New subject: Brazilians Locked out of WhatsApp

2 Mar 2016

      Happy Ladies Day!

A query 

Could we have a Kenyan WApp (herein all this new digital tools and Apps), so that when time of legal reckoning comes incase anything goes wrong as it sometimes does, then the Kenyan rules apply not USA or Hague which would be out of reach and too complex. Or on the other hand the providers are obligated to have Kenyan guidelines.

This may seem to be a very complex deman on face value for the Investors and Kenya may be deemed "not investor friendly legally", however imagine the mess when we have a mass of Kenyans under US laws or other jurisdiction and the cases are due to be handled there. While aware this is how most business do it, this sounds like another route for (business) colonialism. The digital age has opened up many people to legal provisions that they are not even aware of, which they are not capable of handling - financially, intellectually.

A greater concern is that we sign up for applications with standard terms and conditions - to which there is no option to opt out from and still enjoy the services.

Blessed day.

Regards/Wangari

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On Wed, 2/3/16, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Brazilians Locked out of WhatsApp
 To: wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk
 Cc: "Mwendwa Kivuva" <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
 Date: Wednesday, 2 March, 2016, 9:44

 So this
 story has taken a new dimension. 
 http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0W34WF
 Brazilian police arrested a senior Facebook Inc
 executive on Tuesday as a dispute escalated over a
 court's demand that the company provide data from its
 WhatsApp messaging service to help in a secretive
 drug-trafficking investigation.
 Court officials in Sergipe state confirmed that
 a judge had ordered the jailing of Facebook Vice President
 for Latin America Diego Dzodan. Federal police in Sao Paulo
 state said he was being held there for questioning.
 On Dec 18, 2015 3:53
 AM, "Lawrence Njogu via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
 wrote:

 Case in point
 .. http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Africa-at-risk-as-rich-nations-plot-new-deal/-/...

 Date: Thu, 17 Dec
 2015 19:32:41 -0500
 Subject: Re: [kictanet]
 Brazilians Locked out of WhatsApp
 From: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
 CC: lnjogu@hotmail.com
 To: lnjogu@hotmail.com

 The Safe Harbor principles
 cover your use case, other very complicated ones. They
 provide guidance and decisions
 on the adequacy of the protection of personal data when it is transferred
 to other countries
 Google uses very complex methods of data storage
 and security including obfuscation methods i.e they
 do not
 keep all of your files in one place but splits them up and
 stores them on multiple files on several machines in
 different locations & territories. That is why it is
 important to have  renewed
 and sound framework for transatlantic data
 flows.
 Since
 technology trends are always ahead of the curve,
 it
 is our mandate to help our regulators and governments to
 come up with policies and framework that protect our
 interests.

 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:28:58
 +0300
 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Brazilians
 Locked out of WhatsApp
 From: ngigi@at.co.ke
 To: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
 CC: lnjogu@hotmail.com

                                                        Lawrence,
 I
 think is a bit deeper if you scratch the surface a
 little...
 Suppose
 you have a company domiciled in US, which sets up an
 application hosted in servers‎  in Irelend which is then
 accessed by a user in Kenya through a browser.
 Suppose
 GoK wants data the Kenyan user has stored in the servers in
 Ireland and which, let's assume, has very strict laws‎
 on user privacy, how would GoK go about it?

                               ‎Also,
 technically, when a user accesses an application hosted in a
 server through a browser, is the application running, as per
 our example, in Kenya / Ireland?

                                Waithaka Ngigi
 ‎
 Alliance Technologies
 www.at.co.ke          

            From: Lawrence Njogu via
 kictanetSent: Thursday, December 17, 2015
 9:27 PMTo: Ngigi
 WaithakaReply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy
 DiscussionsCc: Lawrence
 NjoguSubject: Re: [kictanet] Brazilians
 Locked out of
 WhatsApp

 Ebele,I totally agree with you on your first 2
 paragraphs. However, I beg to differ with your conclusion
 (last paragraph). In reference to the current use case (in
 Brazil), the issue is how Whatsup (US entity) operates, and
 is regulated in a foreign territory....and how it should
 abide by those local/Brazil regulations. It is bound to
 operate by the local/Brasil rules --- if they have a legal
 framework in place. 
 I cannot
 comment about the US & Latin America's compliance
 and regulations policy, but in the case of US/European
 entities, there are principles
 which enable some US companies to comply with privacy
 laws within
 those territories (popularly referred as Safe Harbor
 principles). This also include enforcement
 (effective
 means of enforcing these rules).
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec
 2015 17:08:26 +0000
Subject: Re:
 [kictanet] Brazilians Locked out of WhatsApp
From: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
CC: ebeleokobi@fb.com
To: lnjogu@hotmail.com
This statement is a
 bit under-informed. I am at Facebook now, but I was
previously at Yahoo, where I led the
 business & human rights program,
explicitly focused on ensuring that Yahoo¹s engagement with
 law
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enforcement was governed by human
 rights principles-the only organization
of its kind. Companies like Yahoo, Facebook, Google subject
 requests from
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US law enforcement to
 rigorous assessments requiring that those requests
are lawful and do not violate human
 rights. Companies also regularly push
back on US law enforcement requests when the requests are
 not valid or
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over-broad.
This information can
 be easily gleaned from transparency reports, which
all major tech companies publish. Most
 significantly, Yahoo also took the
NSA
 to court, the only company to ever do so, explicitly because
 Yahoo
refused to hand over user data.
 While that was the most serious case, in
that it was a national security case, tech
 companies are constantly going
to court
 in the US to preserve users rights to privacy.  Now, from a
 legal
perspective, the fact that a
 company is domiciled in a country, and the
fact that the country has legal
 jurisdiction necessarily, from a legal
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That is just a matter of
 law, in the same way that, say, Safaricom is
subject to far greater restrictions in
 Kenya.
Now, there
 is a very interesting conversation to be had about how to
 make
global law enforcement requests
 work in a borderless context, and that¹s
why Facebook and other tech companies are
perspective, means that the country has more authority over
 a company.
 part of a working group to
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identify how
 to pilot a mechanism that both respects international
 human
rights norms (not an easy thing,
 at all, by the way) and doesn¹t make our
companies involuntary police, and that
 keeps people as safe as possible on
line.
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Links with more information-
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/yahoo-nsa-lawsuit-documents-fi
ne-user-data-refusal
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26071.html
https://transparency.yahoo.com/users-first/index.htm
https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/US/
https://govtrequests.facebook.com/country/United%20States/2015-H1/
https://www.dropbox.com/transparency/?_tk=mb&_camp=news&_ad=transparency-h1
-2015&_net=transparency
Ebele
Okobi | Head of
 Public Policy, Africa
m. +44 (0) 771
156 1315
2 Stephen St
 | London | W1T 1AN
ebeleokobi@fb.com
On 12/17/15, 1:33 PM, "kictanet on
 behalf of Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet"
<kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke
 on behalf of
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
 wrote:
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With
 all respect, have you ever seen how the Silicon Valley
 companies
treat other countries
 with contempt especially when it comes to data
requests? But when Uncle Sam asks for
http://news.yahoo.com/judge-orders-google-hand-over-personal-user-data-1825
 the information, they are given.
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Therefore this debate should
be more about finding a balance between
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privacy and the rule of law. This also falls under the
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border communication
 debate that has been raging especially in EU
region and Russia. It's a tough
 nut I admit.
On 17/12/2015, Barrack Otieno via kictanet
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<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
 wrote:
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Great discussion,
Would be interesting to get the Communications Authority
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same in light
 of recent statements issued by CBK on bit coins :-)
Regards
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On Dec 17, 2015 3:04
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kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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Of course-got it!
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I was focusing on the privacy issue, not the
 operator revenue issue. I
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 it's interesting to think of the fact that operators
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were
disrupters. . .
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Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
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On Dec 17,
2015, at 11:48 AM, Mose Karanja <mosekaranja@gmail.com>
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wrote:
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Uber
disrupted the taxi ecosystem so immensely that some taxi
 unions
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started attacks on
 Uber the company and Uber the product arguing they
are
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taxed and licensed yet their new competitors
 are not taxed. They
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 regulators would side with their argument. Some did some
 didn't.
The Uber-moment is thus (in
 my world) that point in the life of a
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broader cross
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Cue in Bob Dylan's Times are A Changing
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On 17 Dec 2015 13:31,
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Ebele,
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This is going to open a whole set of
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Following this keenly!
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Paul
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kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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Uber moment? Tell me
more!
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WhatsApp is
to block that which 'they can't understand'.
 protecting the privacy rights of its users-here's a
 FB
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post
from WhatsApp's
 founder, Jan Koum (btw, when you get a chance, look
up
his
personal history. It
 gives a sense of why he is so passionate about
the
right to privacy.)
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"We are disappointed in the
 short-sighted decision to cut off access
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to
WhatsApp, a
 communication tool that so many Brazilians have come to
depend
on, and sad to see
 Brazil isolate itself from the rest of the world."
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Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy,
 Africa
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m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315
<+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315>
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On Dec 17, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Mose
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kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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A Brazilian judge has
ordered a 48 hour WhatsApp lockdown.
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The order claims WhatsApp refused to
 cooperate with Law Enforcement
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agencies on data handover.
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The harshness of the
 verdict is thus seen as a retaliation to show
whois
boss.
However, there is the
 Telco Lobby pushing for regulation (that word
again) of VOIP
 (WhatsApp calls) under the claim that Brazilians are
no
longer using voice
 calls and yet they are taxed for the spectrum
which
WhatsApp is not being
 taxed for since it is not classified as a
Telco.
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