Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions
Dear Listers, Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open -- Barrack O. Otieno +41767892272 Skype: barrack.otieno
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act..., probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right? On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
-- Barrack O. Otieno +41767892272 Skype: barrack.otieno
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Barrack, internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity... it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD thesis on why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style). walu. --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act..., probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right? On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Listers, Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open -- Barrack O. Otieno +41767892272 Skype: barrack.otieno -- Barrack O. Otieno +41767892272 Skype: barrack.otieno -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com
One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs. This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage? Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth. The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen! On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD thesis on why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act..., probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
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Thanks Walu and Solomon for bringing to bare the facts as they are, i suppose this makes a case for the local exchange points, we have had interesting discourse on exchange points both at a local and regional level on this list for the better part of this and probably old Hands like Mblayo, Mich and probably Fiona might want to give us some insight into this area, on another note i wonder whether the results of the census at least in so far as ICTs are concerned could be made available on the governmnet portal so that we may not what priorities Kenyans have, it appears that it is the Telcos that are taking advantage of the infrastructure that is in place, on another note, is there a possibilitiy that cloud computing might render all this Infrastructure initiatives obsolete, might we be caught napping? On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD thesis on why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act... ,
probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
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Dear Listeners, I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them, then they are a mirage. Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize the opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain that the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity. Well Walu, am already doing research on something related. Sam Aguyo ________________________________ From: Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> To: saguyo@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs. This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage? Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth. The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen! On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD thesis on why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act..., , probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
-- Barrack O. Otieno +41767892272 Skype: barrack.otieno
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Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Listeners,
I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them, then they are a mirage.
Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize the opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain that the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
Sam Aguyo
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*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions
One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD thesis on why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act... ,
probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
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And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in essence, there was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed, anyway. The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their thoughts at the end of having them landing. Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on the factual results being felt. It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out, why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and cue! Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point fingers out. I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for assessing the impact of these infrastructure. On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Listeners,
I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them, then they are a mirage.
Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize the opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain that the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
Sam Aguyo
------------------------------ *From:* Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> *To:* saguyo@yahoo.com
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions
One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD thesis on why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act... ,
probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
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Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in underway, i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this list, there seems to be silent consensus that we are on the right track any differing views :-) On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in essence, there was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed, anyway. The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their thoughts at the end of having them landing.
Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on the factual results being felt. It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out, why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and cue!
Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point fingers out. I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for assessing the impact of these infrastructure.
Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Listeners,
I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them, then they are a mirage.
Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize
opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain
the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
Sam Aguyo
------------------------------ *From:* Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> *To:* saguyo@yahoo.com
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions
One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have
superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD
On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: the that the thesis
on
why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act...
,
probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
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we all seem to be on the same page....yes, we(consumers) are not pleased or have not yet felt the impact of the fibre cables.... so yes, despite the risen demand of the internet, the costs are still very high...we have been saying that for awhile to empty promises of they will come down 'soon' can we say that what is going on is, teething problems? and we need to be patient? .. in the mean time, who is paying for the 'patience' ? Kind Regards, On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in underway, i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this list, there seems to be silent consensus that we are on the right track any differing views :-)
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in essence, there was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed, anyway. The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their thoughts at the end of having them landing.
Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on the factual results being felt. It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out, why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and cue!
Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point fingers out. I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for assessing the impact of these infrastructure.
Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Listeners,
I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them,
they are a mirage.
Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize
opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain
the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
Sam Aguyo
------------------------------ *From:* Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> *To:* saguyo@yahoo.com
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions
One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have
superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD
on
why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act...
,
probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article
On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: then the that the thesis posted
by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
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Dear Judy, There are risks and costs to every program of action, something had to be done, and as someone once said patience pays, the feasibility study mentality has costed us more than the initiatives that have been conducted so far. Kind Regards On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
we all seem to be on the same page....yes, we(consumers) are not pleased or have not yet felt the impact of the fibre cables....
so yes, despite the risen demand of the internet, the costs are still very high...we have been saying that for awhile to empty promises of they will come down 'soon'
can we say that what is going on is, teething problems? and we need to be patient? .. in the mean time, who is paying for the 'patience' ?
Kind Regards,
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in underway, i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this list, there seems to be silent consensus that we are on the right track any differing views :-)
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com
wrote:
And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in essence, there was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed, anyway. The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their thoughts at the end of having them landing.
Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on the factual results being felt. It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out, why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and cue!
Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point fingers out. I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for assessing the impact of these infrastructure.
Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Listeners,
I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them,
they are a mirage.
Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize
opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain
the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
Sam Aguyo
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One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be
socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have
superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD
on
why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act...
,
probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article
On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: then the that that the thesis posted
by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
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Listers, I have been going through the thread and have some few comments that I would like to make and here it goes..... Judy, we may not really need to be patient but we may need to study the progress and asses if it is indeed doing the right pace. How do we do that then? I’m not sure exactly, but if there was some visionary documentation on the intended progress with the coming of fibre cables then that would do. Nonetheless the intention was to boost our economy by creating more jobs and opening up our country for trade and other investment. I will agree with Sam Guyo that we need to stop complaining but consider the bags of goodies that the cables promise us. However, how will we why we can‘t catch with the rest of the world or simply why we are not ahead yet we have all the three cable links with us? Solomon opines the loss we experience due to the breakdown of SEACOM cable. If we keep quiet how will it be know? In fact, he goes ahead to wonder if the delay could be a result of some sabotage. Well, Solomon, I believe it isn’t sabotage. Even china had such an experience that made them lose billions yet they are such higher in technology than we are. Basically, locating faults in fibre optics and more so undersea fibres is really difficult. But am certain they will sort it somehow. I have also read from the list that there are hidden benefits of undersea connectivity. The tenets that have convinced several providers to indicate an intention of or move their hqs to Kenya is a well laid pointer that we are heading the right direction. However, are simply in the rush just because the networks exist (well put by Victor “…as the 'silver bullet' that would slay the problems facing the ICT industry”)? Or are they getting some convincing information somewhere we do not know? I am informed that Sam has some insight please share as this will make us have some informed arguments. Lastly, barrack inquired if the infrastructure would make cloud computing obsolete. I’m sure not. My understanding of cloud computing is that it rides on a well laid infrastructure. And that means tha our infrastructure will indeed enhance it. We will no longer need to keep very e expensive server rooms! However, what I really decry for……where are the providers of cloud computing operating from? Do we have some locally centred? If not….how do we benefit? Regards, Okech JMMy blog --- On Wed, 7/7/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: okechjr@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 5:35 AM Dear Judy, There are risks and costs to every program of action, something had to be done, and as someone once said patience pays, the feasibility study mentality has costed us more than the initiatives that have been conducted so far. Kind Regards On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote: we all seem to be on the same page....yes, we(consumers) are not pleased or have not yet felt the impact of the fibre cables.... so yes, despite the risen demand of the internet, the costs are still very high...we have been saying that for awhile to empty promises of they will come down 'soon' can we say that what is going on is, teething problems? and we need to be patient? ..in the mean time, who is paying for the 'patience' ? Kind Regards, On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in underway, i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this list, there seems to be silent consensus that we are on the right track any differing views :-) On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in essence, there was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed, anyway. The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their thoughts at the end of having them landing. Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on the factual results being felt. It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out, why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and cue! Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point fingers out. I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for assessing the impact of these infrastructure. On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree
with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage
nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few
vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and
considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the
informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment
is brought onto the Super highway.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Listeners,
I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have
been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have
the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti
Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i
had
worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and
now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not
mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them, then
they are a mirage.
Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize the
opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain that
the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
Sam Aguyo
------------------------------
*From:* Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>
*To:* saguyo@yahoo.com
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
*Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of
8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF
Mailing List Discussions
One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically
speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of
.com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables
were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or
whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak.
Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables.
1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff)
2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries
thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness.
3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that
would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they
constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in
countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a.
The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our
domestic
networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy
consumers
international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com
and
so
they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given
that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international
capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp
surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that
socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have
not
yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off,
eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the
superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD thesis
on
why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen
(the
Indian style).
walu.
--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of
8
Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF
Mailing
List Discussions
To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure
issues
i
suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus
across
various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is
down
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act...
,
probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks
to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is
still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance
through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the
TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be
good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an
earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted
by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a
boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by
Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to
look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic
perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have
brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the
country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say?
Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the
discussion is open
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Thanks Okech, i suppose there were some crossed wires somewhere, on the Contrary i was wondering whether Cloud Computing would render the investments we have made in Infrastructure Obsolete and whether we are prepared for this eventuality, your comments are noted though. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Okech <okechjr@yahoo.com> wrote:
Listers,
I have been going through the thread and have some few comments that I would like to make and here it goes.....
Judy, we may not really need to be patient but we may need to study the progress and asses if it is indeed doing the right pace. How do we do that then? I’m not sure exactly, but if there was some visionary documentation on the intended progress with the coming of fibre cables then that would do. Nonetheless the intention was to boost our economy by creating more jobs and opening up our country for trade and other investment.
I will agree with Sam Guyo that we need to stop complaining but consider the bags of goodies that the cables promise us. However, how will we why we can‘t catch with the rest of the world or simply why we are not ahead yet we have all the three cable links with us? Solomon opines the loss we experience due to the breakdown of SEACOM cable. If we keep quiet how will it be know? In fact, he goes ahead to wonder if the delay could be a result of some sabotage. Well, Solomon, I believe it isn’t sabotage. Even china had such an experience that made them lose billions yet they are such higher in technology than we are. Basically, locating faults in fibre optics and more so undersea fibres is really difficult. But am certain they will sort it somehow.
I have also read from the list that there are hidden benefits of undersea connectivity. The tenets that have convinced several providers to indicate an intention of or move their hqs to Kenya is a well laid pointer that we are heading the right direction. However, are simply in the rush just because the networks exist (well put by Victor “…as the 'silver bullet' that would slay the problems facing the ICT industry”)? Or are they getting some convincing information somewhere we do not know? I am informed that Sam has some insight please share as this will make us have some informed arguments.
Lastly, barrack inquired if the infrastructure would make cloud computing obsolete. I’m sure not. My understanding of cloud computing is that it rides on a well laid infrastructure. And that means tha our infrastructure will indeed enhance it. We will no longer need to keep very e expensive server rooms! However, what I really decry for……where are the providers of cloud computing operating from? Do we have some locally centred? If not….how do we benefit?
Regards, Okech JM My blog <http://james-okech.blogspot.com>
--- On *Wed, 7/7/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: okechjr@yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 5:35 AM
Dear Judy,
There are risks and costs to every program of action, something had to be done, and as someone once said patience pays, the feasibility study mentality has costed us more than the initiatives that have been conducted so far.
Kind Regards
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=judyokite@gmail.com>
wrote:
we all seem to be on the same page....yes, we(consumers) are not pleased or have not yet felt the impact of the fibre cables....
so yes, despite the risen demand of the internet, the costs are still very high...we have been saying that for awhile to empty promises of they will come down 'soon'
can we say that what is going on is, teething problems? and we need to be patient? .. in the mean time, who is paying for the 'patience' ?
Kind Regards,
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
wrote:
Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in underway, i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this list, there seems to be silent consensus that we are on the right track any differing views :-)
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:
And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in essence, there was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed, anyway. The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their thoughts at the end of having them landing.
Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on the factual results being felt. It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out, why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and cue!
Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point fingers out. I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for assessing the impact of these infrastructure.
Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=saguyo@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear Listeners,
I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them,
they are a mirage.
Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize the opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain
the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
Sam Aguyo
------------------------------ *From:* Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>
*To:* saguyo@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=saguyo@yahoo.com>
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*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions
One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote: > Barrack, > > internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic > networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy > consumers > international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com > and so > they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given > that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international > capacity... > > it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp > surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be
> socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not > yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, > eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have
> superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD
on > why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen > (the > Indian style). > > walu. > > > > --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 > Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing > List Discussions > To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM > > Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure > issues i > suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus > across > various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down >
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act...
, > probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right? > > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks > to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is > still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance > through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the > TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be > good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an > earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article
On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: then that that the thesis posted
> by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a > boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by > Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to > look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic > perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have > brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the > country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? > Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the > discussion is open > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > +41767892272 > Skype: barrack.otieno > > > > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > +41767892272 > Skype: barrack.otieno > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com> > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > > > >
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Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with
vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure
is brought onto the Super highway.
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Dear Barrack - thanks for your good work moderating the discussion despite your busy schedule in Geneva. I just want to comment on the issue of Cloud Computing that you and Okech have raised - I think this issue requires some thorough analysis given that it is this year's "Emerging Issue" in Lithuania and indeed the Government of Kenya and the private sector will collaborate on a workshop on the same. I suggest that somehow you squeeze it into its own day of discussion. Specifically it would be useful to establish how Cloud Computing is likely to impact the processes, customs, policies, laws, and institutions affecting the way the Internet is directed, administered and controlled. It would also be useful to explore the possible changes and/or impacts on the relationships among the many stakeholders of IG that you mentioned earlier. Another question is: how does cloud computing impact the goals for which the Internet is governed - including the IG4D perspective? Kind Regards, Waudo On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:19 +0200, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Okech, i suppose there were some crossed wires somewhere, on the Contrary i was wondering whether Cloud Computing would render the investments we have made in Infrastructure Obsolete and whether we are prepared for this eventuality, your comments are noted though. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Okech <[1]okechjr@yahoo.com> wrote: Listers, I have been going through the thread and have some few comments that I would like to make and here it goes..... Judy, we may not really need to be patient but we may need to study the progress and asses if it is indeed doing the right pace. How do we do that then? I’m not sure exactly, but if there was some visionary documentation on the intended progress with the coming of fibre cables then that would do. Nonetheless the intention was to boost our economy by creating more jobs and opening up our country for trade and other investment. I will agree with Sam Guyo that we need to stop complaining but consider the bags of goodies that the cables promise us. However, how will we why we can‘t catch with the rest of the world or simply why we are not ahead yet we have all the three cable links with us? Solomon opines the loss we experience due to the breakdown of SEACOM cable. If we keep quiet how will it be know? In fact, he goes ahead to wonder if the delay could be a result of some sabotage. Well, Solomon, I believe it isn’t sabotage. Even china had such an experience that made them lose billions yet they are such higher in technology than we are. Basically, locating faults in fibre optics and more so undersea fibres is really difficult. But am certain they will sort it somehow. I have also read from the list that there are hidden benefits of undersea connectivity. The tenets that have convinced several providers to indicate an intention of or move their hqs to Kenya is a well laid pointer that we are heading the right direction. However, are simply in the rush just because the networks exist (well put by Victor “…as the 'silver bullet' that would slay the problems facing the ICT industry”)? Or are they getting some convincing information somewhere we do not know? I am informed that Sam has some insight please share as this will make us have some informed arguments. Lastly, barrack inquired if the infrastructure would make cloud computing obsolete. I’m sure not. My understanding of cloud computing is that it rides on a well laid infrastructure. And that means tha our infrastructure will indeed enhance it. We will no longer need to keep very e expensive server rooms! However, what I really decry for……where are the providers of cloud computing operating from? Do we have some locally centred? If not….how do we benefit? Regards, Okech JM [2]My blog --- On Wed, 7/7/10, Barrack Otieno <[3]otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: From: Barrack Otieno <[4]otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: [5]okechjr@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[6]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 5:35 AM Dear Judy, There are risks and costs to every program of action, something had to be done, and as someone once said patience pays, the feasibility study mentality has costed us more than the initiatives that have been conducted so far. Kind Regards On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Judy Okite <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='http://mc/compose?to=judyokite@gmail.com '. Original text='judyokite@gmail.com'. For more information on phishing click here.> wrote: we all seem to be on the same page....yes, we(consumers) are not pleased or have not yet felt the impact of the fibre cables.... so yes, despite the risen demand of the internet, the costs are still very high...we have been saying that for awhile to empty promises of they will come down 'soon' can we say that what is going on is, teething problems? and we need to be patient? .. in the mean time, who is paying for the 'patience' ? Kind Regards, On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Barrack Otieno <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='http://mc/compose?to =otieno.barrack@gmail.com'. Original text='otieno.barrack@gmail.com'. For more information on phishing click here.> wrote: Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in underway, i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this list, there seems to be silent consensus that we are on the right track any differing views :-) On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='http://mc/compose?to =solo.mburu@gmail.com'. Original text='solo.mburu@gmail.com'. For more information on phishing click here.> wrote: And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in essence, there was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed, anyway. The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their thoughts at the end of having them landing. Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on the factual results being felt. It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out, why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and cue! Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point fingers out. I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for assessing the impact of these infrastructure. On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com'. 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Dear Listeners,
I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur
been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a [7]yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is [8]go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on
they are a mirage.
Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize the opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain that the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
Sam Aguyo
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One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed
would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10%
The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
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Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering
domestic
networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained
that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the
surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD thesis on why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
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Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down
[11]http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service- down-seacom-actively-seeking-solutions
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probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is
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wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the
still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going
earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting
by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would
look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
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Thanks Dr. Siganga for that Insightfull response and for provoking our minds to explore cloud computing at a deeper angle, as you have rightly mentioned, it is likely to have far reaching effects on on the local Internet Landscape, we cam explore the issue on day 5 after exploring Critical Internet Resources, we look forwad to your insight as we delve into the issue. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:06 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
Dear Barrack - thanks for your good work moderating the discussion despite your busy schedule in Geneva. I just want to comment on the issue of Cloud Computing that you and Okech have raised - I think this issue requires some thorough analysis given that it is this year's "Emerging Issue" in Lithuania and indeed the Government of Kenya and the private sector will collaborate on a workshop on the same. I suggest that somehow you squeeze it into its own day of discussion. Specifically it would be useful to establish how Cloud Computing is likely to impact the processes, customs, policies, laws, and institutions affecting the way the Internet is directed, administered and controlled. It would also be useful to explore the possible changes and/or impacts on the relationships among the many stakeholders of IG that you mentioned earlier. Another question is: how does cloud computing impact the goals for which the Internet is governed - including the IG4D perspective?
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:19 +0200, "Barrack Otieno" < otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Okech, i suppose there were some crossed wires somewhere, on the Contrary i was wondering whether Cloud Computing would render the investments we have made in Infrastructure Obsolete and whether we are prepared for this eventuality, your comments are noted though.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Okech <okechjr@yahoo.com> wrote:
Listers,
I have been going through the thread and have some few comments that I would like to make and here it goes.....
Judy, we may not really need to be patient but we may need to study the progress and asses if it is indeed doing the right pace. How do we do that then? I’m not sure exactly, but if there was some visionary documentation on the intended progress with the coming of fibre cables then that would do. Nonetheless the intention was to boost our economy by creating more jobs and opening up our country for trade and other investment.
I will agree with Sam Guyo that we need to stop complaining but consider the bags of goodies that the cables promise us. However, how will we why we can‘t catch with the rest of the world or simply why we are not ahead yet we have all the three cable links with us? Solomon opines the loss we experience due to the breakdown of SEACOM cable. If we keep quiet how will it be know? In fact, he goes ahead to wonder if the delay could be a result of some sabotage. Well, Solomon, I believe it isn’t sabotage. Even china had such an experience that made them lose billions yet they are such higher in technology than we are. Basically, locating faults in fibre optics and more so undersea fibres is really difficult. But am certain they will sort it somehow.
I have also read from the list that there are hidden benefits of undersea connectivity. The tenets that have convinced several providers to indicate an intention of or move their hqs to Kenya is a well laid pointer that we are heading the right direction. However, are simply in the rush just because the networks exist (well put by Victor “…as the 'silver bullet' that would slay the problems facing the ICT industry”)? Or are they getting some convincing information somewhere we do not know? I am informed that Sam has some insight please share as this will make us have some informed arguments.
Lastly, barrack inquired if the infrastructure would make cloud computing obsolete. I’m sure not. My understanding of cloud computing is that it rides on a well laid infrastructure. And that means tha our infrastructure will indeed enhance it. We will no longer need to keep very e expensive server rooms! However, what I really decry for……where are the providers of cloud computing operating from? Do we have some locally centred? If not….how do we benefit?
Regards, Okech JM My blog <http://james-okech.blogspot.com>
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Dear Judy,
There are risks and costs to every program of action, something had to be done, and as someone once said patience pays, the feasibility study mentality has costed us more than the initiatives that have been conducted so far.
Kind Regards
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Judy Okite <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='*http://mc/compose?to=judyokite@gmail.com*'. Original text='* judyokite@gmail.com*'. For more information on phishing click here.> wrote:
we all seem to be on the same page....yes, we(consumers) are not pleased or have not yet felt the impact of the fibre cables....
so yes, despite the risen demand of the internet, the costs are still very high...we have been saying that for awhile to empty promises of they will come down 'soon'
can we say that what is going on is, teething problems? and we need to be patient? .. in the mean time, who is paying for the 'patience' ?
Kind Regards,
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Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in underway, i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this list, there seems to be silent consensus that we are on the right track any differing views :-)
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='*http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com*'. Original text='*solo.mburu@gmail.com*'. For more information on phishing click here .> wrote:
And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in essence, there was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed, anyway. The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their thoughts at the end of having them landing.
Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on the factual results being felt. It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out, why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and cue!
Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point fingers out. I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for assessing the impact of these infrastructure.
Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway.
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Dear Listeners,
I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them, then they are a mirage.
Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize
opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain
the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
Sam Aguyo
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One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have
superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD
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why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
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Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act...
,
probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
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Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to
a
boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
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On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Judy,
There are risks and costs to every program of action, something had to be done, and as someone once said patience pays, the feasibility study mentality has costed us more than the initiatives that have been conducted so far.
Kind Regards
So when were the feasibility studies done? And did they have any quantitative and qualitative measurements on the impact of the cables to the consumer?
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
we all seem to be on the same page....yes, we(consumers) are not pleased or have not yet felt the impact of the fibre cables....
so yes, despite the risen demand of the internet, the costs are still very high...we have been saying that for awhile to empty promises of they will come down 'soon'
can we say that what is going on is, teething problems? and we need to be patient? .. in the mean time, who is paying for the 'patience' ?
@Judy, you and I are dearly paying for the patience. Just yesterday Seacom was down (I'm unsure whether it's up) and the businesses which depend on it were literary offline. Big companies don't feel the impact directly unless one cuts the main cable in their offices. Out of curiosity, suppose voice was fully dependant on the fibre cables what would have been the ramification?
Kind Regards,
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in underway, i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this list, there seems to be silent consensus that we are on the right track any differing views :-)
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wrote:
And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in essence, there was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed, anyway. The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their thoughts at the end of having them landing.
Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on the factual results being felt. It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out, why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and cue!
Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point fingers out. I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for assessing the impact of these infrastructure.
Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Listeners,
I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them,
they are a mirage.
Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize
opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain
the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
Sam Aguyo
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*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM
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One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: > Barrack, > > internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic > networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy > consumers > international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com > and so > they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given > that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international > capacity... > > it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp > surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be
> socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not > yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, > eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have
> superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD
on > why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will > happen > (the > Indian style). > > walu. > > > > --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 > Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing > List Discussions > To: jwalu@yahoo.com > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM > > Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure > issues i > suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus > across > various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down >
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act...
, > probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right? > > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com > > wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks > to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is > still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance > through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the > TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be > good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an > earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article
On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: then the that that the thesis posted
> by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a > boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted > by > Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like > to > look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic > perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables > have > brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the > country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? > Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the > discussion is open > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > +41767892272 > Skype: barrack.otieno > > > > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > +41767892272 > Skype: barrack.otieno > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > > > >
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@ Solomon, what i meant is that we had gotten into a habit of conducting Feasibility studies and nothing was really happening, in actual sense i was commending the current leadership at Ministry of Infocom and the private sector for taking bold moves that have spurred the growth of the sector, i could be wrong though, it could be good to get other perspectives. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Judy,
There are risks and costs to every program of action, something had to be done, and as someone once said patience pays, the feasibility study mentality has costed us more than the initiatives that have been conducted so far.
Kind Regards
So when were the feasibility studies done? And did they have any quantitative and qualitative measurements on the impact of the cables to the consumer?
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
we all seem to be on the same page....yes, we(consumers) are not pleased or have not yet felt the impact of the fibre cables....
so yes, despite the risen demand of the internet, the costs are still
very
high...we have been saying that for awhile to empty promises of they will come down 'soon'
can we say that what is going on is, teething problems? and we need to be patient? .. in the mean time, who is paying for the 'patience' ?
@Judy, you and I are dearly paying for the patience. Just yesterday Seacom was down (I'm unsure whether it's up) and the businesses which depend on it were literary offline. Big companies don't feel the impact directly unless one cuts the main cable in their offices.
Kind Regards,
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in underway, i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this list, there seems to be silent consensus that we are on the right track any differing views :-)
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <
solo.mburu@gmail.com
wrote:
And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in essence, there was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed, anyway. The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their thoughts at the end of having them landing.
Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on the factual results being felt. It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out, why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and cue!
Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point fingers out. I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for assessing the impact of these infrastructure.
On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of
informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Listeners, > > I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have > been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have > the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When
> Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i > had > worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and > now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not > mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them,
> they are a mirage. > > Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and > seize
> opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain
Anti then the that
> the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity. > > Well Walu, am already doing research on something related. > > > Sam Aguyo > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> > *To:* saguyo@yahoo.com > > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of > 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF > Mailing List Discussions > > One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically > speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of > .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs. > > This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables > were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or > whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. > Could there be sabotage? > > Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. > 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) > 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of > countries > thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. > 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that > would usher quick businesses thus economic growth. > > The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they > constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in > countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. > The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen! > > On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Barrack, > > > > internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our > domestic > > networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy > > consumers > > international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com > > and > so > > they will try to head out of the country through constrained
> > that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international > > capacity... > > > > it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp > > surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be
> > socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have > not > > yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, > > eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have
> > superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD
given that the thesis
> on > > why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will > > happen > > (the > > Indian style). > > > > walu. > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of > 8 > > Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF > Mailing > > List Discussions > > To: jwalu@yahoo.com > > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM > > > > Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure > > issues > i > > suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus > > across > > various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is > down > > >
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act...
> , > > probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right? > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Listers, > > > > Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks > > to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is > > still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance > > through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted
> > TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be > > good to review the milestones we have made this far, going
> > earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article
an posted
> > by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a > > boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted > > by > > Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like > > to > > look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic > > perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables > > have > > brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how
Out of curiosity, suppose voice was fully dependant on the fibre cables what would have been the ramification? the the links the through the
> > country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? > > Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the > > discussion is open > > > > -- > > Barrack O. Otieno > > +41767892272 > > Skype: barrack.otieno > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Barrack O. Otieno > > +41767892272 > > Skype: barrack.otieno > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > >
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***************************************************** Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
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On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Solomon, what i meant is that we had gotten into a habit of conducting Feasibility studies and nothing was really happening, in actual sense i was commending the current leadership at Ministry of Infocom and the private sector for taking bold moves that have spurred the growth of the sector, i could be wrong though, it could be good to get other perspectives.
@Barrack, On an earlier thread Victor said he had done some (pre?)fibre studies which had shown some important relationships between the cables and the various sectors such as BPOs. (Maybe he can provide a PDF or a link to the study for our input) With the government, their research papers are busy collecting dust somewhere, yet they are to benefit the larger community. I know we have a very hardworking PS in the Ministry of InfoCom and I'm sure the various documents there can be availed for our consumption, unless they are classified material!
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Judy,
There are risks and costs to every program of action, something had to be done, and as someone once said patience pays, the feasibility study mentality has costed us more than the initiatives that have been conducted so far.
Kind Regards
So when were the feasibility studies done? And did they have any quantitative and qualitative measurements on the impact of the cables to the consumer?
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
we all seem to be on the same page....yes, we(consumers) are not pleased or have not yet felt the impact of the fibre cables....
so yes, despite the risen demand of the internet, the costs are still
very
high...we have been saying that for awhile to empty promises of they will come down 'soon'
can we say that what is going on is, teething problems? and we need to be patient? .. in the mean time, who is paying for the 'patience' ?
@Judy, you and I are dearly paying for the patience. Just yesterday Seacom was down (I'm unsure whether it's up) and the businesses which depend on it were literary offline. Big companies don't feel the impact directly unless one cuts the main cable in their offices.
Kind Regards,
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in underway, i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this list, there seems to be silent consensus that we are on the right track any differing views :-)
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <
solo.mburu@gmail.com
wrote:
And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in essence, there was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed, anyway. The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their thoughts at the end of having them landing.
Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on the factual results being felt. It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out, why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and cue!
Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point fingers out. I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for assessing the impact of these infrastructure.
On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive > outlook. I agree > with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage > nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the > few > vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and > considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of
> informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment > is brought onto the Super highway. > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Dear Listeners, >> >> I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur >> should have >> been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have >> the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When
Anti >> Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i >> had >> worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and >> now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not >> mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on >> them, then >> they are a mirage. >> >> Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and >> seize the >> opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain that >> the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity. >> >> Well Walu, am already doing research on something related. >> >> >> Sam Aguyo >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> >> *To:* saguyo@yahoo.com >> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of >> 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF >> Mailing List Discussions >> >> One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically >> speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of >> .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of >> affairs. >> >> This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables >> were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown >> or >> whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. >> Could there be sabotage? >> >> Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. >> 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) >> 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of >> countries >> thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. >> 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed >> that >> would usher quick businesses thus economic growth. >> >> The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they >> constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in >> countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. >> The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen! >> >> On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > Barrack, >> > >> > internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our >> domestic >> > networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy >> > consumers >> > international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com >> > and >> so >> > they will try to head out of the country through constrained
given >> > that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our >> > international >> > capacity... >> > >> > it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the >> > pomp >> > surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that >> > socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but >> > I have >> not >> > yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, >> > eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the >> > superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good >> > PhD thesis >> on >> > why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will >> > happen >> > (the >> > Indian style). >> > >> > walu. >> > >> > >> > >> > --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> >> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of >> 8 >> > Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF >> Mailing >> > List Discussions >> > To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM >> > >> > Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure >> > issues >> i >> > suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus >> > across >> > various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is >> down >> > >>
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act...
>> , >> > probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right? >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > Dear Listers, >> > >> > Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks >> > to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is >> > still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance >> > through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted
>> > TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be >> > good to review the milestones we have made this far, going
an >> > earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted >> > by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a >> > boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was >> > conducted >> > by >> > Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would >> > like >> > to >> > look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic >> > perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables >> > have >> > brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how
Out of curiosity, suppose voice was fully dependant on the fibre cables what would have been the ramification? the the links the through the
>> > country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have >> > to say? >> > Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the >> > discussion is open >> > >> > -- >> > Barrack O. Otieno >> > +41767892272 >> > Skype: barrack.otieno >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Barrack O. Otieno >> > +41767892272 >> > Skype: barrack.otieno >> > >> > >> > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > This message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.com >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >
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>> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau >> >> ***************************************************** >> Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze >> all >> the same way to the side of a hill! >> >> AND >> >> It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous >> generosity! >> >> http://smiley2.wordpress.com >> http://mburu.sikika.co.ke >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: saguyo@yahoo.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>
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@Solomon You can find the paper I refer to here http://www.gg.rhul.ac.uk/ict4d/workingpapers/Gathero.doc Victor -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Solomon Mburu Kamau Sent: 07 July 2010 16:32 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre OpticCable IGF Mailing List Discussions On an earlier thread Victor said he had done some (pre?)fibre studies which had shown some important relationships between the cables and the various sectors such as BPOs. (Maybe he can provide a PDF or a link to the study for our input) With the government, their research papers are busy collecting dust somewhere, yet they are to benefit the larger community. I know we have a very hardworking PS in the Ministry of InfoCom and I'm sure the various documents there can be availed for our consumption, unless they are classified material! DFID, the Department for International Development: leading the UK Government's fight against world poverty. Find out more at http://www.dfid.gov.uk.
Thanks Victor, a quick glance through the resource you have just posted lends credence to your hypothesis, Listers as we continue with this thread i would like to shift your attentiong to todays topic of discussion which is on Unified Licensing, what benefits have we reaped if any from this move or has it brought about new challenges that might need to be addressed from a policy perspective? On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Victor Gathara <v-gathara@dfid.gov.uk>wrote:
@Solomon
You can find the paper I refer to here http://www.gg.rhul.ac.uk/ict4d/workingpapers/Gathero.doc
Victor
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara <kictanet-bounces%2Bv-gathara>= dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Solomon Mburu Kamau Sent: 07 July 2010 16:32 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre OpticCable IGF Mailing List Discussions
On an earlier thread Victor said he had done some (pre?)fibre studies which had shown some important relationships between the cables and the various sectors such as BPOs. (Maybe he can provide a PDF or a link to the study for our input) With the government, their research papers are busy collecting dust somewhere, yet they are to benefit the larger community.
I know we have a very hardworking PS in the Ministry of InfoCom and I'm sure the various documents there can be availed for our consumption, unless they are classified material!
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Thanks Victor for the document. I'll look at it and have a critical analysis of Kenya being ready fro the fibre optic cables. On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Victor, a quick glance through the resource you have just posted lends credence to your hypothesis, Listers as we continue with this thread i would like to shift your attentiong to todays topic of discussion which is on Unified Licensing, what benefits have we reaped if any from this move or has it brought about new challenges that might need to be addressed from a policy perspective?
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Victor Gathara <v-gathara@dfid.gov.uk>wrote:
@Solomon
You can find the paper I refer to here http://www.gg.rhul.ac.uk/ict4d/workingpapers/Gathero.doc
Victor
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On an earlier thread Victor said he had done some (pre?)fibre studies which had shown some important relationships between the cables and the various sectors such as BPOs. (Maybe he can provide a PDF or a link to the study for our input) With the government, their research papers are busy collecting dust somewhere, yet they are to benefit the larger community.
I know we have a very hardworking PS in the Ministry of InfoCom and I'm sure the various documents there can be availed for our consumption, unless they are classified material!
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Barrack When I did a study on the fibre optic cables a couple of years ago I proposed the following actions by donors to help Kenya reap the benefits of fibre coming to our shores: - targeted funding for the ICT industry to help mitigate the effect of the global recession; - direct investments in infrastructure to help spread points of presence to rural areas; - supporting a Kenyan success story in the Business Process Outsourcing (BPO) sector through marketing support, technical and financial assistance (borrowing loosely from the MPESA model); - lobbying the government for regulation aimed at preventing monopolies developing and speeding up the passing of the Freedom of Information (FOI) act - encouraging debate on the benefits of the sub-marine fibre in the public domain through collaboration with the media and supporting the Ministry of Information and Communications communication strategy. - factor support for the development of a vibrant Kenya ICT industry in the Enterprise Development Programme - lobby for ICT issues among donors - support for the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) - to transform it to a effective national association The danger at the time was that many viewed the arrival of the cables as the 'silver bullet' that would slay the problems facing the ICT industry in East Africa and in so doing catalyse the ICT (followed by the economic) revolution. It shouldn't surprise us that this hasn't happened as connectivity is only but a part of the issues that need to be resolved. Its also early days yet. I believe change in this arena will happen bit by bit (pun intended) until we have critical mass where more massive changes (the expected revolution) will then take place. The pace of the change will be dependent on how quickly the transformative actions above are taken. Victor ________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: 07 July 2010 10:31 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre OpticCable IGF Mailing List Discussions Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Listeners, I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them, then they are a mirage. Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize the opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain that the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity. Well Walu, am already doing research on something related. Sam Aguyo ________________________________ From: Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> To: saguyo@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs. This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage? Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth. The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen! On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: > Barrack, > > internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic > networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers > international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so > they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given > that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international > capacity... > > it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp > surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that > socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not > yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, > eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the > superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD thesis on > why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the > Indian style). > > walu. > > > > --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 > Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing > List Discussions > To: jwalu@yahoo.com > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM > > Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i > suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across > various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down > http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act..., > probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right? > > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks > to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is > still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance > through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the > TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be > good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an > earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted > by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a > boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by > Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to > look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic > perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have > brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the > country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? > Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the > discussion is open > > -- > Barrack O. 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Well put Victor, i suppose the government and related agencies seem to have followed the proposal you have outlined which is very elaborate, i suppose the challenge could be getting the ``people`` or Wanjiku for lack of a better word to appreciate this resources, i am curious since i havent seen this on the list you just posted, could it be an area worth exploring? On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Victor Gathara <v-gathara@dfid.gov.uk>wrote:
Barrack
When I did a study on the fibre optic cables a couple of years ago I proposed the following actions by donors to help Kenya reap the benefits of fibre coming to our shores:
- targeted funding for the ICT industry to help mitigate the effect of the global recession;
- direct investments in infrastructure to help spread points of presence to rural areas;
- supporting a Kenyan success story in the Business Process Outsourcing (BPO) sector through marketing support, technical and financial assistance (borrowing loosely from the MPESA model);
- lobbying the government for regulation aimed at preventing monopolies developing and speeding up the passing of the Freedom of Information (FOI) act
- encouraging debate on the benefits of the sub-marine fibre in the public domain through collaboration with the media and supporting the Ministry of Information and Communications communication strategy.
- factor support for the development of a vibrant Kenya ICT industry in the Enterprise Development Programme
- lobby for ICT issues among donors
- support for the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) - to transform it to a effective national association
The danger at the time was that many viewed the arrival of the cables as the 'silver bullet' that would slay the problems facing the ICT industry in East Africa and in so doing catalyse the ICT (followed by the economic) revolution. It shouldn't surprise us that this hasn't happened as connectivity is only but a part of the issues that need to be resolved. Its also early days yet. I believe change in this arena will happen bit by bit (pun intended) until we have critical mass where more massive changes (the expected revolution) will then take place. The pace of the change will be dependent on how quickly the transformative actions above are taken.
Victor
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Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Listeners,
I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them, then they are a mirage.
Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize the opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain that the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
Sam Aguyo
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*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions
One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage?
Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD thesis on why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down
http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act... ,
probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
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Victor, In your study, you made 2 observations that many (in private sector and government) have overlooked/ and am afraid intend to overlook for many moons to come, in getting the BPO sector up and running. 1. Marketing – the government (and by extension the lenders) should fund marketing Kenya as a BPO destination. There are a handful government agencies that touch on this sector, but interestingly, none of them seem to even have a coherent strategic plan in getting this sector up and running. 2. Funding for BPO entrepreneurs – It is interesting to note that our local banks, VCs, etc (read financial sector) have not seen the potential in the BPO sector and come up with appropriate products. No wonder, some of us (in the BPO space) almost sell our souls to get funding from foreign entities that require an arm and a leg to have them convinced that Kenya is indeed a bankable investment. My thoughts, Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=kenyabposociety.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=kenyabposociety.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Victor Gathara Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:16 AM To: eonchari@kenyabposociety.or.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] My 2cts: Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre OpticCable IGF Mailing List Discussions Barrack When I did a study on the fibre optic cables a couple of years ago I proposed the following actions by donors to help Kenya reap the benefits of fibre coming to our shores: - targeted funding for the ICT industry to help mitigate the effect of the global recession; - direct investments in infrastructure to help spread points of presence to rural areas; - supporting a Kenyan success story in the Business Process Outsourcing (BPO) sector through marketing support, technical and financial assistance (borrowing loosely from the MPESA model); - lobbying the government for regulation aimed at preventing monopolies developing and speeding up the passing of the Freedom of Information (FOI) act - encouraging debate on the benefits of the sub-marine fibre in the public domain through collaboration with the media and supporting the Ministry of Information and Communications communication strategy. - factor support for the development of a vibrant Kenya ICT industry in the Enterprise Development Programme - lobby for ICT issues among donors - support for the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) - to transform it to a effective national association The danger at the time was that many viewed the arrival of the cables as the 'silver bullet' that would slay the problems facing the ICT industry in East Africa and in so doing catalyse the ICT (followed by the economic) revolution. It shouldn't surprise us that this hasn't happened as connectivity is only but a part of the issues that need to be resolved. Its also early days yet. I believe change in this arena will happen bit by bit (pun intended) until we have critical mass where more massive changes (the expected revolution) will then take place. The pace of the change will be dependent on how quickly the transformative actions above are taken. Victor _____ From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: 07 July 2010 10:31 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre OpticCable IGF Mailing List Discussions Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I agree with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding and considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this segment is brought onto the Super highway. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Listeners, I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses. Indeed we have the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it. When the Anti Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i had worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed and now it is go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables if am not mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them, then they are a mirage. Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize the opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain that the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity. Well Walu, am already doing research on something related. Sam Aguyo _____ From: Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> To: saguyo@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs. This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak. Could there be sabotage? Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables. 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff) 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness. 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that would usher quick businesses thus economic growth. The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a. The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen! On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Barrack,
internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our domestic networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy consumers international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com and so they will try to head out of the country through constrained links given that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international capacity...
it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have not yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off, eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have the superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD thesis on why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen (the Indian style).
walu.
--- On Tue, 7/6/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure issues i suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus across various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is down http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-act..., probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Listers,
Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open
-- Barrack O. Otieno +41767892272 Skype: barrack.otieno
-- Barrack O. Otieno +41767892272 Skype: barrack.otieno
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