Dear colleagues, Having followed the debate on the media audit, I'm convinced there is consensus that it's important that we review how the media handled the elections, before, during and after. That is perfectly in order. What's alarming is the insistence that the government should do it, whereas there is an organisation, the Media Council, whose mandate includes checking how the media operates with a view to protect the producers and consumers of news.We've expressed our views as media practitioners about our disdain for a governmental audit and Dr Bitange knows about that. Our suggestion remains, let MCK do the audit, otherwise we'll be accused of creating institutions just to kill them. But it must be noted vilifying the media won't do when all of us know where the problem lies. It's human to take an easy route out of a crisis. The ministry of Information and Communications must not fall into that trap. Finally, I associate myself with a view expressed earlier by one contributor, namely, moderation in this discourse. David Aduda Nation Media Group
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We are working towards that. We need private sector to push these developments. Government is not good in business. We can only intervene to facilitate especially the small enterprises.
Ndemo
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:22:38 To:bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables
Nothing against all the big guns establishing in Kenya but what about a long term objective of building our own version of Akamai,googles, Limelights etc.
Dont forget the real winners in the knowledge era are those who produce their own not use others. So our long term objective should be to have our own alongside others because it is a free market economy.
Eric here
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> Reply-To: michuki@swiftkenya.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:14:04 +0300
bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Good news is that Etisalat (our partners in Teams) in conjunction with Akamai are building an Internet Point of Presence (POP) in Fujaira thus eliminating long distance needs for Internet in this region.
The long term objective should be to have the likes of Akamai, Limelight and google collocating their nodes in Kenya. This will essentially keep at least 50% of our Internet traffic local.
Regards,
Michuki.
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I think we are trying to trivialise a very critical aspect of what has happened to this country. I must stand up to be counted as a media practitioner and say that YES, the media (they really know it!) stand accused. Prior to and after elections, several media houses became blatant in their bias. In my opinion, some media houses were used to create a situation where one side was not supposed to lose - with dire consequences for us all if they did. In the course of marketing their preferred presidential candidate, journalists fell into the propaganda trap of the main antagonists. For the true and ethical professionals, what we saw and read as agenda setting was simply disgusting! It was really unimaginable that some journalists behaved like they were aliens and would simply fly into space if this country burned down - like it so nearly did. This is really a highly emotive issue but let not us underestimate or insult the intelligence of Kenyans. We all know that there is a lot of money that changes hands and big promises given during critical moments like elections. The Government task force is inevitable but of course with MCK representatives. Otherwise, in future we could easily have a Rwanda situation as the media gets bolder and more aggressive with their agenda. We as the media must realise that irresponsibility will cost us all and denial is not really a strategy any more. Stephen Ndegwa On 13/02/2008, David Aduda <daduda@nation.co.ke> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Having followed the debate on the media audit, I'm convinced there is consensus that it's important that we review how the media handled the elections, before, during and after. That is perfectly in order. What's alarming is the insistence that the government should do it, whereas there is an organisation, the Media Council, whose mandate includes checking how the media operates with a view to protect the producers and consumers of news.We've expressed our views as media practitioners about our disdain for a governmental audit and Dr Bitange knows about that. Our suggestion remains, let MCK do the audit, otherwise we'll be accused of creating institutions just to kill them.
But it must be noted vilifying the media won't do when all of us know where the problem lies. It's human to take an easy route out of a crisis. The ministry of Information and Communications must not fall into that trap.
Finally, I associate myself with a view expressed earlier by one contributor, namely, moderation in this discourse.
David Aduda Nation Media Group
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We are working towards that. We need private sector to push these developments. Government is not good in business. We can only intervene to facilitate especially the small enterprises.
Ndemo
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:22:38 To:bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables
Nothing against all the big guns establishing in Kenya but what about a long term objective of building our own version of Akamai,googles, Limelights etc.
Dont forget the real winners in the knowledge era are those who produce their own not use others. So our long term objective should be to have our own alongside others because it is a free market economy.
Eric here
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> Reply-To: michuki@swiftkenya.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:14:04 +0300
bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Good news is that Etisalat (our partners in Teams) in conjunction
Akamai are building an Internet Point of Presence (POP) in Fujaira thus eliminating long distance needs for Internet in this region.
The long term objective should be to have the likes of Akamai, Limelight and google collocating their nodes in Kenya. This will essentially keep at least 50% of our Internet traffic local.
Regards,
Michuki.
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Thank you very much. I have heard many other media professionals talk like you just did. Hopefully, other colleagues will accept where the media was wrong and we see how this can be mitigated in future. On Feb 13, 2008 12:28 PM, MediaSpeak Africa <mesafric@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we are trying to trivialise a very critical aspect of what has happened to this country. I must stand up to be counted as a media practitioner and say that YES, the media (they really know it!) stand accused.
Prior to and after elections, several media houses became blatant in their bias. In my opinion, some media houses were used to create a situation where one side was not supposed to lose - with dire consequences for us all if they did.
In the course of marketing their preferred presidential candidate, journalists fell into the propaganda trap of the main antagonists. For the true and ethical professionals, what we saw and read as agenda setting was simply disgusting! It was really unimaginable that some journalists behaved like they were aliens and would simply fly into space if this country burned down - like it so nearly did.
This is really a highly emotive issue but let not us underestimate or insult the intelligence of Kenyans. We all know that there is a lot of money that changes hands and big promises given during critical moments like elections.
The Government task force is inevitable but of course with MCK representatives. Otherwise, in future we could easily have a Rwanda situation as the media gets bolder and more aggressive with their agenda. We as the media must realise that irresponsibility will cost us all and denial is not really a strategy any more.
Stephen Ndegwa
On 13/02/2008, David Aduda <daduda@nation.co.ke> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Having followed the debate on the media audit, I'm convinced there is consensus that it's important that we review how the media handled the elections, before, during and after. That is perfectly in order. What's alarming is the insistence that the government should do it, whereas there is an organisation, the Media Council, whose mandate includes checking how the media operates with a view to protect the producers and consumers of news.We've expressed our views as media practitioners about our disdain for a governmental audit and Dr Bitange knows about that. Our suggestion remains, let MCK do the audit, otherwise we'll be accused of creating institutions just to kill them.
But it must be noted vilifying the media won't do when all of us know where the problem lies. It's human to take an easy route out of a crisis. The ministry of Information and Communications must not fall into that trap.
Finally, I associate myself with a view expressed earlier by one contributor, namely, moderation in this discourse.
David Aduda Nation Media Group
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We are working towards that. We need private sector to push these developments. Government is not good in business. We can only intervene to facilitate especially the small enterprises.
Ndemo
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:22:38 To:bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables
Nothing against all the big guns establishing in Kenya but what about a long term objective of building our own version of Akamai,googles, Limelights etc.
Dont forget the real winners in the knowledge era are those who produce their own not use others. So our long term objective should be to have our own alongside others because it is a free market economy.
Eric here
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> Reply-To: michuki@swiftkenya.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:14:04 +0300
bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Good news is that Etisalat (our partners in Teams) in
Akamai are building an Internet Point of Presence (POP) in Fujaira thus eliminating long distance needs for Internet in this region.
The long term objective should be to have the likes of Akamai, Limelight and google collocating their nodes in Kenya. This will essentially keep at least 50% of our Internet traffic local.
Regards,
Michuki.
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Thank you very much.
I have heard many other media professionals talk like you just did.
Hopefully, other colleagues will accept where the media was wrong and we see how this can be mitigated in future.
I will request for the Workshop Report.
On Feb 13, 2008 12:28 PM, MediaSpeak Africa <mesafric@gmail.com> wrote:
Prior to and after elections, several media houses
became blatant in their
bias. In my opinion, some media houses were used to create a situation where one side was not supposed to lose - with dire consequences for us all if they did.
Too much MUST WIN pressure made political competition that always produces a winner and a loser, unbearable after reality. I caused some laughter when I said; "Perhaps our entire society needs lessons on how to lose, and accept it." Yes! There are many issues. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
David, neither the Government nor the Media Council should do this audit. It should be done by an independent research organization. The media council just like the ECK and other institutions have been too politicized to be objective and credible. Regards Harry African eDevelopment Resource Centre 3rd Floor, Nelleon Place Raphta Road, Westlands PO Box 49475 00100 Nairobi, Kenya Cel +254 725 650044 Land +254 20 4453445 www.africanedevelopment.org *********************************************************** February 2008 Capacity Building Opportunities VSAT Field Engineering: 5-8 Records Management: 13-15 Fiber Optics: 26-29 Book Now, Limited spaces available _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of David Aduda Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:44 AM To: harry@africanedevelopment.org Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables Dear colleagues, Having followed the debate on the media audit, I'm convinced there is consensus that it's important that we review how the media handled the elections, before, during and after. That is perfectly in order. What's alarming is the insistence that the government should do it, whereas there is an organisation, the Media Council, whose mandate includes checking how the media operates with a view to protect the producers and consumers of news.We've expressed our views as media practitioners about our disdain for a governmental audit and Dr Bitange knows about that. Our suggestion remains, let MCK do the audit, otherwise we'll be accused of creating institutions just to kill them. But it must be noted vilifying the media won't do when all of us know where the problem lies. It's human to take an easy route out of a crisis. The ministry of Information and Communications must not fall into that trap. Finally, I associate myself with a view expressed earlier by one contributor, namely, moderation in this discourse. David Aduda Nation Media Group ---------- From: kictanet-bounces+daduda=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke on behalf of bitange@jambo.co.ke Reply To: bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:36 PM To: David Aduda Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables We are working towards that. We need private sector to push these developments. Government is not good in business. We can only intervene to facilitate especially the small enterprises. Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: "Eric Osiakwan" <eric@afrispa.org> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:22:38 To:bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables Nothing against all the big guns establishing in Kenya but what about a long term objective of building our own version of Akamai,googles, Limelights etc. Dont forget the real winners in the knowledge era are those who produce their own not use others. So our long term objective should be to have our own alongside others because it is a free market economy. Eric here ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> Reply-To: michuki@swiftkenya.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:14:04 +0300
bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Good news is that Etisalat (our partners in Teams) in conjunction with Akamai are building an Internet Point of Presence (POP) in Fujaira thus eliminating long distance needs for Internet in this region.
The long term objective should be to have the likes of Akamai, Limelight and google collocating their nodes in Kenya. This will essentially keep at least 50% of our Internet traffic local.
Regards,
Michuki.
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Hello The media cant regulate itself and the government cant regulate the media. An independent body must do it and must do it in a proffesional manner and not the ECK manner. Robert On Feb 13, 2008 1:49 PM, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote:
David, neither the Government nor the Media Council should do this audit. It should be done by an independent research organization. The media council just like the ECK and other institutions have been too politicized to be objective and credible.
Regards
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*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables
Dear colleagues,
Having followed the debate on the media audit, I'm convinced there is consensus that it's important that we review how the media handled the elections, before, during and after. That is perfectly in order. What's alarming is the insistence that the government should do it, whereas there is an organisation, the Media Council, whose mandate includes checking how the media operates with a view to protect the producers and consumers of news.We've expressed our views as media practitioners about our disdain for a governmental audit and Dr Bitange knows about that. Our suggestion remains, let MCK do the audit, otherwise we'll be accused of creating institutions just to kill them.
But it must be noted vilifying the media won't do when all of us know where the problem lies. It's human to take an easy route out of a crisis. The ministry of Information and Communications must not fall into that trap.
Finally, I associate myself with a view expressed earlier by one contributor, namely, moderation in this discourse.
David Aduda Nation Media Group
---------- *From:* kictanet-bounces+daduda=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke on behalf of bitange@jambo.co.ke *Reply To:* bitange@jambo.co.ke *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:36 PM *To:* David Aduda *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables
We are working towards that. We need private sector to push these developments. Government is not good in business. We can only intervene to facilitate especially the small enterprises.
Ndemo
Sent from my BlackBerry(R)
-----Original Message----- From: "Eric Osiakwan" <eric@afrispa.org>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:22:38 To:bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables
Nothing against all the big guns establishing in Kenya but what about a long term objective of building our own version of Akamai,googles, Limelights etc.
Dont forget the real winners in the knowledge era are those who produce their own not use others. So our long term objective should be to have our own alongside others because it is a free market economy.
Eric here
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> Reply-To: michuki@swiftkenya.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:14:04 +0300
bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Good news is that Etisalat (our partners in Teams) in conjunction with Akamai are building an Internet Point of Presence (POP) in Fujaira thus eliminating long distance needs for Internet in this region.
The long term objective should be to have the likes of Akamai, Limelight and google collocating their nodes in Kenya. This will essentially keep at least 50% of our Internet traffic local.
Regards,
Michuki.
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