Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
Alex, Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last attacked. Through a bdix.net mailing list. You have opted to keep quiet about this. If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an accomplice. Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I also want cheap internet. Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us into a destructive path. Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I do not know what am doing in this list any more. Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do..... Bill On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill,
"The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat."- Lily Tomlin. I shall steer clear of the lowly races.
inline responses,
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex, Don't beat around the bush.
Bill = Impunity? Let's see....
But if you wish;
1) find out from your Safaricom friend where I was all day today. Ask them for my mobile phone user location tracking and the days calls and messages log to verify that indeed I had my handset on me all day. You are aware that they all have all this huge amount of data(SMS, calls, location, transaction, whom we call, when, conversation details etc ) on all of our communications on their servers, right? We do not ask for Data Protection bill aimlessly.
2) Indulge your investigations skills more- e.g. ask my neighbours if I was at the location given unto you.
3) Go to Kenya Power and Lighting Company and ask them for their power rationing program for today. And confirm whether indeed my location had an outage.
4) I spoke with several respected senior personalities today who needed data and information. Without power, I regretted, I could not send them via emails. I am ready to give you their numbers for you to confirm if indeed I told them so.
1. Have you met Onyango Hatari in person?? 2. Do you have his contacts?? 3. Are you Onyango Hatari??
Call me....0724226600 we discuss this matter. We need to straighten this matter!!!!
I shall not qualify or dignify your allegations with an honourable response.
@Journalist: Anne-Marie Kinyanjui (and despite your disclaimer):
Are you are qualified to advice us on consumer advocacy and telecommunications investments? You wrote me an email asking for me for data. What did you really want it for? Whom does a journalist write for? See for "professional journalist" here <http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video>
I can send to kictanet the KBC and NTV News clips of the same Michael Joseph interview, then all you can understand what I mean. Moderator let me know I can do that? (~10MB).
---------- Finally,
My data-based analysis remains valid, until and unless Safaricom's Michael Joseph offers verifiable proof on the contrary. Internet prices have to come down, immediately!
regards,
Alex
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, your remark as it stands right here borders on something already illegal.... Please take note.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
We are missing the point here. Clearly, 'Onyango Hatari' does not exist and is just a pseudonym for someone we know quite well on this list who prefers to spew hatred using a different email address. This matter in no longer on 'consumers' rights'.
I would encourage Michael Joseph to report to the nearest police station for investigations to commence with a view of suing for libel because this is clear defamation. The Chairman of the ICT Consumers Association should be one of the respondents 'to assist police with investigations' since he seems to be the only one who knows the true identity of one Onyango Hatari. Or is there anyone in this list who has actually interacted with Onyango Hatari???
-- Bildad Kagai MD - MediaCorp Limited Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue P. O. Box 20311 - 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Tel. 254 20 272 8332 Fax. Rendered Obsolete S - 1°17'13.8" E - 36°48'22.7" www.mediacorp.co.ke --
Bill, Leaving the list is not the solution....in my view there is more good than bad. N ________________________________ From: Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:57:39 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices Alex, Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last attacked. Through a bdix.net mailing list. You have opted to keep quiet about this. If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an accomplice. Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I also want cheap internet. Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us into a destructive path. Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I do not know what am doing in this list any more. Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do..... Bill On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill,
"The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat."- Lily Tomlin. I shall steer clear of the lowly races.
inline responses,
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex, Don't beat around the bush.
Bill = Impunity? Let's see....
But if you wish;
1) find out from your Safaricom friend where I was all day today. Ask them for my mobile phone user location tracking and the days calls and messages log to verify that indeed I had my handset on me all day. You are aware that they all have all this huge amount of data(SMS, calls, location, transaction, whom we call, when, conversation details etc ) on all of our communications on their servers, right? We do not ask for Data Protection bill aimlessly.
2) Indulge your investigations skills more- e.g. ask my neighbours if I was at the location given unto you.
3) Go to Kenya Power and Lighting Company and ask them for their power rationing program for today. And confirm whether indeed my location had an outage.
4) I spoke with several respected senior personalities today who needed data and information. Without power, I regretted, I could not send them via emails. I am ready to give you their numbers for you to confirm if indeed I told them so.
1. Have you met Onyango Hatari in person?? 2. Do you have his contacts?? 3. Are you Onyango Hatari??
Call me....0724226600 we discuss this matter. We need to straighten this matter!!!!
I shall not qualify or dignify your allegations with an honourable response.
@Journalist: Anne-Marie Kinyanjui (and despite your disclaimer):
Are you are qualified to advice us on consumer advocacy and telecommunications investments? You wrote me an email asking for me for data. What did you really want it for? Whom does a journalist write for? See for "professional journalist" here <http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video>
I can send to kictanet the KBC and NTV News clips of the same Michael Joseph interview, then all you can understand what I mean. Moderator let me know I can do that? (~10MB).
---------- Finally,
My data-based analysis remains valid, until and unless Safaricom's Michael Joseph offers verifiable proof on the contrary. Internet prices have to come down, immediately!
regards,
Alex
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, your remark as it stands right here borders on something already illegal.... Please take note.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
We are missing the point here. Clearly, 'Onyango Hatari' does not exist and is just a pseudonym for someone we know quite well on this list who prefers to spew hatred using a different email address. This matter in no longer on 'consumers' rights'.
I would encourage Michael Joseph to report to the nearest police station for investigations to commence with a view of suing for libel because this is clear defamation. The Chairman of the ICT Consumers Association should be one of the respondents 'to assist police with investigations' since he seems to be the only one who knows the true identity of one Onyango Hatari. Or is there anyone in this list who has actually interacted with Onyango Hatari???
-- Bildad Kagai MD - MediaCorp Limited Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue P. O. Box 20311 - 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Tel. 254 20 272 8332 Fax. Rendered Obsolete S - 1°17'13.8" E - 36°48'22.7" www.mediacorp.co.ke --
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Bill, Stay on and fight for what you want while in the 'system.' If you pull out, you;ll have lost the battle of internet rights and users! On 10/09/2009, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill,
Leaving the list is not the solution....in my view there is more good than bad.
N
________________________________ From: Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:57:39 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
Alex, Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last attacked. Through a bdix.net mailing list. You have opted to keep quiet about this.
If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an accomplice.
Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I also want cheap internet.
Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us into a destructive path.
Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I do not know what am doing in this list any more.
Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do.....
Bill
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill,
"The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat."- Lily Tomlin. I shall steer clear of the lowly races.
inline responses,
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex, Don't beat around the bush.
Bill = Impunity? Let's see....
But if you wish;
1) find out from your Safaricom friend where I was all day today. Ask them for my mobile phone user location tracking and the days calls and messages log to verify that indeed I had my handset on me all day. You are aware that they all have all this huge amount of data(SMS, calls, location, transaction, whom we call, when, conversation details etc ) on all of our communications on their servers, right? We do not ask for Data Protection bill aimlessly.
2) Indulge your investigations skills more- e.g. ask my neighbours if I was at the location given unto you.
3) Go to Kenya Power and Lighting Company and ask them for their power rationing program for today. And confirm whether indeed my location had an outage.
4) I spoke with several respected senior personalities today who needed data and information. Without power, I regretted, I could not send them via emails. I am ready to give you their numbers for you to confirm if indeed I told them so.
1. Have you met Onyango Hatari in person?? 2. Do you have his contacts?? 3. Are you Onyango Hatari??
Call me....0724226600 we discuss this matter. We need to straighten this matter!!!!
I shall not qualify or dignify your allegations with an honourable response.
@Journalist: Anne-Marie Kinyanjui (and despite your disclaimer):
Are you are qualified to advice us on consumer advocacy and telecommunications investments? You wrote me an email asking for me for data. What did you really want it for? Whom does a journalist write for? See for "professional journalist" here <http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video>
I can send to kictanet the KBC and NTV News clips of the same Michael Joseph interview, then all you can understand what I mean. Moderator let me know I can do that? (~10MB).
---------- Finally,
My data-based analysis remains valid, until and unless Safaricom's Michael Joseph offers verifiable proof on the contrary. Internet prices have to come down, immediately!
regards,
Alex
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, your remark as it stands right here borders on something already illegal.... Please take note.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
We are missing the point here. Clearly, 'Onyango Hatari' does not exist and is just a pseudonym for someone we know quite well on this list who prefers to spew hatred using a different email address. This matter in no longer on 'consumers' rights'.
I would encourage Michael Joseph to report to the nearest police station for investigations to commence with a view of suing for libel because this is clear defamation. The Chairman of the ICT Consumers Association should be one of the respondents 'to assist police with investigations' since he seems to be the only one who knows the true identity of one Onyango Hatari. Or is there anyone in this list who has actually interacted with Onyango Hatari???
-- Bildad Kagai MD - MediaCorp Limited Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue P. O. Box 20311 - 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Tel. 254 20 272 8332 Fax. Rendered Obsolete S - 1°17'13.8" E - 36°48'22.7" www.mediacorp.co.ke --
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex, Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last attacked. Through a bdix.net mailing list. You have opted to keep quiet about this.
If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an accomplice.
Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I also want cheap internet.
Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us into a destructive path.
Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I do not know what am doing in this list any more.
Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do.....
Bill, You are going nowhere. You have to be here as you rightly belong, just like the rest of us. @Alex, You do agree with me that even on skunkworks, we've had Theus Owicho and Mike Oketch rub guys the wrong way just like Onyango Hatari is doing here on KICTANet, right? II, just like Bill Kagai, have no doubts on my mind that these three aliases represent one, Robert Alai. There are several ways to prove this. Look at the typos. Perhaps he even uses the same connection to access the three aliases so we can trace the posts back to one IP address. I am just thinking: Why would someone decide to have three (or perhaps more) aliases? Why use an alias in the first place? And it's not only MJ who has suffered his wrath. If someone looks at skunkworks archives, you will find some reference to me and KICTANet, associated with abuse from one of the above aliases. Those convinced me that the person masquerading as Mike Oketch/Theus Owicho on skunkworks is one and the same with Onyango Hatari and are all personified as Robert Alai. I'm beginning to think the ICT Law can be applied against this Onyango Hatari person. He's abused everyone under the sun and the evidence is there on the web! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+pgitau=githongo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pgitau=githongo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Bill Kagai Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:58 PM To: pgitau@githongo.com Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices Alex, Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last attacked. Through a bdix.net mailing list. You have opted to keep quiet about this. If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an accomplice. Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I also want cheap internet. Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us into a destructive path. Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I do not know what am doing in this list any more. Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do..... Bill On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill,
"The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat."- Lily Tomlin. I shall steer clear of the lowly races.
inline responses,
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex, Don't beat around the bush.
Bill = Impunity? Let's see....
But if you wish;
1) find out from your Safaricom friend where I was all day today. Ask them for my mobile phone user location tracking and the days calls and messages log to verify that indeed I had my handset on me all day. You are aware that they all have all this huge amount of data(SMS, calls, location, transaction, whom we call, when, conversation details etc ) on all of our communications on their servers, right? We do not ask for Data Protection bill aimlessly.
2) Indulge your investigations skills more- e.g. ask my neighbours if I was at the location given unto you.
3) Go to Kenya Power and Lighting Company and ask them for their power rationing program for today. And confirm whether indeed my location had an outage.
4) I spoke with several respected senior personalities today who needed data and information. Without power, I regretted, I could not send them via emails. I am ready to give you their numbers for you to confirm if indeed I told them so.
1. Have you met Onyango Hatari in person?? 2. Do you have his contacts?? 3. Are you Onyango Hatari??
Call me....0724226600 we discuss this matter. We need to straighten this matter!!!!
I shall not qualify or dignify your allegations with an honourable response.
@Journalist: Anne-Marie Kinyanjui (and despite your disclaimer):
Are you are qualified to advice us on consumer advocacy and telecommunications investments? You wrote me an email asking for me for data. What did you really want it for? Whom does a journalist write for? See for "professional journalist" here <http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video>
I can send to kictanet the KBC and NTV News clips of the same Michael Joseph interview, then all you can understand what I mean. Moderator let me know I can do that? (~10MB).
---------- Finally,
My data-based analysis remains valid, until and unless Safaricom's Michael Joseph offers verifiable proof on the contrary. Internet prices have to come down, immediately!
regards,
Alex
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, your remark as it stands right here borders on something already illegal.... Please take note.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
We are missing the point here. Clearly, 'Onyango Hatari' does not exist and is just a pseudonym for someone we know quite well on this list who prefers to spew hatred using a different email address. This matter in no longer on 'consumers' rights'.
I would encourage Michael Joseph to report to the nearest police station for investigations to commence with a view of suing for libel because this is clear defamation. The Chairman of the ICT Consumers Association should be one of the respondents 'to assist police with investigations' since he seems to be the only one who knows the true identity of one Onyango Hatari. Or is there anyone in this list who has actually interacted with Onyango Hatari???
-- Bildad Kagai MD - MediaCorp Limited Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue P. O. Box 20311 - 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Tel. 254 20 272 8332 Fax. Rendered Obsolete S - 1°17'13.8" E - 36°48'22.7" www.mediacorp.co.ke --
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:47 PM, P Gitau Githongo <pgitau@githongo.com> wrote:
The bird will always beat a DSL line, which is asynchronous (faster down than "up") over a relatively short distance. At 1.54 Megabits per second, a 4 GB file will take a minimum of 6 hours. If you buy a fatter, synchronous pipe, you can beat the bird. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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