Access Gaps: What would it take? A proposal
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment. 1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa. 2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear. 3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry. Maoni?
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates. [image: Mailtrack] <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality5&> Sender notified by Mailtrack <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality5&> 05/28/18, 11:49:41 AM Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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Hi Collins, Good proposal. Time to look beyond Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu and promote community networks. Best On 5/28/18, Job Muriuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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The sad thing, is this is probably the likely most efficient use of NOFBI, with detrimental impact on lots of “big players” who would lose significant market advantage in one clean swoop. Im not holding my breath though. Regards. On 28 May 2018, 12:20 PM +0300, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
Hi Collins,
Good proposal. Time to look beyond Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu and promote community networks.
Best
On 5/28/18, Job Muriuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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Collins Well done. I second this suggestion. Maybe KICTANet can put together a proposal to drive this conversation forward? *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The sad thing, is this is probably the likely most efficient use of NOFBI, with detrimental impact on lots of “big players” who would lose significant market advantage in one clean swoop.
Im not holding my breath though.
Regards.
On 28 May 2018, 12:20 PM +0300, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
Hi Collins,
Good proposal. Time to look beyond Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu and promote community networks.
Best
On 5/28/18, Job Muriuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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Collins, Good points there. This might work well and "open up" more towns On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 3:39 PM Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Collins
Well done. I second this suggestion. Maybe KICTANet can put together a proposal to drive this conversation forward?
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*AHK & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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Nairobi, Kenya.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The sad thing, is this is probably the likely most efficient use of NOFBI, with detrimental impact on lots of “big players” who would lose significant market advantage in one clean swoop.
Im not holding my breath though.
Regards.
On 28 May 2018, 12:20 PM +0300, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
Hi Collins,
Good proposal. Time to look beyond Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu and promote community networks.
Best
On 5/28/18, Job Muriuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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Eagerly following on this as well. This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas. Ian Kasyoki / I.Kasyoki@syokinet.co.ke / 0726815478 Syokinet Solutions 020-440-2983 P.O BOX 136-00519 Mlolongo www.syokinet.co.ke ---- On Mon, 28 May 2018 11:52:57 +0300 kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote ---- I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates. Sender notified by Mailtrack 05/28/18, 11:49:41 AM Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment. 1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa. 2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear. 3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry. Maoni? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/muriukin%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/i.kasyoki%40syokinet.c... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
@Ali & Others. What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach: a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs. b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors. c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops. d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points. Immediate benefits: a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised. b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1. c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money. d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
Eagerly following on this as well.
This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas.
Ian Kasyoki / I.Kasyoki@syokinet.co.ke / 0726815478 Syokinet Solutions 020-440-2983 P.O BOX 136-00519 Mlolongo www.syokinet.co.ke
---- On Mon, 28 May 2018 11:52:57 +0300 kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote ----
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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Collins Just curious. Is there a regulatory bottleneck that would need to be unlocked? Reason I'm asking is why do we need to wait for the govt to mandate anyone? Can't KIXP get on with it? Do we really need 'permission' for this? Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ali & Others.
What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach:
a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs.
b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors.
c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops.
d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points.
Immediate benefits:
a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. *Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised.*
b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1.
c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money.
d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber
On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
Eagerly following on this as well.
This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas.
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---- On Mon, 28 May 2018 11:52:57 +0300 *kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>* wrote ----
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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Hi Ali, ImHO we are discussing a public interest issue that might need a boost possibly from the Universal Service fund. Most of the ISPs that peer at KIXP are commercial entities that do so for commercial reasons not necessarily from a public interest perspective. During the ICT week, CA actually confirmed that the statistics we receive are normally population centric as opposed to being based on landmass. As infrastructure starts opening up the country such as the SGR, the International Airport in Isiolo , the Dual Carriage way to Mombasa, and rural electrification, people will start moving back to this areas that lack coverage and were hitherto considered unprofitable. I am yet to fully understand the long term business case of this projects funded by the Universal Service Fund and would like colleagues likes Adam to weigh in on the subject but it is my humble opinion that Community owned networks might be the way to go. Maybe Collins can share how they are surviving in Mashinani. I know the Telcos will claim that their network coverage extends to 90 % of Kenyans but we now know that this 90 % is in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu, we need to change the narrative. Ensure the unconnected are connected and that the costs of the connections are low by all means. Regards On Tue, 29 May 2018 06:44 Ali Hussein via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Collins
Just curious. Is there a regulatory bottleneck that would need to be unlocked? Reason I'm asking is why do we need to wait for the govt to mandate anyone? Can't KIXP get on with it? Do we really need 'permission' for this?
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*AHK & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
Chiromo Road, Westlands,
Nairobi, Kenya.
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ali & Others.
What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach:
a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs.
b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors.
c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops.
d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points.
Immediate benefits:
a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. *Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised.*
b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1.
c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money.
d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber
On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
Eagerly following on this as well.
This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas.
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---- On Mon, 28 May 2018 11:52:57 +0300 *kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>* wrote ----
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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Barrack I concur..My point however should not be lost..There are business models out there (like what Brother Collins is doing) that just need an enabling environment and not necessarily permission from Government. I say let's get on with it.. Government will catch up..If there was good will we wouldn't be discussing this issue right now right? #JustSaying. Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 6:59 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ali,
ImHO we are discussing a public interest issue that might need a boost possibly from the Universal Service fund. Most of the ISPs that peer at KIXP are commercial entities that do so for commercial reasons not necessarily from a public interest perspective. During the ICT week, CA actually confirmed that the statistics we receive are normally population centric as opposed to being based on landmass. As infrastructure starts opening up the country such as the SGR, the International Airport in Isiolo , the Dual Carriage way to Mombasa, and rural electrification, people will start moving back to this areas that lack coverage and were hitherto considered unprofitable. I am yet to fully understand the long term business case of this projects funded by the Universal Service Fund and would like colleagues likes Adam to weigh in on the subject but it is my humble opinion that Community owned networks might be the way to go. Maybe Collins can share how they are surviving in Mashinani. I know the Telcos will claim that their network coverage extends to 90 % of Kenyans but we now know that this 90 % is in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu, we need to change the narrative. Ensure the unconnected are connected and that the costs of the connections are low by all means.
Regards
On Tue, 29 May 2018 06:44 Ali Hussein via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Collins
Just curious. Is there a regulatory bottleneck that would need to be unlocked? Reason I'm asking is why do we need to wait for the govt to mandate anyone? Can't KIXP get on with it? Do we really need 'permission' for this?
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*AHK & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
Chiromo Road, Westlands,
Nairobi, Kenya.
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ali & Others.
What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach:
a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs.
b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors.
c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops.
d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points.
Immediate benefits:
a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. *Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised.*
b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1.
c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money.
d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber
On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
Eagerly following on this as well.
This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas.
[image: Syokinet Solutions] <https://htmlsig.com/t/000001C1QEB7>
*Ian Kasyoki* / I.Kasyoki@syokinet.co.ke / 0726815478
*Syokinet Solutions* 020-440-2983 P.O BOX 136-00519 Mlolongo www.syokinet.co.ke
---- On Mon, 28 May 2018 11:52:57 +0300 *kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>* wrote ----
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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Barrack, If you are a small player in the Internet and data market in Kenya you know how punitive local rates are and the market is an oligopoly where prices have been "fixed" What Collins is suggesting is a better and efficient use of the existing fiber infrastructure specifically NOFBI. We have so much idle fiber cores going into their 10th year but the cost to access them is too expensive for smaller players to take it up as the main players opt to dig up more fiber every year due to the costs of leasing. The Government (both National and counties) are not keen to change the environment so we need to push the narrative of using NOFBI as it was intended and open up the market. Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 6:59 AM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Ali,
ImHO we are discussing a public interest issue that might need a boost possibly from the Universal Service fund. Most of the ISPs that peer at KIXP are commercial entities that do so for commercial reasons not necessarily from a public interest perspective. During the ICT week, CA actually confirmed that the statistics we receive are normally population centric as opposed to being based on landmass. As infrastructure starts opening up the country such as the SGR, the International Airport in Isiolo , the Dual Carriage way to Mombasa, and rural electrification, people will start moving back to this areas that lack coverage and were hitherto considered unprofitable. I am yet to fully understand the long term business case of this projects funded by the Universal Service Fund and would like colleagues likes Adam to weigh in on the subject but it is my humble opinion that Community owned networks might be the way to go. Maybe Collins can share how they are surviving in Mashinani. I know the Telcos will claim that their network coverage extends to 90 % of Kenyans but we now know that this 90 % is in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu, we need to change the narrative. Ensure the unconnected are connected and that the costs of the connections are low by all means.
Regards
On Tue, 29 May 2018 06:44 Ali Hussein via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Collins
Just curious. Is there a regulatory bottleneck that would need to be unlocked? Reason I'm asking is why do we need to wait for the govt to mandate anyone? Can't KIXP get on with it? Do we really need 'permission' for this?
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ali & Others.
What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach:
a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs.
b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors.
c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops.
d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points.
Immediate benefits:
a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. *Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised.*
b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1.
c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money.
d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber
On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
Eagerly following on this as well.
This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas.
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I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
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https://www.techweez.com/2018/03/27/ms-appfactory-launch/ Reading this, there are numerous options being explored.Which, even for this one must be capital intensive. USF has the opportunity to drive this agenda via Community Networks. Be blessed. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". On Tuesday, 29 May 2018, 08:50:15 GMT+3, Job Muriuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Barrack, If you are a small player in the Internet and data market in Kenya you know how punitive local rates are and the market is an oligopoly where prices have been "fixed"What Collins is suggesting is a better and efficient use of the existing fiber infrastructure specifically NOFBI. We have so much idle fiber cores going into their 10th year but the cost to access them is too expensive for smaller players to take it up as the main players opt to dig up more fiber every year due to the costs of leasing. The Government (both National and counties) are not keen to change the environment so we need to push the narrative of using NOFBI as it was intended and open up the market. Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 6:59 AM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Ali, ImHO we are discussing a public interest issue that might need a boost possibly from the Universal Service fund. Most of the ISPs that peer at KIXP are commercial entities that do so for commercial reasons not necessarily from a public interest perspective. During the ICT week, CA actually confirmed that the statistics we receive are normally population centric as opposed to being based on landmass. As infrastructure starts opening up the country such as the SGR, the International Airport in Isiolo , the Dual Carriage way to Mombasa, and rural electrification, people will start moving back to this areas that lack coverage and were hitherto considered unprofitable. I am yet to fully understand the long term business case of this projects funded by the Universal Service Fund and would like colleagues likes Adam to weigh in on the subject but it is my humble opinion that Community owned networks might be the way to go. Maybe Collins can share how they are surviving in Mashinani. I know the Telcos will claim that their network coverage extends to 90 % of Kenyans but we now know that this 90 % is in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu, we need to change the narrative. Ensure the unconnected are connected and that the costs of the connections are low by all means. Regards On Tue, 29 May 2018 06:44 Ali Hussein via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Collins Just curious. Is there a regulatory bottleneck that would need to be unlocked? Reason I'm asking is why do we need to wait for the govt to mandate anyone? Can't KIXP get on with it? Do we really need 'permission' for this? Regards AliHussein Principal AHK & Associates Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/ alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: @Ali & Others. What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach: a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs. b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors. c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops. d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points. Immediate benefits: a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised. b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1. c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money. d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >, wrote: Eagerly following on this as well. This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas. | | | Ian Kasyoki / I.Kasyoki@syokinet.co.ke / 0726815478 Syokinet Solutions 020-440-2983 P.O BOX 136-00519 Mlolongo www.syokinet.co.ke | | | | | | | ---- On Mon, 28 May 2018 11:52:57 +0300 kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote ---- I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates. | | Sender notified by Mailtrack 05/28/18, 11:49:41 AM | | Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment. 1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa. 2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear. 3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry. 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@Wangari, You only need to look at what its taken for Mawingu (In terms of financial backing) to roll out the infrastructure it has in terms of capital to appreciate the enormity of the challenge for community networks. Flattening the playing field has a universal and immediate impact. Even by its very name, the Universal Service Fund, ought to address this, and IMHO there is no better way to increase penetration than getting core services closer to the edge. On 29 May 2018, 7:33 PM +0300, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
https://www.techweez.com/2018/03/27/ms-appfactory-launch/
Reading this, there are numerous options being explored. Which, even for this one must be capital intensive.
USF has the opportunity to drive this agenda via Community Networks.
Be blessed.
Regards/Wangari
--- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".
On Tuesday, 29 May 2018, 08:50:15 GMT+3, Job Muriuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Barrack, If you are a small player in the Internet and data market in Kenya you know how punitive local rates are and the market is an oligopoly where prices have been "fixed" What Collins is suggesting is a better and efficient use of the existing fiber infrastructure specifically NOFBI.
We have so much idle fiber cores going into their 10th year but the cost to access them is too expensive for smaller players to take it up as the main players opt to dig up more fiber every year due to the costs of leasing.
The Government (both National and counties) are not keen to change the environment so we need to push the narrative of using NOFBI as it was intended and open up the market.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 6:59 AM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Ali,
ImHO we are discussing a public interest issue that might need a boost possibly from the Universal Service fund. Most of the ISPs that peer at KIXP are commercial entities that do so for commercial reasons not necessarily from a public interest perspective. During the ICT week, CA actually confirmed that the statistics we receive are normally population centric as opposed to being based on landmass. As infrastructure starts opening up the country such as the SGR, the International Airport in Isiolo , the Dual Carriage way to Mombasa, and rural electrification, people will start moving back to this areas that lack coverage and were hitherto considered unprofitable. I am yet to fully understand the long term business case of this projects funded by the Universal Service Fund and would like colleagues likes Adam to weigh in on the subject but it is my humble opinion that Community owned networks might be the way to go. Maybe Collins can share how they are surviving in Mashinani. I know the Telcos will claim that their network coverage extends to 90 % of Kenyans but we now know that this 90 % is in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu, we need to change the narrative. Ensure the unconnected are connected and that the costs of the connections are low by all means.
Regards
On Tue, 29 May 2018 06:44 Ali Hussein via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Collins
Just curious. Is there a regulatory bottleneck that would need to be unlocked? Reason I'm asking is why do we need to wait for the govt to mandate anyone? Can't KIXP get on with it? Do we really need 'permission' for this?
Regards
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
@Ali & Others.
What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach:
a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs.
b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors.
c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops.
d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points.
Immediate benefits:
a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised.
b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1.
c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money.
d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber
On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >, wrote:
Eagerly following on this as well.
This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas.
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---- On Mon, 28 May 2018 11:52:57 +0300 kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote ----
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: > Hi all, > I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment. > > 1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa. > > 2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear. > > 3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry. > > Maoni? > > > ______________________________ _________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/listinfo/kictanet > Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ KICTANet/ > Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/ muriukin%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >
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@Wangari, I have followed the Mawingu story and paid them a visit and the kind of funding they get allows them to get service based on the expensive rates. [image: Mailtrack] <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality5&> Sender notified by Mailtrack <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality5&> 05/29/18, 8:05:51 PM Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 7:32 PM, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
https://www.techweez.com/2018/03/27/ms-appfactory-launch/
Reading this, there are numerous options being explored. Which, even for this one must be capital intensive.
USF has the opportunity to drive this agenda via Community Networks.
Be blessed.
Regards/Wangari
--- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".
On Tuesday, 29 May 2018, 08:50:15 GMT+3, Job Muriuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Barrack, If you are a small player in the Internet and data market in Kenya you know how punitive local rates are and the market is an oligopoly where prices have been "fixed" What Collins is suggesting is a better and efficient use of the existing fiber infrastructure specifically NOFBI.
We have so much idle fiber cores going into their 10th year but the cost to access them is too expensive for smaller players to take it up as the main players opt to dig up more fiber every year due to the costs of leasing.
The Government (both National and counties) are not keen to change the environment so we need to push the narrative of using NOFBI as it was intended and open up the market.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 6:59 AM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Ali,
ImHO we are discussing a public interest issue that might need a boost possibly from the Universal Service fund. Most of the ISPs that peer at KIXP are commercial entities that do so for commercial reasons not necessarily from a public interest perspective. During the ICT week, CA actually confirmed that the statistics we receive are normally population centric as opposed to being based on landmass. As infrastructure starts opening up the country such as the SGR, the International Airport in Isiolo , the Dual Carriage way to Mombasa, and rural electrification, people will start moving back to this areas that lack coverage and were hitherto considered unprofitable. I am yet to fully understand the long term business case of this projects funded by the Universal Service Fund and would like colleagues likes Adam to weigh in on the subject but it is my humble opinion that Community owned networks might be the way to go. Maybe Collins can share how they are surviving in Mashinani. I know the Telcos will claim that their network coverage extends to 90 % of Kenyans but we now know that this 90 % is in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu, we need to change the narrative. Ensure the unconnected are connected and that the costs of the connections are low by all means.
Regards
On Tue, 29 May 2018 06:44 Ali Hussein via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Collins
Just curious. Is there a regulatory bottleneck that would need to be unlocked? Reason I'm asking is why do we need to wait for the govt to mandate anyone? Can't KIXP get on with it? Do we really need 'permission' for this?
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*AHK & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/ alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
@Ali & Others.
What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach:
a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs.
b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors.
c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops.
d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points.
Immediate benefits:
a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. *Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised.*
b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1.
c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money.
d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber
On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >, wrote:
Eagerly following on this as well.
This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas.
[image: Syokinet Solutions] <https://htmlsig.com/t/000001C1QEB7>
*Ian Kasyoki* / I.Kasyoki@syokinet.co.ke / 0726815478
*Syokinet Solutions* 020-440-2983 P.O BOX 136-00519 Mlolongo www.syokinet.co.ke
---- On Mon, 28 May 2018 11:52:57 +0300 *kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>* wrote ----
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
[image: Mailtrack] <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality5&> Sender notified by Mailtrack <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality5&> 05/28/18, 11:49:41 AM
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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In 2016, the Kenyan government through the Communication Authority paid Intelecon Research & Consultancy Ltd, a Canadian company, to conduct an ICT access gaps study. Some findings include: Whereas geographical coverage is only 45% of Kenya’s land area, 94.4% of the population is already covered by 2G mobile services. Whilst 3G service geographical coverage is only 17% of the geographical land area, 78% of the population is covered; thus the access gap for 3G broadband service is 22% of the population. 264 out of the total 295 constituencies appear to have a post office and therefore 31 constituencies, are without a sub - post office. You can find the report here: http://www.ca.go.ke/index.php/ict-access-gap-study They had also set up an interactive geo-portal but it seems it is not reachable for now: http://kenyageoportal.ca.go.ke/ca_public/flash/ <http://kenyageoportal.ca.go.ke/ca_public/flash/> How are these concerns reflected in practice? IEBC, like any other department was expected to use these findings in their policy planning - and that justifies why Intelecon Research & Consultancy Ltd was paid KES42.9M for the study. A week to the August polls, IEBC stated that 27% of all polling stations (11,155 polling stations out of the has 40,883 gazetted ones) are without 4G or 3G GSM coverage: https://twitter.com/IEBCKenya/status/894179382683676674 One would expect to use these study findings (alongside other sources of network intelligence) to inform critical procurement, for example, election results transmission services. The lack of network coverage does not necessarily mean providers do not have capacity to cover the areas - it just does not make 'business ROI' sense to operate them in low activity zones. But during elections, for example, they can be requested to power on the bands to serve the critical functions. It seems this was not the case. As the IEBC is reviewing its position after 2017 and going planning for the next tasks, an assessment of the network service procurement should be on the agenda, and its findings shared publicly. -Moses
On 29 May 2018, at 13:11, Job Muriuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Wangari, I have followed the Mawingu story and paid them a visit and the kind of funding they get allows them to get service based on the expensive rates.
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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 7:32 PM, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>wrote: https://www.techweez.com/2018/03/27/ms-appfactory-launch/ <https://www.techweez.com/2018/03/27/ms-appfactory-launch/>
Reading this, there are numerous options being explored. Which, even for this one must be capital intensive.
USF has the opportunity to drive this agenda via Community Networks.
Be blessed.
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On Tuesday, 29 May 2018, 08:50:15 GMT+3, Job Muriuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
Barrack, If you are a small player in the Internet and data market in Kenya you know how punitive local rates are and the market is an oligopoly where prices have been "fixed" What Collins is suggesting is a better and efficient use of the existing fiber infrastructure specifically NOFBI.
We have so much idle fiber cores going into their 10th year but the cost to access them is too expensive for smaller players to take it up as the main players opt to dig up more fiber every year due to the costs of leasing.
The Government (both National and counties) are not keen to change the environment so we need to push the narrative of using NOFBI as it was intended and open up the market.
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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 6:59 AM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Hi Ali,
ImHO we are discussing a public interest issue that might need a boost possibly from the Universal Service fund. Most of the ISPs that peer at KIXP are commercial entities that do so for commercial reasons not necessarily from a public interest perspective. During the ICT week, CA actually confirmed that the statistics we receive are normally population centric as opposed to being based on landmass. As infrastructure starts opening up the country such as the SGR, the International Airport in Isiolo , the Dual Carriage way to Mombasa, and rural electrification, people will start moving back to this areas that lack coverage and were hitherto considered unprofitable. I am yet to fully understand the long term business case of this projects funded by the Universal Service Fund and would like colleagues likes Adam to weigh in on the subject but it is my humble opinion that Community owned networks might be the way to go. Maybe Collins can share how they are surviving in Mashinani. I know the Telcos will claim that their network coverage extends to 90 % of Kenyans but we now know that this 90 % is in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu, we need to change the narrative. Ensure the unconnected are connected and that the costs of the connections are low by all means.
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On Tue, 29 May 2018 06:44 Ali Hussein via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: Collins
Just curious. Is there a regulatory bottleneck that would need to be unlocked? Reason I'm asking is why do we need to wait for the govt to mandate anyone? Can't KIXP get on with it? Do we really need 'permission' for this?
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: @Ali & Others.
What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach:
a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs.
b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors.
c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops.
d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points.
Immediate benefits:
a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised.
b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1.
c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money.
d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber
On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >, wrote:
Eagerly following on this as well.
This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas.
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I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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Hi Moses/All, I quote: findings include: 1. Whereas geographical coverage is only 45% of Kenya’s land area, 94.4% of the population is already covered by 2G mobile services. 2. Whilst 3G service geographical coverage is only 17% of the geographical land area, 78% of the population is covered; thus the access gap for 3G broadband service is 22% of the population. 3. 264 out of the total 295 constituencies appear to have a post office and therefore 31 constituencies, are without a sub - post office. A critical factor that some of these studies either do not consider or may cover very shallowly is the affordability of these services to the populace in these regions. It has been proven time and time again that "coverage" does not equal "access", because many other factors come into play. In addition, even in cases where there is coverage+affordability studies have shown that if there is no relevant content, then the "natives" will simply ignore the technology. Sorry for steering this discussion slightly off course, let me try to get back onto the right lane... What Collin seems to have been referring to in his initial post are what I would describe as NAPs (Network Access Point) and not IXPs. This is mainly because a NAP can provide similar functionality to an IXP (opportunity for peering and traffic exchange), but goes way, way further in terms of providing network operators and service providers with a full menu of options that would make from the largest to the smallest feel at home. Put this picture in your head - a full service "Broadband Hotel" which offers small rooms, big rooms, conference facilities, meeting rooms, different restaurants with different menus, gyms, spas, parking space, short-lets, long-lets, presidential suites and not-so-presidential suites. This is the kind of investment/business model that is needed to allow for the kind of penetration that Collin aspires towards. Who pays for it? Your guess is as good as mine! My two cents, Mblayo On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 9:03 PM Mose Karanja via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In 2016, the Kenyan government through the Communication Authority paid Intelecon Research & Consultancy Ltd, a Canadian company, to conduct an ICT access gaps study.
Some findings include:
1. Whereas geographical coverage is only 45% of Kenya’s land area, 94.4% of the population is already covered by 2G mobile services. 2. Whilst 3G service geographical coverage is only 17% of the geographical land area, 78% of the population is covered; thus the access gap for 3G broadband service is 22% of the population. 3. 264 out of the total 295 constituencies appear to have a post office and therefore 31 constituencies, are without a sub - post office.
You can find the report here: http://www.ca.go.ke/index.php/ict-access-gap-study
They had also set up an interactive geo-portal but it seems it is not reachable for now: http://kenyageoportal.ca.go.ke/ca_public/flash/
How are these concerns reflected in practice?
IEBC, like any other department was expected to use these findings in their policy planning - and that justifies why Intelecon Research & Consultancy Ltd was paid KES42.9M for the study.
A week to the August polls, IEBC stated that 27% of all polling stations (11,155 polling stations out of the has 40,883 gazetted ones) are without 4G or 3G GSM coverage: https://twitter.com/IEBCKenya/status/894179382683676674
One would expect to use these study findings (alongside other sources of network intelligence) to inform critical procurement, for example, election results transmission services. The lack of network coverage does not necessarily mean providers do not have capacity to cover the areas - it just does not make 'business ROI' sense to operate them in low activity zones. But during elections, for example, they can be requested to power on the bands to serve the critical functions. It seems this was not the case.
As the IEBC is reviewing its position after 2017 and going planning for the next tasks, an assessment of the network service procurement should be on the agenda, and its findings shared publicly.
-Moses
On 29 May 2018, at 13:11, Job Muriuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Wangari, I have followed the Mawingu story and paid them a visit and the kind of funding they get allows them to get service based on the expensive rates.
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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 7:32 PM, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>wrote:
https://www.techweez.com/2018/03/27/ms-appfactory-launch/
Reading this, there are numerous options being explored. Which, even for this one must be capital intensive.
USF has the opportunity to drive this agenda via Community Networks.
Be blessed.
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On Tuesday, 29 May 2018, 08:50:15 GMT+3, Job Muriuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Barrack, If you are a small player in the Internet and data market in Kenya you know how punitive local rates are and the market is an oligopoly where prices have been "fixed" What Collins is suggesting is a better and efficient use of the existing fiber infrastructure specifically NOFBI.
We have so much idle fiber cores going into their 10th year but the cost to access them is too expensive for smaller players to take it up as the main players opt to dig up more fiber every year due to the costs of leasing.
The Government (both National and counties) are not keen to change the environment so we need to push the narrative of using NOFBI as it was intended and open up the market.
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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 6:59 AM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Ali,
ImHO we are discussing a public interest issue that might need a boost possibly from the Universal Service fund. Most of the ISPs that peer at KIXP are commercial entities that do so for commercial reasons not necessarily from a public interest perspective. During the ICT week, CA actually confirmed that the statistics we receive are normally population centric as opposed to being based on landmass. As infrastructure starts opening up the country such as the SGR, the International Airport in Isiolo , the Dual Carriage way to Mombasa, and rural electrification, people will start moving back to this areas that lack coverage and were hitherto considered unprofitable. I am yet to fully understand the long term business case of this projects funded by the Universal Service Fund and would like colleagues likes Adam to weigh in on the subject but it is my humble opinion that Community owned networks might be the way to go. Maybe Collins can share how they are surviving in Mashinani. I know the Telcos will claim that their network coverage extends to 90 % of Kenyans but we now know that this 90 % is in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu, we need to change the narrative. Ensure the unconnected are connected and that the costs of the connections are low by all means.
Regards
On Tue, 29 May 2018 06:44 Ali Hussein via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Collins
Just curious. Is there a regulatory bottleneck that would need to be unlocked? Reason I'm asking is why do we need to wait for the govt to mandate anyone? Can't KIXP get on with it? Do we really need 'permission' for this?
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
@Ali & Others.
What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach:
a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs.
b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors.
c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops.
d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points.
Immediate benefits:
a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. *Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised.*
b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1.
c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money.
d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber
On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >, wrote:
Eagerly following on this as well.
This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas.
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I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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Barrach I am not against community networks in any way, but typically they struggle as larger telcos have much greater efficiencies (i.e. having billing, customer service etc systems) and also greater technical skills. They can probably get better pricing for equipment if they buy in large amounts too. If there is no business case for a telco, there may not be one for a community network. However that presumes that the telco understands the potential customer base in a certain area, and can mobilize it, and that may be an incorrect presumption and something that community networks may be able to do better… or in some form of partnership with telcos? I should add that certainly competition is a good thing though! Adam From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane=huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno via kictanet Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 7:00 AM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Cc: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>; Kamunge, Njuguna <kamunge@ca.go.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Access Gaps: What would it take? A proposal Hi Ali, ImHO we are discussing a public interest issue that might need a boost possibly from the Universal Service fund. Most of the ISPs that peer at KIXP are commercial entities that do so for commercial reasons not necessarily from a public interest perspective. During the ICT week, CA actually confirmed that the statistics we receive are normally population centric as opposed to being based on landmass. As infrastructure starts opening up the country such as the SGR, the International Airport in Isiolo , the Dual Carriage way to Mombasa, and rural electrification, people will start moving back to this areas that lack coverage and were hitherto considered unprofitable. I am yet to fully understand the long term business case of this projects funded by the Universal Service Fund and would like colleagues likes Adam to weigh in on the subject but it is my humble opinion that Community owned networks might be the way to go. Maybe Collins can share how they are surviving in Mashinani. I know the Telcos will claim that their network coverage extends to 90 % of Kenyans but we now know that this 90 % is in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu, we need to change the narrative. Ensure the unconnected are connected and that the costs of the connections are low by all means. Regards On Tue, 29 May 2018 06:44 Ali Hussein via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Collins Just curious. Is there a regulatory bottleneck that would need to be unlocked? Reason I'm asking is why do we need to wait for the govt to mandate anyone? Can't KIXP get on with it? Do we really need 'permission' for this? Regards Ali Hussein Principal AHK & Associates Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: @Ali & Others. What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach: a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs. b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors. c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops. d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points. Immediate benefits: a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised. b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1. c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money. d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>, wrote: Eagerly following on this as well. This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas. [Syokinet Solutions]<https://htmlsig.com/t/000001C1QEB7> [https://s3.amazonaws.com/htmlsig-assets/spacer.gif] Ian Kasyoki / I.Kasyoki@syokinet.co.ke<mailto:I.Kasyoki@syokinet.co.ke> / 0726815478 Syokinet Solutions 020-440-2983 P.O BOX 136-00519 Mlolongo www.syokinet.co.ke<http://www.syokinet.co.ke> ---- On Mon, 28 May 2018 11:52:57 +0300 kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote ---- [https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/b657a9b3a10768780db6af98676753c8f39bdd98.png...] I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates. [Mailtrack]<https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality5&> Sender notified by Mailtrack<https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality5&> 05/28/18, 11:49:41 AM Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment. 1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa. 2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear. 3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry. 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Anyone could do it. The reason I would like to involve CA and GOK in this, is not so much a “permission” issue as it is fixing the bottleneck in this matter. (Maybe TESPOK in the list might shed light on this, I am meant to understand the "philanthropic gesture" by an operator to carry for TESPOK a 10G from Mombasa to Nairobi is coming to an end soon. a) NOFBI is the primary driver for the success of this, it needs to be accessible and available affordably to the player (In this case KIXP). As things currently stand, Nofbi is offered at “commercial rates” as a product, not enabler. It is this “local loop” business that has ensured internet access countrywide is not uniformly priced. As an asset built by the Government in the public interest, The best use of this is via legislating HOW it is to be used, not leaving pricing to entities that are both competitors and consumers. It is glaringly a conflict of interest. b) I introduced KIXP into the mix as a potential interested party because it already has significant traction in the marketplace. It also has significant representation in the industry via TESPOK. Which makes it the more “objective” entity to execute this. Second reason I would propose GOK flattens that landscape is to allow multiple operators to run IXP’s. In fact one can even run an IXP on top of an existing IXP. So for instance I might have, on behalf of Wireless ISP’s an IXP “layer”, that plugs my own switch into a 10G port in Nairobi, and into another 10G port in Msa, and give smaller WISPS 10, 100 and 1G ports in a secondary layer 2 switch. Regards, Collins. On 29 May 2018, 6:36 AM +0300, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>, wrote:
Collins
Just curious. Is there a regulatory bottleneck that would need to be unlocked? Reason I'm asking is why do we need to wait for the govt to mandate anyone? Can't KIXP get on with it? Do we really need 'permission' for this?
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ali & Others.
What does it take to push and actualize this? My suggestion would actually follow a very simple approach:
a) GOK, through CA mandates KIXP and other exchanges to provide countrywide service with presence at each of the 47 County headquarters as initial POPs.
b) Tier 1’s bid to operate and maintain redundant dark fibers to serve these IXPs, so that those IXP’s have multiple backhauls via multiple vendors.
c) IXP's run an open access platform, offering standardized “Port charges” for 1G, 10G, 100G….. at each of these pops.
d) Tier 2 and ASP’s then pick this traffic from any of these points.
Immediate benefits:
a) IP transit in Kilifi @400 bob a meg. :-) Instead of current IP transit at EADC at 400 plus local loop at KES 5000. Packets cost eleven times more from Nairobi to Kilifi than they cost from Nairobi to Guangzhou. That cartel needs to die for affordable access to be realised.
b) Tier 3’s will have room to actually grow and become Tier 2 and Tier 1.
c) Players will be forced to innovate to remain relevant, resulting in better Value for money.
d) Fibers will be utilised way more efficiently. Fewer fibers also means less downtime. e.g a single fiber
On 28 May 2018, 4:14 PM +0300, I.kasyoki--- via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
Eagerly following on this as well.
This will definitely be a game changer in regards to service penetration to marginalised areas.
Ian Kasyoki / I.Kasyoki@syokinet.co.ke / 0726815478 Syokinet Solutions 020-440-2983 P.O BOX 136-00519 Mlolongo www.syokinet.co.ke
---- On Mon, 28 May 2018 11:52:57 +0300 kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote ----
I Second Collins on this approach. Considering NOFBI is state funded (unless am wrong) so it's the Kenyan taxes funding it and that KIXP via Tespok be given the mandate to offer ports at fixed rates accessible anywhere the NOFBI fiber terminates.
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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi all, I have a rather interesting suggestion to the powers, power brokers and brokers that be. This is with regard to flattening the access environment countrywide. If you are at CA: Indulge me for a moment.
1) KIXP has proven over time that it is possible, from a technical standpoint to significantly drive traffic locally and in an organized manner. This works well where there is an XP, in the current scheme of things: Nairobi, and if TKL doesnt pull the plug, Msa.
2) If KIXP were operated like a distributed network, with switches in Kilifi, Mombasa, Garsen, Garissa, Thika, and all major towns in the country, so that providers would visit the nearest exchange point and get a port, loop charges would all but disappear.
3) All thats needed is for GOK to give KIXP a dark fiber pair into all major towns, and in exchange, for KIXP to offer 1G, 10G, 100G, etc at subsidized rates in any of these towns, and for NOFBI hosts to be “strongly asked” not to strong arm entrants by levying crazy cross connect or other barriers to entry.
Maoni?
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participants (10)
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Adam Lane -
Ali Hussein -
Barrack Otieno -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Collins Areba -
Dennis Memusi -
I.kasyoki＠syokinet.co.ke -
Job Muriuki -
Mose Karanja -
WANGARI KABIRU