Revisiting Deadly Thika Road
Listers, Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly! When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what will be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive! Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate. Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
it is indeed sad when state officials defend obvious ills. There is a problem, everyone sees it but they would rather deny it exists and blame detractors. Whatever happened to standards? On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly!
When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what will be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive!
Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate.
Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
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This Thika Road whining is becoming rather tiring. It is your duty as a driver to observe caution and to be your brother's keeper. As a frequent user of the road (all of it) for the last 22 years, I marvel at the new piece of road we have there; as i marvel at recklessness of some drivers. May China's Wu Yi and others move their magic to Ngong road.... On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
it is indeed sad when state officials defend obvious ills.
There is a problem, everyone sees it but they would rather deny it exists and blame detractors. Whatever happened to standards?
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly!
When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what will be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive!
Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate.
Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
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+1 On 16 May 2012 08:19, K Machuhi <kmachuhi@gmail.com> wrote:
This Thika Road whining is becoming rather tiring. It is your duty as a driver to observe caution and to be your brother's keeper. As a frequent user of the road (all of it) for the last 22 years, I marvel at the new piece of road we have there; as i marvel at recklessness of some drivers.
May China's Wu Yi and others move their magic to Ngong road....
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
it is indeed sad when state officials defend obvious ills.
There is a problem, everyone sees it but they would rather deny it exists and blame detractors. Whatever happened to standards?
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly!
When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what will be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive!
Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate.
Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
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I like the way some of us take things casually until that rogue driver rams into you and maims you , I liken it to the way our football stars have abandoned the National team because of mediocre management yet instead of addressing the issue we call it whining and lack of patriotism, lest I forget we need 10 billion to fix our beautifull roads that were recently constructed no wonder MJ called us peculiar, tafakari hayo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 16 May 2012 08:26:40 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road +1 On 16 May 2012 08:19, K Machuhi <kmachuhi@gmail.com> wrote:
This Thika Road whining is becoming rather tiring. It is your duty as a driver to observe caution and to be your brother's keeper. As a frequent user of the road (all of it) for the last 22 years, I marvel at the new piece of road we have there; as i marvel at recklessness of some drivers.
May China's Wu Yi and others move their magic to Ngong road....
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
it is indeed sad when state officials defend obvious ills.
There is a problem, everyone sees it but they would rather deny it exists and blame detractors. Whatever happened to standards?
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly!
When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what will be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive!
Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate.
Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
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Machuhi is possibly dazzled by the new roads! and forgets the high standards that need to be maintained in the actual design and execution....that's the issue. Indiscipline of road users is another issue. We need to separate the issues as we argue our points. I'm glad that media has provided extensive coverage this week and last week with some statements coming from Govt on what they plan to do. Lets embrace open dialogue Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of otieno.barrack@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:31 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road I like the way some of us take things casually until that rogue driver rams into you and maims you , I liken it to the way our football stars have abandoned the National team because of mediocre management yet instead of addressing the issue we call it whining and lack of patriotism, lest I forget we need 10 billion to fix our beautifull roads that were recently constructed no wonder MJ called us peculiar, tafakari hayo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 16 May 2012 08:26:40 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road +1 On 16 May 2012 08:19, K Machuhi <kmachuhi@gmail.com> wrote:
This Thika Road whining is becoming rather tiring. It is your duty as a driver to observe caution and to be your brother's keeper. As a frequent user of the road (all of it) for the last 22 years, I marvel at the new piece of road we have there; as i marvel at recklessness of some drivers.
May China's Wu Yi and others move their magic to Ngong road....
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
it is indeed sad when state officials defend obvious ills.
There is a problem, everyone sees it but they would rather deny it exists and blame detractors. Whatever happened to standards?
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly!
When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what will be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive!
Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate.
Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
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Just a by the way, when the latest and unfortunate blast that hit a Mombasa club yesterday, someone on Facebook aptly put the blame on Prof. Saitoti, urging him to resign. I just couldn't understand the unjustifiable rationale there, yet we harbour crooks in our midst and fail to report them to law enforcers. Now back to this topic, I think it's each person's responsibility to the well-being of all road users on Thika Road or any other road for that matter. When a rogue matatu driver decides to overlap or drives at devil's speed, the passengers will urge him to go ahead, with zest, replicating the 'dereva tia moto', attitude. Yes, each one of us is guilty, because we - from the Minister in charge of roads, traffic cops, drivers and pedestrians - have failed to take a collective responsibility on our roads. We need to stand up and be active participants on how to make our roads safe. It's not just the responsibility of the contractors (or government) but each one of us. On 16/05/2012, otieno.barrack@gmail.com <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
I like the way some of us take things casually until that rogue driver rams into you and maims you , I liken it to the way our football stars have abandoned the National team because of mediocre management yet instead of addressing the issue we call it whining and lack of patriotism, lest I forget we need 10 billion to fix our beautifull roads that were recently constructed no wonder MJ called us peculiar, tafakari hayo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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+1
On 16 May 2012 08:19, K Machuhi <kmachuhi@gmail.com> wrote:
This Thika Road whining is becoming rather tiring. It is your duty as a driver to observe caution and to be your brother's keeper. As a frequent user of the road (all of it) for the last 22 years, I marvel at the new piece of road we have there; as i marvel at recklessness of some drivers.
May China's Wu Yi and others move their magic to Ngong road....
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
it is indeed sad when state officials defend obvious ills.
There is a problem, everyone sees it but they would rather deny it exists and blame detractors. Whatever happened to standards?
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly!
When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what will be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive!
Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate.
Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
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Solomon, that's why we have state agencies to do the job, try stopping an overlapping matatu and they will ask you who you think you are, infact to borrow a previous listers word they will tell you they have driven that way for the last 20 years, I recently circulated the new traffic act to some friends and a learned one informed me that it was just an empty threat until that bill became a law, as a policy making we higlight the issues, look at possible solutions from a policy or regulatory perspective and demand action, aka whining, we have no business teaching people how to stick to their lanes or speed limits, there are people paid to do that work. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Solomon Mbr Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:12:34 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road Just a by the way, when the latest and unfortunate blast that hit a Mombasa club yesterday, someone on Facebook aptly put the blame on Prof. Saitoti, urging him to resign. I just couldn't understand the unjustifiable rationale there, yet we harbour crooks in our midst and fail to report them to law enforcers. Now back to this topic, I think it's each person's responsibility to the well-being of all road users on Thika Road or any other road for that matter. When a rogue matatu driver decides to overlap or drives at devil's speed, the passengers will urge him to go ahead, with zest, replicating the 'dereva tia moto', attitude. Yes, each one of us is guilty, because we - from the Minister in charge of roads, traffic cops, drivers and pedestrians - have failed to take a collective responsibility on our roads. We need to stand up and be active participants on how to make our roads safe. It's not just the responsibility of the contractors (or government) but each one of us. On 16/05/2012, otieno.barrack@gmail.com <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
I like the way some of us take things casually until that rogue driver rams into you and maims you , I liken it to the way our football stars have abandoned the National team because of mediocre management yet instead of addressing the issue we call it whining and lack of patriotism, lest I forget we need 10 billion to fix our beautifull roads that were recently constructed no wonder MJ called us peculiar, tafakari hayo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 16 May 2012 08:26:40 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road
+1
On 16 May 2012 08:19, K Machuhi <kmachuhi@gmail.com> wrote:
This Thika Road whining is becoming rather tiring. It is your duty as a driver to observe caution and to be your brother's keeper. As a frequent user of the road (all of it) for the last 22 years, I marvel at the new piece of road we have there; as i marvel at recklessness of some drivers.
May China's Wu Yi and others move their magic to Ngong road....
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
it is indeed sad when state officials defend obvious ills.
There is a problem, everyone sees it but they would rather deny it exists and blame detractors. Whatever happened to standards?
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly!
When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what will be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive!
Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate.
Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
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Barrack, if you wait for the people charged with that responsibility to act, we shall all perish. Kenyans, including leaders, are known to react and not act. The thing is this, regulations and policies are in place, but who bothers to read them? The implementation of these policies begin with you and I. I have also used Thika Road for more than 20 years and still use it even now, and the marvelous changes in place cannot go unnoticed, but our behaviour has remained the same - act when things have gone wrong. Perhaps, I should ask, who has the original masterplan for Thika Road expansion before the construction begun? And how many times, if any, did we have a public forum to discuss the State of Thika Road, before the actual construction begun? You see why I'm saying we only react when things have gone awry? Let's shift attitude and walk the talk. On 16/05/2012, otieno.barrack@gmail.com <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Solomon, that's why we have state agencies to do the job, try stopping an overlapping matatu and they will ask you who you think you are, infact to borrow a previous listers word they will tell you they have driven that way for the last 20 years, I recently circulated the new traffic act to some friends and a learned one informed me that it was just an empty threat until that bill became a law, as a policy making we higlight the issues, look at possible solutions from a policy or regulatory perspective and demand action, aka whining, we have no business teaching people how to stick to their lanes or speed limits, there are people paid to do that work. Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Solomon Mb r Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:12:34 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road
Just a by the way, when the latest and unfortunate blast that hit a Mombasa club yesterday, someone on Facebook aptly put the blame on Prof. Saitoti, urging him to resign. I just couldn't understand the unjustifiable rationale there, yet we harbour crooks in our midst and fail to report them to law enforcers. Now back to this topic, I think it's each person's responsibility to the well-being of all road users on Thika Road or any other road for that matter. When a rogue matatu driver decides to overlap or drives at devil's speed, the passengers will urge him to go ahead, with zest, replicating the 'dereva tia moto', attitude. Yes, each one of us is guilty, because we - from the Minister in charge of roads, traffic cops, drivers and pedestrians - have failed to take a collective responsibility on our roads. We need to stand up and be active participants on how to make our roads safe. It's not just the responsibility of the contractors (or government) but each one of us.
On 16/05/2012, otieno.barrack@gmail.com <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
I like the way some of us take things casually until that rogue driver rams into you and maims you , I liken it to the way our football stars have abandoned the National team because of mediocre management yet instead of addressing the issue we call it whining and lack of patriotism, lest I forget we need 10 billion to fix our beautifull roads that were recently constructed no wonder MJ called us peculiar, tafakari hayo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 16 May 2012 08:26:40 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road
+1
On 16 May 2012 08:19, K Machuhi <kmachuhi@gmail.com> wrote:
This Thika Road whining is becoming rather tiring. It is your duty as a driver to observe caution and to be your brother's keeper. As a frequent user of the road (all of it) for the last 22 years, I marvel at the new piece of road we have there; as i marvel at recklessness of some drivers.
May China's Wu Yi and others move their magic to Ngong road....
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
it is indeed sad when state officials defend obvious ills.
There is a problem, everyone sees it but they would rather deny it exists and blame detractors. Whatever happened to standards?
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly!
When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what will be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive!
Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate.
Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
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Listers, I think it is a bit rich to be complaining about the yet-to-be-completed Thika Road yet just the other day people were complaining about spending endless hours in traffic where space to even overlap was not there. I speak to Engineer Kidenda so I might as well tell you what he has had to say on Thika Road. First of all, barring maybe rain delay, major completion of works is supposed to be done by end of June during which signage and painting will also have been done. Quoting Engineer Kidenda, new roads are not supposed to be used until they are complete and have been handed over. THat is what happens with most roads as drivers are forced to use diversions. It was impossible for this to be done on Thika Road so construction had to be done as the road is being used. END QUOTE. You have to appreciate the magnitude of that feat before we start complaining that the roads have not been painted or signs put up. That is the last thing usually done on roads. In the meantime, there is nothing special about Thika Road compared to highways in Johannesburg or London. What is SPECIAL is road users who have no courtesy and have the manners of village louts. These are the ones to blame not government agencies. Regards, Mbuguss
I concur. And I think some of us might be reminded of the people Moses led out of Egypt - and their endless kvetching/whining/griping...and yet they were free - they had food and they a sort of vision 2040 (40 years in the wilderness) ...but they made it eventually. Its good to look at the half full glass - rather than complain its not a crystal glass. Otherwise we should petition the government to demolish Thika Road since it seems to bring more bad things than good :-) On 16 May 2012 11:28, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I think it is a bit rich to be complaining about the yet-to-be-completed Thika Road yet just the other day people were complaining about spending endless hours in traffic where space to even overlap was not there.
I speak to Engineer Kidenda so I might as well tell you what he has had to say on Thika Road.
First of all, barring maybe rain delay, major completion of works is supposed to be done by end of June during which signage and painting will also have been done.
Quoting Engineer Kidenda, new roads are not supposed to be used until they are complete and have been handed over. THat is what happens with most roads as drivers are forced to use diversions.
It was impossible for this to be done on Thika Road so construction had to be done as the road is being used. END QUOTE.
You have to appreciate the magnitude of that feat before we start complaining that the roads have not been painted or signs put up. That is the last thing usually done on roads.
In the meantime, there is nothing special about Thika Road compared to highways in Johannesburg or London.
What is SPECIAL is road users who have no courtesy and have the manners of village louts.
These are the ones to blame not government agencies.
Regards,
Mbuguss
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We should not accept mediocrity because we have never seen such roads! That's the mentality Kenyans need to shelf! We must hold our leaders to account and demand high standards nothing less. The issue is with the design of some of the road sections, let alone the number of deaths on the road. Have a safe day! -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Francis Hook Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:14 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road I concur. And I think some of us might be reminded of the people Moses led out of Egypt - and their endless kvetching/whining/griping...and yet they were free - they had food and they a sort of vision 2040 (40 years in the wilderness) ...but they made it eventually. Its good to look at the half full glass - rather than complain its not a crystal glass. Otherwise we should petition the government to demolish Thika Road since it seems to bring more bad things than good :-) On 16 May 2012 11:28, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I think it is a bit rich to be complaining about the yet-to-be-completed Thika Road yet just the other day people were complaining about spending endless hours in traffic where space to even overlap was not there.
I speak to Engineer Kidenda so I might as well tell you what he has had to say on Thika Road.
First of all, barring maybe rain delay, major completion of works is supposed to be done by end of June during which signage and painting will also have been done.
Quoting Engineer Kidenda, new roads are not supposed to be used until they are complete and have been handed over. THat is what happens with most roads as drivers are forced to use diversions.
It was impossible for this to be done on Thika Road so construction had to be done as the road is being used. END QUOTE.
You have to appreciate the magnitude of that feat before we start complaining that the roads have not been painted or signs put up. That is the last thing usually done on roads.
In the meantime, there is nothing special about Thika Road compared to highways in Johannesburg or London.
What is SPECIAL is road users who have no courtesy and have the manners of village louts.
These are the ones to blame not government agencies.
Regards,
Mbuguss
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Francis this is a classic animal farm debate, the haves and the havenots :-) Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:13:45 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road I concur. And I think some of us might be reminded of the people Moses led out of Egypt - and their endless kvetching/whining/griping...and yet they were free - they had food and they a sort of vision 2040 (40 years in the wilderness) ...but they made it eventually. Its good to look at the half full glass - rather than complain its not a crystal glass. Otherwise we should petition the government to demolish Thika Road since it seems to bring more bad things than good :-) On 16 May 2012 11:28, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I think it is a bit rich to be complaining about the yet-to-be-completed Thika Road yet just the other day people were complaining about spending endless hours in traffic where space to even overlap was not there.
I speak to Engineer Kidenda so I might as well tell you what he has had to say on Thika Road.
First of all, barring maybe rain delay, major completion of works is supposed to be done by end of June during which signage and painting will also have been done.
Quoting Engineer Kidenda, new roads are not supposed to be used until they are complete and have been handed over. THat is what happens with most roads as drivers are forced to use diversions.
It was impossible for this to be done on Thika Road so construction had to be done as the road is being used. END QUOTE.
You have to appreciate the magnitude of that feat before we start complaining that the roads have not been painted or signs put up. That is the last thing usually done on roads.
In the meantime, there is nothing special about Thika Road compared to highways in Johannesburg or London.
What is SPECIAL is road users who have no courtesy and have the manners of village louts.
These are the ones to blame not government agencies.
Regards,
Mbuguss
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If after completion of the project,there will still be outstanding safety issues,then that will provide opportunity for mitigation measures which can easily be included in the Smart City initiative now undergoing stakeholder consultation. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:13:45 To: <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road I concur. And I think some of us might be reminded of the people Moses led out of Egypt - and their endless kvetching/whining/griping...and yet they were free - they had food and they a sort of vision 2040 (40 years in the wilderness) ...but they made it eventually. Its good to look at the half full glass - rather than complain its not a crystal glass. Otherwise we should petition the government to demolish Thika Road since it seems to bring more bad things than good :-) On 16 May 2012 11:28, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I think it is a bit rich to be complaining about the yet-to-be-completed Thika Road yet just the other day people were complaining about spending endless hours in traffic where space to even overlap was not there.
I speak to Engineer Kidenda so I might as well tell you what he has had to say on Thika Road.
First of all, barring maybe rain delay, major completion of works is supposed to be done by end of June during which signage and painting will also have been done.
Quoting Engineer Kidenda, new roads are not supposed to be used until they are complete and have been handed over. THat is what happens with most roads as drivers are forced to use diversions.
It was impossible for this to be done on Thika Road so construction had to be done as the road is being used. END QUOTE.
You have to appreciate the magnitude of that feat before we start complaining that the roads have not been painted or signs put up. That is the last thing usually done on roads.
In the meantime, there is nothing special about Thika Road compared to highways in Johannesburg or London.
What is SPECIAL is road users who have no courtesy and have the manners of village louts.
These are the ones to blame not government agencies.
Regards,
Mbuguss
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Mbuguss, I shall treat that as hearsay, why can't the engineer engage citizens the way Mugo Kibati and others have done on this list is he busy or is KENHA a private entity ? Even villagers have rights a village is a reflection of its leadership, let the good engineer know that we are really unhappy he should not engage a stakeholder forum like this through proxies especially when listers have requested to engage him. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 16 May 2012 11:28:52 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road Listers, I think it is a bit rich to be complaining about the yet-to-be-completed Thika Road yet just the other day people were complaining about spending endless hours in traffic where space to even overlap was not there. I speak to Engineer Kidenda so I might as well tell you what he has had to say on Thika Road. First of all, barring maybe rain delay, major completion of works is supposed to be done by end of June during which signage and painting will also have been done. Quoting Engineer Kidenda, new roads are not supposed to be used until they are complete and have been handed over. THat is what happens with most roads as drivers are forced to use diversions. It was impossible for this to be done on Thika Road so construction had to be done as the road is being used. END QUOTE. You have to appreciate the magnitude of that feat before we start complaining that the roads have not been painted or signs put up. That is the last thing usually done on roads. In the meantime, there is nothing special about Thika Road compared to highways in Johannesburg or London. What is SPECIAL is road users who have no courtesy and have the manners of village louts. These are the ones to blame not government agencies. Regards, Mbuguss _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I agree, our leaders are responsible for speeding motorists. They must be held accountable for all the drunk motorists. The leaders should have made sure foot bridges were constructed before constructing the road. The leaders should vote themselves out come the next elections, for their failures
Barrack Engineer Kidenda as his title suggests is a civil works man. This is a list called Kenya ICT Action Network - it is not a free-for-all forum that Kidenda has been invited to and refused to engage. Secondly, I happen to be a journalist. I interview Kidenda, Kamau of Roads, Bett etc frequently. It is not that Kenha is engaging through proxies ( please let us not ascribe intentions to people we have not even met or spoken to. That is just plain lack of respect and fallacious). Lastly, as to designs as Esther pointed out, the financier of this road, African Development Bank, appointed in addition to the Chinese companies, an independent consultant to check on the standards). Perhaps, the man to engage is Makajuma at the infrastructure department at the AfDB as he is overseeing this process. Also, perhaps as a point of information, the designing of the LAMU-Lokichoggio highway (the road component of the LAPSSET project) is underway and is again funded by AfDB to the tune of US$12million for the 800-Km road. Perhaps it would be a good time to engage authorities on designs as Thika Road is way past that stage. Mbuguss On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM, <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Mbuguss,
I shall treat that as hearsay, why can't the engineer engage citizens the way Mugo Kibati and others have done on this list is he busy or is KENHA a private entity ? Even villagers have rights a village is a reflection of its leadership, let the good engineer know that we are really unhappy he should not engage a stakeholder forum like this through proxies especially when listers have requested to engage him. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Listers,
I think it is a bit rich to be complaining about the yet-to-be-completed Thika Road yet just the other day people were complaining about spending endless hours in traffic where space to even overlap was not there.
I speak to Engineer Kidenda so I might as well tell you what he has had to say on Thika Road.
First of all, barring maybe rain delay, major completion of works is supposed to be done by end of June during which signage and painting will also have been done.
Quoting Engineer Kidenda, new roads are not supposed to be used until they are complete and have been handed over. THat is what happens with most roads as drivers are forced to use diversions.
It was impossible for this to be done on Thika Road so construction had to be done as the road is being used. END QUOTE.
You have to appreciate the magnitude of that feat before we start complaining that the roads have not been painted or signs put up. That is the last thing usually done on roads.
In the meantime, there is nothing special about Thika Road compared to highways in Johannesburg or London.
What is SPECIAL is road users who have no courtesy and have the manners of village louts.
These are the ones to blame not government agencies.
Regards,
Mbuguss
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Mbuguss, At the beginning of this discussion we decided to classify the road as part of infrastructure, we are not just heckling this is why design issues are important to all of us, haven't you seen contractors digging up the roads to put fibre ducts this is why we can't assume that this is not part of ICTs, its a pity a member of this list Mr. Oloo Khisa copied our concerns to Kenha for them to keep quiet is plain disrespect for the Citizenry and listers and I don't apologise for demanding that they address us so please pass the message we don't want PR. I have a right to express myself and ruble rouse when the point is not getting home. As a good citizen I apologise if I offended you, next time just say in advance that you are reporting you mentioned that you had been talking to the good engineer and went further to quote him, hiyo hatutaki government reports to the Citizens however dumb they are, whereas Citizens are accountable to govt. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:31:53 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: <kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road Barrack Engineer Kidenda as his title suggests is a civil works man. This is a list called Kenya ICT Action Network - it is not a free-for-all forum that Kidenda has been invited to and refused to engage. Secondly, I happen to be a journalist. I interview Kidenda, Kamau of Roads, Bett etc frequently. It is not that Kenha is engaging through proxies ( please let us not ascribe intentions to people we have not even met or spoken to. That is just plain lack of respect and fallacious). Lastly, as to designs as Esther pointed out, the financier of this road, African Development Bank, appointed in addition to the Chinese companies, an independent consultant to check on the standards). Perhaps, the man to engage is Makajuma at the infrastructure department at the AfDB as he is overseeing this process. Also, perhaps as a point of information, the designing of the LAMU-Lokichoggio highway (the road component of the LAPSSET project) is underway and is again funded by AfDB to the tune of US$12million for the 800-Km road. Perhaps it would be a good time to engage authorities on designs as Thika Road is way past that stage. Mbuguss On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM, <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Mbuguss,
I shall treat that as hearsay, why can't the engineer engage citizens the way Mugo Kibati and others have done on this list is he busy or is KENHA a private entity ? Even villagers have rights a village is a reflection of its leadership, let the good engineer know that we are really unhappy he should not engage a stakeholder forum like this through proxies especially when listers have requested to engage him. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Listers,
I think it is a bit rich to be complaining about the yet-to-be-completed Thika Road yet just the other day people were complaining about spending endless hours in traffic where space to even overlap was not there.
I speak to Engineer Kidenda so I might as well tell you what he has had to say on Thika Road.
First of all, barring maybe rain delay, major completion of works is supposed to be done by end of June during which signage and painting will also have been done.
Quoting Engineer Kidenda, new roads are not supposed to be used until they are complete and have been handed over. THat is what happens with most roads as drivers are forced to use diversions.
It was impossible for this to be done on Thika Road so construction had to be done as the road is being used. END QUOTE.
You have to appreciate the magnitude of that feat before we start complaining that the roads have not been painted or signs put up. That is the last thing usually done on roads.
In the meantime, there is nothing special about Thika Road compared to highways in Johannesburg or London.
What is SPECIAL is road users who have no courtesy and have the manners of village louts.
These are the ones to blame not government agencies.
Regards,
Mbuguss
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[?]Listers, as we discuss the issue of IT in infrastructure development we digress when we only mention Thika road, we need to look at IT as vision 2090 to enable us and the generation that will be there take advantage of our work/discussions: Our drivers are not products of the roads but poor training , Scandinavian countries take up to 3 years before anyone can be acclaimed as a certified driver- Create more accountable driving schools and exam system that churns out true drivers tested in driving throughout all the weather conditions There is no tracking system within the issuing authorities to verify fake licences on the spot-Create an application where all DLs can verified vide a simple SMS once issued The Insurance industry has its tails between its legs and is not using IT a s means of reducing accidents/fake claims- Create a database for all DLs and insurance policies and accident vehicles that can also be accessed seamless via SMS/Email to eliminate write offs finding their way back on our roads Our ISP have not taken advantage of the fibre optic infrastructure to roll out more creative services to increase their revenue using traffic as a tool-Install cameras on all roads and start an alert service for those willing to pay to avoid the gridlock We have lawyers on this list that would take up the court case on pro bono to force some of these line ministries to adhere to the rule of law-Wangari Maathai single handedly fought for our forests let us see one of them fight for our sanity As a previous lister once mentioned lets stop whining and take action Edward Lusega
This is an interesting debate. Can we integrate driving training and IT? For instance replacing the analogue practical component (manouvering toy cars on the board) with a digital system that would simulate different driving conditions in the country and award marks just like in international Computer driving licence (ICDL) tests. May be one will have to pass this stage with certain percentage before taking the driving test in a real car or lorry. The on-line registration for the test would help to establish a database of drivers, reduce 'buying' of the driving licences and standardize the driving schools training. Is there any training of trainers in driving schools? Who trains the driving schools trainers? --- On Wed, 5/16/12, Edward Lusega <elusega@gmail.com> wrote: From: Edward Lusega <elusega@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road To: scmutunga@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 10:14 AM [?]Listers, as we discuss the issue of IT in infrastructure development we digress when we only mention Thika road, we need to look at IT as vision 2090 to enable us and the generation that will be there take advantage of our work/discussions: Our drivers are not products of the roads but poor training , Scandinavian countries take up to 3 years before anyone can be acclaimed as a certified driver- Create more accountable driving schools and exam system that churns out true drivers tested in driving throughout all the weather conditions There is no tracking system within the issuing authorities to verify fake licences on the spot-Create an application where all DLs can verified vide a simple SMS once issued The Insurance industry has its tails between its legs and is not using IT a s means of reducing accidents/fake claims- Create a database for all DLs and insurance policies and accident vehicles that can also be accessed seamless via SMS/Email to eliminate write offs finding their way back on our roads Our ISP have not taken advantage of the fibre optic infrastructure to roll out more creative services to increase their revenue using traffic as a tool-Install cameras on all roads and start an alert service for those willing to pay to avoid the gridlock We have lawyers on this list that would take up the court case on pro bono to force some of these line ministries to adhere to the rule of law-Wangari Maathai single handedly fought for our forests let us see one of them fight for our sanity As a previous lister once mentioned lets stop whining and take action Edward Lusega _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/scmutunga%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
This is an interesting debate. Can we integrate driving training and IT? For instance replacing the analogue practical component (manouvering toy cars on the board) with a digital system that would simulate different driving conditions in the country and award marks just like in international Computer driving licence (ICDL) tests. May be one will have to pass this stage with certain percentage before taking the driving test in a real car or lorry. The on-line registration for the test would help to establish a database of drivers, reduce 'buying' of the driving licences and standardize the driving schools training. Is there any training of trainers in driving schools? Who trains the driving schools trainers? --- On Wed, 5/16/12, Edward Lusega <elusega@gmail.com> wrote: From: Edward Lusega <elusega@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road To: scmutunga@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 10:14 AM [?]Listers, as we discuss the issue of IT in infrastructure development we digress when we only mention Thika road, we need to look at IT as vision 2090 to enable us and the generation that will be there take advantage of our work/discussions: Our drivers are not products of the roads but poor training , Scandinavian countries take up to 3 years before anyone can be acclaimed as a certified driver- Create more accountable driving schools and exam system that churns out true drivers tested in driving throughout all the weather conditions There is no tracking system within the issuing authorities to verify fake licences on the spot-Create an application where all DLs can verified vide a simple SMS once issued The Insurance industry has its tails between its legs and is not using IT a s means of reducing accidents/fake claims- Create a database for all DLs and insurance policies and accident vehicles that can also be accessed seamless via SMS/Email to eliminate write offs finding their way back on our roads Our ISP have not taken advantage of the fibre optic infrastructure to roll out more creative services to increase their revenue using traffic as a tool-Install cameras on all roads and start an alert service for those willing to pay to avoid the gridlock We have lawyers on this list that would take up the court case on pro bono to force some of these line ministries to adhere to the rule of law-Wangari Maathai single handedly fought for our forests let us see one of them fight for our sanity As a previous lister once mentioned lets stop whining and take action Edward Lusega _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/scmutunga%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
When its everyone's duty then it becomes no-ones duty. Road signs are a basic necessity on a road and so is user education and enforcement of regulations. A matatu stopping on the highway to pick up passengers should loose its TLB license, driver should be arrested etc. is that 40 million Kenyans responsibility? On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
Just a by the way, when the latest and unfortunate blast that hit a Mombasa club yesterday, someone on Facebook aptly put the blame on Prof. Saitoti, urging him to resign. I just couldn't understand the unjustifiable rationale there, yet we harbour crooks in our midst and fail to report them to law enforcers. Now back to this topic, I think it's each person's responsibility to the well-being of all road users on Thika Road or any other road for that matter. When a rogue matatu driver decides to overlap or drives at devil's speed, the passengers will urge him to go ahead, with zest, replicating the 'dereva tia moto', attitude. Yes, each one of us is guilty, because we - from the Minister in charge of roads, traffic cops, drivers and pedestrians - have failed to take a collective responsibility on our roads. We need to stand up and be active participants on how to make our roads safe. It's not just the responsibility of the contractors (or government) but each one of us.
I like the way some of us take things casually until that rogue driver rams into you and maims you , I liken it to the way our football stars have abandoned the National team because of mediocre management yet instead of addressing the issue we call it whining and lack of patriotism, lest I forget we need 10 billion to fix our beautifull roads that were recently constructed no wonder MJ called us peculiar, tafakari hayo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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On 16 May 2012 08:19, K Machuhi <kmachuhi@gmail.com> wrote:
This Thika Road whining is becoming rather tiring. It is your duty as a driver to observe caution and to be your brother's keeper. As a frequent user of the road (all of it) for the last 22 years, I marvel at the new piece of road we have there; as i marvel at recklessness of some drivers.
May China's Wu Yi and others move their magic to Ngong road....
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
it is indeed sad when state officials defend obvious ills.
There is a problem, everyone sees it but they would rather deny it exists and blame detractors. Whatever happened to standards?
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke>
wrote:
Listers,
Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly!
When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what
will
be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive!
Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate.
Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
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The laws are supposed to be deterrent but not too punitive. You cannot take away a Matatu's TLB license because it has broken rules. That would be punishing the investor who always wants the best from his investment. Its like blacklisting a security firm because a guard was found stealing. Probably we should cultivate a sense of responsibility and ethics to road users. Private car owners disobey traffic rules with the same impunity as PSV vehicles. On 16/05/2012, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
When its everyone's duty then it becomes no-ones duty. Road signs are a basic necessity on a road and so is user education and enforcement of regulations. A matatu stopping on the highway to pick up passengers should loose its TLB license, driver should be arrested etc. is that 40 million Kenyans responsibility?
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
Just a by the way, when the latest and unfortunate blast that hit a Mombasa club yesterday, someone on Facebook aptly put the blame on Prof. Saitoti, urging him to resign. I just couldn't understand the unjustifiable rationale there, yet we harbour crooks in our midst and fail to report them to law enforcers. Now back to this topic, I think it's each person's responsibility to the well-being of all road users on Thika Road or any other road for that matter. When a rogue matatu driver decides to overlap or drives at devil's speed, the passengers will urge him to go ahead, with zest, replicating the 'dereva tia moto', attitude. Yes, each one of us is guilty, because we - from the Minister in charge of roads, traffic cops, drivers and pedestrians - have failed to take a collective responsibility on our roads. We need to stand up and be active participants on how to make our roads safe. It's not just the responsibility of the contractors (or government) but each one of us.
I like the way some of us take things casually until that rogue driver rams into you and maims you , I liken it to the way our football stars have abandoned the National team because of mediocre management yet instead of addressing the issue we call it whining and lack of patriotism, lest I forget we need 10 billion to fix our beautifull roads that were recently constructed no wonder MJ called us peculiar, tafakari hayo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 16 May 2012 08:26:40 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road
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On 16 May 2012 08:19, K Machuhi <kmachuhi@gmail.com> wrote:
This Thika Road whining is becoming rather tiring. It is your duty as a driver to observe caution and to be your brother's keeper. As a frequent user of the road (all of it) for the last 22 years, I marvel at the new piece of road we have there; as i marvel at recklessness of some drivers.
May China's Wu Yi and others move their magic to Ngong road....
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
it is indeed sad when state officials defend obvious ills.
There is a problem, everyone sees it but they would rather deny it exists and blame detractors. Whatever happened to standards?
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke>
wrote:
Listers,
Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly!
When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what
will
be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive!
Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate.
Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
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Thank you Machuhi for pointing out where the greatest problem lies; it lies with us as road users. You do not need a roads sign to 'Keep left unless you are overtaking'. Eng. Kidenda need not be present to stop you from overlapping and making U-turns at the wrong places. Kenyan road users act with the greatest impunity anywhere; and not just matatus. Granted, pedestrians and school children who must cross eight lanes to school are in danger. But who uses a pedestrian overpass in Kenya? What about the thieves who steal road signs to get scrap metal? Maybe a massive campaign and education for road users is needed as no amount of signage will stop Kenyans from dying on Thika road? Peter On 16 May 2012 08:19, K Machuhi <kmachuhi@gmail.com> wrote:
This Thika Road whining is becoming rather tiring. It is your duty as a driver to observe caution and to be your brother's keeper. As a frequent user of the road (all of it) for the last 22 years, I marvel at the new piece of road we have there; as i marvel at recklessness of some drivers.
May China's Wu Yi and others move their magic to Ngong road....
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
it is indeed sad when state officials defend obvious ills.
There is a problem, everyone sees it but they would rather deny it exists and blame detractors. Whatever happened to standards?
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Very sad indeed to hear the Minister of Roads (today on TV) defend Thika road unconvincingly!
When things are not done well, we must be honest enough to acknowledge where things went wrong and to come up with some proposals on what will be done to improve the works and address the high road carnage. Rather than resort to the usual defensive position - that does not help anyone Minister Bett. I would have expected you to have an open forum to discuss the concerns of Kenyans rather than be so dismissive!
Despite being assured that the issue had been brought to the attention of Eng Kidenda, there is no response to date! Grace, I wonder if you had any luck in reaching Eng Kidenda for an open debate.
Edith, Concerned Kenyan Citizen!
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Peter this is where engineer Kidenda comes in, we don't want shoddy work, if a road is opened up appropriate measures have to be taken to ensure safety and security of the users, we are making this debate petty no wonder we are calling it whining and it appears some of us are resigned to the status quo, if it were that cheap it would not have received massive coverage from the media, I wish the concerned people can be sermoned by the relevant parliamentary commitees. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Peter Kenduiywo <pkenduiywo@jambo.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:57 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
participants (13)
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Dennis Kioko -
Edith Adera -
Edward Lusega -
Francis Hook -
Isaac Mutunga -
James Mbugua -
K Machuhi -
Kivuva -
Mark Mwangi -
ngethe.kariuki2007＠yahoo.co.uk -
otieno.barrack＠gmail.com -
Peter Kenduiywo -
Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau