 at 10:40 +0300, Ali Hussein via kictanet wrote:
The gist of the advert is to state:-
1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space. 2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA. 3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA.
In .ZA, in order to use EPP, you need to be Accredited. The majority of this is technical. Proper organisational data is also required. There are no Geographical restrictions on applicants (ie Worldwide). As a result - there are 400 or so Registrars - selling ZA domains around the world. A very light (if any) regulatory policy should be considered for Registrars. Don't scare away the customers. -- Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa mje@posix.co.za Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496 For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: https://ftth.posix.co.za
@Ali, Deja vu! (excuse my french :-) I warned you guys many months ago @ http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/Kenyas-Internet-Domain-Set-for-a-Sha... or @ http://tinyurl.com/l7o5ssl Anyway, here is snapshot of one of the clauses in the Regulations (2010) being applied now and I quote
(2) A person shall not create a new sub - domain under the Kenya country code Top Level Domain without the approval of the >>Commission.
Meaning that If I run the university mmu.ac.ke domain, and need to create a domain from our town branch as in town.mmu.ac.ke I have to run to my good friend the DG, Wangusi to grant me the permission. I am sure he will give me the permission but the bigger question is why should I ask? walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/27/14, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Subject: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2014, 10:40 AM Listers Apologies for cross posting. The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above. The gist of the advert is to state:- 1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space.2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA.3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA. Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:- 1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties? 2. What is DRAKE's official position on this? 3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:- Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year? I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye? C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily! Ali Hussein Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
They will the. Ke space. It's already too hard selling it as Odhiambo has said. On Nov 27, 2014 2:48 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
Deja vu! (excuse my french :-)
I warned you guys many months ago @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/Kenyas-Internet-Domain-Set-for-a-Sha... or @ http://tinyurl.com/l7o5ssl
Anyway, here is snapshot of one of the clauses in the Regulations (2010) being applied now and I quote
(2) A person shall not create a new sub - domain under the Kenya country code Top Level Domain without the approval of the >>Commission.
Meaning that If I run the university mmu.ac.ke domain, and need to create a domain from our town branch as in town.mmu.ac.ke I have to run to my good friend the DG, Wangusi to grant me the permission. I am sure he will give me the permission but the bigger question is why should I ask?
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/27/14, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2014, 10:40 AM
Listers Apologies for cross posting. The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above. The gist of the advert is to state:- 1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space.2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA.3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA.
Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:- 1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties? 2. What is DRAKE's official position on this? 3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:- Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year? I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye? C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily! Ali Hussein
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On 27 November 2014 at 14:47, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
Deja vu! (excuse my french :-)
I warned you guys many months ago @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/Kenyas-Internet-Domain-Set-for-a-Sha... or @ http://tinyurl.com/l7o5ssl
Anyway, here is snapshot of one of the clauses in the Regulations (2010) being applied now and I quote
(2) A person shall not create a new sub - domain under the Kenya country code Top Level Domain without the approval of the >>Commission.
Meaning that If I run the university mmu.ac.ke domain, and need to create a domain from our town branch as in town.mmu.ac.ke I have to run to my good friend the DG, Wangusi to grant me the permission. I am sure he will give me the permission but the bigger question is why should I ask?
Walu, I am 100% sure you have misinterpreted that clause! My understanding of it is that you cannot create something like .TV.ke or .MOBI.ke without the consent of that dragon called CA. The dragon will decide on what gets created besides .or.ke and such like. However, once you have walu.or.ke the dragon has not power (moral authority or whatever) to stop you from creating kanduyi.walu.or.ke unless they also want to come and manage your DNS servers. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler."
All The point of all this is that the law be it as it may be stakeholders must be involved. Having bureaucrats design a framework for licensing a space which is best lightly regulated is akin to shafting it. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Nov 27, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On 27 November 2014 at 14:47, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @Ali,
Deja vu! (excuse my french :-)
I warned you guys many months ago @ http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/Kenyas-Internet-Domain-Set-for-a-Sha... or @ http://tinyurl.com/l7o5ssl
Anyway, here is snapshot of one of the clauses in the Regulations (2010) being applied now and I quote
(2) A person shall not create a new sub - domain under the Kenya country code Top Level Domain without the approval of the >>Commission.
Meaning that If I run the university mmu.ac.ke domain, and need to create a domain from our town branch as in town.mmu.ac.ke I have to run to my good friend the DG, Wangusi to grant me the permission. I am sure he will give me the permission but the bigger question is why should I ask?
Walu,
I am 100% sure you have misinterpreted that clause! My understanding of it is that you cannot create something like .TV.ke or .MOBI.ke without the consent of that dragon called CA. The dragon will decide on what gets created besides .or.ke and such like. However, once you have walu.or.ke the dragon has not power (moral authority or whatever) to stop you from creating kanduyi.walu.or.ke unless they also want to come and manage your DNS servers.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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@Wash, @Mwendwa I totally agree with your explanations. The "intention" and perhaps the spirit of the regulatory clause is to stop at the "first" level sub-domain as you explain. BUT when push comes to shove, nothing stops the legal interpretation to include "subsequent" level subdomains like town.mmu.ac.ke. How deep does the sub-domain clause cover? Perhaps for the avoidance of doubt, the clause could be revised to explicitly sate the "first" level subdomains. The devil lies is in the details. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/27/14, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, November 27, 2014, 3:21 PM On 27 November 2014 at 14:47, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @Ali, Deja vu! (excuse my french :-) I warned you guys many months ago @ http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/Kenyas-Internet-Domain-Set-for-a-Sha... or @ http://tinyurl.com/l7o5ssl Anyway, here is snapshot of one of the clauses in the Regulations (2010) being applied now and I quote
(2) A person shall not create a new sub - domain under the Kenya country code Top Level Domain without the approval of the >>Commission.
Meaning that If I run the university mmu.ac.ke domain, and need to create a domain from our town branch as in town.mmu.ac.ke I have to run to my good friend the DG, Wangusi to grant me the permission. I am sure he will give me the permission but the bigger question is why should I ask? Walu, I am 100% sure you have misinterpreted that clause! My understanding of it is that you cannot create something like .TV.ke or .MOBI.ke without the consent of that dragon called CA. The dragon will decide on what gets created besides .or.ke and such like.However, once you have walu.or.ke the dragon has not power (moral authority or whatever) to stop you from creating kanduyi.walu.or.ke unless they also want to come and manage your DNS servers. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler."
Well, we do know that we will not require CA to authorize how we manage our DNS servers. If that was to be true, it would amount to something else I'd rather not mention now. On 27 November 2014 at 17:03, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Wash, @Mwendwa
I totally agree with your explanations.
The "intention" and perhaps the spirit of the regulatory clause is to stop at the "first" level sub-domain as you explain. BUT when push comes to shove, nothing stops the legal interpretation to include "subsequent" level subdomains like town.mmu.ac.ke.
How deep does the sub-domain clause cover? Perhaps for the avoidance of doubt, the clause could be revised to explicitly sate the "first" level subdomains.
The devil lies is in the details.
walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/27/14, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, November 27, 2014, 3:21 PM
On 27 November 2014 at 14:47, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @Ali,
Deja vu! (excuse my french :-)
I warned you guys many months ago @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/Kenyas-Internet-Domain-Set-for-a-Sha...
or
Anyway, here is snapshot of one of the clauses in the Regulations (2010) being applied now and I quote
(2) A person shall not create a new sub - domain under the Kenya country code Top Level Domain without the approval of the >>Commission.
Meaning that If I run the university mmu.ac.ke domain, and need to create a domain from our town branch as in town.mmu.ac.ke I have to run to my good friend the DG, Wangusi to grant me the permission. I am sure he will give me the permission but the bigger question is why should I ask?
Walu, I am 100% sure you have misinterpreted that clause! My understanding of it is that you cannot create something like .TV.ke or .MOBI.ke without the consent of that dragon called CA. The dragon will decide on what gets created besides .or.ke and such like.However, once you have walu.or.ke the dragon has not power (moral authority or whatever) to stop you from creating kanduyi.walu.or.ke unless they also want to come and manage your DNS servers.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler."
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler."
@Wash, Without attempting to read the mind of the DG, ask yourself why someone would wish to give you a license? SIMPLE ANSWER: So that they can have the authority to deny or revoke it under given conditions :-) Enough said. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/27/14, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, November 27, 2014, 5:16 PM Well, we do know that we will not require CA to authorize how we manage our DNS servers.If that was to be true, it would amount to something else I'd rather not mention now. On 27 November 2014 at 17:03, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Wash, @Mwendwa I totally agree with your explanations. The "intention" and perhaps the spirit of the regulatory clause is to stop at the "first" level sub-domain as you explain. BUT when push comes to shove, nothing stops the legal interpretation to include "subsequent" level subdomains like town.mmu.ac.ke. How deep does the sub-domain clause cover? Perhaps for the avoidance of doubt, the clause could be revised to explicitly sate the "first" level subdomains. The devil lies is in the details. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/27/14, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, November 27, 2014, 3:21 PM On 27 November 2014 at 14:47, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @Ali, Deja vu! (excuse my french :-) I warned you guys many months ago @ http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/Kenyas-Internet-Domain-Set-for-a-Sha... or @ http://tinyurl.com/l7o5ssl Anyway, here is snapshot of one of the clauses in the Regulations (2010) being applied now and I quote >>(2) A person shall not create a new sub - domain under the Kenya country code Top Level Domain without the approval of the >>Commission. Meaning that If I run the university mmu.ac.ke domain, and need to create a domain from our town branch as in town.mmu.ac.ke I have to run to my good friend the DG, Wangusi to grant me the permission. I am sure he will give me the permission but the bigger question is why should I ask? Walu, I am 100% sure you have misinterpreted that clause! My understanding of it is that you cannot create something like .TV.ke or .MOBI.ke without the consent of that dragon called CA. The dragon will decide on what gets created besides .or.ke and such like.However, once you have walu.or.ke the dragon has not power (moral authority or whatever) to stop you from creating kanduyi.walu.or.ke unless they also want to come and manage your DNS servers. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler."
On 27 November 2014 at 14:47, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Anyway, here is snapshot of one of the clauses in the Regulations (2010) being applied now and I quote
(2) A person shall not create a new sub - domain under the Kenya country code Top Level Domain without the approval of the >>Commission.
Meaning that If I run the university mmu.ac.ke domain, and need to create a domain from our town branch as in town.mmu.ac.ke I have to run to my good friend the DG, Wangusi to grant me the permission. I am sure he will give me the permission but the bigger question is why should I ask?
Walu, I can un-authoritatively confirm here that the DG has been misquoted. The domain is .ke and the subdomain is nrb.ke, co.ke, ac.ke, county.ke. This is what should not be created without DG's permission. Although that is not the norm since ccTLD policy the world over is created through community PDP. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya L: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lordmwesh B: http://lord.me.ke/ T: twitter.com/lordmwesh "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
To CA, KENIC, DRAKE and other stakeholders I'm really curious that something as important as this has gone unanswered by you. What are we to make of this? Can you please give us direction. Regards Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Nov 27, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross posting.
The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above.
The gist of the advert is to state:-
1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space. 2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA. 3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA.
Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:-
1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties?
2. What is DRAKE's official position on this?
3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:-
Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year?
I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye?
C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily!
Ali Hussein
Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. <CA.Public Notice on .KE and Licensing of .ke Registrars.pdf>
@Ali, I sometimes fear that stakeholder engagement may no longer include digital platforms (KICTAnet, ISOC, Blogs, Twitter, etc - unless it is top-down). The "cheese" seems to have moved. We just need to find out Who Moved My Cheese? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and where it went :-) | | | | | | | | | | | Who Moved My Cheese? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaWho Moved My Cheese? An Amazing Way to Deal with Change in Your Work and in Your Life, published on September 8, 1998, is a motivational tale by Spencer Johnson wri... | | | | View on en.wikipedia.org | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | walu. From: Ali Hussein via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; "ISOC@lists.my.co.ke" <ISOC@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [isoc_ke] Licensing Framework for .ke - This is a reminder to get some response from CA, KENIC, DRAKE To CA, KENIC, DRAKE and other stakeholders I'm really curious that something as important as this has gone unanswered by you. What are we to make of this? Can you please give us direction. Regards Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Nov 27, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Listers Apologies for cross posting. The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above. The gist of the advert is to state:- 1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space.2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA.3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA. Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:- 1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties? 2. What is DRAKE's official position on this? 3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:- Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year? I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye? C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily! AliHussein Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. <CA.Public Notice on .KE and Licensing of .ke Registrars.pdf> _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
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