Alice Did it touch you? Who again did you warn. Do you see like you are cutting my oxygen when you ban me? Ban, kwani? If Wainaina brings politics know that I will answer him politically and threats from you or Ndemo wont scare me. Kenyans know the truth and thinking that ogre mentality will scare me from saying what it is as it is then you are in for a suprise. By the way how important is KICTANET? Alice, you are just behaving like Michuki who was Bitange's boss. Thinking that killing the messenger will stop people from getting the truth. Hell NO. KTN and Standard are more stronger than ever and with or without government lincenses we watch it in Kisumu through sattelite. Shame on you and your stooge, Ndemo. Alai unedited On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:27 AM, alice <alice@apc.org> wrote:

Dear Robert...

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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: The Media is Not Innocent Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:51:59 +0300 From: Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com> To: alice@apc.org CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> References: <fb2c60220802130416x356f9e9ap82debaf42c1e8407@mail.gmail.com> <453375.42402.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <21ca13ee0802130755if502766jfafb1e0376853656@mail.gmail.com> <fb2c60220802140803l3b7d322meef08c0bcd42964c@mail.gmail.com>

Wainaina This is funny. On one hand you are describing how KTN/Standard did incite the public and ignore the fact that All Royal Media outlets including RamogiFM, Kameme, and KBC have gone to become Kikuyu chauvinist and not ready to protect the interest of Kenya. On another hand you claim ho the current Kenyan problem is political. *THE PROBLEM IS NOT POLITICAL BUT ETHNIC. *I have just come from a tour which took me from Tigoni, Juja, Nyeri, Naivasha, Eldoret, Kisumu, Yala and Busia. I travelled with the IDPs and listened and cried of what I heard. Kenyans are being denied their rights because they are not Kikuyu. I have the word of MPs and confirmed with IOM that the government explicitly informed the Redcross and IOM not to serve some communities. I have horror tales of women whose husbands were hacked with pangas inside Tigoni police station and the police couldnt save because they are not Kikuyu. I have talked to Abbas of IOM of how different Redcross is treating IDPs. kikuyu IDPs are treated with all care and others ignored. I personally snatched blankets from Pamela who is the regional redcross manager in Kisumu when she refused to give them to mothers and chidren I transported from tigoni and naivasha. I brought 17 buses and called redcross and informed them of my mission. I had a meeting with Dr Simiyu and Abbas Guled and they agreed to prepare the ground. After a whole day travel I got redcross not ready and when they saw the buses is when they started cutting the mbogas and meat. We handed over 4 children whose mother was admitted to Agha khan with serious illness and redcross took the children to a police station in Siaya. Kenyan problem is tribal and not political. We cannot have one tribe running roughshod and even the religious leaders from Kikuyu preaching the Kikuyu superiority. We cannot have one tribe killing and maiming Kenyans while claiming there is a genocide against Kikuyus. No Kikuyu was killed in Kisumu. Infact they were protected and even I have Mwangi, and Kuria who are my friends living and working in Kisumu even now when they cant work anywhere else. But Kibaki is ordering NGOs not to serve non Kikuyus. Kikuyus enjoy greater access to loans and even humanitarian assistance. Go to Kondele in Kisumu where the Kikuyu IDPs are housed. You will find that there is a bigger difference with Moi stadium where redcross dont want to even put basic facilities forcing the local community in Kisumu to house the IDPs at St Stephens. kenyans, these theories of Bitange and Wainaina only works for the few they serve. Bitange was key in selling 51percent shares of Telkom Kenya to the french consortium at 26 Billion Ksh. Before that the government cleared a debt of 69 billion. if 51% shares were sold at 26 it menas that Telkom Kenya was just worht 52 Billion. Why settle a debt of 69 billion? What is the mathematics here? telkom Kenya was worthless? Shame on you Bitange. Only people who dont know your inner dealings will respect what you say. You really like to please masters and never acts proffesionaly. Alai

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina@madeinkenya.org <mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org>> wrote:

I believe Waruru has raised an important question especially as relates to .....should Media houses be partisan? or must Media houses remain neutral independent of the preference of their owners?

My take is that Media is too critical as a part of society that it must not be partisan. We call the Press the "Fourth Estate" and we should make the press non-partisan just as we require the judiciary or other statutory bodies to be non-partisan even though the individuals running those institutions may be free to support different political leanings.

Dear Alai, let's all admit we have erred no matter what party or ideology we support. The political bias of the media is the problem we turn our focus to as it has brought us to the crisis we find ourselves in. My example of KTN/Standard also pointed out that other media houses (the same that you mentioned), have to deal with the fact that they are perceived as partisan in favour of the establishment. I also chose to deflect the debate to "way forward". Please let us not trivialise it as a matter of tribal chauvinism coz we will lose sight of the issues at hand. Let's work together for a win-win solution.

I would like to venture into analysing the role of SMS and the Internet but that would divert my atention from the unsolved problem of a Media that can destroy Kenya if left untempered.

On 2/13/08, *Robert Alai* <alai.robert@gmail.com <mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com>> wrote:

Kenyans and Friends of Kenya The Media shuldnt have media council. The media must go the way of the SA broadcast complaints commision which must be independent of the media and the gvernment. And guys and especially Wainaina. Please dont bring the PNU vs ODM politics in this forum. We are going to that direction and it wont help us. Lets all know that KTN has a duty to inform people just the way Royal Media and KBC and the Kameme 24 has been sending Kikuyu enthnic chauvinism in our ears. We have situations in this country where even Redcross and IOM have been called and informed by the government not to transport some IDPs. Please know that Kenya cant be in an imagined peace state. And peace exist only where justice is. Even if Raila and Kibaki agrees know that thre will be no peace without the people's right protected. Alai

On Feb 13, 2008 2:49 PM, Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com <mailto:kanjawaruru@yahoo.com>> wrote:

hi all, i like mungai's line of thought and i would like to contribute an additional point.

for media houses to be transparent during elections the media council should insist that each media house state their position's publicly and declare the parties/presidential candidates that they support/endorse or if they intend to remain neutral and independent.

this way the public will be making informed decision when they tune/buy into a particular media. Kanja

--- Wainaina Mungai <wainaina@madeinkenya.org <mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org>> wrote:

> Allow me to re-deflect the issue away from a > specific media house and state > the following as a way forward: > > 1. Journalists must work with all Kenyans to make > the press free from undue > influence from Media Owners. Press Freedom will not > be achieved until we > liberate the journalists from the editorial biases > of the media owners. > > 2. Editors must be held responsible when media > houses publish/broadcast in > an unethical manner. For this to hold, we must > ensure that the media owners > are not the 'final' editors. > > 3. Journalists/reporters have developed a culture of > accepting inducements > in order to edit stories as requested. This must be > treated as a crime due > to the privileges society accords the press. > > 4. Media houses must employ and retrain qualified > and ethical staff. There > must be standards that ensure professionalism. > Engineers, Doctors and others > submit to standards that the media continues to > dodge. > > 5. Kenya needs a Media Council "with teeth"...that > will be a watchdog that > acts in the interest of the public not as a > affiliate lobby for Media > Owners. > > The verdict should be a clear message to all of us > in the media circles. > It's time to look inwards and liberate the > profession of journalism from the > businessmen who own the media houses. > > Wainaina > > > > > On 2/13/08, Wainaina Mungai > <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com <mailto:wainaina.mungai@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Thanks Farida, > > > > We should not consider the presence of lessos in > ballot boxes in Kajiado > > or Kamukunji as evidence that your story was true. > The pre-marking or > > ballots and the lesso story are what would be > considered mutually exclusive > > events. The use of lessos as indicator of accuracy > is at the very least > > speculative. The fact that [it is possible] for an > election to be stolen > > does not mean that and election [will be] stolen. > > > > For KTN/Standard, the more direct issues as you > vouch for the integrity of > > your story would be: > > > > 1. Did you have [evidence] that the ballot boxes > were stuffed with > > pre-marked ballot papers? or were you speculating > because someone came > > forward as a "witness"? > > > > > > 2. Do you believe that the killings of the > Administration Police in Nyanza > > were a direct result of the story you authorised? > If so, what have you done > > to at least console the families of the bereaved > policemen? > > > > > > 3. Did you have evidence that the Citi Hoppa buses > that were carrying APs > > to various parts of the country were meant to be > used for a rigging mission? > > and would you consider that your story was > responsible for the burning of > > Citi Hoppa buses? > > > > > > Most voters know that ballot boxes are checked > before the start of voting > > and sealed infront of witnesses (agents, ECK > officials etc). It is > > therefore unlikely that rigging would only take > place is unless there is an > > elaborate conspiracy involving [all] > officials/agents at a polling station. > > > > Overall, the "vibes" KTN/Standard fraternity must > contend with is not that > > they are a model of "free press" but that it is > biased against the > > government or pro-ODM. The vibes stations such as > Royal Media, Kameme and > > KBC contend with is that they have given Kenyans > reason to be seen as > > pro-government/PNU. Those are the issues the press > must address honestly and > > not hide behind tags and clichés such as 'press > freedom' and 'muzzling the > > press'. > > > > NOTE: I work for a competing media house but that > is not my motivation for > > the issues i have raised on KTN/Standard. I > respect journalists for the > > effort that goes into writing even the simplest > story. However, I am aware > > that media houses and journalists have continued > to allow their political > > and other biases to influence the way they report > stories. > > > > Wainaina > > > > On Feb 14, 2008 12:09 AM, Farida Karoney > <fkaroney@ktnkenya.com <mailto:fkaroney@ktnkenya.com>> wrote: > > > > > Wainaina > > > I personally authorised the story you are > blaming KTN for and can vouch > > > for the integrity of that report any time. If > indeed you believe it is not > > > possible to steal an election, how come that > ballot boxes were found with > > > lessos, and election materials in some polling > stations? > > > > > > We cannot resolve explosive issues by hiding or > supressing the truth, > > > and no one is trying to exonerate the press. Let > us not pretend that we do > > > not know why we are where we are, it is > definately not because of KTN or the > > > Standard Group. > > > > > > And it is certainly not an academic excercise, > afterall most of us do > > > not have another place to call home except > Kenya. Believe me, any Country > > > which calls itself democratic must be able to > live with a free press, no > > > matter how much of a nuisance it is. > > > > > > By all means industry players need mechanisms to > promote responsible > > > behaviour in the media but aggression against > media houses in light of the > > > current political crisis is in my opinion > misplaced. > > > > > > regards > > > Farida > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > *From:* Wainaina Mungai > <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com <mailto: wainaina.mungai@gmail.com>> > > > *To:* fkaroney@ktnkenya.com <mailto: fkaroney@ktnkenya.com> > > > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:53 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya: The Media is > Not Innocent > > > > > > Like Dorcas, I am not surprised that the media > has for the umpteenth > > > time, failed to take responsibility for their > role. Allow me to cut to the > > > chase on how the media fueled the conflict. > > > > > > The issue of "self regulation" has come up as > journalists remind us how > > > effective they were during the election period. > I would like to know what > > > the Media Council would say about KTN/Standard > Group having published and > > > aired sensational stories of a very unlikely > vote rigging two or so days > > > before the election day. Editors must have known > that it is no longer > > > possible to stuff ballot boxes prior to the > voting day and get away with it. > > > That unsubstantiated story led to the death of > five Administrative > > > Policemen. 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