Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Dear e-colleagues, As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one? Jim Rege Washington, D.C Original Message: ----------------- From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about. So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja --- Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
our aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
one page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Why are we creating excuses for our so called political leaders for not showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the next day, why is this different this time? Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves please! Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:12 PM To: harry@africanedevelopment.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Dear e-colleagues, As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one? Jim Rege Washington, D.C Original Message: ----------------- From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about. So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja --- Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
our aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
one page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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My personal view is somewhat closer to Harry's. I think that it is unproffessional, patronising and disrespectful to confirm participation at an event of such stature - and then not show up. It is more an issue of holding them accountable as opposed to expecting any brilliant and illuminating ideas on how to advance the ICT sector. As mentioned in another discussion it would have been excellent and would have earned lots of mileage if one or some or all had come and simply said "we don't know what needs to be done with ICT, can you tell us?" That would have earned them no end of admiration and respect. But now they have earned the fury of a spurned ICT sector. Let them pay! Brian On May 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare wrote:
Why are we creating excuses for our so called political leaders for not showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the next day, why is this different this time?
Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves please!
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces +harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:12 PM To: harry@africanedevelopment.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Dear e-colleagues,
As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one?
Jim Rege Washington, D.C
Original Message: ----------------- From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about.
So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide
My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja
--- Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
our aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
one page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Dear All, Everybody seems to be bashing the politicians without putting into cognizance their (politicans) work schedule. Their diaries are very unpredictable and most of them would give preference to issues or functions which could attract votes or popularity. ICT in my view is not a vote attracting subject under a debate in Kenya as of now. Remember government is yet to extend ICTs to rural areas and other disadvanatged places like slums.The reason is simple given the number of people who are ICT literate or compliant in such areas. Most votes are in rural areas and slums where people have no iota of knowledge in ICT. Unless ICT is popularised first in these areas and make people ask their leaders including presidential aspirants about their blueprints on ICT, you will just be wasting your time trying to attract political leaders for an ICT debate. After all over 90 per cent of current legislators either have very basic or no knowledge of ICT after all. Good day Ken Chelimo National Coordinator Kenya Network of Telecentres Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote: My personal view is somewhat closer to Harry's. I think that it is unproffessional, patronising and disrespectful to confirm participation at an event of such stature - and then not show up. It is more an issue of holding them accountable as opposed to expecting any brilliant and illuminating ideas on how to advance the ICT sector. As mentioned in another discussion it would have been excellent and would have earned lots of mileage if one or some or all had come and simply said "we don't know what needs to be done with ICT, can you tell us?" That would have earned them no end of admiration and respect. But now they have earned the fury of a spurned ICT sector. Let them pay! Brian On May 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare wrote:
Why are we creating excuses for our so called political leaders for not showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the next day, why is this different this time?
Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves please!
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces +harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:12 PM To: harry@africanedevelopment.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Dear e-colleagues,
As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one?
Jim Rege Washington, D.C
Original Message: ----------------- From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about.
So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide
My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja
--- Judy Okite wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
our aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
one page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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* On 24/05/07 03:17 -0700, chelimo kenneth wrote: | Dear All, | | Everybody seems to be bashing the politicians without | putting into cognizance their (politicans) work schedule. Their | diaries are very unpredictable and most of them would give | preference to issues or functions which could attract votes or | popularity. ICT in my view is not a vote attracting subject under a | debate in Kenya as of now. Remember government is yet to extend ICTs | to rural areas and other disadvanatged places like slums.The reason is | simple given the number of people who are ICT literate or compliant in | such areas. Most votes are in rural areas and slums where people have | no iota of knowledge in ICT. Unless ICT is popularised first in | these areas and make people ask their leaders including presidential | aspirants about their blueprints on ICT, you will just be wasting your | time trying to attract political leaders for an ICT debate. After all | over 90 per cent of current legislators either have very basic or no | knowledge of ICT after all. Good day | | Ken Chelimo | National Coordinator | Kenya Network of Telecentres [From a list lurker] Hmm, everyone else seemed to have been looking at the same side of the coin in this (now) saga. Now we have the other side of the coin and to me, it explains all the reasons why our legislators did not "see" how they stood to benefit from the ICT debate. Chelimo has all my votes for giving a rock-solid answer as to their failure to attend. It would have been an issue if Kenya was the equivalent of India (maybe) in terms of ICT growth, and hence visibility but because it is not, we have a long way to go with the legislators. Perhaps the debate just need to be confined to the bureaucrats! cheers - wash +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post
Chelimo, The future is ICT and ICT is the future....its not something that you pray it goes away........Is it too difficult to be humble/open minded to say 'Am not all that knowledgeable,in this arena,but I would be more confortable with a discussion,since we are both going to be learning from each other,than an interview!!' In the next 7 months,one of these guys is gonig to be the President of Kenya....so as the ICT sector, what are we looking at in the next 5 years,if they do not want to mention it or as U said its not of importance? Kind Regards, On 5/24/07, chelimo kenneth <chelimoken@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
Everybody seems to be bashing the politicians without putting into cognizance their (politicans) work schedule. Their diaries are very unpredictable and most of them would give preference to issues or functions which could attract votes or popularity. ICT in my view is not a vote attracting subject under a debate in Kenya as of now. Remember government is yet to extend ICTs to rural areas and other disadvanatged places like slums.The reason is simple given the number of people who are ICT literate or compliant in such areas. Most votes are in rural areas and slums where people have no iota of knowledge in ICT. Unless ICT is popularised first in these areas and make people ask their leaders including presidential aspirants about their blueprints on ICT, you will just be wasting your time trying to attract political leaders for an ICT debate. After all over 90 per cent of current legislators either have very basic or no knowledge of ICT after all. Good day
Ken Chelimo National Coordinator Kenya Network of Telecentres
*Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl>* wrote:
My personal view is somewhat closer to Harry's. I think that it is unproffessional, patronising and disrespectful to confirm participation at an event of such stature - and then not show up.
It is more an issue of holding them accountable as opposed to expecting any brilliant and illuminating ideas on how to advance the ICT sector. As mentioned in another discussion it would have been excellent and would have earned lots of mileage if one or some or all had come and simply said "we don't know what needs to be done with ICT, can you tell us?" That would have earned them no end of admiration and respect.
But now they have earned the fury of a spurned ICT sector. Let them pay!
Brian
On May 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare wrote:
Why are we creating excuses for our so called political leaders for not showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the next day, why is this different this time?
Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves please!
Harry
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Dear e-colleagues,
As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one?
Jim Rege Washington, D.C
Original Message: ----------------- From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about.
So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide
My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja
--- Judy Okite wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
our aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
one page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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* On 24/05/07 13:42 +0300, Judy Okite wrote: | Chelimo, | | The future is ICT and ICT is the future....its not something that you pray | it goes away........Is it too difficult to be humble/open minded to say 'Am | not all that knowledgeable,in this arena,but I would be more confortable | with a discussion,since we are both going to be learning from each | other,than an interview!!' | In the next 7 months,one of these guys is gonig to be the President of | Kenya....so as the ICT sector, what are we looking at in the next 5 years,if | they do not want to mention it or as U said its not of importance? From where I sit, I've always thought that politicians don't run the country, but rather the advisors (the bureaucrats). The bureaucrats work on the policy papers, and the implementation! Let's look at it this way: Whenever the country's CEO reshuffles the cabinet, does s/he take into consideration any qualifications the ministers posses, as to put them in charge of some ministry? The answer is NO. It's all political expediency. It's with this in mind that I still support Chelimo. Politicians will only go for something that will yield political mileage - aka votes. I do take cognizance of the fact that the buck stops with the CEO, but I also believe, as a matter of fact, that whatever speeches I hear from CEO or his horde of lieutenants are normally not from their minds but those of the bureaucrats. I recently heard that Kenya, Malaysia and S.Korea were economic age-mates at some point. What I did not hear are the finer details of what was being used in the comparison, and even if there was any that I missed, I seriously doubt it would boil down to ICT. It would be "general economy". I may be losing course, but I still believe that it is not the country's CEO who sits down to lay down the fine details of the ingredients that will make the economy grow, if not jump. There must be a different way of approaching this, which is different than calling the aspirants of that office to a "small" (sic!) debate on ICT:-) I am tempted to ask Dr. Ndemo about the levels at which such decisions as facilitating ICT growth are made in govt., and at what juncture. Is the president the chief decision maker or just the person whose "goodwill" makes things move? Did we invite H.E. The President for the debate as well, given he's one of the aspirants? Did he confirm attendance? I'd yell at the top of my voice if he did, and failed to turn up, because I know it is possible, within the next 6 months, for him to put in place policies towards growing the ICT field, which we can then use to gauge the performance of future leaders. cheers - wash +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post
On 5/24/07, Odhiambo WASHINGTON <wash@wananchi.com> wrote:
I am tempted to ask Dr. Ndemo about the levels at which such decisions as facilitating ICT growth are made in govt., and at what juncture. Is the president the chief decision maker or just the person whose "goodwill" makes things move?
For those who appreciate British humour...Sir Humphrey tries to explain the levels and roles in Govt thus......quoted verbatim... Jim Hacker: "Humphrey, do you see it as part of your job to help Ministers make fools of themselves?" Sir Humphrey: "Well, I never met one that needed any help! The traditional allocation of executive responsibilities has always been so determined as to liberate the ministerial incumbent from the administrative minutiae by devolving the managerial functions to those whose experience and qualifications have better formed them for the performance of such humble offices, thereby releasing their political overlords for the more onerous duties and profound deliberations which are the inevitable concomitant of their exalted position." The PS is thus referred by title 'CMG' - call me god. The minister has the title 'KCMG' - kindly call me god. Then ultimately the Prime Minister title is 'GCMG' - god calls me god. For more juice... <http://www.yes-minister.com/episodes.htm>
--- Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
In the next 7 months,one of these guys is gonig to be the President of Kenya....
Judy- at the risk of sparking off a NON-ICT debate...I can't help saying that the above statement maybe a little bit premature...but Otherwise I do agree with the rest of your submission. walu. --- Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Chelimo,
The future is ICT and ICT is the future....its not something that you pray it goes away........Is it too difficult to be humble/open minded to say 'Am not all that knowledgeable,in this arena,but I would be more confortable with a discussion,since we are both going to be learning from each other,than an interview!!' In the next 7 months,one of these guys is gonig to be the President of Kenya... .so as the ICT sector, what are we looking at in the next 5 years,if they do not want to mention it or as U said its not of importance?
Kind Regards,
On 5/24/07, chelimo kenneth <chelimoken@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All,
Everybody seems to be bashing the politicians without
cognizance their (politicans) work schedule. Their diaries are very unpredictable and most of them would give preference to issues or functions which could attract votes or popularity. ICT in my view is not a vote attracting subject under a debate in Kenya as of now. Remember government is yet to extend ICTs to rural areas and other disadvanatged places like slums.The reason is simple given the number of people who are ICT literate or compliant in such areas. Most votes are in rural areas and slums where people have no iota of knowledge in ICT. Unless ICT is popularised first in these areas and make people ask their leaders including presidential aspirants about their blueprints on ICT, you will just be wasting your time trying to attract political leaders for an ICT debate. After all over 90 per cent of current legislators either have very basic or no knowledge of ICT after all. Good day
Ken Chelimo National Coordinator Kenya Network of Telecentres
*Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl>* wrote:
My personal view is somewhat closer to Harry's. I think
unproffessional, patronising and disrespectful to confirm participation at an event of such stature - and then not show up.
It is more an issue of holding them accountable as opposed to expecting any brilliant and illuminating ideas on how to advance the ICT sector. As mentioned in another discussion it would have been excellent and would have earned lots of mileage if one or some or all had come and simply said "we don't know what needs to be done with ICT, can you tell us?" That would have earned them no end of admiration and respect.
But now they have earned the fury of a spurned ICT sector. Let them pay!
Brian
On May 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare wrote:
Why are we creating excuses for our so called
not showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the next day, why is this different this time?
Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves
putting into that it is political leaders for please!
Harry
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[mailto:kictanet-bounces +harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:12 PM To: harry@africanedevelopment.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Dear e-colleagues,
As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one?
Jim Rege Washington, D.C
Original Message: ----------------- From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about.
So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide
My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja
--- Judy Okite wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
for a
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
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Hi Kenneth, While I can understand your sympathy as an alternative point of view - one thing I cannot do is accept it as a reason for the no-show. If your diary is full you simply do not make appointments - least of all confirm participation - or say "I am only 20 minutes away". In addition I can assure that not even one of them was dealing with any rural issue, nor concerned with the slum constituency or other "disadvantaged" areas. I can almost guarantee you this..... Let me ask this entire list a question - and please excuse if I'm the only one who sees it this way. Why is it only during election period that the "wannabe" presidents talk (and get other people to talk) about the poor, underprivileged and disadvantaged? No excuse - mark my use of the strong language - no excuse for lack of etiquette, professionalism and integrity. I think that as KICTANET we should contact each one of them and ask them what they intend to do about the broken date. Brian On May 24, 2007, at 1:17 PM, chelimo kenneth wrote:
Dear All,
Everybody seems to be bashing the politicians without putting into cognizance their (politicans) work schedule. Their diaries are very unpredictable and most of them would give preference to issues or functions which could attract votes or popularity. ICT in my view is not a vote attracting subject under a debate in Kenya as of now. Remember government is yet to extend ICTs to rural areas and other disadvanatged places like slums.The reason is simple given the number of people who are ICT literate or compliant in such areas. Most votes are in rural areas and slums where people have no iota of knowledge in ICT. Unless ICT is popularised first in these areas and make people ask their leaders including presidential aspirants about their blueprints on ICT, you will just be wasting your time trying to attract political leaders for an ICT debate. After all over 90 per cent of current legislators either have very basic or no knowledge of ICT after all. Good day
Ken Chelimo National Coordinator Kenya Network of Telecentres
Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote: My personal view is somewhat closer to Harry's. I think that it is unproffessional, patronising and disrespectful to confirm participation at an event of such stature - and then not show up.
It is more an issue of holding them accountable as opposed to expecting any brilliant and illuminating ideas on how to advance the ICT sector. As mentioned in another discussion it would have been excellent and would have earned lots of mileage if one or some or all had come and simply said "we don't know what needs to be done with ICT, can you tell us?" That would have earned them no end of admiration and respect.
But now they have earned the fury of a spurned ICT sector. Let them pay!
Brian
On May 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare wrote:
Why are we creating excuses for our so called political leaders for not showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the next day, why is this different this time?
Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves please!
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces +harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:12 PM To: harry@africanedevelopment.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Dear e-colleagues,
As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one?
Jim Rege Washington, D.C
Original Message: ----------------- From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about.
So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide
My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja
--- Judy Okite wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
our aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
one page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Brian, Let me ask this entire list a question - and please excuse if I'm the only one who sees it this way. Why is it only during election period that the "wannabe" presidents talk (and get other people to talk) about the poor, underprivileged and disadvantaged? My answer would be, First: Because of sympathy votes Secondly: poor, underprivileged and disadvantaged are 'soft spot' of the community,I dont think there is anyone who wouldnt be moved,if you touched on their 'soft spot' and promised some haven. Kind Regards, On 5/24/07, Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote:
Hi Kenneth, While I can understand your sympathy as an alternative point of view - one thing I cannot do is accept it as a reason for the no-show.
If your diary is full you simply do not make appointments - least of all confirm participation - or say "I am only 20 minutes away".
In addition I can assure that not even one of them was dealing with any rural issue, nor concerned with the slum constituency or other "disadvantaged" areas. I can almost guarantee you this.....
Let me ask this entire list a question - and please excuse if I'm the only one who sees it this way. Why is it only during election period that the "wannabe" presidents talk (and get other people to talk) about the poor, underprivileged and disadvantaged?
No excuse - mark my use of the strong language - no excuse for lack of etiquette, professionalism and integrity.
I think that as KICTANET we should contact each one of them and ask them what they intend to do about the broken date.
Brian
On May 24, 2007, at 1:17 PM, chelimo kenneth wrote:
Dear All,
Everybody seems to be bashing the politicians without putting into cognizance their (politicans) work schedule. Their diaries are very unpredictable and most of them would give preference to issues or functions which could attract votes or popularity. ICT in my view is not a vote attracting subject under a debate in Kenya as of now. Remember government is yet to extend ICTs to rural areas and other disadvanatged places like slums.The reason is simple given the number of people who are ICT literate or compliant in such areas. Most votes are in rural areas and slums where people have no iota of knowledge in ICT. Unless ICT is popularised first in these areas and make people ask their leaders including presidential aspirants about their blueprints on ICT, you will just be wasting your time trying to attract political leaders for an ICT debate. After all over 90 per cent of current legislators either have very basic or no knowledge of ICT after all. Good day
Ken Chelimo National Coordinator Kenya Network of Telecentres
*Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl>* wrote:
My personal view is somewhat closer to Harry's. I think that it is unproffessional, patronising and disrespectful to confirm participation at an event of such stature - and then not show up.
It is more an issue of holding them accountable as opposed to expecting any brilliant and illuminating ideas on how to advance the ICT sector. As mentioned in another discussion it would have been excellent and would have earned lots of mileage if one or some or all had come and simply said "we don't know what needs to be done with ICT, can you tell us?" That would have earned them no end of admiration and respect.
But now they have earned the fury of a spurned ICT sector. Let them pay!
Brian
On May 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare wrote:
Why are we creating excuses for our so called political leaders for not showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the next day, why is this different this time?
Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves please!
Harry
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As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one?
Jim Rege Washington, D.C
Original Message: ----------------- From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about.
So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide
My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja
--- Judy Okite wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
our aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
one page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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i agree with Brian, we should seek dialogue and just because things have been done that way in the past, it does not mean we should accept it that arguement that ICT does not have votes for them is untenable, we are people who vote, besides, we have always asked our leaders to address issues and pursue certain ideologies, by accepting that its ok for them not to turn up on that day, what do we expect my grandmother in the village to do? i think its time we demanded better returns for our money, we want them to be accountable, then we should start, change comes from within........ Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote: Hi Kenneth, While I can understand your sympathy as an alternative point of view - one thing I cannot do is accept it as a reason for the no-show. If your diary is full you simply do not make appointments - least of all confirm participation - or say "I am only 20 minutes away". In addition I can assure that not even one of them was dealing with any rural issue, nor concerned with the slum constituency or other "disadvantaged" areas. I can almost guarantee you this..... Let me ask this entire list a question - and please excuse if I'm the only one who sees it this way. Why is it only during election period that the "wannabe" presidents talk (and get other people to talk) about the poor, underprivileged and disadvantaged? No excuse - mark my use of the strong language - no excuse for lack of etiquette, professionalism and integrity. I think that as KICTANET we should contact each one of them and ask them what they intend to do about the broken date. Brian On May 24, 2007, at 1:17 PM, chelimo kenneth wrote: Dear All, Everybody seems to be bashing the politicians without putting into cognizance their (politicans) work schedule. Their diaries are very unpredictable and most of them would give preference to issues or functions which could attract votes or popularity. ICT in my view is not a vote attracting subject under a debate in Kenya as of now. Remember government is yet to extend ICTs to rural areas and other disadvanatged places like slums.The reason is simple given the number of people who are ICT literate or compliant in such areas. Most votes are in rural areas and slums where people have no iota of knowledge in ICT. Unless ICT is popularised first in these areas and make people ask their leaders including presidential aspirants about their blueprints on ICT, you will just be wasting your time trying to attract political leaders for an ICT debate. After all over 90 per cent of current legislators either have very basic or no knowledge of ICT after all. Good day Ken Chelimo National Coordinator Kenya Network of Telecentres Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote: My personal view is somewhat closer to Harry's. I think that it is unproffessional, patronising and disrespectful to confirm participation at an event of such stature - and then not show up. It is more an issue of holding them accountable as opposed to expecting any brilliant and illuminating ideas on how to advance the ICT sector. As mentioned in another discussion it would have been excellent and would have earned lots of mileage if one or some or all had come and simply said "we don't know what needs to be done with ICT, can you tell us?" That would have earned them no end of admiration and respect. But now they have earned the fury of a spurned ICT sector. Let them pay! Brian On May 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare wrote:
Why are we creating excuses for our so called political leaders for not showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the next day, why is this different this time?
Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves please!
Harry
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Dear e-colleagues,
As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one?
Jim Rege Washington, D.C
Original Message: ----------------- From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about.
So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide
My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja
--- Judy Okite wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
our aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
one page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Becky and Brian: I am with you on this, those expecting to lead us should do their homework and ignorance is not an excuse even in law! ICT affects all Kenyans and if the digital divide is to be eliminated then we need these leaders to articulate their visions, and if they havent given it a thought then we surely need to give them a nudge instead of sitting back and feeling slighted. Well, I do have a voters card and every vote counts, so let no-one sell us short because our individual votes do add up! LK
i agree with Brian, we should seek dialogue and just because things have been done that way in the past, it does not mean we should accept it that arguement that ICT does not have votes for them is untenable, we are people who vote,
besides, we have always asked our leaders to address issues and pursue certain ideologies, by accepting that its ok for them not to turn up on that day, what do we expect my grandmother in the village to do?
i think its time we demanded better returns for our money, we want them to be accountable, then we should start,
change comes from within........
Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote: Hi Kenneth,
While I can understand your sympathy as an alternative point of view - one thing I cannot do is accept it as a reason for the no-show.
If your diary is full you simply do not make appointments - least of all confirm participation - or say "I am only 20 minutes away".
In addition I can assure that not even one of them was dealing with any rural issue, nor concerned with the slum constituency or other "disadvantaged" areas. I can almost guarantee you this.....
Let me ask this entire list a question - and please excuse if I'm the only one who sees it this way. Why is it only during election period that the "wannabe" presidents talk (and get other people to talk) about the poor, underprivileged and disadvantaged?
No excuse - mark my use of the strong language - no excuse for lack of etiquette, professionalism and integrity.
I think that as KICTANET we should contact each one of them and ask them what they intend to do about the broken date.
Brian
On May 24, 2007, at 1:17 PM, chelimo kenneth wrote:
Dear All,
Everybody seems to be bashing the politicians without putting into cognizance their (politicans) work schedule. Their diaries are very unpredictable and most of them would give preference to issues or functions which could attract votes or popularity. ICT in my view is not a vote attracting subject under a debate in Kenya as of now. Remember government is yet to extend ICTs to rural areas and other disadvanatged places like slums.The reason is simple given the number of people who are ICT literate or compliant in such areas. Most votes are in rural areas and slums where people have no iota of knowledge in ICT. Unless ICT is popularised first in these areas and make people ask their leaders including presidential aspirants about their blueprints on ICT, you will just be wasting your time trying to attract political leaders for an ICT debate. After all over 90 per cent of current legislators either have very basic or no knowledge of ICT after all. Good day
Ken Chelimo National Coordinator Kenya Network of Telecentres
Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote: My personal view is somewhat closer to Harry's. I think that it is unproffessional, patronising and disrespectful to confirm participation at an event of such stature - and then not show up.
It is more an issue of holding them accountable as opposed to expecting any brilliant and illuminating ideas on how to advance the ICT sector. As mentioned in another discussion it would have been excellent and would have earned lots of mileage if one or some or all had come and simply said "we don't know what needs to be done with ICT, can you tell us?" That would have earned them no end of admiration and respect.
But now they have earned the fury of a spurned ICT sector. Let them pay!
Brian
On May 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare wrote:
Why are we creating excuses for our so called political leaders for not showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the next day, why is this different this time?
Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves please!
Harry
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As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one?
Jim Rege Washington, D.C
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Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about.
So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide
My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja
--- Judy Okite wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
our aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
one page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Ignorance would too mild a description. If we agreed to "understand" their inability to comprehend ICTs, how then could anyone expect them to legislate on ICT consumer protection? At stake is not just techies' votes, unless 8 million mobile and 3 million internet users votes also do not matter. More serioulsy, should we be expected to remain mum while they forfeit their legislative duties? Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote: Becky and Brian: I am with you on this, those expecting to lead us should do their homework and ignorance is not an excuse even in law! ICT affects all Kenyans and if the digital divide is to be eliminated then we need these leaders to articulate their visions, and if they havent given it a thought then we surely need to give them a nudge instead of sitting back and feeling slighted. Well, I do have a voters card and every vote counts, so let no-one sell us short because our individual votes do add up! LK
i agree with Brian, we should seek dialogue and just because things have been done that way in the past, it does not mean we should accept it that arguement that ICT does not have votes for them is untenable, we are people who vote,
besides, we have always asked our leaders to address issues and pursue certain ideologies, by accepting that its ok for them not to turn up on that day, what do we expect my grandmother in the village to do?
i think its time we demanded better returns for our money, we want them to be accountable, then we should start,
change comes from within........
Brian Longwe wrote: Hi Kenneth,
While I can understand your sympathy as an alternative point of view - one thing I cannot do is accept it as a reason for the no-show.
If your diary is full you simply do not make appointments - least of all confirm participation - or say "I am only 20 minutes away".
In addition I can assure that not even one of them was dealing with any rural issue, nor concerned with the slum constituency or other "disadvantaged" areas. I can almost guarantee you this.....
Let me ask this entire list a question - and please excuse if I'm the only one who sees it this way. Why is it only during election period that the "wannabe" presidents talk (and get other people to talk) about the poor, underprivileged and disadvantaged?
No excuse - mark my use of the strong language - no excuse for lack of etiquette, professionalism and integrity.
I think that as KICTANET we should contact each one of them and ask them what they intend to do about the broken date.
Brian
On May 24, 2007, at 1:17 PM, chelimo kenneth wrote:
Dear All,
Everybody seems to be bashing the politicians without putting into cognizance their (politicans) work schedule. Their diaries are very unpredictable and most of them would give preference to issues or functions which could attract votes or popularity. ICT in my view is not a vote attracting subject under a debate in Kenya as of now. Remember government is yet to extend ICTs to rural areas and other disadvanatged places like slums.The reason is simple given the number of people who are ICT literate or compliant in such areas. Most votes are in rural areas and slums where people have no iota of knowledge in ICT. Unless ICT is popularised first in these areas and make people ask their leaders including presidential aspirants about their blueprints on ICT, you will just be wasting your time trying to attract political leaders for an ICT debate. After all over 90 per cent of current legislators either have very basic or no knowledge of ICT after all. Good day
Ken Chelimo National Coordinator Kenya Network of Telecentres
Brian Longwe wrote: My personal view is somewhat closer to Harry's. I think that it is unproffessional, patronising and disrespectful to confirm participation at an event of such stature - and then not show up.
It is more an issue of holding them accountable as opposed to expecting any brilliant and illuminating ideas on how to advance the ICT sector. As mentioned in another discussion it would have been excellent and would have earned lots of mileage if one or some or all had come and simply said "we don't know what needs to be done with ICT, can you tell us?" That would have earned them no end of admiration and respect.
But now they have earned the fury of a spurned ICT sector. Let them pay!
Brian
On May 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare wrote:
Why are we creating excuses for our so called political leaders for not showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the next day, why is this different this time?
Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves please!
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces +harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:12 PM To: harry@africanedevelopment.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Dear e-colleagues,
As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one?
Jim Rege Washington, D.C
Original Message: ----------------- From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about.
So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide
My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja
--- Judy Okite wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani wrote:
All,
I am just venting on the dismal performance of
candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions let alone those aspiring for the same confirm
certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this behavior, and I am at a loss!
Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives
and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a testament to how important we feel ICT to be to
our aspiring presidential their attendance to a the country.
I am one for making strong statements, and a
displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT would be in order! I am sure if it was one of
one page ad expressing our those meetings where fans
are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more from our politicians!
Just my thoughts!
LK
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Alex, You are absolutely correct!!! 11 million votes could be at stake! The other day somebody suggested that God needs to revise his database of lies otherwise majority of us will have express tickets to you know where!!! Imagine how many of us have said "I am X minute from you" on our ICT enabled devices, when in truth you are about Xx2/3 minutes away. Perhaps MJ and Kai could let us tell a "white" lie by spaming their users with ICT related campaigns:-) Yours truly Troublemaker LK
Ignorance would too mild a description. If we agreed to "understand" their inability to comprehend ICTs, how then could anyone expect them to legislate on ICT consumer protection? At stake is not just techies' votes, unless 8 million mobile and 3 million internet users votes also do not matter. More serioulsy, should we be expected to remain mum while they forfeit their legislative duties?
Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke> wrote: Becky and Brian:
I am with you on this, those expecting to lead us should do their homework and ignorance is not an excuse even in law! ICT affects all Kenyans and if the digital divide is to be eliminated then we need these leaders to articulate their visions, and if they havent given it a thought then we surely need to give them a nudge instead of sitting back and feeling slighted.
Well, I do have a voters card and every vote counts, so let no-one sell us short because our individual votes do add up!
LK
i agree with Brian, we should seek dialogue and just because things have been done that way in the past, it does not mean we should accept it that arguement that ICT does not have votes for them is untenable, we are people who vote,
besides, we have always asked our leaders to address issues and pursue certain ideologies, by accepting that its ok for them not to turn up on that day, what do we expect my grandmother in the village to do?
i think its time we demanded better returns for our money, we want them to be accountable, then we should start,
change comes from within........
Brian Longwe wrote: Hi Kenneth,
While I can understand your sympathy as an alternative point of view - one thing I cannot do is accept it as a reason for the no-show.
If your diary is full you simply do not make appointments - least of all confirm participation - or say "I am only 20 minutes away".
In addition I can assure that not even one of them was dealing with any rural issue, nor concerned with the slum constituency or other "disadvantaged" areas. I can almost guarantee you this.....
Let me ask this entire list a question - and please excuse if I'm the only one who sees it this way. Why is it only during election period that the "wannabe" presidents talk (and get other people to talk) about the poor, underprivileged and disadvantaged?
No excuse - mark my use of the strong language - no excuse for lack of etiquette, professionalism and integrity.
I think that as KICTANET we should contact each one of them and ask them what they intend to do about the broken date.
Brian
On May 24, 2007, at 1:17 PM, chelimo kenneth wrote:
Dear All,
Everybody seems to be bashing the politicians without putting into cognizance their (politicans) work schedule. Their diaries are very unpredictable and most of them would give preference to issues or functions which could attract votes or popularity. ICT in my view is not a vote attracting subject under a debate in Kenya as of now. Remember government is yet to extend ICTs to rural areas and other disadvanatged places like slums.The reason is simple given the number of people who are ICT literate or compliant in such areas. Most votes are in rural areas and slums where people have no iota of knowledge in ICT. Unless ICT is popularised first in these areas and make people ask their leaders including presidential aspirants about their blueprints on ICT, you will just be wasting your time trying to attract political leaders for an ICT debate. After all over 90 per cent of current legislators either have very basic or no knowledge of ICT after all. Good day
Ken Chelimo National Coordinator Kenya Network of Telecentres
Brian Longwe wrote: My personal view is somewhat closer to Harry's. I think that it is unproffessional, patronising and disrespectful to confirm participation at an event of such stature - and then not show up.
It is more an issue of holding them accountable as opposed to expecting any brilliant and illuminating ideas on how to advance the ICT sector. As mentioned in another discussion it would have been excellent and would have earned lots of mileage if one or some or all had come and simply said "we don't know what needs to be done with ICT, can you tell us?" That would have earned them no end of admiration and respect.
But now they have earned the fury of a spurned ICT sector. Let them pay!
Brian
On May 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare wrote:
Why are we creating excuses for our so called political leaders for not showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the next day, why is this different this time?
Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves please!
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces +harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:12 PM To: harry@africanedevelopment.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Dear e-colleagues,
As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come but they found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them closer. As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid public embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first with them to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore agree with Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder than the Kigali's one?
Jim Rege Washington, D.C
Original Message: ----------------- From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Judy, My concept was we use a more friendly approach and remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on a subject you are not confident about.
So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective being to bring them up to speed and more confident on this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they will use ICT on their campaign trails countrywide
My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy price to pay later on. Cheers. Kanja
--- Judy Okite wrote:
Kanja,
This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are we talking about? a one-on-one based conversation? how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the day....how does your 'scream' come out? "He told me so?" Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!
Kind Regards,
On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru wrote:
Dear All, Let me comment on this debate.
Its obvious that the main reason why our 'guests' didn't show up was that the subject matter was to sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their ignorance in front of the cameras.
My suggestion is we should invite them back not
press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on ICT issues. Regards. Kanja.
--- Alex Gakuru wrote:
I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to involve legislators in ICT but we are not afraid to critise them if and whenever
fail us terribly. Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?
Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the digital age where the politicans usually show off fancy communication gadgets.... considering the effort everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng. Rege's preparations input contribution and his early arrival.
...and these politicians are always so harsh at criticizing others yet when they are called to state their vision they all chicken out. They deserve a thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they caused to the country and the tuned in world which now has a better understanding of the political protagonists qualities.
But interesting questions were being asked in your view of your absence yesterday:-
1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst information-deprived rural people? 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT
3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means
"stupid"? 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in Hon. Kaparo's ICT-compliant parliament? 5. What and how else could the network deliver
politicians into the ICT world?
It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content challenges into an opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always busy destroying old content because of storage problems...." (ask the media houses to for the content and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)
Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless access point built using ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....
Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and notable patient press who chose to stay on despite politicians failing to turn up. Cover more stor
October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of high level ICT leadership but fortunately the last year gazetted policy speaks of protecting this (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am obliged to thank President Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership
for a they projects? poor or these the
successive ICT directives in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )
So, I give credit where it is due?
Alex Gakuru
On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani wrote: > > All, > > I am just venting on the dismal performance of our aspiring presidential > candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in leadershipship positions > let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their attendance to a > certain function and then not show up or best case scenario show up 2-3 > hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans accept this > behavior, and I am at a loss! > > Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to start demanding > accountability in that when one says they will attend a function then they > should keep to their word, after all why are electing people whose word > doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also have busy work lives > > and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were doing to sit down > to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about ICT is a > testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the country. > > I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad expressing our > displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared of facing a > serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of them stands in ICT > would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those meetings where fans > are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is asking any serious > questions they probably would show up, we need to start demanding more > from our politicians! > > Just my thoughts! > > LK > > > ----------------------------------------- > This email was sent using Communicatons Solutions LTD WebMail. > " " > http://www.accesskenya.com/ > >
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participants (11)
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Alex Gakuru -
Bill Kagai -
Brian Longwe -
chelimo kenneth -
Harry Hare -
jamesrege＠africaonline.co.ke -
John Walubengo -
Judy Okite -
Lucy Kimani -
Odhiambo WASHINGTON -
Rebecca Wanjiku