From here this looks like a stone that would kill several birds, KRA has the means to enforce financial penalties, speed cams connected
This is an open question specifically directed at PS Ndemo, Hon Eng Rege and anyone in KRA in this group. Just how difficult is it to: 1: Buy speed cams. (KRA / GOK) 2: legislate instant penalties for overspeeding. (GOK) 3: Charge KRA with the responsibility of enforcing these penalties. (GOK legislation) directly to KRA eliminate a lot of beneficiaries in the middle and last but not least, these will be ETRs of sort, they can even pay for themselves. -- posted from my huaweii idiot in a msa malindi matatu at 180kph --- -- “The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy” ~ Alex Carey ~ Tel No: 0x2af23696
We have on several occasions met with our counterparts in Transport and offered to help manage traffic using CCT. Mombasa road for example has the technology deployed. You can watch all manner of things that happen on that road up to the airport. We can easily deploy these technologies in many of the roads. I will make another attempt. We do not need any new legislation. When you break the law, it does not matter how you are caught. We all have the responsibility not just KRA. The Ministry of Transport has the greatest responsibility and I will pursue them as a responsible Kenyan. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 04:51:32 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Speed Cameras This is an open question specifically directed at PS Ndemo, Hon Eng Rege and anyone in KRA in this group. Just how difficult is it to: 1: Buy speed cams. (KRA / GOK) 2: legislate instant penalties for overspeeding. (GOK) 3: Charge KRA with the responsibility of enforcing these penalties. (GOK legislation) From here this looks like a stone that would kill several birds, KRA has the means to enforce financial penalties, speed cams connected directly to KRA eliminate a lot of beneficiaries in the middle and last but not least, these will be ETRs of sort, they can even pay for themselves. -- posted from my huaweii idiot in a msa malindi matatu at 180kph --- -- “The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy” ~ Alex Carey ~ Tel No: 0x2af23696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
A peculiar observation about Mombasa Road, when we have dignitaries flying in the morning, there is no traffic.Does this mean that traffic is ignored on other days as not being critical? A recent article on Business Week says roundabouts are developed to eliminate traffic light delays making traffic flow faster. How comes this is not the case in Kenya, and why do we have both lights and roundabouts?
Dennis, The answer to your questions is that I do not know. At some point in this forum I offered to get senior Government officials respond to IT related issues but the offer was not followed up. Both the AG and the SG had agreed to be the trail blazers. I am waiting. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:34:12 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Speed Cameras A peculiar observation about Mombasa Road, when we have dignitaries flying in the morning, there is no traffic.Does this mean that traffic is ignored on other days as not being critical? A recent article on Business Week says roundabouts are developed to eliminate traffic light delays making traffic flow faster. How comes this is not the case in Kenya, and why do we have both lights and roundabouts?
maybe Daktari you could attempt to bring onto the discussion relevant persons once more on this issue, never give up on us, there might just be someone ready and willing to push through in their mandate, worst case scenario, why not try a "mututho" type approach with the honourable members in this list... On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:09 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Dennis, The answer to your questions is that I do not know. At some point in this forum I offered to get senior Government officials respond to IT related issues but the offer was not followed up. Both the AG and the SG had agreed to be the trail blazers. I am waiting.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® ________________________________ From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:34:12 +0300 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Speed Cameras A peculiar observation about Mombasa Road, when we have dignitaries flying in the morning, there is no traffic.Does this mean that traffic is ignored on other days as not being critical?
A recent article on Business Week says roundabouts are developed to eliminate traffic light delays making traffic flow faster. How comes this is not the case in Kenya, and why do we have both lights and roundabouts?
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At the same time Daktari, maybe you could have someone see if Kenya Police can release Traffic Accident reports (digital) in a regular timeline including Matatu Saccos involved
We have been approaching every department including Police that does not keep sensitive data to give us the data for Open Government. I think most people are seeing sense in this and soon we hope to have some new data. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:21:34 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Speed Cameras _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dennis, You forget the 3rd component on our roads, policemen. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011, 20:34 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Speed Cameras A peculiar observation about Mombasa Road, when we have dignitaries flying in the morning, there is no traffic.Does this mean that traffic is ignored on other days as not being critical? A recent article on Business Week says roundabouts are developed to eliminate traffic light delays making traffic flow faster. How comes this is not the case in Kenya, and why do we have both lights and roundabouts? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Im happy that attempts have been made. is it possible Daktari to highlight in your opinion what made them not succeed, that way as responsible kenyans we can also seek to follow / remind you about the traffic cams as you seek to engage those involved. They could even get investors taking chunks of road and installing speed cams. i bet with appropriate ROI many would take up on the offer. ps: my suggestion to involve the KRA as the implementation agent is simply that we would eliminate unnecessary repetition of work. everyone eventually interacts with KRA. which is kind of a nice, self policing strategy. On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:56 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
We have on several occasions met with our counterparts in Transport and offered to help manage traffic using CCT. Mombasa road for example has the technology deployed. You can watch all manner of things that happen on that road up to the airport. We can easily deploy these technologies in many of the roads. I will make another attempt. We do not need any new legislation. When you break the law, it does not matter how you are caught.
We all have the responsibility not just KRA. The Ministry of Transport has the greatest responsibility and I will pursue them as a responsible Kenyan.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 04:51:32 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Speed Cameras
This is an open question specifically directed at PS Ndemo, Hon Eng Rege and anyone in KRA in this group.
Just how difficult is it to:
1: Buy speed cams. (KRA / GOK) 2: legislate instant penalties for overspeeding. (GOK) 3: Charge KRA with the responsibility of enforcing these penalties. (GOK legislation)
From here this looks like a stone that would kill several birds, KRA has the means to enforce financial penalties, speed cams connected directly to KRA eliminate a lot of beneficiaries in the middle and last but not least, these will be ETRs of sort, they can even pay for themselves.
-- posted from my huaweii idiot in a msa malindi matatu at 180kph ---
-- “The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
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The problem with the transport sector is the institutional framework. Everyone has authority, but none is willing to take responsibility. Am reminded of an incident a while back where one authority attempted to vary speed limits, and another claimed the assets on which the limits were being imposed belonged to them. Therefore no one else could take action. This scenario is repeated in various interventions. The speed cameras issue, without a champion and a legal framework to support it, will see some wily Kenyan going round it or one of the institutions ensuring it fails. That is my fear. I truly hope I am wrong. Kind regards Eric Aligula Sent from my iPad On 20 Nov 2011, at 20:49, "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Im happy that attempts have been made. is it possible Daktari to highlight in your opinion what made them not succeed, that way as responsible kenyans we can also seek to follow / remind you about the traffic cams as you seek to engage those involved. They could even get investors taking chunks of road and installing speed cams. i bet with appropriate ROI many would take up on the offer.
ps: my suggestion to involve the KRA as the implementation agent is simply that we would eliminate unnecessary repetition of work. everyone eventually interacts with KRA. which is kind of a nice, self policing strategy.
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:56 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
We have on several occasions met with our counterparts in Transport and offered to help manage traffic using CCT. Mombasa road for example has the technology deployed. You can watch all manner of things that happen on that road up to the airport. We can easily deploy these technologies in many of the roads. I will make another attempt. We do not need any new legislation. When you break the law, it does not matter how you are caught.
We all have the responsibility not just KRA. The Ministry of Transport has the greatest responsibility and I will pursue them as a responsible Kenyan.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 04:51:32 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Speed Cameras
This is an open question specifically directed at PS Ndemo, Hon Eng Rege and anyone in KRA in this group.
Just how difficult is it to:
1: Buy speed cams. (KRA / GOK) 2: legislate instant penalties for overspeeding. (GOK) 3: Charge KRA with the responsibility of enforcing these penalties. (GOK legislation)
From here this looks like a stone that would kill several birds, KRA has the means to enforce financial penalties, speed cams connected directly to KRA eliminate a lot of beneficiaries in the middle and last but not least, these will be ETRs of sort, they can even pay for themselves.
-- posted from my huaweii idiot in a msa malindi matatu at 180kph ---
-- “The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
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~ Alex Carey ~
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You are right on KRA. Indeed they have RFID infrastructure in most of our roads. I shall keep you updated. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:50:31 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Speed Cameras Im happy that attempts have been made. is it possible Daktari to highlight in your opinion what made them not succeed, that way as responsible kenyans we can also seek to follow / remind you about the traffic cams as you seek to engage those involved. They could even get investors taking chunks of road and installing speed cams. i bet with appropriate ROI many would take up on the offer. ps: my suggestion to involve the KRA as the implementation agent is simply that we would eliminate unnecessary repetition of work. everyone eventually interacts with KRA. which is kind of a nice, self policing strategy. On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:56 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
We have on several occasions met with our counterparts in Transport and offered to help manage traffic using CCT. Mombasa road for example has the technology deployed. You can watch all manner of things that happen on that road up to the airport. We can easily deploy these technologies in many of the roads. I will make another attempt. We do not need any new legislation. When you break the law, it does not matter how you are caught.
We all have the responsibility not just KRA. The Ministry of Transport has the greatest responsibility and I will pursue them as a responsible Kenyan.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 04:51:32 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Speed Cameras
This is an open question specifically directed at PS Ndemo, Hon Eng Rege and anyone in KRA in this group.
Just how difficult is it to:
1: Buy speed cams. (KRA / GOK) 2: legislate instant penalties for overspeeding. (GOK) 3: Charge KRA with the responsibility of enforcing these penalties. (GOK legislation)
From here this looks like a stone that would kill several birds, KRA has the means to enforce financial penalties, speed cams connected directly to KRA eliminate a lot of beneficiaries in the middle and last but not least, these will be ETRs of sort, they can even pay for themselves.
-- posted from my huaweii idiot in a msa malindi matatu at 180kph ---
-- “The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
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robert yawe