Guys.... I was interviewed the other day about this BPO/ICT park thats suppposed to be built by GOK using World Bank funds ... My question is ... was this a private sector idea or a government idea ? I am told its 70KM's from Nai .... is this true ? And what are your thoughts about the same ? Thanks
Mr. Liko, All such parks are outside of Town. Check Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil. Malili is 60 KMs out of Nairobi on Mombasa Road. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:27:24 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
I think our challenge is not the distance but infrustracture. In order to make the initiative a success, factors such as accesibility, stable connectivity et al should be considered and mitigating measures put in place such as involving all stakeholders who contribute to the critical success factors. I think at this point we need to make contributions and give ideas that will help achieve this noble initiative without necessarily being perpetually pesimistic. BR Evans Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2009, at 12:36 PM, "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Mr. Liko, All such parks are outside of Town. Check Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil. Malili is 60 KMs out of Nairobi on Mombasa Road.
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Very true...in the South Africa case, they are building a very major BPO Part in Port Elizabeth. They started in January and are on track to complete by March....within time and within budget. It is excellent. Nyaki ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 12:35:28 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park Mr. Liko, All such parks are outside of Town. Check Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil. Malili is 60 KMs out of Nairobi on Mombasa Road. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:27:24 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: elizaslider@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/elizaslider%40yahoo.com
My views .... As a small BPO operator { www.verviant.com }for the last 3 years, I think this is not the best use for any public funds for now {where now is 4-6 years} ... here are my reasons a. Lack of working capital is one of the biggest reasons BPO's in this country have failed, we{operators} used to complain about internet prices but truth is if you look at providers... the ability to just pay workers is the single biggest challenge To this, the single biggest beef about the BPO sector in the working Kenyans mind is that we dont pay on time {ever} As a provider, I know clients may delay payments, middle men may ran away etc etc ... but this stuff kills you and in a society that is primarily driven by Asset based lending .... you are stuck as a provider, there are times when billables out there are pretty hefty but clients has not paid ... to an employee or consultant, its another story b. We have really sucked at marketing... either as Kenya or as providers ... now, the bigger providers may have made breakthrus in this area but then we have collectivelly failed to market Kenya ... Our industry organisations have also failed to make a 1-1 connection between providers and clients ... this in my view could be the single biggest driver of success in the sector .... My thinking is instead of going off to 60 KM's outside Nairobi and building a park that may not fill in the next 5 years, why dont we solve the 2 problems above and then take it from there. ------------------ I am not for the idea of making employees travel another 60KM's to work. The 6 lane highways may come, South Africa may be doing it... but how many seats do we have right now compared to Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil In my original post, I asked whether this was a government idea or an industry idea .. I would love to learn more ... maybe I just dont have the right info ------------------ Dr Ndemo, Gilda ... you all are leaders in this sector, what am asking for is just some honest reflection or conversation about how we can make things work. We all know of very many failed BPOs ... is this the silver bullet ? Providers on the list, BPO Employees ... any views ? On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com>wrote:
Very true...in the South Africa case, they are building a very major BPO Part in Port Elizabeth. They started in January and are on track to complete by March....within time and within budget. It is excellent.
Nyaki
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Mr. Liko, All such parks are outside of Town. Check Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil. Malili is 60 KMs out of Nairobi on Mombasa Road.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Liko, it is true that working capital is a big challenge amongst the BPO operators. Banks will allways use asset based lending. I doubt that government will step in to assist undercapitalised BPO's, rather it should concentrate on developing an 'enabling environment'. I think BPO sector players need to begin looking at the many other options available to tackle this challenge of working capital. There are various avenues for raising offshore finance through Private Equity, Venture Capital, Angel Investors and so on. Operators could also begin to explore partnerships such as Joint Ventures with onshore/offshore partners in order to increase capacity. my take Peres Were Quoting Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com>:
My views ....
As a small BPO operator { www.verviant.com }for the last 3 years, I think this is not the best use for any public funds for now {where now is 4-6 years} ... here are my reasons
a. Lack of working capital is one of the biggest reasons BPO's in this country have failed, we{operators} used to complain about internet prices but truth is if you look at providers... the ability to just pay workers is the single biggest challenge
To this, the single biggest beef about the BPO sector in the working Kenyans mind is that we dont pay on time {ever}
As a provider, I know clients may delay payments, middle men may ran away etc etc ... but this stuff kills you and in a society that is primarily driven by Asset based lending .... you are stuck
as a provider, there are times when billables out there are pretty hefty but clients has not paid ... to an employee or consultant, its another story
b. We have really sucked at marketing... either as Kenya or as providers ... now, the bigger providers may have made breakthrus in this area but then we have collectivelly failed to market Kenya ... Our industry organisations have also failed to make a 1-1 connection between providers and clients ... this in my view could be the single biggest driver of success in the sector ....
My thinking is instead of going off to 60 KM's outside Nairobi and building a park that may not fill in the next 5 years, why dont we solve the 2 problems above and then take it from there.
------------------
I am not for the idea of making employees travel another 60KM's to work.
The 6 lane highways may come, South Africa may be doing it... but how many seats do we have right now compared to Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil
In my original post, I asked whether this was a government idea or an industry idea .. I would love to learn more ... maybe I just dont have the right info
------------------
Dr Ndemo, Gilda ... you all are leaders in this sector, what am asking for is just some honest reflection or conversation about how we can make things work. We all know of very many failed BPOs ... is this the silver bullet ?
Providers on the list, BPO Employees ... any views ?
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com>wrote:
Very true...in the South Africa case, they are building a very major BPO Part in Port Elizabeth. They started in January and are on track to complete by March....within time and within budget. It is excellent.
Nyaki
------------------------------ *From:* "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> *To:* elizaslider@yahoo.com
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thu, December 3, 2009 12:35:28 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park
Mr. Liko, All such parks are outside of Town. Check Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil. Malili is 60 KMs out of Nairobi on Mombasa Road.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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And they can use a hosted contact center solution instead of starting with a full and expensive platform! Kai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peres Were" <pwere@cascadegl.com> To: <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park Liko, it is true that working capital is a big challenge amongst the BPO operators. Banks will allways use asset based lending. I doubt that government will step in to assist undercapitalised BPO's, rather it should concentrate on developing an 'enabling environment'. I think BPO sector players need to begin looking at the many other options available to tackle this challenge of working capital. There are various avenues for raising offshore finance through Private Equity, Venture Capital, Angel Investors and so on. Operators could also begin to explore partnerships such as Joint Ventures with onshore/offshore partners in order to increase capacity. my take Peres Were Quoting Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com>:
My views ....
As a small BPO operator { www.verviant.com }for the last 3 years, I think this is not the best use for any public funds for now {where now is 4-6 years} ... here are my reasons
a. Lack of working capital is one of the biggest reasons BPO's in this country have failed, we{operators} used to complain about internet prices but truth is if you look at providers... the ability to just pay workers is the single biggest challenge
To this, the single biggest beef about the BPO sector in the working Kenyans mind is that we dont pay on time {ever}
As a provider, I know clients may delay payments, middle men may ran away etc etc ... but this stuff kills you and in a society that is primarily driven by Asset based lending .... you are stuck
as a provider, there are times when billables out there are pretty hefty but clients has not paid ... to an employee or consultant, its another story
b. We have really sucked at marketing... either as Kenya or as providers ... now, the bigger providers may have made breakthrus in this area but then we have collectivelly failed to market Kenya ... Our industry organisations have also failed to make a 1-1 connection between providers and clients ... this in my view could be the single biggest driver of success in the sector ....
My thinking is instead of going off to 60 KM's outside Nairobi and building a park that may not fill in the next 5 years, why dont we solve the 2 problems above and then take it from there.
------------------
I am not for the idea of making employees travel another 60KM's to work.
The 6 lane highways may come, South Africa may be doing it... but how many seats do we have right now compared to Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil
In my original post, I asked whether this was a government idea or an industry idea .. I would love to learn more ... maybe I just dont have the right info
------------------
Dr Ndemo, Gilda ... you all are leaders in this sector, what am asking for is just some honest reflection or conversation about how we can make things work. We all know of very many failed BPOs ... is this the silver bullet ?
Providers on the list, BPO Employees ... any views ?
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com>wrote:
Very true...in the South Africa case, they are building a very major BPO Part in Port Elizabeth. They started in January and are on track to complete by March....within time and within budget. It is excellent.
Nyaki
------------------------------ *From:* "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> *To:* elizaslider@yahoo.com
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thu, December 3, 2009 12:35:28 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park
Mr. Liko, All such parks are outside of Town. Check Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil. Malili is 60 KMs out of Nairobi on Mombasa Road.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Hi, On Saturday I was in Nanyuki where we had gone for the opening of a new shopping mall that will be housing a Nakumatt Supermarket. When I was there I took time to explore the region. I believe we should seriously look at locating an ICT Park in Nanyuki as it has all the conditions. The weather is good, there is ample land, sufficient water and an opportunity for green energy production from solar and wind. There are also 2 fibre cables that have already landed in the town, KDN & GOK. There is an abundance of recreation facilities and the town is cosmopolitan. With 4 military barracks in the region you are sure of security. While there I took time to talk to the Mayor who is very interested in such a project, any of you out there who are willing to invest in the future of Kenya? I will be putting together a think tank to look into the viability of such a project. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Hi all, Upon all the talk of buildings and parks, let me just make a voice for encouraging startup culture, tech entrepreneurial culture, and creating an environment for the entrepreneurs and innovators. Paul Graham founder of y-combinator explains this really well - How to be Silicon Valley<http://paulgraham.com/siliconvalley.html>(check out the 'Not Buildings' sections) & Can you buy a Silicon Valley? Maybe <http://paulgraham.com/maybe.html> (Full list of P.G.s essays here <http://paulgraham.com/articles.html>) All the same, I appreciate the efforts by the ministry and stakeholders, at the very least you will all agree it's better than nothing, right? :) On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:49 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
On Saturday I was in Nanyuki where we had gone for the opening of a new shopping mall that will be housing a Nakumatt Supermarket. When I was there I took time to explore the region.
I believe we should seriously look at locating an ICT Park in Nanyuki as it has all the conditions. The weather is good, there is ample land, sufficient water and an opportunity for green energy production from solar and wind. There are also 2 fibre cables that have already landed in the town, KDN & GOK. There is an abundance of recreation facilities and the town is cosmopolitan. With 4 military barracks in the region you are sure of security.
While there I took time to talk to the Mayor who is very interested in such a project, any of you out there who are willing to invest in the future of Kenya? I will be putting together a think tank to look into the viability of such a project.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi Mworia, Thanks for the links, this are the few times I am great-full for being on this list you have saved me over 2 hours of googling. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Tue, 8/12/09, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote: From: Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009, 8:25 Hi all, Upon all the talk of buildings and parks, let me just make a voice for encouraging startup culture, tech entrepreneurial culture, and creating an environment for the entrepreneurs and innovators. Paul Graham founder of y-combinator explains this really well - How to be Silicon Valley (check out the 'Not Buildings' sections) & Can you buy a Silicon Valley? Maybe (Full list of P.G.s essays here) All the same, I appreciate the efforts by the ministry and stakeholders, at the very least you will all agree it's better than nothing, right? :) On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:49 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, On Saturday I was in Nanyuki where we had gone for the opening of a new shopping mall that will be housing a Nakumatt Supermarket. When I was there I took time to explore the region. I believe we should seriously look at locating an ICT Park in Nanyuki as it has all the conditions. The weather is good, there is ample land, sufficient water and an opportunity for green energy production from solar and wind. There are also 2 fibre cables that have already landed in the town, KDN & GOK. There is an abundance of recreation facilities and the town is cosmopolitan. With 4 military barracks in the region you are sure of security. While there I took time to talk to the Mayor who is very interested in such a project, any of you out there who are willing to invest in the future of Kenya? I will be putting together a think tank to look into the viability of such a project. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: wmworia@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wmworia%40gmail.com -- Regards, Mworia Wilfred Mutua http://www.africanpixel.com/ http://www.afrinnovator.com/ Blogs http://wmworia.wordpress.com/ http://designclinic.wordpress.com/ Resume: http://www.visualcv.com/wmworia LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wmworia Facebook: http://facebook.com/wmworia Twitter: http://twitter.com/wmworia googletalk: wmworia Yahoo IM: wilfred.mworia
Hi Kai, Would you like to make a presentation on this in our Banking Conference in February? The draft programme is attached. Best wishes to you - and all colleagues on the Kictanet List - for a restful, blessed holiday period. Regards, Sean Moroney Chairman AITEC Africa seanm@aitecafrica.com UK Tel: +44(0)1480-880774 UK Fax: +44(0)1480-880765 UK Mobile: +44(0)7973-499224 Kenya Mobile: +254(0)721-845674 Mozambique Mobile: +258-82-6181618 Nigeria Mobile: +234(0)802-0571766 SA Mobile: +27(0)724-577887 Skype: seanmoroney www.aitecafrica.com -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Kai Wulff Sent: 04 December 2009 09:09 To: seanm@aitecafrica.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park And they can use a hosted contact center solution instead of starting with a full and expensive platform! Kai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peres Were" <pwere@cascadegl.com> To: <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park Liko, it is true that working capital is a big challenge amongst the BPO operators. Banks will allways use asset based lending. I doubt that government will step in to assist undercapitalised BPO's, rather it should concentrate on developing an 'enabling environment'. I think BPO sector players need to begin looking at the many other options available to tackle this challenge of working capital. There are various avenues for raising offshore finance through Private Equity, Venture Capital, Angel Investors and so on. Operators could also begin to explore partnerships such as Joint Ventures with onshore/offshore partners in order to increase capacity. my take Peres Were Quoting Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com>:
My views ....
As a small BPO operator { www.verviant.com }for the last 3 years, I think this is not the best use for any public funds for now {where now is 4-6 years} ... here are my reasons
a. Lack of working capital is one of the biggest reasons BPO's in this country have failed, we{operators} used to complain about internet prices but truth is if you look at providers... the ability to just pay workers is the single biggest challenge
To this, the single biggest beef about the BPO sector in the working Kenyans mind is that we dont pay on time {ever}
As a provider, I know clients may delay payments, middle men may ran away etc etc ... but this stuff kills you and in a society that is primarily driven by Asset based lending .... you are stuck
as a provider, there are times when billables out there are pretty hefty but clients has not paid ... to an employee or consultant, its another story
b. We have really sucked at marketing... either as Kenya or as providers ... now, the bigger providers may have made breakthrus in this area but then we have collectivelly failed to market Kenya ... Our industry organisations have also failed to make a 1-1 connection between providers and clients ... this in my view could be the single biggest driver of success in the sector ....
My thinking is instead of going off to 60 KM's outside Nairobi and building a park that may not fill in the next 5 years, why dont we solve the 2 problems above and then take it from there.
------------------
I am not for the idea of making employees travel another 60KM's to work.
The 6 lane highways may come, South Africa may be doing it... but how many seats do we have right now compared to Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil
In my original post, I asked whether this was a government idea or an industry idea .. I would love to learn more ... maybe I just dont have the right info
------------------
Dr Ndemo, Gilda ... you all are leaders in this sector, what am asking for is just some honest reflection or conversation about how we can make things work. We all know of very many failed BPOs ... is this the silver bullet ?
Providers on the list, BPO Employees ... any views ?
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com>wrote:
Very true...in the South Africa case, they are building a very major BPO Part in Port Elizabeth. They started in January and are on track to complete by March....within time and within budget. It is excellent.
Nyaki
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Mr. Liko, All such parks are outside of Town. Check Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil. Malili is 60 KMs out of Nairobi on Mombasa Road.
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It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web. We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on. http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_... Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk
In Uganda ... a private investor is building ... In Kenya ... GOK My view is that this is not the best use for govt funds ... in this sector ... at his time :) and location really sucks merry xmas On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:28 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web.
We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on.
http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_...
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I work for a sector which would greatly benefit and we are waiting for the ICT Park with 'baited' breath. I believe this idea is also open to the private sector, I am trying to understand why Mr. Liko thinks it is not the best use of government funds, could you kindly throw some light into this view. And the location, somewhere in the Arthi plains? What sucks about it? What would be a better location. I feel like your comments left those of us who are used to criticism followed by suggestions hanging. Some way forward suggestions please. Merry Christmas! From: kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Agosta Liko Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:27 PM To: pamela@cardiacimplants.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park In Uganda ... a private investor is building ... In Kenya ... GOK My view is that this is not the best use for govt funds ... in this sector ... at his time :) and location really sucks merry xmas On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:28 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web. We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on. http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_ in_Uganda Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co. uk> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: agostal@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/agostal%40gmail.com ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world"
Hi,
From your domain name I see you should be looking at a technology park not the ICT park with is actually a subsector. I would warn you not to hold your breath on the park as we are already into campaign mode so expect more short term projects with high extortion capacity, that is less than 2 years cycle.
To answer the questions, the government is meant to provide an enabling environment and facilitation not procurement as allocation will be done like was done in Mau a few politically correct people will be allocated the land for speculation purposes. We are yet to see a comprehensive strategy paper on the ICTPark all we get are snippets, will the government lease the land at pepper cone rates or commercial rates, what is the time frame. All we are asking is a detailed roadmap so that we know where we are heading. I do not expect this soon especially since we have never seen the entire designs for the new road networks all we get is snippets, why? Athi River is too close to Nairobi and will suffer from all the short comings, the location needs to be further from Nairobi so that it can be insulated from the speculative demands. My proposal is Nanyuki for its weather and adaptive administration, Mumias close to the sugar plant to provide reliable power supply or Isiolo. We need to make a clean break from Nairobi and its environs, also if we are to put up disaster recovery centers they need to be at least 150 kilometers from the main data centres therefore Athi River is out. The ICTPark is supposed to be a tripartite in nature private sector, academia & government in that order. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Pamela <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> wrote: From: Pamela <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> Subject: [kictanet] {Disarmed} RE: Question on ICT/BPO Park To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 15:17 I work for a sector which would greatly benefit and we are waiting for the ICT Park with ‘baited’ breath. I believe this idea is also open to the private sector, I am trying to understand why Mr. Liko thinks it is not the best use of government funds, could you kindly throw some light into this view. And the location, somewhere in the Arthi plains? What sucks about it? What would be a better location. I feel like your comments left those of us who are used to criticism followed by suggestions hanging. Some way forward suggestions please. Merry Christmas! From: kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Agosta Liko Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:27 PM To: pamela@cardiacimplants.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park In Uganda ... a private investor is building ... In Kenya ... GOK My view is that this is not the best use for govt funds ... in this sector ... at his time :) and location really sucks merry xmas On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:28 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web. We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on. http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_... Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "lists.kictanet.or.ke" claiming to be robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: agostal@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/agostal%40gmail.com -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
Members, I believe we are all looking forward to enjoying a relaxing Christmas break with our family and friends. Let us hold on to these attacks and hopefully by January 2010, we will be all rested and able to offer constructive contributions to this debate. I have enjoyed the interactions on this list and look forward to a more positive and successful 2010! MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE! Esther ******************************************************************** Just don't give up trying to do what you really want to do. Where there's love and inspiration, I don't think you can go wrong. - ELLA FITZGERALD (1918-1996) American Singer From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 2:01 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} RE: Question on ICT/BPO Park Hi,
From your domain name I see you should be looking at a technology park not the ICT park with is actually a subsector. I would warn you not to hold your breath on the park as we are already into campaign mode so expect more short term projects with high extortion capacity, that is less than 2 years cycle.
To answer the questions, the government is meant to provide an enabling environment and facilitation not procurement as allocation will be done like was done in Mau a few politically correct people will be allocated the land for speculation purposes. We are yet to see a comprehensive strategy paper on the ICTPark all we get are snippets, will the government lease the land at pepper cone rates or commercial rates, what is the time frame. All we are asking is a detailed roadmap so that we know where we are heading. I do not expect this soon especially since we have never seen the entire designs for the new road networks all we get is snippets, why? Athi River is too close to Nairobi and will suffer from all the short comings, the location needs to be further from Nairobi so that it can be insulated from the speculative demands. My proposal is Nanyuki for its weather and adaptive administration, Mumias close to the sugar plant to provide reliable power supply or Isiolo. We need to make a clean break from Nairobi and its environs, also if we are to put up disaster recovery centers they need to be at least 150 kilometers from the main data centres therefore Athi River is out. The ICTPark is supposed to be a tripartite in nature private sector, academia & government in that order. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Pamela <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> wrote: From: Pamela <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> Subject: [kictanet] {Disarmed} RE: Question on ICT/BPO Park To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 15:17 I work for a sector which would greatly benefit and we are waiting for the ICT Park with ‘baited’ breath. I believe this idea is also open to the private sector, I am trying to understand why Mr. Liko thinks it is not the best use of government funds, could you kindly throw some light into this view. And the location, somewhere in the Arthi plains? What sucks about it? What would be a better location. I feel like your comments left those of us who are used to criticism followed by suggestions hanging. Some way forward suggestions please. Merry Christmas! From: kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Agosta Liko Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:27 PM To: pamela@cardiacimplants.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park In Uganda ... a private investor is building ... In Kenya ... GOK My view is that this is not the best use for govt funds ... in this sector ... at his time :) and location really sucks merry xmas On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:28 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web. We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on. <http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_in_Uganda> http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_... Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "lists.kictanet.or.ke" claiming to be robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: agostal@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/agostal%40gmail.com> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/agostal%40gmail.com -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by <http://www.mail.jambo.co.ke/> Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
Liko, The Government is only championing the construction of the Park that will cost in excess of $10 billion or one third of our GDP. In Uganda yes the Private sector is putting the park up on Land provided by the Government. We are parctically doing the same only that most Government land was grapped. Indeed if we need development, Government must begin to reaquire the land. There is no investor coming to spend a fortune buying land. It would have been prudent if your question was to understand the model we are employing in developing the mult-use (ICT, Science, Financial District, Multimedia) park in Athi River. Ndemo.
In Uganda ... a private investor is building ...
In Kenya ... GOK
My view is that this is not the best use for govt funds ... in this sector ... at his time :)
and location really sucks
merry xmas
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It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web.
We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on.
http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_...
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Dr. Ndemo, Why does the park have to be in Athi River especially since the government is paying above market for the land? As a government you have the capacity to place the park anywhere is the country, how else will we urbanize other areas of the country if all activities are within 50 KM of Nairobi? I propose acquiring land in Mumias which will be a tenth of the price you are currently paying in Athi River with a added benefit of reliable power that is not dependent on rain. Nairobi is no Kenya. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 23/12/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} Re: Question on ICT/BPO Park To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 23 December, 2009, 6:31 Liko, The Government is only championing the construction of the Park that will cost in excess of $10 billion or one third of our GDP. In Uganda yes the Private sector is putting the park up on Land provided by the Government. We are parctically doing the same only that most Government land was grapped. Indeed if we need development, Government must begin to reaquire the land. There is no investor coming to spend a fortune buying land. It would have been prudent if your question was to understand the model we are employing in developing the mult-use (ICT, Science, Financial District, Multimedia) park in Athi River. Ndemo.
In Uganda ... a private investor is building ...
In Kenya ... GOK
My view is that this is not the best use for govt funds ... in this sector ... at his time :)
and location really sucks
merry xmas
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It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web.
We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on.
http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_...
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@ Bob, I see the sense in your assertation. The park should be far from the radius of Nairobi, say over 200 Km, in order to decongest the metropolitan city and to stop choking the little resources available in Nairobi. Further to my earlier mail to this list, Nairobi should not be everything from the Seat of govt to the home of all sorts of businesses. This, is what Vision 2030, in my opinion, is all about. On 23/12/2009, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Dr. Ndemo,
Why does the park have to be in Athi River especially since the government is paying above market for the land?
As a government you have the capacity to place the park anywhere is the country, how else will we urbanize other areas of the country if all activities are within 50 KM of Nairobi?
I propose acquiring land in Mumias which will be a tenth of the price you are currently paying in Athi River with a added benefit of reliable power that is not dependent on rain.
Nairobi is no Kenya.
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} Re: Question on ICT/BPO Park To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 23 December, 2009, 6:31
Liko, The Government is only championing the construction of the Park that will cost in excess of $10 billion or one third of our GDP. In Uganda yes the Private sector is putting the park up on Land provided by the Government. We are parctically doing the same only that most Government land was grapped. Indeed if we need development, Government must begin to reaquire the land. There is no investor coming to spend a fortune buying land. It would have been prudent if your question was to understand the model we are employing in developing the mult-use (ICT, Science, Financial District, Multimedia) park in Athi River.
Ndemo.
In Uganda ... a private investor is building ...
In Kenya ... GOK
My view is that this is not the best use for govt funds ... in this sector ... at his time :)
and location really sucks
merry xmas
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:28 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web.
We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on.
http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_...
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Hi, If we all agree that the ICT/BPO park would be best located away from Nairobi why is it that the government continues to pload along on retaining the location? Who out there knows how we can lobby to change the location since the Athi River location was never discussed and neither have we seen any study on which this location was arrived upon. If a ministerial decision was able to move the EPZ from Athi River (Eastern Province) after land had been purchased and even roads built, where Manchester Outfitters is currently situated to Kitengela (Rift Valley Province) change the ICT park location is not impossible. I am sure someone will ask what should be done with the land already acquired, give it to the Chinese as they have offered to build 150,000 housing units within the next 2 years. The 5,000 acres is enough to create a satellite city. With the proposed new constitution regional champions need to have the location changed otherwise they will remain in the stoneage. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 23/12/09, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: From: Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} Re: Question on ICT/BPO Park To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 23 December, 2009, 15:34 @ Bob, I see the sense in your assertation. The park should be far from the radius of Nairobi, say over 200 Km, in order to decongest the metropolitan city and to stop choking the little resources available in Nairobi. Further to my earlier mail to this list, Nairobi should not be everything from the Seat of govt to the home of all sorts of businesses. This, is what Vision 2030, in my opinion, is all about. On 23/12/2009, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Dr. Ndemo,
Why does the park have to be in Athi River especially since the government is paying above market for the land?
As a government you have the capacity to place the park anywhere is the country, how else will we urbanize other areas of the country if all activities are within 50 KM of Nairobi?
I propose acquiring land in Mumias which will be a tenth of the price you are currently paying in Athi River with a added benefit of reliable power that is not dependent on rain.
Nairobi is no Kenya.
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} Re: Question on ICT/BPO Park To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 23 December, 2009, 6:31
Liko, The Government is only championing the construction of the Park that will cost in excess of $10 billion or one third of our GDP. In Uganda yes the Private sector is putting the park up on Land provided by the Government. We are parctically doing the same only that most Government land was grapped. Indeed if we need development, Government must begin to reaquire the land. There is no investor coming to spend a fortune buying land. It would have been prudent if your question was to understand the model we are employing in developing the mult-use (ICT, Science, Financial District, Multimedia) park in Athi River.
Ndemo.
In Uganda ... a private investor is building ...
In Kenya ... GOK
My view is that this is not the best use for govt funds ... in this sector ... at his time :)
and location really sucks
merry xmas
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It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web.
We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on.
http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_...
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Robert, You are making assumptions that spoil the discussion. First of all Government did not pay above the market price. Yes we want to have these parks throughout the country. It just happens that we started from Nairobi. The reality is that we may not sufficient capacity support in Mumias at the moment. We shall move to most Provincial Cities before getting to Mumias. By the way if there is Land in Mumias for Ksh. 20,000 an acre, please let me know. I would invest pronto. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo,
Why does the park have to be in Athi River especially since the government is paying above market for the land?
As a government you have the capacity to place the park anywhere is the country, how else will we urbanize other areas of the country if all activities are within 50 KM of Nairobi?
I propose acquiring land in Mumias which will be a tenth of the price you are currently paying in Athi River with a added benefit of reliable power that is not dependent on rain.
Nairobi is no Kenya.
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} Re: Question on ICT/BPO Park To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 23 December, 2009, 6:31
Liko, The Government is only championing the construction of the Park that will cost in excess of $10 billion or one third of our GDP. In Uganda yes the Private sector is putting the park up on Land provided by the Government. We are parctically doing the same only that most Government land was grapped. Indeed if we need development, Government must begin to reaquire the land. There is no investor coming to spend a fortune buying land. It would have been prudent if your question was to understand the model we are employing in developing the mult-use (ICT, Science, Financial District, Multimedia) park in Athi River.
Ndemo.
In Uganda ... a private investor is building ...
In Kenya ... GOK
My view is that this is not the best use for govt funds ... in this sector ... at his time :)
and location really sucks
merry xmas
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It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web.
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http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_...
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Robert, Let us not be too critical of ourselves. We have indeed done good even with the procurement of land. Land is an emortive issue in Kenya and any time the words Land and Politician appear togther, there bound to be controversy. The Land we are buying was owned by 2,500 farmers. to get the minds of all these people together is not easy. We now have the Title and the project has started. How come we focus mostly on the negative? Inspite of all our negativity, I love my country Kenya and its opennness and the growth of democratic space. That a poor farmer can complain in the media and the Government responds. This is not true in some of the countries you praise. Whereas we have gone past "this is the order from above", some of our brothers in Africa have not and this has its cost in the midist of calm and perceived order. I am shocked when some contributors argue that we should be spending such resources on feeding Kenyans. This is like teaching someone on how to eat the fish rather than how to catch it. The Government needs to spend more on infrastructure to facilitate enterprise. We allso must work to earn our living. We must plan well. For example we should not have more children than we can care for. Giving birth to eleven children and hoping that God or our Government will help is height of stupidity. If Jesus were to meet a Kenyan today, the Kenya will ask "please help me see the Kingdom of Heaven" yet Zachriah several years back asked Jesus "how can I see the Kingdom of Heaven". Zacharia new he had some responsibility to this effort even thaough he had access to Jesus. This where our problems lie -- taking responsibility for our actions. Merry Chrismas. Ndemo.
It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web.
We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on.
http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_...
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk
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I agree with Dr. Ndemo on this one. Whenever the government does something people are always critical of this and point fingers as to why it would fail. While in Uganda the private sector is providing a point for the business park, in Kenya it's the government and this should not be seen as a barrier to national development. When I was in school, I was told that the government is involved in business when, and if the private sector faces challenges such as capital and if the investment will favour a few, if the services cannot be left in the hands of t he private sector because of exploitation. What I'm seeing is the government's effort to improve the social well-being of Kenyans. For those who profess the Christian faith, in John 1:46, a contemptuous inquiry on Nazareth is asked: *"And Nathaniel said to Philip,'Can there any good thing come out of NAzareth?' Philip said, 'Come and see.' " *This question can be equated to Kenyans asking whether we can have anything good with, say. Vision 2030 etc and only after seeing the progress made, by the govt and the private sector, can we answer in positive! Let us give the government a benefit of doubt for the sake of development! 2009/12/23 <bitange@jambo.co.ke>
Robert, Let us not be too critical of ourselves. We have indeed done good even with the procurement of land. Land is an emortive issue in Kenya and any time the words Land and Politician appear togther, there bound to be controversy. The Land we are buying was owned by 2,500 farmers. to get the minds of all these people together is not easy. We now have the Title and the project has started. How come we focus mostly on the negative?
Inspite of all our negativity, I love my country Kenya and its opennness and the growth of democratic space. That a poor farmer can complain in the media and the Government responds. This is not true in some of the countries you praise. Whereas we have gone past "this is the order from above", some of our brothers in Africa have not and this has its cost in the midist of calm and perceived order.
I am shocked when some contributors argue that we should be spending such resources on feeding Kenyans. This is like teaching someone on how to eat the fish rather than how to catch it. The Government needs to spend more on infrastructure to facilitate enterprise. We allso must work to earn our living. We must plan well. For example we should not have more children than we can care for. Giving birth to eleven children and hoping that God or our Government will help is height of stupidity. If Jesus were to meet a Kenyan today, the Kenya will ask "please help me see the Kingdom of Heaven" yet Zachriah several years back asked Jesus "how can I see the Kingdom of Heaven". Zacharia new he had some responsibility to this effort even thaough he had access to Jesus. This where our problems lie -- taking responsibility for our actions.
Merry Chrismas.
Ndemo.
It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web.
We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on.
http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_...
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk
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I totally agree with Ndemo. Government needs to spend on infrastructure in order to facilitate enterprise. Merry Christmas to all Listers!!! Peres -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+pwere=cascadegl.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pwere=cascadegl.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: 23 December 2009 10:05 To: pwere@cascadegl.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} Re: Question on ICT/BPO Park Robert, Let us not be too critical of ourselves. We have indeed done good even with the procurement of land. Land is an emortive issue in Kenya and any time the words Land and Politician appear togther, there bound to be controversy. The Land we are buying was owned by 2,500 farmers. to get the minds of all these people together is not easy. We now have the Title and the project has started. How come we focus mostly on the negative? Inspite of all our negativity, I love my country Kenya and its opennness and the growth of democratic space. That a poor farmer can complain in the media and the Government responds. This is not true in some of the countries you praise. Whereas we have gone past "this is the order from above", some of our brothers in Africa have not and this has its cost in the midist of calm and perceived order. I am shocked when some contributors argue that we should be spending such resources on feeding Kenyans. This is like teaching someone on how to eat the fish rather than how to catch it. The Government needs to spend more on infrastructure to facilitate enterprise. We allso must work to earn our living. We must plan well. For example we should not have more children than we can care for. Giving birth to eleven children and hoping that God or our Government will help is height of stupidity. If Jesus were to meet a Kenyan today, the Kenya will ask "please help me see the Kingdom of Heaven" yet Zachriah several years back asked Jesus "how can I see the Kingdom of Heaven". Zacharia new he had some responsibility to this effort even thaough he had access to Jesus. This where our problems lie -- taking responsibility for our actions. Merry Chrismas. Ndemo.
It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web.
We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on.
http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_ in_Uganda
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
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P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
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Well said, i like the scriptures quoted they are very relevant to the question and the season Merry Christmas On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Peres Were <pwere@cascadegl.com> wrote:
I totally agree with Ndemo. Government needs to spend on infrastructure in order to facilitate enterprise.
Merry Christmas to all Listers!!!
Peres
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Robert, Let us not be too critical of ourselves. We have indeed done good even with the procurement of land. Land is an emortive issue in Kenya and any time the words Land and Politician appear togther, there bound to be controversy. The Land we are buying was owned by 2,500 farmers. to get the minds of all these people together is not easy. We now have the Title and the project has started. How come we focus mostly on the negative?
Inspite of all our negativity, I love my country Kenya and its opennness and the growth of democratic space. That a poor farmer can complain in the media and the Government responds. This is not true in some of the countries you praise. Whereas we have gone past "this is the order from above", some of our brothers in Africa have not and this has its cost in the midist of calm and perceived order.
I am shocked when some contributors argue that we should be spending such resources on feeding Kenyans. This is like teaching someone on how to eat the fish rather than how to catch it. The Government needs to spend more on infrastructure to facilitate enterprise. We allso must work to earn our living. We must plan well. For example we should not have more children than we can care for. Giving birth to eleven children and hoping that God or our Government will help is height of stupidity. If Jesus were to meet a Kenyan today, the Kenya will ask "please help me see the Kingdom of Heaven" yet Zachriah several years back asked Jesus "how can I see the Kingdom of Heaven". Zacharia new he had some responsibility to this effort even thaough he had access to Jesus. This where our problems lie -- taking responsibility for our actions.
Merry Chrismas.
Ndemo.
It is interesting what you find when searching the Internet, we seriously need to add some information on the web.
We are unable to sort out a basic issue like procurement of land for the ICT Park, look at the following article on what our neighbour Uganda are doing. Its time we stopped thinking that the whole world is waiting for us to clean our act, others are moving on.
http://www.cio.com/article/375713/Indian_Investor_to_Build_US_200m_ICT_Park_ in_Uganda
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
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Dear Liko, I appreciate your comments and the issues you have raised, given the difficulties the young industry has faced. Let me share my thoughts. For a long time, I shared some of the same views you have detailed below but after visits to various offshore destinations and after going through my own personal learnings as a small operator, I realised that if the country ever has to become a force to reckon with and stand to be counted as an alternative offshore outsourcing destination, we must have the organised structures like the other countries we are competing with. Unfortunately buildings do not come up in a day so there must be planning towards ensuring that it happens within the required period. I say this because a small operator aspires to expand, I do not think anyone wants to remain at 20 seats. The small operators have had a really rough time getting proper contracts, hence the difficulties you have outlined below. Part of the reason for this is that they are going through middle men since direct clients need to see certain things in the country to be interested at all. In order for small operators to reach a point where they too start getting good contracts, Kenya as a country needs to be a main attraction for the big players. This would help the small operators have an easier sell. Yes, for small operators,there is still office space available hence no priority for the parks but the scenario is different for the large players. For Kenya to be a main attraction,several things must be put in place.Infrastructure is key- ie.communication/transport/office parks- large ones to accomodate big players who want to move in with 2000 seats and expand them to 5000 when they want to,without waiting for the building to be put up. I am glad to see private sector initiatives coming up in anticipation of the sector's growth although the ones I have seen (other than Sameer) would only take on about 500-1000 seats each.Many are however too expensive. The smaller BPOs (who are the majority) would ride on the elevation of Kenya as a country, getting on the map with big players coming and setting shop. Naturally, the big players have great demands and we cannot fault them on that. That is not to say the small BPOs should be ignored. My stand is that the small players should be given other incentives, like capacity building. Too much time and money is lost on training agents. Sections of the proposed parks should be allocated to a large group of small BPOs so they all have proper infrastructure at affordable rent(at least for a certain period till they expand to 100 seats.)They could even be different companies but under one roof serving one large company and undergoing same high quality training to ensure that they operate at the same standard to serve the one client eg. 10 small BPOs with 100 seats each serving one client of 1000 seats. (Zain, Safaricom,Telkom,GoK do you hear me?. I know there may be a comment that I should be looking at the domestic industry. Marketing is key and we do need to see much more of that. As industry association, we have been limited given the young stage we are at but we see this changing a great deal soon. I cannot speak for government and I agree with Liko that more can be done in marketing. However,let us not lose sight that when one aggressively does any marketing, the product should be ready for purchase. The cables only recently came in. We are yet to start serious human resource capacity building so as to have thousands of ready agents, supervisors and managers who have undertaken industry specific training. We need this yesterday, so when those contracts (local or international)come along,companies do not poach from each other and cripple each others' operations. We need to see enough buildings coming up as serious marketing kicks off, which we hope Government will aggressively start in January 2010. And I really do not think we should be restricting our thoughts to "parks" but to an entirely new zone with several buildings, schools,hospitals,malls- a new mini city. We have to think big if we want to achieve great things. I believe we are talking long term goals here, the short term that would help the smaller BPOs is what I suggested- capacity building and marketing the country. Whose initiative was it? Government. Gilda Odera Is this an industry initiative- not really. Credit goes to Government. The key thing is that the park must not just be a park. It must be a whole new city coming up with schools, hospitals, malls, housing and much much more. Meanwhile, the struggle continues...........but not for too long we hope! Gilda Quoting Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com>:
My views ....
As a small BPO operator { www.verviant.com }for the last 3 years, I think this is not the best use for any public funds for now {where now is 4-6 years} ... here are my reasons
a. Lack of working capital is one of the biggest reasons BPO's in this country have failed, we{operators} used to complain about internet prices but truth is if you look at providers... the ability to just pay workers is the single biggest challenge
To this, the single biggest beef about the BPO sector in the working Kenyans mind is that we dont pay on time {ever}
As a provider, I know clients may delay payments, middle men may ran away etc etc ... but this stuff kills you and in a society that is primarily driven by Asset based lending .... you are stuck
as a provider, there are times when billables out there are pretty hefty but clients has not paid ... to an employee or consultant, its another story
b. We have really sucked at marketing... either as Kenya or as providers ... now, the bigger providers may have made breakthrus in this area but then we have collectivelly failed to market Kenya ... Our industry organisations have also failed to make a 1-1 connection between providers and clients ... this in my view could be the single biggest driver of success in the sector ....
My thinking is instead of going off to 60 KM's outside Nairobi and building a park that may not fill in the next 5 years, why dont we solve the 2 problems above and then take it from there.
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I am not for the idea of making employees travel another 60KM's to work.
The 6 lane highways may come, South Africa may be doing it... but how many seats do we have right now compared to Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil
In my original post, I asked whether this was a government idea or an industry idea .. I would love to learn more ... maybe I just dont have the right info
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Dr Ndemo, Gilda ... you all are leaders in this sector, what am asking for is just some honest reflection or conversation about how we can make things work. We all know of very many failed BPOs ... is this the silver bullet ?
Providers on the list, BPO Employees ... any views ?
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com>wrote:
Very true...in the South Africa case, they are building a very major BPO Part in Port Elizabeth. They started in January and are on track to complete by March....within time and within budget. It is excellent.
Nyaki
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Mr. Liko, All such parks are outside of Town. Check Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil. Malili is 60 KMs out of Nairobi on Mombasa Road.
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Hi, I hope the issue raised is not that of distance from the CBD as if that is it then my take is that it is too close. We need to consider moving it at least 200 kilometers from Nairobi. Since we are going to develop everything from scratch why not make a clean break and build from the ground up. A place where we can easily harness clean power, recycle water, build houses on cheap none inflated land, planned developments, create governance structures in short, we need a technology city with all the trimmings not a patch worked solution. Note that the ear marked land is now a subject of a court case, this is the birth of another Kenya scandal. For those who are interested in a better appreciation of what we are trying to do with the park read about Silicon Valley http://www.netvalley.com/svhistory.html. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Thu, 3/12/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 9:35 Mr. Liko, All such parks are outside of Town. Check Malaysia, Egypt, Philipines, South Africa and Brazil. Malili is 60 KMs out of Nairobi on Mombasa Road. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:27:24 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Question on ICT/BPO Park _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
Liko, 70kms is not far at all IF we have proper six lane highways on both sides not all running into roundabouts or if we have tube trains or just the speed trains so there is no traffic congestion............is Ministry of Transport (or Roads and Public works) involved in the plans? They would need to be working in tandem. Gilda Odera Quoting Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com>:
Guys....
I was interviewed the other day about this BPO/ICT park thats suppposed to be built by GOK using World Bank funds ...
My question is ... was this a private sector idea or a government idea ?
I am told its 70KM's from Nai .... is this true ?
And what are your thoughts about the same ?
Thanks
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participants (14)
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Agosta Liko -
Barrack Otieno -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Catherine Adeya -
Esther Muchiri -
Evans J. Nyagah -
godera＠skyweb.co.ke -
Kai Wulff -
Mworia Wilfred Mutua -
Pamela -
Peres Were -
robert yawe -
Sean Moroney -
Solomon Mburu Kamau