Robert Yawe has done some serious homework on the proportions of the budget that can be allocated to ICT roll out in schools. However changes/improvements in ICT trends in Education, the technology involved and the methods applied dictate that these can be bettered such that for the same amounts we can reach more schools (and therefore more students), spend less on bricks and mortar, train more teachers on ICT and 21st Century skills. We can share with you best practices and experiences elsewhere. Regards Suraj Shah Corporate Affairs Manager Intel Corporation | Kenya | Office: 7th Floor, Purhsottam Place, Westlands Road next to CfC Stanbic Bank, Nairobi | Tel: +254 20 3601724 / 3601727 | Mobile: +254 722 412277 | Email: surajx.shah@intel.com -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+surajx.shah=intel.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+surajx.shah=intel.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:05 PM To: Shah, SurajX Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 34, Issue 84 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner@lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus (bitange@jambo.co.ke) 2. Re: Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus (Harry Delano) 3. Re: Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus (bitange@jambo.co.ke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:07:45 +0300 (EAT) From: bitange@jambo.co.ke To: crystal@voicesofafrica.org Cc: kictanet-bounces+crystal=voicesofafrica.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Message-ID: <4e64551e391b9d49d83a194b1c863d54.squirrel@mail.jambo.co.ke> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Crystal, I understand your argument. The most amusing thing in all the bus discussion business, nobody ever asked for the concept paper to see why it was proposed. Now that I am beggining to understand the arguments advanced, I hope someone will share a white paper or prove of concept in our presentations. We shall get to learn more when we back our arguments with best practices elsewhere. Regards Ndemo.

That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed employment.

Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do not begin the journey it will never be done.

Blessings,

Crystal Sent from my BlackBerry?

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Robert, Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools.

If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done".

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Hi,

It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe once bitten twice shy.

The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath.

I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books are left behind.

With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and many other thinks.

Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to meet the objectives.

- 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the interlocking soil block making machines

- 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank.

- 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been offered technical training.

- 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough computer teachers.

- 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does not charge for solar, yet).

The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me for details).

Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already consumed the 7 million.

Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and writing materials for a bonding session.

Regards

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:17:22 +0300 From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Message-ID: <E1NuV4o-0007qI-35@mail.gprs.safaricom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If I would look at it from another angle, I suppose also and I will keep on insisting - Let us please ensure for grand projects such as this that will impact on the nation, we develop a Multistakeholder approach, consult widely and sell the idea and also listen to other ideas out there,then settle on the best - in terms of feasibility,impact and cost effectiveness. I think while it is good to initiate good projects that stand to benefit the nation, it will be prudent also to develop a model that will ensure all angles of such projects are covered right through from the point of incubation to implementation. We are accustomed now to "Surprise projects" when least expected, which fade off as soon as they are mooted. While we on this topic, I posted earlier this morning an initiative by the Ministry of Education to digitalize the Academic curriculum in schools. For instance in this case, is the ministry of ICT Involved? What about other stakeholder...? What would this portend - especially for Educational Material /curriculum Publishers, who may lose a market share in the education sector? How feasible is it? What is the impact of the huge digital divide at present on such an initiative? What about broadband? Shouldn't we address this first..? Certainly a lot of questions..I think it would be advisable for the govt. organs to engage far & wide.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of crystal@voicesofafrica.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:29 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed employment. Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do not begin the journey it will never be done. Blessings, Crystal Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:15:50 To: <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Robert, Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools. If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done". Regards Ndemo.

Hi,

It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe once bitten twice shy.

The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath.

I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books are left behind.

With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and many other thinks.

Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to meet the objectives.

- 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the interlocking soil block making machines

- 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank.

- 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been offered technical training.

- 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough computer teachers.

- 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does not charge for solar, yet).

The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me for details).

Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already consumed the 7 million.

Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and writing materials for a bonding session.

Regards

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: crystal@voicesofafrica.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafric a.org _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys.co.ke ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:09:22 +0000 From: bitange@jambo.co.ke To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Message-ID: <958146811-1269457751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1636562568-@bda152.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" KIE is doing a great job on education content development. We have several joint initiatives. Next week March 29 -31 we have a major e-learning conference to showcase local digital content. You are all welcome. We shall make great progress if we begin by asking rather than complaining. Development is largely thinking positive and taking risk in good faith. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry? -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:17:22 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus If I would look at it from another angle, I suppose also and I will keep on insisting - Let us please ensure for grand projects such as this that will impact on the nation, we develop a Multistakeholder approach, consult widely and sell the idea and also listen to other ideas out there,then settle on the best - in terms of feasibility,impact and cost effectiveness. I think while it is good to initiate good projects that stand to benefit the nation, it will be prudent also to develop a model that will ensure all angles of such projects are covered right through from the point of incubation to implementation. We are accustomed now to "Surprise projects" when least expected, which fade off as soon as they are mooted. While we on this topic, I posted earlier this morning an initiative by the Ministry of Education to digitalize the Academic curriculum in schools. For instance in this case, is the ministry of ICT Involved? What about other stakeholder...? What would this portend - especially for Educational Material /curriculum Publishers, who may lose a market share in the education sector? How feasible is it? What is the impact of the huge digital divide at present on such an initiative? What about broadband? Shouldn't we address this first..? Certainly a lot of questions..I think it would be advisable for the govt. organs to engage far & wide.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of crystal@voicesofafrica.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:29 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed employment. Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do not begin the journey it will never be done. Blessings, Crystal Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:15:50 To: <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Robert, Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools. If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done". Regards Ndemo.

Hi,

It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe once bitten twice shy.

The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath.

I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books are left behind.

With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and many other thinks.

Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to meet the objectives.

- 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the interlocking soil block making machines

- 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank.

- 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been offered technical training.

- 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough computer teachers.

- 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does not charge for solar, yet).

The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me for details).

Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already consumed the 7 million.

Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and writing materials for a bonding session.

Regards

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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