Walu/Alex, I the issue is not with CCK. They contracted local providers to provide services here are the results .... I think the regulator did the right thing. dhcp-172-28-170-118:~ mucheru$ host cck.go.ke cck.go.ke has address 195.202.66.52 cck.go.ke mail is handled by 10 smtpgate.cck.go.ke. cck.go.ke mail is handled by 20 mx1.uunet.co.ke. cck.go.ke mail is handled by 30 mx2.uunet.co.ke. ...... dhcp-172-28-170-118:~ mucheru$ host www.cck.go.ke www.cck.go.ke is an alias for meru1.africaonline.co.ke. meru1.africaonline.co.ke has address 216.251.32.98 ...... dhcp-172-28-170-118:~ mucheru$ traceroute www.cck.go.ke traceroute to meru1.africaonline.co.ke (216.251.32.98), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 loncoresw1-v250 (172.28.171.253) 1.504 ms 1.117 ms 1.436 ms 2 lonvpn (172.28.71.65) 1.314 ms 1.392 ms 1.326 ms 3 194.110.194.12 (194.110.194.12) 1.653 ms 1.606 ms 1.584 ms 4 pr01-ge-3-3-0.lhr01.net.google.com (72.14.238.93) 34.801 ms 2.028 ms 1.874 ms 5 72.14.198.38 (72.14.198.38) 2.235 ms 1.848 ms 1.813 ms 6 t1-1.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.2.26) 2.018 ms 1.838 ms 2.784 ms 7 t3-2.mpd01.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.0.185) 75.256 ms 75.416 ms * 8 g2-0-0.core01.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.2.213) 75.192 ms 75.581 ms 75.234 ms 9 p5-0.core01.alb02.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.110) 78.472 ms 78.730 ms 78.886 ms 10 p14-0.core01.yyz01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.218) 97.846 ms 97.975 ms 98.482 ms 11 v3490.mpd01.yyz01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.74) 97.922 ms 97.932 ms 97.889 ms 12 v3492.mpd01.yyz02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.82) 99.237 ms 236.417 ms 179.278 ms 13 * * * 14 *^C ........ dhcp-172-28-170-118:~ mucheru$ traceroute mail.cck.go.ke traceroute to mail.cck.go.ke (195.202.66.52), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 loncoresw1-v250 (172.28.171.253) 1.474 ms 1.201 ms 1.196 ms 2 lonvpn (172.28.71.65) 1.314 ms 1.243 ms 1.244 ms 3 194.110.194.12 (194.110.194.12) 1.638 ms 1.533 ms 1.588 ms 4 pr01-ge-3-3-0.lhr01.net.google.com (72.14.238.93) 1.815 ms 1.779 ms 2.034 ms 5 bb01-ae0.lhr02.net.google.com (72.14.238.255) 2.129 ms 2.046 ms 1.865 ms 6 195.50.118.209 (195.50.118.209) 2.427 ms 2.007 ms 1.946 ms 7 ae-25-52.car5.london1.level3.net (4.68.116.51) 2.277 ms ae-15-51.car5.london1.level3.net (4.68.116.19) 2.225 ms ae-25-52.car5.london1.level3.net (4.68.116.51) 2.154 ms 8 195.50.116.30 (195.50.116.30) 2.207 ms 2.418 ms 2.267 ms 9 fus-rt001.so-2-0-0.0.globalconnex.net (80.255.35.170) 18.224 ms 18.353 ms 18.280 ms 10 fus-rt018.vlan-3.globalconnex.net (80.255.48.18) 18.185 ms 18.848 ms 18.191 ms 11 fus-verizon-gw.globalconnex.net (80.255.42.154) 18.284 ms 18.383 ms 18.197 ms 12 fe-3-1.gw1.fuc1.uunet.co.ke (217.199.150.145) 25.365 ms 18.375 ms 18.610 ms 13 fe-0-0.cr1.nbo1.uunet.co.ke (195.202.69.62) 555.176 ms 573.279 ms 555.857 ms 14 ge-0-3.bb1.nb01.uunet.co.ke (195.202.64.19) 560.372 ms 585.759 ms 561.936 ms 15 * * * 16 *^C Am doing the trace from London and the traces never complete :-)

John Walubengo wrote:

...

Michuki can correct us if we are wrong...but my understanding is that ALL .KE (i.e. including ccc.go.KE) would sit in the kenyan domain or name space...

This is the case, hence the domain name resolution process for any domain name in the .ke, .com and .net is done locally at the KIXP.

...

So I am thinking Yawes Traceroute interpratation is wrong.

Yawes traceroute is right, the website is actually hosted on a server sitting in the US (not the UK as per the IP resource allocation). And the interesting part is that the server bears a hostname .ke meaning that its a local organization that has provided the solution/package.

...

Probably, he would have said that from where he is sitting (assuming his desktop in Kenya) his traffic had to go out of the country and then back in, before it landed on the CCK website. Which is very possible depending on how his ISP has routed his traffic _ particularly if the ISP is not connected through our KIXP (Kenya Internet exchange point).

That is usually the scenario when one is not peering at the KIXP. But in this case, the hosting is actually being done in a data center in the US.

...

So I am willing to bet my pension that ccc.go.ke is on kenyan soil.

I think you just lost your pension Walu :) ... but maybe we can invest it in a collocation/data center facility and make you the CEO :)

On serious note there is a dire critical need for cheap colo in this region.

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Walu/Alex,

I the issue is not with CCK. They contracted local providers to provide services here are the results .... I think the regulator did the right thing.

And its worth noting that CCK is not the only victim, i could point to quite a number of other sites that face similar predicaments which boils down to cost of hosting. For there to be a shift in preference there are two things that need to happen 1) Affordable collocation/data center facilities need to be built ASAP. 2) International fiber. There are good 'signs' on point 2, however more could be done on point 1. After all land along Mombasa road is still within reach of most. Walu - your pension may tripple as a result :) Regards, -- Michuki Mwangi KENIC

HI Alex, You may not be aware, but Google is setting up shop and we already provide free hosting services for anyone with a domain. This means not only can you get a free website hosted, but that you can also add mail for all users, branded under your domain etc .... Many people in Kenya are already using the service. We intend to peer at the KIXP this means the quality of service will be great. Try it out and see Http://www.google.com/a or http://www.google.co.ke/a - even better here you will see the wealth of services we provide. Sorry to shamelessly plug Google here - The service is free so maybe am allowed. Sorry guys Joe Mucheru On 7/5/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:

Nothing frustrates small business than "simple" websites design and hosting services. Turning to ISPs they are told hosting are "valueadd services" only offer "bundled" with other products. Many thus never go online.

Who is interested in partnering on "community servers"? If we get a sufficient number we could approach e.g. WB TCIP/RCIP, etc. give business case maybe get a share of those ears-boggling billions flying about in the media to setup server warehouse. Michuki Mwangi shareholder No. 2, Walu 3?

Could write a tight business case,other takers?(Before moderator *bans* me for starting a local,non-Barb hosting business online...). Unless we sort this out, looks like they may never.

--- Michuki Mwangi <michuki@kenic.or.ke> wrote:

...

...

Walu/Alex,

I the issue is not with CCK. They contracted local

mucheru@wananchi.com wrote: providers to provide

...

services here are the results .... I think the regulator did the right thing.

And its worth noting that CCK is not the only victim, i could point to quite a number of other sites that face similar predicaments which boils down to cost of hosting.

For there to be a shift in preference there are two things that need to happen

1) Affordable collocation/data center facilities need to be built ASAP. 2) International fiber.

There are good 'signs' on point 2, however more could be done on point 1. After all land along Mombasa road is still within reach of most.

Walu - your pension may tripple as a result :)

Regards,

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Michuki et al, I think my pension is safe...review the url closely, it looks like i was talking about ccc.go.ke rather than ccK.go.ke. Phew! walu. nb: MoU re-enacted? Otherwise I agree if that is the cck position, then it needs to be reviewed so that they lead by example.

So I am willing to bet my pension that ccc.go.ke is on kenyan soil.

I think you just lost your pension Walu :) ... but maybe we can invest it in a collocation/data center facility and make you the CEO :)

--- Michuki Mwangi <michuki@kenic.or.ke> wrote:

John Walubengo wrote:

...

Michuki can correct us if we are wrong...but my understanding is that ALL .KE (i.e. including ccc.go.KE) would sit in the kenyan domain or name space...

This is the case, hence the domain name resolution process for any domain name in the .ke, .com and .net is done locally at the KIXP.

...

So I am thinking Yawes Traceroute interpratation is wrong.

Yawes traceroute is right, the website is actually hosted on a server sitting in the US (not the UK as per the IP resource allocation). And the interesting part is that the server bears a hostname .ke meaning that its a local organization that has provided the solution/package.

...

Probably, he would have said that from where he is sitting (assuming his desktop in Kenya) his traffic had to go out of the country and then back in, before it landed on the CCK website. Which is very possible depending on how his ISP has routed his traffic _ particularly if the ISP is not connected through our KIXP (Kenya Internet exchange point).

That is usually the scenario when one is not peering at the KIXP. But in this case, the hosting is actually being done in a data center in the US.

...

So I am willing to bet my pension that ccc.go.ke is on kenyan soil.

I think you just lost your pension Walu :) ... but maybe we can invest it in a collocation/data center facility and make you the CEO :)

On serious note there is a dire critical need for cheap colo in this region.

-- Michuki Mwangi KENIC

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Victor, lets discuss my pension when am closer to 50...but it looks like u didnt get my earlier rejoinder on the same, of which I now copy below. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~begins~~~~~ Michuki et al, I think my pension is safe...review the url closely, it looks like i was talking about ccc.go.ke rather than ccK.go.ke. Phew! walu. nb: MoU re-enacted? Otherwise I agree if that is the cck position, then it needs to be reviewed so that they lead by example.

So I am willing to bet my pension that ccc.go.ke is on kenyan soil.

I think you just lost your pension Walu :) ... but maybe we can invest it in a collocation/data center facility and make you the CEO :)

--- vkyalo <vkyalo@kenet.or.ke> wrote:

Walu, though you bet your pension is there any?

Victor

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On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:28 AM To: vkyalo@kenet.or.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-internetusers@bdix.net Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK (NOT) Preaching Wine & Drinking Water

John Walubengo wrote:

...

Michuki can correct us if we are wrong...but my understanding is that ALL .KE (i.e. including ccc.go.KE) would sit in the kenyan domain or name space...

This is the case, hence the domain name resolution process for any domain name in the .ke, .com and .net is done locally at the KIXP.

...

So I am thinking Yawes Traceroute interpratation is wrong.

Yawes traceroute is right, the website is actually hosted on a server sitting in the US (not the UK as per the IP resource allocation). And the interesting part is that the server bears a hostname .ke meaning that its a local organization that has provided the solution/package.

...

Probably, he would have said that from where he is sitting (assuming his desktop in Kenya) his traffic had to go out of the country and then back in, before it landed on the CCK website. Which is very possible depending on how his ISP has routed his traffic _ particularly if the ISP is not connected through our KIXP (Kenya Internet exchange point).

That is usually the scenario when one is not peering at the KIXP. But in this case, the hosting is actually being done in a data center in the US.

...

So I am willing to bet my pension that ccc.go.ke is on kenyan soil.

I think you just lost your pension Walu :) ... but maybe we can invest it in a collocation/data center facility and make you the CEO :)

On serious note there is a dire critical need for cheap colo in this region.

-- Michuki Mwangi KENIC

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