Registrar of Companies computerisation
Hi, I believe we had been informed on this list that the registrar of companies had installed a new electronic system. Last week I asked my company secretary to get us a CR12 which is a document confirming the current directors of a company that is issued by the registrar of companies. He told me that it normally takes 3 days, I then mentioned to him that the department had been computerised and I that it should not take more than a day to get the document. I have spoken to him this morning and he told me that they where informed that the process now takes 1 week up from the previous 3 days. My question to e-government and KICTB, the department of the registrar of companies computerised or not and if it is exactly which functions have been completed? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Robert, Good luck if you can get it in a week. Mine took 2 months and at one point my letter was "lost". Regards, Harry Karanja Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:19 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
I believe we had been informed on this list that the registrar of companies had installed a new electronic system.
Last week I asked my company secretary to get us a CR12 which is a document confirming the current directors of a company that is issued by the registrar of companies. He told me that it normally takes 3 days, I then mentioned to him that the department had been computerised and I that it should not take more than a day to get the document.
I have spoken to him this morning and he told me that they where informed that the process now takes 1 week up from the previous 3 days.
My question to e-government and KICTB, the department of the registrar of companies computerised or not and if it is exactly which functions have been completed?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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I think in addition to computerisation some people need prayer, they are stuck with very crazy mentalities, change management 2.0 Kind Regards On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Harry Karanja <kairo@softlaw.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, Good luck if you can get it in a week. Mine took 2 months and at one point my letter was "lost".
Regards, Harry Karanja
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On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:19 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
I believe we had been informed on this list that the registrar of companies had installed a new electronic system.
Last week I asked my company secretary to get us a CR12 which is a document confirming the current directors of a company that is issued by the registrar of companies. He told me that it normally takes 3 days, I then mentioned to him that the department had been computerised and I that it should not take more than a day to get the document.
I have spoken to him this morning and he told me that they where informed that the process now takes 1 week up from the previous 3 days.
My question to e-government and KICTB, the department of the registrar of companies computerised or not and if it is exactly which functions have been completed?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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I think in addition to computerisation some people need prayer, they are stuck with very crazy mentalities, change management 2.0 Kind Regards
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Harry Karanja <kairo@softlaw.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, Good luck if you can get it in a week. Mine took 2 months and at
one point my letter was "lost".
Regards, Harry Karanja Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:19 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi, I believe we had been informed on this list that the registrar of
companies had installed a new electronic system.
Last week I asked my company secretary to get us a CR12 which is a document confirming the current directors of a company that is issued by the registrar of companies. He told me that it normally takes 3 days, I then mentioned to him that the department had been computerised and I that it should not take more than a day to get the document. I have spoken to him this morning and he told me that they where informed
Maybe its's just me but I'm not convinced there is commitment in some quarters to implement some of these initiatives fully. I have a friend working in Rwanda and he tells me you can register a business on-line within 48 hours. Imagine that. 48 hours. Start to finish. Compare and contrast with us here. What possible reason do we have for not doing the same? Where we still have that absurdity of 3 days for a business name search? The other initiative of course has to be some sort of record - automating the lands ministry. Every lands minister that i can remember has launched this and mysteriously all these attempts have mysteriously vanished. Why are we chest thumping about vision 2030 and vision 2011 that is just within our reach we refuse to grasp? On Monday, September 5, 2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: that the process now takes 1 week up from the previous 3 days.
My question to e-government and KICTB, the department of the registrar of companies computerised or not and if it is exactly which functions have been completed? Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225 <tel:%2B254722511225>, +254202010696 <tel:%2B254202010696>
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With EAC integration picking up, I won't be surprised if it becomes a more attractive option for Kenyan business owners to register their enterprises in other member countries first. We maybe setting ourselves up for a new kind of 'capital' flight if e-government continues to lag behind when valuable Kenyan-owned innovations domicile elsewhere. Kind regards, *Muchiri* Nyaggah Principal Partner @muchiri +254 722 506400 Semacraft.com On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe its's just me but I'm not convinced there is commitment in some quarters to implement some of these initiatives fully.
I have a friend working in Rwanda and he tells me you can register a business on-line within 48 hours. Imagine that. 48 hours. Start to finish.
Compare and contrast with us here. What possible reason do we have for not doing the same? Where we still have that absurdity of 3 days for a business name search?
The other initiative of course has to be some sort of record - automating the lands ministry. Every lands minister that i can remember has launched this and mysteriously all these attempts have mysteriously vanished.
Why are we chest thumping about vision 2030 and vision 2011 that is just within our reach we refuse to grasp?
On Monday, September 5, 2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
I think in addition to computerisation some people need prayer, they are stuck with very crazy mentalities, change management 2.0 Kind Regards
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Harry Karanja <kairo@softlaw.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, Good luck if you can get it in a week. Mine took 2 months and at
one point my letter was "lost".
Regards, Harry Karanja Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:19 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi, I believe we had been informed on this list that the registrar of
companies had installed a new electronic system.
Last week I asked my company secretary to get us a CR12 which is a document confirming the current directors of a company that is issued by the registrar of companies. He told me that it normally takes 3 days, I then mentioned to him that the department had been computerised and I that it should not take more than a day to get the document. I have spoken to him this morning and he told me that they where informed that the process now takes 1 week up from the previous 3 days. My question to e-government and KICTB, the department of the registrar of companies computerised or not and if it is exactly which functions have been completed? Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225 <tel:%2B254722511225>, +254202010696 <tel:%2B254202010696>
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I have just come back into the country after a bit of stay outside. With the little savings i have, i thought i would have a registered company in a week or at mot 2 weeks so as to take off. Now the lawyer comes back to me and says, "it may take up to a month to complete the process, there have been some changes done in the process". I always thought change should be progressive and make things better? On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri@semacraft.com>wrote:
With EAC integration picking up, I won't be surprised if it becomes a more attractive option for Kenyan business owners to register their enterprises in other member countries first. We maybe setting ourselves up for a new kind of 'capital' flight if e-government continues to lag behind when valuable Kenyan-owned innovations domicile elsewhere.
Kind regards,
*Muchiri* Nyaggah
Principal Partner
@muchiri
+254 722 506400
Semacraft.com
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe its's just me but I'm not convinced there is commitment in some quarters to implement some of these initiatives fully.
I have a friend working in Rwanda and he tells me you can register a business on-line within 48 hours. Imagine that. 48 hours. Start to finish.
Compare and contrast with us here. What possible reason do we have for not doing the same? Where we still have that absurdity of 3 days for a business name search?
The other initiative of course has to be some sort of record - automating the lands ministry. Every lands minister that i can remember has launched this and mysteriously all these attempts have mysteriously vanished.
Why are we chest thumping about vision 2030 and vision 2011 that is just within our reach we refuse to grasp?
On Monday, September 5, 2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
I think in addition to computerisation some people need prayer, they are stuck with very crazy mentalities, change management 2.0 Kind Regards
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Harry Karanja <kairo@softlaw.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, Good luck if you can get it in a week. Mine took 2 months and
at one point my letter was "lost".
Regards, Harry Karanja Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:19 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Hi, I believe we had been informed on this list that the registrar of
companies had installed a new electronic system.
Last week I asked my company secretary to get us a CR12 which is a document confirming the current directors of a company that is issued by the registrar of companies. He told me that it normally takes 3 days, I then mentioned to him that the department had been computerised and I that it should not take more than a day to get the document. I have spoken to him this morning and he told me that they where informed that the process now takes 1 week up from the previous 3 days. My question to e-government and KICTB, the department of the registrar of companies computerised or not and if it is exactly which functions have been completed? Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225 <tel:%2B254722511225>, +254202010696 <tel:%2B254202010696>
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Personally I think this whole computerization is being looked at in totally the wrong way, and for this I would blame the bean counters at the ministry because tit is quite within reach to automate the whole process and even enable remote registration of companies. Here is the scenario i have always looked at: 1: Domain name registration is no different from company name registration, both have names, need to be searched and are unique property that can belong to only one person. 2: The time spent at the registry is a total waste, Why would it take hours (and not milliseconds) to search if a name is available for registration? If its stamp duty, there are means of making payments including but not limited to Mpesa, just ask the Kenyans for Kenya guys. I bet the operators would gladly support providing a standardized shortcode purely for registration of companies. 3: Documents can be scanned and attached in an application, this in this age and time is pretty acceptable, but for legal reasons this can be used for initial pre-approval after which document verification can be done by someone manually if need be at a later stage and appropriate action taken to erroneous documents. 4: Lastly, a registration certificate can be printed online just as the PIN certificate is printed. and Instead of ask all these documents everywhere, GOK can provide an API for banks, security organizations, hospitals, universities, schools and others that need documentation can just pull it out so i dont have to produce tonnes of copies of my tattered KCPE certificate to get a kazi kwa vijana job. I bet the reduction in paper usage could earn the ministry some green points. 5: If all this is employed, there is no reason why registration should not take 5 minutes if you have all the documents ready. And i bet Gava would earn more from this.... my 2cnts. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Andrew Gesora <andy.gesora@gmail.com> wrote:
I have just come back into the country after a bit of stay outside. With the little savings i have, i thought i would have a registered company in a week or at mot 2 weeks so as to take off. Now the lawyer comes back to me and says, "it may take up to a month to complete the process, there have been some changes done in the process". I always thought change should be progressive and make things better?
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri@semacraft.com>wrote:
With EAC integration picking up, I won't be surprised if it becomes a more attractive option for Kenyan business owners to register their enterprises in other member countries first. We maybe setting ourselves up for a new kind of 'capital' flight if e-government continues to lag behind when valuable Kenyan-owned innovations domicile elsewhere.
Kind regards,
*Muchiri* Nyaggah
Principal Partner
@muchiri
+254 722 506400
Semacraft.com
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe its's just me but I'm not convinced there is commitment in some quarters to implement some of these initiatives fully.
I have a friend working in Rwanda and he tells me you can register a business on-line within 48 hours. Imagine that. 48 hours. Start to finish.
Compare and contrast with us here. What possible reason do we have for not doing the same? Where we still have that absurdity of 3 days for a business name search?
The other initiative of course has to be some sort of record - automating the lands ministry. Every lands minister that i can remember has launched this and mysteriously all these attempts have mysteriously vanished.
Why are we chest thumping about vision 2030 and vision 2011 that is just within our reach we refuse to grasp?
On Monday, September 5, 2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
I think in addition to computerisation some people need prayer, they are stuck with very crazy mentalities, change management 2.0 Kind Regards
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Harry Karanja <kairo@softlaw.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, Good luck if you can get it in a week. Mine took 2 months and
at one point my letter was "lost".
Regards, Harry Karanja Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:19 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Hi, I believe we had been informed on this list that the registrar of
companies had installed a new electronic system.
Last week I asked my company secretary to get us a CR12 which is a document confirming the current directors of a company that is issued by the registrar of companies. He told me that it normally takes 3 days, I then mentioned to him that the department had been computerised and I that it should not take more than a day to get the document. I have spoken to him this morning and he told me that they where informed that the process now takes 1 week up from the previous 3 days. My question to e-government and KICTB, the department of the registrar of companies computerised or not and if it is exactly which functions have been completed? Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225 <tel:%2B254722511225>, +254202010696 <tel:%2B254202010696>
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Personally I think this whole computerization is being looked at in totally the wrong way, and for this I would blame the bean counters at the ministry because tit is quite within reach to automate the whole process and even enable remote registration of companies. Here is the scenario i have always looked at:
1: Domain name registration is no different from company name registration, both have names, need to be searched and are unique property
Well said sir. And to add to that it should be possible to search te registry and find out anything about a company - shareholding, directors etc. It is laughable that an official can shamelessly tell us he has no idea who a company's directors are! On Friday, September 9, 2011, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: that can belong to only one person.
2: The time spent at the registry is a total waste, Why would it take
hours (and not milliseconds) to search if a name is available for registration? If its stamp duty, there are means of making payments including but not limited to Mpesa, just ask the Kenyans for Kenya guys. I bet the operators would gladly support providing a standardized shortcode purely for registration of companies.
3: Documents can be scanned and attached in an application, this in this
age and time is pretty acceptable, but for legal reasons this can be used for initial pre-approval after which document verification can be done by someone manually if need be at a later stage and appropriate action taken to erroneous documents.
4: Lastly, a registration certificate can be printed online just as the
PIN certificate is printed. and Instead of ask all these documents everywhere, GOK can provide an API for banks, security organizations, hospitals, universities, schools and others that need documentation can just pull it out so i dont have to produce tonnes of copies of my tattered KCPE certificate to get a kazi kwa vijana job. I bet the reduction in paper usage could earn the ministry some green points.
5: If all this is employed, there is no reason why registration should not
take 5 minutes if you have all the documents ready. And i bet Gava would earn more from this....
my 2cnts.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Andrew Gesora <andy.gesora@gmail.com>
I have just come back into the country after a bit of stay outside. With
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri@semacraft.com>
wrote:
With EAC integration picking up, I won't be surprised if it becomes a
more attractive option for Kenyan business owners to register their enterprises in other member countries first. We maybe setting ourselves up for a new kind of 'capital' flight if e-government continues to lag behind when valuable Kenyan-owned innovations domicile elsewhere.
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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe its's just me but I'm not convinced there is commitment in some
quarters to implement some of these initiatives fully.
I have a friend working in Rwanda and he tells me you can register a business on-line within 48 hours. Imagine that. 48 hours. Start to finish. Compare and contrast with us here. What possible reason do we have for not doing the same? Where we still have that absurdity of 3 days for a business name search? The other initiative
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wrote: the little savings i have, i thought i would have a registered company in a week or at mot 2 weeks so as to take off. Now the lawyer comes back to me and says, "it may take up to a month to complete the process, there have been some changes done in the process". I always thought change should be progressive and make things better? protecting corporate power against democracy”
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Some basic notes: -It is possible for government to be more efficient than the private sector. RDB is the first government in EA to launch a cloud platform.... They are launching a cloud platform similar to what Safaricom recently advertised in the papers. They will go live in the next few months. The government has more fibre than the leading telco. Now, to put it into perspective, the Rwanda government is at par with the leading EA telco with regards to cloud computing platforms! - Undue bureaucracy - think about the passport application process for a minute. I'm supposed to bring my birth certificate (issued by the very government that is issuing the passport), my I'd card (issued by the very same government - which required me to have my birth certificate to get), my parents documents (again, issued by the government) and then they proceed to counter check the same against their records. For registration of companies, the government already has *all* this information. - Culture - We in Africa seem to be OK with slipshod delivery of paid services. The government does not politely request me for my taxes. It's not something I can opt out of. They take their taxes with clinical efficiency, before I can touch said finance. Its not that they lack the capacity to be efficient, its that they lack the will to be efficient. Worst bit about it is that its somehow OK. Granted, some good strides have been made especially in Information & Communication, however, if you think about it, the problem is that corruption has developed into its own economy and parallel incentive structure. Need a company registered? I was in Rwanda earlier today. I have to say that the nation is a breath of fresh air. We may be ahead, but Rwanda is geared to be the financial capital of EA, with the sort of efficiency that is in business and government there. We may not see the problem now, but Kenya is a very inefficient economy. Which is a disaster given that we hope to make our billions in the Technology/Financial and Hotel Service sectors. -kaboro- -----Original Message----- From: "Rad!" <conradakunga@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+pkariuki=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:28:06 To: <pkariuki@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Registrar of Companies computerisation _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkariuki%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I think this is a topic that needs to be delved deeper with some specific input (read explanation) from PS Bitange and Chair KICT Board. Would the honourable (or honourable to be) members please shed light onto the challenges of implementing the kind of ICT in Government being discussed here? On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Some basic notes:
-It is possible for government to be more efficient than the private sector. RDB is the first government in EA to launch a cloud platform.... They are launching a cloud platform similar to what Safaricom recently advertised in the papers. They will go live in the next few months. The government has more fibre than the leading telco. Now, to put it into perspective, the Rwanda government is at par with the leading EA telco with regards to cloud computing platforms!
- Undue bureaucracy - think about the passport application process for a minute. I'm supposed to bring my birth certificate (issued by the very government that is issuing the passport), my I'd card (issued by the very same government - which required me to have my birth certificate to get), my parents documents (again, issued by the government) and then they proceed to counter check the same against their records. For registration of companies, the government already has *all* this information.
- Culture - We in Africa seem to be OK with slipshod delivery of paid services. The government does not politely request me for my taxes. It's not something I can opt out of. They take their taxes with clinical efficiency, before I can touch said finance. Its not that they lack the capacity to be efficient, its that they lack the will to be efficient. Worst bit about it is that its somehow OK.
Granted, some good strides have been made especially in Information & Communication, however, if you think about it, the problem is that corruption has developed into its own economy and parallel incentive structure. Need a company registered?
I was in Rwanda earlier today. I have to say that the nation is a breath of fresh air. We may be ahead, but Rwanda is geared to be the financial capital of EA, with the sort of efficiency that is in business and government there.
We may not see the problem now, but Kenya is a very inefficient economy. Which is a disaster given that we hope to make our billions in the Technology/Financial and Hotel Service sectors. -kaboro-
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Andrew, This is false. I just happened to have sat next to the Solicitor General at NESC meeting then I showed him your post. He says it takes three days flat to register a company. If you have a problem please see the Head of Department Jane Joram. If it does not work, let us know where the bottlenecks are then we change that quickly. If it is your Lawyers then we may not help. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Gesora <andy.gesora@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:33:46 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Registrar of Companies computerisation _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
@bwana PS ill have to fault you on that, and unless we are all wrong and your solicitor general is right, here is reference to some of the issues: all can be found in a world bank report that highlights the pitfalls. It takes an average of 33 days to finalise the 11 procedures for licensing a
business in Kenya. It is three days in Rwanda. [ http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Kenya+cedes+more+ground+in+Doing+Business...]
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Andrew, This is false. I just happened to have sat next to the Solicitor General at NESC meeting then I showed him your post. He says it takes three days flat to register a company. If you have a problem please see the Head of Department Jane Joram. If it does not work, let us know where the bottlenecks are then we change that quickly.
If it is your Lawyers then we may not help.
Ndemo.
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I am still with the Solicitor General and the AG and they are saying the World Bank is reporting historical data. SG invites your Lawyers to see him if there is such delay. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:34:59 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Registrar of Companies computerisation @bwana PS ill have to fault you on that, and unless we are all wrong and your solicitor general is right, here is reference to some of the issues: all can be found in a world bank report that highlights the pitfalls. It takes an average of 33 days to finalise the 11 procedures for licensing a
business in Kenya. It is three days in Rwanda. [ http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Kenya+cedes+more+ground+in+Doing+Business...]
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Andrew, This is false. I just happened to have sat next to the Solicitor General at NESC meeting then I showed him your post. He says it takes three days flat to register a company. If you have a problem please see the Head of Department Jane Joram. If it does not work, let us know where the bottlenecks are then we change that quickly.
If it is your Lawyers then we may not help.
Ndemo.
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Good thing you are still with him, here is a suggestion. Why dont you ask him to engage with this community on the (Specifically ICT based) roadmap for making the registration process simpler. Maybe a structured discussion might be able to shed some light on how this can be simplified further or enable those of us not versed with the technicalities of the letter and spirit of the law that might make it impossible to do a name search, register and get a certificate in 5 minutes. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
** I am still with the Solicitor General and the AG and they are saying the World Bank is reporting historical data. SG invites your Lawyers to see him if there is such delay.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> *Date: *Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:34:59 +0300 *To: *<bitange@jambo.co.ke> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Registrar of Companies computerisation
@bwana PS ill have to fault you on that, and unless we are all wrong and your solicitor general is right, here is reference to some of the issues: all can be found in a world bank report that highlights the pitfalls.
It takes an average of 33 days to finalise the 11 procedures for licensing
a business in Kenya. It is three days in Rwanda. [ http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Kenya+cedes+more+ground+in+Doing+Business...]
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Andrew, This is false. I just happened to have sat next to the Solicitor General at NESC meeting then I showed him your post. He says it takes three days flat to register a company. If you have a problem please see the Head of Department Jane Joram. If it does not work, let us know where the bottlenecks are then we change that quickly.
If it is your Lawyers then we may not help.
Ndemo.
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Bwana Ndemo there is a British TV show called Undercover Boss where CEOs and top management under disguise work in their own companies to get a feeling of what is really happening on the ground. I strongly recommend one day you try this. Wear a hat and a moustache and a tracksuit so that nobody will know it is you and try to practically register a company yourself. You might be surprised to learn that what is supposed to happen, what the SG thinks happens and what actually happens might be very different.
He welcomes the opportunity and that he can present the New Companies Bill that is in its second reading in Parliament. We shall host a two hour meeting may be a breakfast in the first week of October. There are many ICT opportunities that we need to take advantage of now when the registry has been digitized. We need to further discuss in ways that we can use the two hours productively. We may need prior discussions on the list first. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:31:13 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Registrar of Companies computerisation Good thing you are still with him, here is a suggestion. Why dont you ask him to engage with this community on the (Specifically ICT based) roadmap for making the registration process simpler. Maybe a structured discussion might be able to shed some light on how this can be simplified further or enable those of us not versed with the technicalities of the letter and spirit of the law that might make it impossible to do a name search, register and get a certificate in 5 minutes. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
** I am still with the Solicitor General and the AG and they are saying the World Bank is reporting historical data. SG invites your Lawyers to see him if there is such delay.
Ndemo.
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@bwana PS ill have to fault you on that, and unless we are all wrong and your solicitor general is right, here is reference to some of the issues: all can be found in a world bank report that highlights the pitfalls.
It takes an average of 33 days to finalise the 11 procedures for licensing
a business in Kenya. It is three days in Rwanda. [ http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Kenya+cedes+more+ground+in+Doing+Business...]
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Andrew, This is false. I just happened to have sat next to the Solicitor General at NESC meeting then I showed him your post. He says it takes three days flat to register a company. If you have a problem please see the Head of Department Jane Joram. If it does not work, let us know where the bottlenecks are then we change that quickly.
If it is your Lawyers then we may not help.
Ndemo.
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Agree prior discussions on the list for five days and then two hour face to face session would work very well. We can start the discussion a week before the planned face to face meeting. Thank you Alice -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Sender: kictanet-bounces+alice=apc.org@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:00:18 To: <alice@apc.org> Reply-To: bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Registrar of Companies computerisation _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alice%40apc.org The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Is it possible as a first dtep (quick win) to automate the name search function? At the moment one has to go through a cumbersome manual system of writing a letter to the registrar of business names, paying some money and then waiting for days for an answer that is often negative - just to check availability of a name. We can learn from registering an email address with yahoo or gmail. Just find out if the name is available online and the process should be objective and take only seconds. Waudo On Saturday, September 10, 2011 9:46 AM, alice@apc.org wrote:
Agree prior discussions on the list for five days and then two hour face to face session would work very well.
We can start the discussion a week before the planned face to face meeting.
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Daktari, It is Monday morning and I still have not been able to get the CR-12, so please notify the Solicitor General that the system is literally broken down. I belief my requirement is much simpler to achieve than Andrew's case, mine if the confirmation of directors. The CD-12 is required by Safaricom so that they can renew our mpesa agency in addition I will need to get another certificate of good conduct that was issued not more than 3 months ago, as the one I have is 4 months old. The courts are said to be using tele-presence but the police still cannot tell if I have been convicted of a crime in the past 3 months, there is a disconnect somewhere here all as a result of the government and its silos; to you Kate. All these activities are because of a new directive to Safaricom and other mobile money providers by the government of Kenya. Has the person who issued the directive followed the process (dry run) to see what it will take to implement? Safaricom has over 25,000 mpesa agents all of who need to meet this new directive and lets remember that not all of them operate from Nairobi. For all intents and purposes I am an investor and if you cannot give me a one stop shop to do business how do we expect to deliver a better service to that elusive foreign investor? Charity begins at home and like call centres and outsourcing until we can deliver to ourselves all the initiatives including Malala shall come to nowt. I wish, as was suggested, that the Governor of Central Bank, the Attorney General, PS Information Ministry, CEO KICTB and any other executives could go under cover and try to get a certificate of good conduct, register a company, carry out a title search and get admitted to Kenyatta. Instead of paying for breakfast let them use the funds to purchase convincing disguises and get out there and test the systems. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2011, 12:00 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Registrar of Companies computerisation He welcomes the opportunity and that he can present the New Companies Bill that is in its second reading in Parliament. We shall host a two hour meeting may be a breakfast in the first week of October. There are many ICT opportunities that we need to take advantage of now when the registry has been digitized. We need to further discuss in ways that we can use the two hours productively. We may need prior discussions on the list first. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® ________________________________ From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:31:13 +0300 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Registrar of Companies computerisation Good thing you are still with him, here is a suggestion. Why dont you ask him to engage with this community on the (Specifically ICT based) roadmap for making the registration process simpler. Maybe a structured discussion might be able to shed some light on how this can be simplified further or enable those of us not versed with the technicalities of the letter and spirit of the law that might make it impossible to do a name search, register and get a certificate in 5 minutes. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: I am still with the Solicitor General and the AG and they are saying the World Bank is reporting historical data. SG invites your Lawyers to see him if there is such delay.
Ndemo.
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From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:34:59 +0300 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Registrar of Companies computerisation
@bwana PS ill have to fault you on that, and unless we are all wrong and your solicitor general is right, here is reference to some of the issues: all can be found in a world bank report that highlights the pitfalls.
It takes an average of 33 days to finalise the 11 procedures for licensing a business in Kenya. It is three days in Rwanda. [ http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Kenya+cedes+more+ground+in+Doing+Business... ]
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Andrew,
This is false. I just happened to have sat next to the Solicitor General at NESC meeting then I showed him your post. He says it takes three days flat to register a company. If you have a problem please see the Head of Department Jane Joram. If it does not work, let us know where the bottlenecks are then we change that quickly.
If it is your Lawyers then we may not help.
Ndemo.
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Also given that to register a company you require a PIN number there should be some sort of linkage with the KRA. It is patently absurd to hear someone in authority admitting to the press that they have no idea who is behind a company. Added to that it should be possible to search the registry by company name and name of founders so that if I search for example for anyone I can see their details, photograph and all the companies where (s)he is a director and can further drill down to the company and get details such as registration date,etc. This will do wonders for transparency. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:56 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Daktari,
It is Monday morning and I still have not been able to get the CR-12, so please notify the Solicitor General that the system is literally broken down.
I belief my requirement is much simpler to achieve than Andrew's case, mine if the confirmation of directors.
The CD-12 is required by Safaricom so that they can renew our mpesa agency in addition I will need to get another certificate of good conduct that was issued not more than 3 months ago, as the one I have is 4 months old. The courts are said to be using tele-presence but the police still cannot tell if I have been convicted of a crime in the past 3 months, there is a disconnect somewhere here all as a result of the government and its silos; to you Kate.
All these activities are because of a new directive to Safaricom and other mobile money providers by the government of Kenya. Has the person who issued the directive followed the process (dry run) to see what it will take to implement? Safaricom has over 25,000 mpesa agents all of who need to meet this new directive and lets remember that not all of them operate from Nairobi.
For all intents and purposes I am an investor and if you cannot give me a one stop shop to do business how do we expect to deliver a better service to that elusive foreign investor? Charity begins at home and like call centres and outsourcing until we can deliver to ourselves all the initiatives including Malala shall come to nowt.
I wish, as was suggested, that the Governor of Central Bank, the Attorney General, PS Information Ministry, CEO KICTB and any other executives could go under cover and try to get a certificate of good conduct, register a company, carry out a title search and get admitted to Kenyatta.
Instead of paying for breakfast let them use the funds to purchase convincing disguises and get out there and test the systems.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 September 2011, 12:00
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He welcomes the opportunity and that he can present the New Companies Bill that is in its second reading in Parliament. We shall host a two hour meeting may be a breakfast in the first week of October. There are many ICT opportunities that we need to take advantage of now when the registry has been digitized.
We need to further discuss in ways that we can use the two hours productively. We may need prior discussions on the list first.
Regards
Ndemo.
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Good thing you are still with him, here is a suggestion. Why dont you ask him to engage with this community on the (Specifically ICT based) roadmap for making the registration process simpler. Maybe a structured discussion might be able to shed some light on how this can be simplified further or enable those of us not versed with the technicalities of the letter and spirit of the law that might make it impossible to do a name search, register and get a certificate in 5 minutes.
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
** I am still with the Solicitor General and the AG and they are saying the World Bank is reporting historical data. SG invites your Lawyers to see him if there is such delay.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> *Date: *Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:34:59 +0300 *To: *<bitange@jambo.co.ke> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Registrar of Companies computerisation
@bwana PS ill have to fault you on that, and unless we are all wrong and your solicitor general is right, here is reference to some of the issues: all can be found in a world bank report that highlights the pitfalls.
It takes an average of 33 days to finalise the 11 procedures for licensing a business in Kenya. It is three days in Rwanda. [ http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Kenya+cedes+more+ground+in+Doing+Business...]
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Andrew, This is false. I just happened to have sat next to the Solicitor General at NESC meeting then I showed him your post. He says it takes three days flat to register a company. If you have a problem please see the Head of Department Jane Joram. If it does not work, let us know where the bottlenecks are then we change that quickly.
If it is your Lawyers then we may not help.
Ndemo.
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Hi Harry, You were right, we went looking for the CR-12 yesterday and where informed that the request cannot be found but we can check on Monday when the officer who handles the requests returns from a short leave. Vision 3020, eGovernment (e for elusive), KICT Board (ICT - Incredulously Complex Technocrats) Regards and have a nation building weekend. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Harry Karanja <kairo@softlaw.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011, 9:20 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Registrar of Companies computerisation Robert, Good luck if you can get it in a week. Mine took 2 months and at one point my letter was "lost". Regards, Harry Karanja Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:19 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi,
I believe we had been informed on this list that the registrar of companies had installed a new electronic system.
Last week I asked my company secretary to get us a CR12 which is a document confirming the current directors of a company that is issued by the registrar of companies. He told me that it normally takes 3 days, I then mentioned to him that the department had been computerised and I that it should not take more than a day to get the document.
I have spoken to him this morning and he told me that they where informed that the process now takes 1 week up from the previous 3 days.
My question to e-government and KICTB, the department of the registrar of companies computerised or not and if it is exactly which functions have been completed?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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[ Brainiac ] -
alice＠apc.org -
Andrew Gesora -
Barrack Otieno -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Harry Karanja -
Muchiri Nyaggah -
Phares Kariuki -
Rad! -
robert yawe -
waudo siganga