New Software to deepen spying on internet users
Listers Could this be a case of sensationalism? Or does the Government really want to have a sneak on whatever you do online?
From experience we know that anyone can be traced using IP addresses unique to a computer or mobile phone. Read on and judge for yourself?
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/New+software+to+deepen+spying+on+Internet... -- *Ali Hussein* Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo
I stopped reading at....
Currently, each network has a single IP meaning messages can be easily traced to a network but not the originating equipment.
Someone get me a gatling..... On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Could this be a case of sensationalism? Or does the Government really want to have a sneak on whatever you do online?
From experience we know that anyone can be traced using IP addresses unique to a computer or mobile phone. Read on and judge for yourself?
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/New+software+to+deepen+spying+on+Internet...
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Well you were not that anonymous anyway. I'm sure something will give at some point. On the other hand we might need to do a workshop called 'technology for journalists' if they are to keep writing articles like these. And if this is about ipv6 we are nowhere near large scale migration yet. But so much is going on in that area right now. The bigger issue is people using resources outside our borders. Like foreign smtp servers, or foreign originated sms's. ISPs would need very clear terms. For instance only allowing email through their smtp servers for onward relay, or heuristicaly blocking messages based on some algorithm. Gitau Sent from my iPad On 3 Sep 2012, at 07:59, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Could this be a case of sensationalism? Or does the Government really want to have a sneak on whatever you do online?
From experience we know that anyone can be traced using IP addresses unique to a computer or mobile phone. Read on and judge for yourself?
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/New+software+to+deepen+spying+on+Internet...
-- Ali Hussein
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo
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I also got lost in the article on whether it was a case for IPv6 or a case against NAT. There is need to have technology biased editors to go through some of this articles before publishing. On 09/03/2012 08:46 AM, John Gitau wrote:
Well you were not that anonymous anyway. I'm sure something will give at some point.
On the other hand we might need to do a workshop called 'technology for journalists' if they are to keep writing articles like these.
And if this is about ipv6 we are nowhere near large scale migration yet. But so much is going on in that area right now.
The bigger issue is people using resources outside our borders. Like foreign smtp servers, or foreign originated sms's. ISPs would need very clear terms. For instance only allowing email through their smtp servers for onward relay, or heuristicaly blocking messages based on some algorithm.
Gitau
Sent from my iPad
On 3 Sep 2012, at 07:59, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke <mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke>> wrote:
Listers
Could this be a case of sensationalism? Or does the Government really want to have a sneak on whatever you do online?
From experience we know that anyone can be traced using IP addresses unique to a computer or mobile phone. Read on and judge for yourself?
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/New+software+to+deepen+spying+on+Internet...
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@John - I think we are. If you look at the image below that summarizes the availability in the central IPv4 pool as of 31/01/2011, you'll agree we are, and projections show only Africa will still have available v4 address by mid 2014. So I think it is also an issue. [image: Inline image 1] Sleen www.onelifeconsult.com www.vmbgmusik.com On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:46 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Well you were not that anonymous anyway. I'm sure something will give at some point.
On the other hand we might need to do a workshop called 'technology for journalists' if they are to keep writing articles like these.
And if this is about ipv6 we are nowhere near large scale migration yet. But so much is going on in that area right now.
The bigger issue is people using resources outside our borders. Like foreign smtp servers, or foreign originated sms's. ISPs would need very clear terms. For instance only allowing email through their smtp servers for onward relay, or heuristicaly blocking messages based on some algorithm.
Gitau
Sent from my iPad
On 3 Sep 2012, at 07:59, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Could this be a case of sensationalism? Or does the Government really want to have a sneak on whatever you do online?
From experience we know that anyone can be traced using IP addresses unique to a computer or mobile phone. Read on and judge for yourself?
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/New+software+to+deepen+spying+on+Internet...
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Hey tomslin, yes the situation demands that we be ipv6 ready. And quite a number of us are involved in this as I know you are either as a consultant or trainer. But looking at most networks, and applications including the developers to develop them, we are nowhere near large scale migrations. The central IPv4 pool got depleted a while back so thats gone. However Africa is one of the few places where an ISP can start from zero and get a /20 or even a /19 from afrinic's v4 pool. The issue I have with the article is its understandability especially by the people that read newspapers. If the journalist doesn't understand it, how in the world is he to communicate clearly. to say IPv6 will be used for 'spying' might work against its adoption by the common guy is one thing that comes to mind. Also today If Safariocm with the biggest customer base is able to give V4 space to each customer/business, I dont see how other ISP's cant. my point being with v4 as with v6, the spying (whatever that means) can occur. IP should be de-coupled from the 'spying' statements. gitau On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <s.tomsleen@gmail.com>wrote:
@John - I think we are. If you look at the image below that summarizes the availability in the central IPv4 pool as of 31/01/2011, you'll agree we are, and projections show only Africa will still have available v4 address by mid 2014. So I think it is also an issue.
[image: Inline image 1]
Sleen
www.onelifeconsult.com www.vmbgmusik.com
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:46 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Well you were not that anonymous anyway. I'm sure something will give at some point.
On the other hand we might need to do a workshop called 'technology for journalists' if they are to keep writing articles like these.
And if this is about ipv6 we are nowhere near large scale migration yet. But so much is going on in that area right now.
The bigger issue is people using resources outside our borders. Like foreign smtp servers, or foreign originated sms's. ISPs would need very clear terms. For instance only allowing email through their smtp servers for onward relay, or heuristicaly blocking messages based on some algorithm.
Gitau
Sent from my iPad
On 3 Sep 2012, at 07:59, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Could this be a case of sensationalism? Or does the Government really want to have a sneak on whatever you do online?
From experience we know that anyone can be traced using IP addresses unique to a computer or mobile phone. Read on and judge for yourself?
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/New+software+to+deepen+spying+on+Internet...
--
*Ali Hussein*
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Hi John, +1 on the concerns about the article Tomslin On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey tomslin,
yes the situation demands that we be ipv6 ready. And quite a number of us are involved in this as I know you are either as a consultant or trainer. But looking at most networks, and applications including the developers to develop them, we are nowhere near large scale migrations.
The central IPv4 pool got depleted a while back so thats gone. However Africa is one of the few places where an ISP can start from zero and get a /20 or even a /19 from afrinic's v4 pool.
The issue I have with the article is its understandability especially by the people that read newspapers. If the journalist doesn't understand it, how in the world is he to communicate clearly. to say IPv6 will be used for 'spying' might work against its adoption by the common guy is one thing that comes to mind. Also today If Safariocm with the biggest customer base is able to give V4 space to each customer/business, I dont see how other ISP's cant. my point being with v4 as with v6, the spying (whatever that means) can occur. IP should be de-coupled from the 'spying' statements.
gitau
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <s.tomsleen@gmail.com>wrote:
@John - I think we are. If you look at the image below that summarizes the availability in the central IPv4 pool as of 31/01/2011, you'll agree we are, and projections show only Africa will still have available v4 address by mid 2014. So I think it is also an issue.
[image: Inline image 1]
Sleen
www.onelifeconsult.com www.vmbgmusik.com
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:46 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Well you were not that anonymous anyway. I'm sure something will give at some point.
On the other hand we might need to do a workshop called 'technology for journalists' if they are to keep writing articles like these.
And if this is about ipv6 we are nowhere near large scale migration yet. But so much is going on in that area right now.
The bigger issue is people using resources outside our borders. Like foreign smtp servers, or foreign originated sms's. ISPs would need very clear terms. For instance only allowing email through their smtp servers for onward relay, or heuristicaly blocking messages based on some algorithm.
Gitau
Sent from my iPad
On 3 Sep 2012, at 07:59, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Could this be a case of sensationalism? Or does the Government really want to have a sneak on whatever you do online?
From experience we know that anyone can be traced using IP addresses unique to a computer or mobile phone. Read on and judge for yourself?
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/New+software+to+deepen+spying+on+Internet...
--
*Ali Hussein*
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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-- **Gitau
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <s.tomsleen@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi John,
+1 on the concerns about the article
yes, it is badly written, conflating the NEWS spyware with IPv6. IPv6 CAN be deployed so that end user addresses are not derived from MAC addresses. I wonder if the government is mandating the use of the 48 bit MAC address in building the 64 bit v6 address?? I doubt they have gone that far. It's not just journos however, this quote: “Any operator who opposes the move must know that they will soon be cut off by international backbone operators,” said Sammy Buruchara, CEO Kenic, the .ke registry and a Tespok member. also seems suspect in that I don't know of any international provider who will turn down money because a customer won't use IPv6. We are still at the point where it is hard to find international transit providers who will provide native IPv6 connections in East Africa. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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