WhatsApp to Move Ahead with its Privacy Updates
Dear listers, Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions: 1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data? 2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far? Lets continue the conversation! Warmly Mwara
Hi Mwara, 1.I believe WhatsApp/Facebook has been pretty transparent about the Data they will be collecting as seen, so what exactly are we collating? 2. Personally I called their bluff on the February deletion and shall continue to do the same. I will not be accepting the new terms regardless of my location at the time their policy comes into force. Warm Regards, Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Master's Student Tel: +4917671687803 Email: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Herzliche Grüße, Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Masterstudent Tel.: +4917671687803 E-Mail: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Göttingen Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 05:40:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
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Wathangi I am with you on this one my biggest concern is that whatapp’s parent company is FB which hasn’t had the best track record when it comes to security assurance and privacy practices and so a lack of trust has built up overtime with us as their users. So what are our options? 1. Proceed with the app and hope by some miracle our DP Act protects us in enforcement and implementation 2. Switch to other messaging apps that are not run by big tech companies who are under scrutiny for data collection On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:02 AM, Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Mwara,
1.I believe WhatsApp/Facebook has been pretty transparent about the Data they will be collecting as seen, so what exactly are we collating?
2. Personally I called their bluff on the February deletion and shall continue to do the same. I will not be accepting the new terms regardless of my location at the time their policy comes into force.
Warm Regards,
Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Master's Student Tel: +4917671687803 Email: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+Goettingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Herzliche Grüße, Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Masterstudent Tel.: +4917671687803 E-Mail: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Göttingen <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+G%C3%B6ttingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 05:40:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
Warmly Mwara
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I am not sure how they will be able to justify this move legally in Kenya due to the DPA. They won't be able to prove that the consent from users in Kenya was freely given. They therefore expose themselves to litigation as well as regulatory action by the data commissioner. This will be the case in every other country that has enacted data protection laws substantially similar to the GDPR. Best regards Joe On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:00 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wathangi I am with you on this one my biggest concern is that whatapp’s parent company is FB which hasn’t had the best track record when it comes to security assurance and privacy practices and so a lack of trust has built up overtime with us as their users.
So what are our options?
1. Proceed with the app and hope by some miracle our DP Act protects us in enforcement and implementation 2. Switch to other messaging apps that are not run by big tech companies who are under scrutiny for data collection
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:02 AM, Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Mwara,
1.I believe WhatsApp/Facebook has been pretty transparent about the Data they will be collecting as seen, so what exactly are we collating?
2. Personally I called their bluff on the February deletion and shall continue to do the same. I will not be accepting the new terms regardless of my location at the time their policy comes into force.
Warm Regards,
Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Master's Student Tel: +4917671687803 Email: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+Goettingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Herzliche Grüße, Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Masterstudent Tel.: +4917671687803 E-Mail: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Göttingen <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+G%C3%B6ttingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 05:40:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
Warmly Mwara
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I think the will probably use another legal base like legitimate interest of the controller. I would actually be happy to see some litigation on this to get things moving. Warm Regards, Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Master's Student Tel: +4917671687803 Email: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Herzliche Grüße, Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Masterstudent Tel.: +4917671687803 E-Mail: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Göttingen Joseph Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 10:19:
I am not sure how they will be able to justify this move legally in Kenya due to the DPA. They won't be able to prove that the consent from users in Kenya was freely given. They therefore expose themselves to litigation as well as regulatory action by the data commissioner. This will be the case in every other country that has enacted data protection laws substantially similar to the GDPR.
Best regards Joe
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:00 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wathangi I am with you on this one my biggest concern is that whatapp’s parent company is FB which hasn’t had the best track record when it comes to security assurance and privacy practices and so a lack of trust has built up overtime with us as their users.
So what are our options?
1. Proceed with the app and hope by some miracle our DP Act protects us in enforcement and implementation 2. Switch to other messaging apps that are not run by big tech companies who are under scrutiny for data collection
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:02 AM, Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Mwara,
1.I believe WhatsApp/Facebook has been pretty transparent about the Data they will be collecting as seen, so what exactly are we collating?
2. Personally I called their bluff on the February deletion and shall continue to do the same. I will not be accepting the new terms regardless of my location at the time their policy comes into force.
Warm Regards,
Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Master's Student Tel: +4917671687803 Email: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+Goettingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Herzliche Grüße, Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Masterstudent Tel.: +4917671687803 E-Mail: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Göttingen <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+G%C3%B6ttingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 05:40:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
Warmly Mwara
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I am not sure legitimate interest would stack up especially because they have to prove that it was necessary. This is a situation of "wanting to have" rather than "needing to have" our WhatsApp info for FB's business purposes. They know they can't satisfy that threshold in the EU and that is why they are not pushing the revised terms in that market. On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:22 Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I think the will probably use another legal base like legitimate interest of the controller. I would actually be happy to see some litigation on this to get things moving.
Warm Regards,
Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Master's Student Tel: +4917671687803 Email: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen
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Joseph Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 10:19:
I am not sure how they will be able to justify this move legally in Kenya due to the DPA. They won't be able to prove that the consent from users in Kenya was freely given. They therefore expose themselves to litigation as well as regulatory action by the data commissioner. This will be the case in every other country that has enacted data protection laws substantially similar to the GDPR.
Best regards Joe
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:00 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wathangi I am with you on this one my biggest concern is that whatapp’s parent company is FB which hasn’t had the best track record when it comes to security assurance and privacy practices and so a lack of trust has built up overtime with us as their users.
So what are our options?
1. Proceed with the app and hope by some miracle our DP Act protects us in enforcement and implementation 2. Switch to other messaging apps that are not run by big tech companies who are under scrutiny for data collection
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:02 AM, Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Mwara,
1.I believe WhatsApp/Facebook has been pretty transparent about the Data they will be collecting as seen, so what exactly are we collating?
2. Personally I called their bluff on the February deletion and shall continue to do the same. I will not be accepting the new terms regardless of my location at the time their policy comes into force.
Warm Regards,
Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Master's Student Tel: +4917671687803 Email: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+Goettingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Herzliche Grüße, Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Masterstudent Tel.: +4917671687803 E-Mail: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Göttingen <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+G%C3%B6ttingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 05:40:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
Warmly Mwara
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This is will be interesting to see unfold, Joseph and Wathagi as Tevin has shared on the list the DP office website is officially up and running, this opens up a chance for litigation maybe? * Or is this a case of me putting the cart before the horse! But also to go back to the initial question we asked 1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data? I am curious is that its the big tech-companies in this case FB that we are terrified accruing our data because in many ways we already have surrendered (unwillingly) our data in some apps if not all Warmly Mwara On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 1:20 PM, Joseph Githaiga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am not sure legitimate interest would stack up especially because they have to prove that it was necessary. This is a situation of "wanting to have" rather than "needing to have" our WhatsApp info for FB's business purposes. They know they can't satisfy that threshold in the EU and that is why they are not pushing the revised terms in that market.
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:22 Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I think the will probably use another legal base like legitimate interest of the controller. I would actually be happy to see some litigation on this to get things moving.
Warm Regards,
Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Master's Student Tel: +4917671687803 Email: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+Goettingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
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Joseph Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 10:19:
I am not sure how they will be able to justify this move legally in Kenya due to the DPA. They won't be able to prove that the consent from users in Kenya was freely given. They therefore expose themselves to litigation as well as regulatory action by the data commissioner. This will be the case in every other country that has enacted data protection laws substantially similar to the GDPR.
Best regards Joe
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:00 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wathangi I am with you on this one my biggest concern is that whatapp’s parent company is FB which hasn’t had the best track record when it comes to security assurance and privacy practices and so a lack of trust has built up overtime with us as their users.
So what are our options?
1. Proceed with the app and hope by some miracle our DP Act protects us in enforcement and implementation 2. Switch to other messaging apps that are not run by big tech companies who are under scrutiny for data collection
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:02 AM, Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Mwara,
1.I believe WhatsApp/Facebook has been pretty transparent about the Data they will be collecting as seen, so what exactly are we collating?
2. Personally I called their bluff on the February deletion and shall continue to do the same. I will not be accepting the new terms regardless of my location at the time their policy comes into force.
Warm Regards,
Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Master's Student Tel: +4917671687803 Email: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+Goettingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
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Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 05:40:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
Warmly Mwara
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Hello Mwara, WhatsApp’s clarification of the privacy policy didn’t inspire confidence despite the promise to maintain the E2EE because the Information collection across the board for both users and businesses on WhatsApp to be shared with Facebook and third party providers contains a lot of personal data. What’s left is to consent and continue using the App or move to other platforms. I choose the latter. Its privacy policy <https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/updates/privacy-policy> clearly states that information collection happens across the board and not just for users interacting with businesses on WhatsApp. On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 14:52, Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is will be interesting to see unfold, Joseph and Wathagi as Tevin has shared on the list the DP office website is officially up and running, this opens up a chance for litigation maybe? * Or is this a case of me putting the cart before the horse!
But also to go back to the initial question we asked
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
I am curious is that its the big tech-companies in this case FB that we are terrified accruing our data because in many ways we already have surrendered (unwillingly) our data in some apps if not all
Warmly Mwara
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 1:20 PM, Joseph Githaiga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I am not sure legitimate interest would stack up especially because they have to prove that it was necessary. This is a situation of "wanting to have" rather than "needing to have" our WhatsApp info for FB's business purposes. They know they can't satisfy that threshold in the EU and that is why they are not pushing the revised terms in that market.
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:22 Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I think the will probably use another legal base like legitimate interest of the controller. I would actually be happy to see some litigation on this to get things moving.
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Joseph Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 10:19:
I am not sure how they will be able to justify this move legally in Kenya due to the DPA. They won't be able to prove that the consent from users in Kenya was freely given. They therefore expose themselves to litigation as well as regulatory action by the data commissioner. This will be the case in every other country that has enacted data protection laws substantially similar to the GDPR.
Best regards Joe
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:00 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wathangi I am with you on this one my biggest concern is that whatapp’s parent company is FB which hasn’t had the best track record when it comes to security assurance and privacy practices and so a lack of trust has built up overtime with us as their users.
So what are our options?
1. Proceed with the app and hope by some miracle our DP Act protects us in enforcement and implementation 2. Switch to other messaging apps that are not run by big tech companies who are under scrutiny for data collection
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:02 AM, Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Mwara,
1.I believe WhatsApp/Facebook has been pretty transparent about the Data they will be collecting as seen, so what exactly are we collating?
2. Personally I called their bluff on the February deletion and shall continue to do the same. I will not be accepting the new terms regardless of my location at the time their policy comes into force.
Warm Regards,
Joy Wathagi Ndungu LIPIT- Master's Student Tel: +4917671687803 Email: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+Goettingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
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Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 05:40:
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Greetings listers! As promised KICTANet in partnership with FB will hold a webinar *Tuesday on March 2nd, from 11am to 12.30* noon. The FB team will respond to questions that were raised earlier on this list, and new ones that may arise as a result of these new updates. Please find link below to register for the webinar Talk2Facebook <https://zoom.us/meeting/register/tJEsd-2gqzsrE9L3PThhJjvcVlslSX5DKLsP> Warmly Mwara On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:38 AM Mwara Gichanga <mwaragichanga@kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
Warmly Mwara
Hi Mwara, Many thanks for leading todays discussion, how does Whatsapp plan to ensure that it complies with local Data Protection Laws with respect to Data Minimization? I am also keen to know which measures will be taken to ensure that the data collected is accurate for those who may need the data for business purposes. Regards On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 7:38 am Mwara Gichanga via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
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Dear Mwara, These are pertinent questions you have raised here, and the discussion is really interesting. On question one, I think Facebook is not your ordinary platform to compare with other platforms such as bibles and picture filtering apps. I therefore care much more about the privacy of my data because it's a piece to a bigger global puzzle. For me whatsapp is a platform where many aspects of my life connects, my family, chama, landlord alerts, Mpesa is now sending statements to whatsapp. I would not want to imagine that I would want any of this used for business purposes, especially when right to opt out is denied. I think this is also an opportunity to scale homegrown solutions and platforms because soon enough when we all move to platform B, they would pull the same strings on us! Seems we must buy our own lunch! I am still hanging on to the old terms waiting to be axed :) Ni hayo tu kwa sasa! Keith On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:39 AM Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
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Hi all, Apologies if I go a bit off track here as i just recently joined this conversation, but i wanted to share a personal experience i’m still puzzling over, A couple of weeks ago, i suddenly lost all my contact information (names of contacts i’d been communicating with for years were no longer showing up when receiving calls, and i couldn’t find contacts when doing a search. But what its most strange is that at exactly the same time, I started getting notifications from WhatsApp with guidelines for retrieving lost contacts. Does this mean i signed on to something i wasn’t even aware of? And if so, why would they mess up with saved information for contacts that aren’t even on my WhatApp lists? This is really frightening to me as a lay person. Any explanations? Thanks, Wangu
On 24 Feb 2021, at 20:18, Keith Andere via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Mwara,
These are pertinent questions you have raised here, and the discussion is really interesting.
On question one, I think Facebook is not your ordinary platform to compare with other platforms such as bibles and picture filtering apps. I therefore care much more about the privacy of my data because it's a piece to a bigger global puzzle. For me whatsapp is a platform where many aspects of my life connects, my family, chama, landlord alerts, Mpesa is now sending statements to whatsapp. I would not want to imagine that I would want any of this used for business purposes, especially when right to opt out is denied.
I think this is also an opportunity to scale homegrown solutions and platforms because soon enough when we all move to platform B, they would pull the same strings on us! Seems we must buy our own lunch! I am still hanging on to the old terms waiting to be axed :)
Ni hayo tu kwa sasa! Keith
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:39 AM Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
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Thank you all for your contributions, it should very exciting to engage FB on the webinar next week on Tuesday on these important issues and questions you have all raised The discussion continues! On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:57 PM, Wangu Mwangi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, Apologies if I go a bit off track here as i just recently joined this conversation, but i wanted to share a personal experience i’m still puzzling over,
A couple of weeks ago, i suddenly lost all my contact information (names of contacts i’d been communicating with for years were no longer showing up when receiving calls, and i couldn’t find contacts when doing a search. But what its most strange is that at exactly the same time, I started getting notifications from WhatsApp with guidelines for retrieving lost contacts.
Does this mean i signed on to something i wasn’t even aware of? And if so, why would they mess up with saved information for contacts that aren’t even on my WhatApp lists? This is really frightening to me as a lay person. Any explanations?
Thanks,
Wangu
On 24 Feb 2021, at 20:18, Keith Andere via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Mwara,
These are pertinent questions you have raised here, and the discussion is really interesting.
On question one, I think Facebook is not your ordinary platform to compare with other platforms such as bibles and picture filtering apps. I therefore care much more about the privacy of my data because it's a piece to a bigger global puzzle. For me whatsapp is a platform where many aspects of my life connects, my family, chama, landlord alerts, Mpesa is now sending statements to whatsapp. I would not want to imagine that I would want any of this used for business purposes, especially when right to opt out is denied.
I think this is also an opportunity to scale homegrown solutions and platforms because soon enough when we all move to platform B, they would pull the same strings on us! Seems we must buy our own lunch! I am still hanging on to the old terms waiting to be axed :)
Ni hayo tu kwa sasa! Keith
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:39 AM Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
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@barrack, it would be interesting to hear how the principle of Data minimization applies when the specified purpose is advertising. Where's our data protection guru @walu? On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 08:39 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thank you all for your contributions, it should very exciting to engage FB on the webinar next week on Tuesday on these important issues and questions you have all raised
The discussion continues!
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:57 PM, Wangu Mwangi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, Apologies if I go a bit off track here as i just recently joined this conversation, but i wanted to share a personal experience i’m still puzzling over,
A couple of weeks ago, i suddenly lost all my contact information (names of contacts i’d been communicating with for years were no longer showing up when receiving calls, and i couldn’t find contacts when doing a search. But what its most strange is that at exactly the same time, I started getting notifications from WhatsApp with guidelines for retrieving lost contacts.
Does this mean i signed on to something i wasn’t even aware of? And if so, why would they mess up with saved information for contacts that aren’t even on my WhatApp lists? This is really frightening to me as a lay person. Any explanations?
Thanks,
Wangu
On 24 Feb 2021, at 20:18, Keith Andere via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Mwara,
These are pertinent questions you have raised here, and the discussion is really interesting.
On question one, I think Facebook is not your ordinary platform to compare with other platforms such as bibles and picture filtering apps. I therefore care much more about the privacy of my data because it's a piece to a bigger global puzzle. For me whatsapp is a platform where many aspects of my life connects, my family, chama, landlord alerts, Mpesa is now sending statements to whatsapp. I would not want to imagine that I would want any of this used for business purposes, especially when right to opt out is denied.
I think this is also an opportunity to scale homegrown solutions and platforms because soon enough when we all move to platform B, they would pull the same strings on us! Seems we must buy our own lunch! I am still hanging on to the old terms waiting to be axed :)
Ni hayo tu kwa sasa! Keith
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:39 AM Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
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Hi Team, Perhaps to further guide our discussion is this twitter thread by Will Cathcart the Whatsapp CEO https://twitter.com/wcathcart/status/1347660768225841152 where he stated that the new changes that are coming in would not change how Whatsapp shared Data with Facebook group of companies. The new changes were to update business communication as currently about 175 million people interact with a Whatsapp business account everyday. Furthermore, he states that end to end encryption will still remain and the changes do not apply when you interact with non-business accounts. I think what has happened is that Whatsapp while in the process of updating its terms for business accounts interaction either knowingly or unknowingly ended up showing us or making it easier for us to finally understand and know the Data it shares with Facebook group of companies. In addition, it also showed us the power of having strong data regulations as this policy will not apply to Europe. Perhaps we can also look at India as it provides a good case study of how we can go about this issue. Currently the Supreme Court of India has asked the Centre and WhatsApp to reply to a fresh plea alleging lower standards of privacy for Indians in comparison to European users. The court stated, "it is the duty of the judiciary to protect citizens' privacy. This would be an interesting case to follow. https://yourstory.com/2021/02/supreme-court-whatsapp-facebook-privacy-policy... Lastly, it is high time Africa as seen from the EU example start working as one when it comes to Data Legislation and Policy matters. We already have a very good convention that is the African Union Convention on Cybersecurity and Data Protection. Sadly only 19 countries have ratified it since it was published in 2014. With the passing of AFCTA I think this convention and subsequent Data policies may play a bigger role than initially thought as the saying goes Umoja ni Nguvu. Other Reads: 1. https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/security-and-privacy/answering-your-questio... Whatsapp Expaliner on the privacy policy 2. https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/12/22226792/whatsapp-privacy-policy-response... The verge article on the same. 3. https://restofworld.org/2021/whatsapp-risks-losing-its-loyal-customers/ Rest of the world article on the effects the changes had in India why they risk losing thier most loyal base the uncles, aunts and grandparents 4. https://researchictafrica.net/2021/01/26/the-great-whatsapp-migration-delvin... A South African view Thank you Kind Regards Tevin Mwenda Gitonga On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:39 AM Liz Orembo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@barrack, it would be interesting to hear how the principle of Data minimization applies when the specified purpose is advertising.
Where's our data protection guru @walu?
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 08:39 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thank you all for your contributions, it should very exciting to engage FB on the webinar next week on Tuesday on these important issues and questions you have all raised
The discussion continues!
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:57 PM, Wangu Mwangi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, Apologies if I go a bit off track here as i just recently joined this conversation, but i wanted to share a personal experience i’m still puzzling over,
A couple of weeks ago, i suddenly lost all my contact information (names of contacts i’d been communicating with for years were no longer showing up when receiving calls, and i couldn’t find contacts when doing a search. But what its most strange is that at exactly the same time, I started getting notifications from WhatsApp with guidelines for retrieving lost contacts.
Does this mean i signed on to something i wasn’t even aware of? And if so, why would they mess up with saved information for contacts that aren’t even on my WhatApp lists? This is really frightening to me as a lay person. Any explanations?
Thanks,
Wangu
On 24 Feb 2021, at 20:18, Keith Andere via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Mwara,
These are pertinent questions you have raised here, and the discussion is really interesting.
On question one, I think Facebook is not your ordinary platform to compare with other platforms such as bibles and picture filtering apps. I therefore care much more about the privacy of my data because it's a piece to a bigger global puzzle. For me whatsapp is a platform where many aspects of my life connects, my family, chama, landlord alerts, Mpesa is now sending statements to whatsapp. I would not want to imagine that I would want any of this used for business purposes, especially when right to opt out is denied.
I think this is also an opportunity to scale homegrown solutions and platforms because soon enough when we all move to platform B, they would pull the same strings on us! Seems we must buy our own lunch! I am still hanging on to the old terms waiting to be axed :)
Ni hayo tu kwa sasa! Keith
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:39 AM Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
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Thank you Tevin for highlighting this and sharing additional resources. For a start, I think it is great that Whatsapp has shared its policy and allowed room for debate in forums such as this, including delayed implementation of the policy so as to give more information to the consumers of their services and intended processing. This is inline with the information requirements under the DPA and giving users an option to consent to their data being shared and processed or not. Hence, consumers have an option to consent or change platforms. However, for a valid consent to be obtained, it must be specific. Specific to the purpose of processing sought. In this case, I don't think it is clear, other than advertising, what the processing will entail. "For example, a business may give such third-party service provider access to its communications to send, store, read, manage, or otherwise process them for the business." Also, the policy does not specify the duration of storage of data obtained or state the rights of data subjects e.g withdrawing consent. the policy leaves it as a take it or leave it option. In addition, if indeed the update is as harmless as they explain it, observing all requirements with respect to data protection, why the different policy versions for the EU and the rest of the world? I think there's something they are not telling us as much as they are trying to be open and transparent with respect to their processing purposes. Also, I noticed that the policy shifts the responsibility of privacy to business to provide consumers with information on intention to share the information with third parties, details of third parties and subsequently obtain consent from consumers. This brings about the concept of joint controllers. Are businesses using whatsapp facilities to offer business services ready to take on this responsibility? "To understand how a business processes your information, including how it might share your information with third parties or Facebook, you should review that business’ privacy policy or contact the business directly." I look forward to further discussions on this next week. Thank you Elaine Thuo On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM tevin mwenda via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Team,
Perhaps to further guide our discussion is this twitter thread by Will Cathcart the Whatsapp CEO https://twitter.com/wcathcart/status/1347660768225841152 where he stated that the new changes that are coming in would not change how Whatsapp shared Data with Facebook group of companies. The new changes were to update business communication as currently about 175 million people interact with a Whatsapp business account everyday. Furthermore, he states that end to end encryption will still remain and the changes do not apply when you interact with non-business accounts.
I think what has happened is that Whatsapp while in the process of updating its terms for business accounts interaction either knowingly or unknowingly ended up showing us or making it easier for us to finally understand and know the Data it shares with Facebook group of companies.
In addition, it also showed us the power of having strong data regulations as this policy will not apply to Europe. Perhaps we can also look at India as it provides a good case study of how we can go about this issue. Currently the Supreme Court of India has asked the Centre and WhatsApp to reply to a fresh plea alleging lower standards of privacy for Indians in comparison to European users. The court stated, "it is the duty of the judiciary to protect citizens' privacy. This would be an interesting case to follow.
https://yourstory.com/2021/02/supreme-court-whatsapp-facebook-privacy-policy...
Lastly, it is high time Africa as seen from the EU example start working as one when it comes to Data Legislation and Policy matters. We already have a very good convention that is the African Union Convention on Cybersecurity and Data Protection. Sadly only 19 countries have ratified it since it was published in 2014. With the passing of AFCTA I think this convention and subsequent Data policies may play a bigger role than initially thought as the saying goes Umoja ni Nguvu.
Other Reads: 1. https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/security-and-privacy/answering-your-questio... Whatsapp Expaliner on the privacy policy 2. https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/12/22226792/whatsapp-privacy-policy-response... The verge article on the same. 3. https://restofworld.org/2021/whatsapp-risks-losing-its-loyal-customers/ Rest of the world article on the effects the changes had in India why they risk losing thier most loyal base the uncles, aunts and grandparents 4. https://researchictafrica.net/2021/01/26/the-great-whatsapp-migration-delvin... A South African view
Thank you Kind Regards
Tevin Mwenda Gitonga
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:39 AM Liz Orembo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@barrack, it would be interesting to hear how the principle of Data minimization applies when the specified purpose is advertising.
Where's our data protection guru @walu?
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 08:39 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thank you all for your contributions, it should very exciting to engage FB on the webinar next week on Tuesday on these important issues and questions you have all raised
The discussion continues!
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:57 PM, Wangu Mwangi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, Apologies if I go a bit off track here as i just recently joined this conversation, but i wanted to share a personal experience i’m still puzzling over,
A couple of weeks ago, i suddenly lost all my contact information (names of contacts i’d been communicating with for years were no longer showing up when receiving calls, and i couldn’t find contacts when doing a search. But what its most strange is that at exactly the same time, I started getting notifications from WhatsApp with guidelines for retrieving lost contacts.
Does this mean i signed on to something i wasn’t even aware of? And if so, why would they mess up with saved information for contacts that aren’t even on my WhatApp lists? This is really frightening to me as a lay person. Any explanations?
Thanks,
Wangu
On 24 Feb 2021, at 20:18, Keith Andere via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Mwara,
These are pertinent questions you have raised here, and the discussion is really interesting.
On question one, I think Facebook is not your ordinary platform to compare with other platforms such as bibles and picture filtering apps. I therefore care much more about the privacy of my data because it's a piece to a bigger global puzzle. For me whatsapp is a platform where many aspects of my life connects, my family, chama, landlord alerts, Mpesa is now sending statements to whatsapp. I would not want to imagine that I would want any of this used for business purposes, especially when right to opt out is denied.
I think this is also an opportunity to scale homegrown solutions and platforms because soon enough when we all move to platform B, they would pull the same strings on us! Seems we must buy our own lunch! I am still hanging on to the old terms waiting to be axed :)
Ni hayo tu kwa sasa! Keith
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:39 AM Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
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Absolutely Tevin , this presents a fundamental opportunity for Africa to unify in urgent data policies for resolution in the digital age to ensure protection of human rights and freedoms on the internet similar to the EU. Furthermore as Keith mentioned perhaps its time to scale up homegrown opportunities. On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM tevin mwenda via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Team,
Perhaps to further guide our discussion is this twitter thread by Will Cathcart the Whatsapp CEO https://twitter.com/wcathcart/status/1347660768225841152 where he stated that the new changes that are coming in would not change how Whatsapp shared Data with Facebook group of companies. The new changes were to update business communication as currently about 175 million people interact with a Whatsapp business account everyday. Furthermore, he states that end to end encryption will still remain and the changes do not apply when you interact with non-business accounts.
I think what has happened is that Whatsapp while in the process of updating its terms for business accounts interaction either knowingly or unknowingly ended up showing us or making it easier for us to finally understand and know the Data it shares with Facebook group of companies.
In addition, it also showed us the power of having strong data regulations as this policy will not apply to Europe. Perhaps we can also look at India as it provides a good case study of how we can go about this issue. Currently the Supreme Court of India has asked the Centre and WhatsApp to reply to a fresh plea alleging lower standards of privacy for Indians in comparison to European users. The court stated, "it is the duty of the judiciary to protect citizens' privacy. This would be an interesting case to follow.
https://yourstory.com/2021/02/supreme-court-whatsapp-facebook-privacy-policy...
Lastly, it is high time Africa as seen from the EU example start working as one when it comes to Data Legislation and Policy matters. We already have a very good convention that is the African Union Convention on Cybersecurity and Data Protection. Sadly only 19 countries have ratified it since it was published in 2014. With the passing of AFCTA I think this convention and subsequent Data policies may play a bigger role than initially thought as the saying goes Umoja ni Nguvu.
Other Reads: 1. https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/security-and-privacy/answering-your-questio... Whatsapp Expaliner on the privacy policy 2. https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/12/22226792/whatsapp-privacy-policy-response... The verge article on the same. 3. https://restofworld.org/2021/whatsapp-risks-losing-its-loyal-customers/ Rest of the world article on the effects the changes had in India why they risk losing thier most loyal base the uncles, aunts and grandparents 4. https://researchictafrica.net/2021/01/26/the-great-whatsapp-migration-delvin... A South African view
Thank you Kind Regards
Tevin Mwenda Gitonga
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:39 AM Liz Orembo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@barrack, it would be interesting to hear how the principle of Data minimization applies when the specified purpose is advertising.
Where's our data protection guru @walu?
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 08:39 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thank you all for your contributions, it should very exciting to engage FB on the webinar next week on Tuesday on these important issues and questions you have all raised
The discussion continues!
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:57 PM, Wangu Mwangi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, Apologies if I go a bit off track here as i just recently joined this conversation, but i wanted to share a personal experience i’m still puzzling over,
A couple of weeks ago, i suddenly lost all my contact information (names of contacts i’d been communicating with for years were no longer showing up when receiving calls, and i couldn’t find contacts when doing a search. But what its most strange is that at exactly the same time, I started getting notifications from WhatsApp with guidelines for retrieving lost contacts.
Does this mean i signed on to something i wasn’t even aware of? And if so, why would they mess up with saved information for contacts that aren’t even on my WhatApp lists? This is really frightening to me as a lay person. Any explanations?
Thanks,
Wangu
On 24 Feb 2021, at 20:18, Keith Andere via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Mwara,
These are pertinent questions you have raised here, and the discussion is really interesting.
On question one, I think Facebook is not your ordinary platform to compare with other platforms such as bibles and picture filtering apps. I therefore care much more about the privacy of my data because it's a piece to a bigger global puzzle. For me whatsapp is a platform where many aspects of my life connects, my family, chama, landlord alerts, Mpesa is now sending statements to whatsapp. I would not want to imagine that I would want any of this used for business purposes, especially when right to opt out is denied.
I think this is also an opportunity to scale homegrown solutions and platforms because soon enough when we all move to platform B, they would pull the same strings on us! Seems we must buy our own lunch! I am still hanging on to the old terms waiting to be axed :)
Ni hayo tu kwa sasa! Keith
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:39 AM Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
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@Liz, With regard to Adverstising/Marketing the critical thing the DPC (Data Protection Commissioner) may look for is the opt-in process. As long as the customer willingly opted into the App and consented after being presented with the privacy policy (describing what the data controller eg FB, etc) would do with their data, then FB is safe. As for Data Minimization principle within the context of marketing, one would imagine marketing as one of those domains that would want the widest range of data points about an individual..so profiling for marketing purposes is perhaps unlimited...for example Cookies on a website can harvest so much personal information and can go to the depth of capturing and understanding your location, your device type, your operating system, typing speed, click rates, duration on the website, page u visited, etc... Is that illegal? It depends...on whether you consented to it or not...and whether the website/app owner gave u the option to opt in/out. It is only illegal if they do the personal data harvesting without your knowledge and consent. And now specifically to FB's new policy update that state that they will share our Whatsapp data with its other family of products, to me it looks legal in the sense that they have alerted the users and given them the option to consent to it or opt out. What worries me however, is the double standard. Why is the new Whatsapp policy not applicable to EU users?. This seems to suggest that there is something the EU Data Protection Commissioners know that FB hopes our Kenyan/African Data Protection Commissioner dont know and will not know. But its just a matter time and we shall get to understand the genesis of the double standards...so I do not understand why FB thinks having two separate policies for EU citizens and African Citizens is sustainable. Who knows, maybe they will tell us during next weeks Webinar ;-) walu On Thursday, February 25, 2021, 09:39:55 AM GMT+3, Liz Orembo via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @barrack, it would be interesting to hear how the principle of Data minimization applies when the specified purpose is advertising. Where's our data protection guru @walu? On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 08:39 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Thank you all for your contributions, it should very exciting to engage FB on the webinar next week on Tuesday on these important issues and questions you have all raised The discussion continues! On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:57 PM, Wangu Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi all, Apologies if I go a bit off track here as i just recently joined this conversation, but i wanted to share a personal experience i’m still puzzling over, A couple of weeks ago, i suddenly lost all my contact information (names of contacts i’d been communicating with for years were no longer showing up when receiving calls, and i couldn’t find contacts when doing a search. But what its most strange is that at exactly the same time, I started getting notifications from WhatsApp with guidelines for retrieving lost contacts. Does this mean i signed on to something i wasn’t even aware of? And if so, why would they mess up with saved information for contacts that aren’t even on my WhatApp lists? This is really frightening to me as a lay person. Any explanations? Thanks, Wangu On 24 Feb 2021, at 20:18, Keith Andere via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear Mwara, These are pertinent questions you have raised here, and the discussion is really interesting. On question one, I think Facebook is not your ordinary platform to compare with other platforms such as bibles and picture filtering apps. I therefore care much more about the privacy of my data because it's a piece to a bigger global puzzle. For me whatsapp is a platform where many aspects of my life connects, my family, chama, landlord alerts, Mpesa is now sending statements to whatsapp. I would not want to imagine that I would want any of this used for business purposes, especially when right to opt out is denied. I think this is also an opportunity to scale homegrown solutions and platforms because soon enough when we all move to platform B, they would pull the same strings on us! Seems we must buy our own lunch! I am still hanging on to the old terms waiting to be axed :) Ni hayo tu kwa sasa!Keith On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:39 AM Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear listers, Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions: 1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data? 2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far? Lets continue the conversation! 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Hi Wangu, That is very puzzling indeed , it will be interesting to hear FB's response on this Warmly Mwara On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 8:57 PM Wangu Mwangi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, Apologies if I go a bit off track here as i just recently joined this conversation, but i wanted to share a personal experience i’m still puzzling over,
A couple of weeks ago, i suddenly lost all my contact information (names of contacts i’d been communicating with for years were no longer showing up when receiving calls, and i couldn’t find contacts when doing a search. But what its most strange is that at exactly the same time, I started getting notifications from WhatsApp with guidelines for retrieving lost contacts.
Does this mean i signed on to something i wasn’t even aware of? And if so, why would they mess up with saved information for contacts that aren’t even on my WhatApp lists? This is really frightening to me as a lay person. Any explanations?
Thanks,
Wangu
On 24 Feb 2021, at 20:18, Keith Andere via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Mwara,
These are pertinent questions you have raised here, and the discussion is really interesting.
On question one, I think Facebook is not your ordinary platform to compare with other platforms such as bibles and picture filtering apps. I therefore care much more about the privacy of my data because it's a piece to a bigger global puzzle. For me whatsapp is a platform where many aspects of my life connects, my family, chama, landlord alerts, Mpesa is now sending statements to whatsapp. I would not want to imagine that I would want any of this used for business purposes, especially when right to opt out is denied.
I think this is also an opportunity to scale homegrown solutions and platforms because soon enough when we all move to platform B, they would pull the same strings on us! Seems we must buy our own lunch! I am still hanging on to the old terms waiting to be axed :)
Ni hayo tu kwa sasa! Keith
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:39 AM Mwara Gichanga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?
Lets continue the conversation!
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participants (11)
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Barrack Otieno -
elaine wangari -
Joseph Githaiga -
Keith Andere -
Liz Orembo -
Mwara Gichanga -
nzambi kakusu -
tevin mwenda -
Walubengo J -
Wangu Mwangi -
Wathagi Ndungu