Re: [kictanet] U.S. FTA Agreement - Resending. Might have fallen through the cracks
Fiona This is great news. However, please allay our fears as I see neither TESPOK nor TESPOK members on the list. For ease of reference please see attached list. Regards Ali Hussein Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 12:14 PM Fiona Asonga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hallo All
TESPOK is representing local ICT companies in the U.S. FTA negotiations. I will however share the issues that arise here by end of day today so that we can have a moderated discussion to gather input from the greater ICT sector. There are several areas that we can give input on, close to 12 areas.
Kind regards
From: "Beryl Aidi via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: "Beryl Aidi" <bee.aidi@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 2 September, 2020 9:59:40 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] U.S. FTA Agreement
Hi Listers My two cents on the FTA . The problems with data protection not withstanding, back to the original question Ali asked why there are 9 American companies on the FTA negotiation list; while on the one hand they might argue that these MNCs are also registered here (if that's the case), the bigger issue is what is the real benefit to Kenyan companies. This is reminiscent of the problems that the Economic Partnership Agreements (EPAs) with the EU caused where local producers ended up being disadvantaged getting the short end of the stick of being relegated to raw material providers, no participation and disadvantaged in costs with lack of government subsidies as opposed to the EU producers. As long as this is the case, the local producers do not get value for their produce, with very little value addition, we end up buying back our own products as imported goods when they are sold back to us as finished products. While this consortium seems to have Kenyan companies, it would be insightful to know the composition of those Kenyan companies, and if the 9 MNCs are representative or take the centre stage at the negotiations as Kenyan companies then that is problematic as there is no real negotiations with no real participation of Kenyan companies - still a case of scoring own goals- another short end of the stick to local producers where we remain relegated to raw materials producers and net importers of finished goods. Our industries can't grow under such trade agreements.
Regards Beryl
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 9:03 AM Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Asante Mugambi.
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On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:48 AM Mugambi Laibuta <mlaibuta@gmail.com> wrote: California law does not apply to all states. Also have a look at the article I shared
Data Transfers and the Kenya-US Trade Talks https://www.laibuta.com/data-protection/data-transfers-and-the-kenya-us-trad...
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Mugambi Laibuta
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 08:46 Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Mugambi
I find it hard to believe that the U.S. has no Data Protection laws. Please expound on this. I know for instance that California has a comprehensive Privacy Act. Here is a link to that.
California Data Privacy Law.
I guess you are referring to Federal law?
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On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:32 AM Mugambi Laibuta via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: In a nutshell, with the agreement, there is bound to be challenges in relation to data transfers. The Data Protection Act provides that transfers should be to countries that have data laws similar to ours. The US does not have concrete data protection laws. Will we use the trade agreement to with away our data to a country that has no data protection laws?
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Mugambi Laibuta
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 08:29 Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: @Mugambi Laibuta
Please give us some of the highlights...for the quick reader.
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From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ggithaiga=hotmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Mugambi Laibuta via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: 02 September 2020 8:23 AM To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> Cc: Mugambi Laibuta <mlaibuta@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] U.S. FTA Agreement
I wrote on the aspect of data transfers -
Data Transfers and the Kenya-US Trade Talks:
https://www.laibuta.com/data-protection/data-transfers-and-the-kenya-us-trad...
Regards,
Mugambi Laibuta
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 08:20 Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear Listers. The above refers.
So the Kenya government has been negotiating a Free Trade Agreement with the U.S. Government. below is the high-level Vision for the #FTA:-
To conclude an agreement with Kenya that can serve as a model for additional agreements in Africa, leading to a network of agreements that contribute to Africa’s regional integration objectives. In addition, the goal is to conclude an agreement that builds on the objectives of #AGOA and will serve as an enduring foundation to expand U.S -Africa trade and investment across the continent.
Kenya Private Sector Alliance (KEPSA) in its wisdom chose a number of companies to be in the consortium of the US-Kenya FTA negotiations/conversations.
Now...Is it just me or don't I understand International Trade? Someone, please explain to me why in that group of companies you have 9 American companies on the list? Including IBM, The Coca-Cola Company, and Citi.
This is like scoring an own goal before starting the game! Or am I wrong? Please explain to me the rationale?
Join the conversation.
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Fiona & Ali: Good list, kindly note Nik Nesbitt is no longer IBM’s Regional Director. It’s Caroline Mukiira. As a former IBMer responsible for Public Sector I’d strongly suggest you consider some IBM Partners too. As a Kenyan-AMERICAN the list we have though great needs to be countered by real HEAVY WEIGHTS! Check out if Dr. Malcolm Beech Washington DC Chamber of Commerce is on the US FTA delegation. He is a CLOSE FRIEND very strategic HEAVILY SUPPORTED by the International Republican Institute (IRI) I hosted him in my Mpaka Road Marianna Guesthouse and was very impressed by his KENYAN ROOTS NETWORK! My experience in Washington DC for 20 years now is that to have INROADS with American CORPORATIONS you must be a longer term planner! I took Malcolm to the Lamu Governor through my GOK connections! Now Americans are in the LAPSSET program but we who facilitated the meeting are not in the picture! His Americans came quickly got married to Kenyan men for change! Now we meet in JAVA GIGIRI they frown at me and say “HAVE WE MET?” I tell them “Kenya is for us BLACKS” are you still at the same TRINIDAD address dangerous as hell in South East? My kids worked in a garage there for a great Somali Mr. Abdul who left Kenya as a refugee when Somali was UNILATERALLY DESTROYED by you know who! They look around and I tell them “AM STILL AT THE BETHESDA ADDRESS in Montgomery County you can’t afford” I have lived there 20 YEARS! Am not rude good Kenyans! If we don’t FIGHT LIKE FREEDOM FIGHTERS for our businesses, these thugs are here to have the good life in Gigiri and Village Market as we all TOIL IN WRONG ADDRESSES and all e did is introduced them to our GOK contacts! I want to volunteer to work “BEHIND THE SCENES with TESPOK’s Fiona and give you ammunition to counter these thugs” As African businesses especially KENYA, ETHIOPIA Ghana (where Michelle Obama traced her roots) and Nigeria we were treated too badly after Obama won in 2008 by the same Republicans to deny our Obama a second term! These guys colluded and destroyed our ICT companies by giving us 5 year contracts and declining to pay us! We went to our lawyers we were told “too bad Dr. Mary Ngunyi-Muiruri it’s a USG CONTRACT YOU CANNOT TERMINATE only SRA can terminate and by the way YOU ARE BOUND FOR 7 YEARS to not work for any other CONTRACTOR! By 2011 OUR BUSINESSES were crippled we couldn’t support Obama’s second term! We are blessed COVID-19 is more controlled in Kenya! Let’s PROTECT OUR BUSINESSES from complete DEMISE by the same Republicans who MERCILESSLY TARGeted and KILLED OUR BUSINESSES! Proudly Kenyan Citizen I fly my KENYA 🇰🇪 FLAG HIGH with a KENYAN PASSPORT; and US PERMANENT RESIDENT since 2000 it ain’t a crime to love my KENYA 🇰🇪 KIPENZI CHANGU more than America my great SECOND HOME! Baraka MOB WOTE! Dr. Maria On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Fiona
This is great news. However, please allay our fears as I see neither TESPOK nor TESPOK members on the list. For ease of reference please see attached list.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
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Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 12:14 PM Fiona Asonga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hallo All
TESPOK is representing local ICT companies in the U.S. FTA negotiations. I will however share the issues that arise here by end of day today so that we can have a moderated discussion to gather input from the greater ICT sector. There are several areas that we can give input on, close to 12 areas.
Kind regards
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