Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7
Hey Liko, Dennis, Ali, Please do not blame the IEBC their core role was to ensure this elections happen, which have happened. When speak about the quality of their delivery, are there standards that outline fit for purpose, like we see a KEBS sticker? As it is an Independent Board the right people would have been placed for such important jobs, as we say right people doing the wrong jobs. The results are evident, we have every procurement decision questioned by the public, the systems in place have been failing, let's look at the root of the issue and not delivery, to provide a lasting solution. When will the ICT world learn how to manage failure better, the rest of the industries do it elegantly, look at the Banks and finance house, but we still trust them with our cash, the Mobile Network Operators drop calls all the time we still pay them to provide us with a sub-standard service. My point here simple let us together define the right IT fit for purpose policy from the Scoping of new systems to the final acceptance of these systems, it will limit some of the innovations we have seen, but it will also deliver some surety. The IEBC official only fault was that they were too busy being biased and favouring certain companies and individuals rather than looking and the requirements and scope and being prudent about their delivery. I am sure they will claim lack of time, but it is down to good project management and operational practices that could have been put in place. They were all enjoying their new found material wealth after the BVR procurement windfall, including gym memberships, new cars etc. etc. It is an opportunity of a life time for the officials who are protected by the law and will get away with the failure to leave behind a legacy of a successful and peaceful elections, have I said this to early, let's wait for a few more days and see how the political system sets the tone for Economic progress, I believe if all play our part Kenya has a real opportunity to set the pace Africa wide purely from a ICT stand point. Thanks Best Regards, Baiju Shah -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+baiju=tele2media.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 06 March 2013 10:20 To: Baiju Shah Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner@lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Has the ICT Sector Failed? (Agosta Liko) 2. Re: Results Transmission System (Dorcas Muthoni) 3. Re: Has the ICT Sector Failed? (Roland Omoresemi) 4. Re: Has the ICT Sector Failed? (Agosta Liko) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 10:12:12 +0300 From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> To: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Message-ID: <CAAgAc796W5jrv_yHCVuX8n=ADRGN0ZEcX-jRrt8126kkf6Aduw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dennis You are speculating ... about skills etc etc Unless you have insider information from IEBC ... and in that case am sure you would publish On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
How long will government agencies continue to be dumbfounded by IT systems? The same way we have a CIRT, it's time to have a group of revolving IT experts that can help troubleshoot government agencies when in technical trouble, from KNEC servers to IEBC servers.
Seems IT officers hired here are usually not that skilled or experienced in such challenges. I'm sure they would learn if they had experts and skilled guys seconded to them.
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Hi Baiju, I disagree - election cannot be said to have happened until the PROCESS IS COMPLETE. This involves not only collecting the votes, but counting, tallying and reporting. So far I would say only 30% of the process has transpired. We need delivery of the rest. IEBC (in their own words) have admitted technical glitches and (by their actions) have dumped the electronic tallying system. Is it wrong for us to ask why? Is it wrong for us to ask what went wrong? Is it wrong for us to ask who was involved? Is it wrong for us to ask how this was planned and executed? Brian On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Baiju Shah <baiju@tele2media.com> wrote:
Hey Liko, Dennis, Ali,
Please do not blame the IEBC their core role was to ensure this elections happen, which have happened.
When speak about the quality of their delivery, are there standards that outline fit for purpose, like we see a KEBS sticker? As it is an Independent Board the right people would have been placed for such important jobs, as we say right people doing the wrong jobs. The results are evident, we have every procurement decision questioned by the public, the systems in place have been failing, let's look at the root of the issue and not delivery, to provide a lasting solution.
When will the ICT world learn how to manage failure better, the rest of the industries do it elegantly, look at the Banks and finance house, but we still trust them with our cash, the Mobile Network Operators drop calls all the time we still pay them to provide us with a sub-standard service. My point here simple let us together define the right IT fit for purpose policy from the Scoping of new systems to the final acceptance of these systems, it will limit some of the innovations we have seen, but it will also deliver some surety.
The IEBC official only fault was that they were too busy being biased and favouring certain companies and individuals rather than looking and the requirements and scope and being prudent about their delivery. I am sure they will claim lack of time, but it is down to good project management and operational practices that could have been put in place. They were all enjoying their new found material wealth after the BVR procurement windfall, including gym memberships, new cars etc. etc. It is an opportunity of a life time for the officials who are protected by the law and will get away with the failure to leave behind a legacy of a successful and peaceful elections, have I said this to early, let's wait for a few more days and see how the political system sets the tone for Economic progress, I believe if all play our part Kenya has a real opportunity to set the pace Africa wide purely from a ICT stand point.
Thanks
Best Regards, Baiju Shah
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Has the ICT Sector Failed? (Agosta Liko) 2. Re: Results Transmission System (Dorcas Muthoni) 3. Re: Has the ICT Sector Failed? (Roland Omoresemi) 4. Re: Has the ICT Sector Failed? (Agosta Liko)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 10:12:12 +0300 From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> To: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Message-ID: <CAAgAc796W5jrv_yHCVuX8n= ADRGN0ZEcX-jRrt8126kkf6Aduw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dennis
You are speculating ... about skills etc etc
Unless you have insider information from IEBC ... and in that case am sure you would publish
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
How long will government agencies continue to be dumbfounded by IT systems? The same way we have a CIRT, it's time to have a group of revolving IT experts that can help troubleshoot government agencies when in technical trouble, from KNEC servers to IEBC servers.
Seems IT officers hired here are usually not that skilled or experienced in such challenges. I'm sure they would learn if they had experts and skilled guys seconded to them.
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