Listers, Many of us may have missed the front page news in the nation newspapers yesterday given the flurry of activities at the IGF. This idea poses many questions - is this the way to go? What are the implications? etc etc. Coming at the time when Kenya is hosting the IGF begs for a debate and deep reflection as a country. Can we have a public debate on this and inform the draft bill? The public hardly has the opportunity to debate bills that make their way to parliament (despite the new constitution enshrining this as a requirement - or is it a right?). I indeed hope this time it will be different given the over 20 million mobile users in Kenya - they have a stake in this. Look forward to reactions. Edith
Dear Edith, Thank you for setting the ball rolling, in the absence of a framework on Freedom of Information we are likely to experience such issues, well Ministry of Infocom has done well but if my memory is still ok i recall the issue was somewhere in bunge, i wonder what Eng Rege has to say about that, of late so many bills have been going through, i hope the Information Society is not being left behind. Best Regards On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,****
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Many of us may have missed the front page news in the nation newspapers yesterday given the flurry of activities at the IGF.****
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This idea poses many questions – is this the way to go? What are the implications? etc etc.****
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Coming at the time when Kenya is hosting the IGF begs for a debate and deep reflection as a country.****
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Can we have a public debate on this and inform the draft bill? The public hardly has the opportunity to debate bills that make their way to parliament (despite the new constitution enshrining this as a requirement – or is it a right?). I indeed hope this time it will be different given the over 20 million mobile users in Kenya – they have a stake in this.****
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Look forward to reactions.****
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Edith ****
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In the newspaper article, the bill referred to is called the "National Intelligence Services Bill" - what role can the ICT industry play to inform this bill that is touching on an ICT issue (privacy in the digital environment? etc). A key issue in the current IGF debate! Edith From: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:30 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? Dear Edith, Thank you for setting the ball rolling, in the absence of a framework on Freedom of Information we are likely to experience such issues, well Ministry of Infocom has done well but if my memory is still ok i recall the issue was somewhere in bunge, i wonder what Eng Rege has to say about that, of late so many bills have been going through, i hope the Information Society is not being left behind. Best Regards On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke<mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, Many of us may have missed the front page news in the nation newspapers yesterday given the flurry of activities at the IGF. This idea poses many questions - is this the way to go? What are the implications? etc etc. Coming at the time when Kenya is hosting the IGF begs for a debate and deep reflection as a country. Can we have a public debate on this and inform the draft bill? The public hardly has the opportunity to debate bills that make their way to parliament (despite the new constitution enshrining this as a requirement - or is it a right?). I indeed hope this time it will be different given the over 20 million mobile users in Kenya - they have a stake in this. Look forward to reactions. Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Barrack O. Otieno Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) www.afrire<http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi<http://gister.bi>, www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com> ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno
Hi, Please take note of the following word in the heading "legalising", which would imply that the tapping is and has been going on in an illegal manner. This horse bolted from the stable while it was being put up, have you seen the president using his mobile phone recently and what happened to Obama's old faithful blackberry? Regards Hakuna siri ya watu wawili, wewe na mobile. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2011, 14:13 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? In the newspaper article, the bill referred to is called the “National Intelligence Services Bill” – what role can the ICT industry play to inform this bill that is touching on an ICT issue (privacy in the digital environment? etc). A key issue in the current IGF debate! Edith From:Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:30 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? Dear Edith, Thank you for setting the ball rolling, in the absence of a framework on Freedom of Information we are likely to experience such issues, well Ministry of Infocom has done well but if my memory is still ok i recall the issue was somewhere in bunge, i wonder what Eng Rege has to say about that, of late so many bills have been going through, i hope the Information Society is not being left behind. Best Regards On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: Listers, Many of us may have missed the front page news in the nation newspapers yesterday given the flurry of activities at the IGF. This idea poses many questions – is this the way to go? What are the implications? etc etc. Coming at the time when Kenya is hosting the IGF begs for a debate and deep reflection as a country. Can we have a public debate on this and inform the draft bill? The public hardly has the opportunity to debate bills that make their way to parliament (despite the new constitution enshrining this as a requirement – or is it a right?). I indeed hope this time it will be different given the over 20 million mobile users in Kenya – they have a stake in this. Look forward to reactions. Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Barrack O. Otieno Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) www.afriregister.bi, www.afriregister.com ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hi Edith As a country , we set the standard in August last year in the new constitution and especially in the context of the bill of rig Does this bill conform to the constitution - we need to see the bill Who could share soft copy of the bill ? cheers Muriuki Mureithi Consultant Member Society of Telecommunications Consultants summit strategies ltd , www.summitstrategies.co.ke you will never ever lose by giving others credit and remaining in the background - tom peters From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: 29 September 2011 14:13 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? In the newspaper article, the bill referred to is called the "National Intelligence Services Bill" - what role can the ICT industry play to inform this bill that is touching on an ICT issue (privacy in the digital environment? etc). A key issue in the current IGF debate! Edith From: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:30 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? Dear Edith, Thank you for setting the ball rolling, in the absence of a framework on Freedom of Information we are likely to experience such issues, well Ministry of Infocom has done well but if my memory is still ok i recall the issue was somewhere in bunge, i wonder what Eng Rege has to say about that, of late so many bills have been going through, i hope the Information Society is not being left behind. Best Regards On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: Listers, Many of us may have missed the front page news in the nation newspapers yesterday given the flurry of activities at the IGF. This idea poses many questions - is this the way to go? What are the implications? etc etc. Coming at the time when Kenya is hosting the IGF begs for a debate and deep reflection as a country. Can we have a public debate on this and inform the draft bill? The public hardly has the opportunity to debate bills that make their way to parliament (despite the new constitution enshrining this as a requirement - or is it a right?). I indeed hope this time it will be different given the over 20 million mobile users in Kenya - they have a stake in this. Look forward to reactions. Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail. com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Barrack O. Otieno Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com> gister.bi, www.afriregister.com <http://www.afriergister.com> ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno
Listers, Can we have a structured discussion on this issue? The issue seemed buried by IGF, but is an important issue to discuss. Someone shared the draft bill on this list. KICTANET Moderators? Edith From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:13 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? In the newspaper article, the bill referred to is called the "National Intelligence Services Bill" - what role can the ICT industry play to inform this bill that is touching on an ICT issue (privacy in the digital environment? etc). A key issue in the current IGF debate! Edith From: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:30 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? Dear Edith, Thank you for setting the ball rolling, in the absence of a framework on Freedom of Information we are likely to experience such issues, well Ministry of Infocom has done well but if my memory is still ok i recall the issue was somewhere in bunge, i wonder what Eng Rege has to say about that, of late so many bills have been going through, i hope the Information Society is not being left behind. Best Regards On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke<mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, Many of us may have missed the front page news in the nation newspapers yesterday given the flurry of activities at the IGF. This idea poses many questions - is this the way to go? What are the implications? etc etc. Coming at the time when Kenya is hosting the IGF begs for a debate and deep reflection as a country. Can we have a public debate on this and inform the draft bill? The public hardly has the opportunity to debate bills that make their way to parliament (despite the new constitution enshrining this as a requirement - or is it a right?). I indeed hope this time it will be different given the over 20 million mobile users in Kenya - they have a stake in this. Look forward to reactions. Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Barrack O. Otieno Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) www.afrire<http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi<http://gister.bi>, www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com> ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno
All u can do is to be careful what u say on phone. Like last year we just sat outside Hilton with bluetooth capture tools on Backtrack and since most people use headsets when driving, the kind of chatter we captured during that wardrive was hilarious. So in short, its not just the government which can illegally do this, its any one who has an understanding of Infosec. Cheers, ./Chucks On 10/5/11, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Can we have a structured discussion on this issue? The issue seemed buried by IGF, but is an important issue to discuss. Someone shared the draft bill on this list.
KICTANET Moderators?
Edith
From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:13 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya?
In the newspaper article, the bill referred to is called the "National Intelligence Services Bill" - what role can the ICT industry play to inform this bill that is touching on an ICT issue (privacy in the digital environment? etc). A key issue in the current IGF debate!
Edith From: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:30 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya?
Dear Edith,
Thank you for setting the ball rolling, in the absence of a framework on Freedom of Information we are likely to experience such issues, well Ministry of Infocom has done well but if my memory is still ok i recall the issue was somewhere in bunge, i wonder what Eng Rege has to say about that, of late so many bills have been going through, i hope the Information Society is not being left behind.
Best Regards On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke<mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke>> wrote: Listers,
Many of us may have missed the front page news in the nation newspapers yesterday given the flurry of activities at the IGF.
This idea poses many questions - is this the way to go? What are the implications? etc etc.
Coming at the time when Kenya is hosting the IGF begs for a debate and deep reflection as a country.
Can we have a public debate on this and inform the draft bill? The public hardly has the opportunity to debate bills that make their way to parliament (despite the new constitution enshrining this as a requirement - or is it a right?). I indeed hope this time it will be different given the over 20 million mobile users in Kenya - they have a stake in this.
Look forward to reactions.
Edith
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well seeing as they are doing it anyway, why not legalize it? On 10/5/11, Gichuki John Chuksjonia <chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
All u can do is to be careful what u say on phone.
Like last year we just sat outside Hilton with bluetooth capture tools on Backtrack and since most people use headsets when driving, the kind of chatter we captured during that wardrive was hilarious.
So in short, its not just the government which can illegally do this, its any one who has an understanding of Infosec.
Cheers,
./Chucks
On 10/5/11, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Can we have a structured discussion on this issue? The issue seemed buried by IGF, but is an important issue to discuss. Someone shared the draft bill on this list.
KICTANET Moderators?
Edith
From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:13 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya?
In the newspaper article, the bill referred to is called the "National Intelligence Services Bill" - what role can the ICT industry play to inform this bill that is touching on an ICT issue (privacy in the digital environment? etc). A key issue in the current IGF debate!
Edith From: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:30 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya?
Dear Edith,
Thank you for setting the ball rolling, in the absence of a framework on Freedom of Information we are likely to experience such issues, well Ministry of Infocom has done well but if my memory is still ok i recall the issue was somewhere in bunge, i wonder what Eng Rege has to say about that, of late so many bills have been going through, i hope the Information Society is not being left behind.
Best Regards On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke<mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke>> wrote: Listers,
Many of us may have missed the front page news in the nation newspapers yesterday given the flurry of activities at the IGF.
This idea poses many questions - is this the way to go? What are the implications? etc etc.
Coming at the time when Kenya is hosting the IGF begs for a debate and deep reflection as a country.
Can we have a public debate on this and inform the draft bill? The public hardly has the opportunity to debate bills that make their way to parliament (despite the new constitution enshrining this as a requirement - or is it a right?). I indeed hope this time it will be different given the over 20 million mobile users in Kenya - they have a stake in this.
Look forward to reactions.
Edith
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Barrack O. Otieno Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) www.afrire<http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi<http://gister.bi>, www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com> ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno
-- -- Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester jgichuki at inbox d0t com
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Easy way out! -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:57 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? well seeing as they are doing it anyway, why not legalize it? On 10/5/11, Gichuki John Chuksjonia <chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
All u can do is to be careful what u say on phone.
Like last year we just sat outside Hilton with bluetooth capture tools on Backtrack and since most people use headsets when driving, the kind of chatter we captured during that wardrive was hilarious.
So in short, its not just the government which can illegally do this, its any one who has an understanding of Infosec.
Cheers,
./Chucks
On 10/5/11, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Can we have a structured discussion on this issue? The issue seemed buried by IGF, but is an important issue to discuss. Someone shared the draft bill on this list.
KICTANET Moderators?
Edith
From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:13 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya?
In the newspaper article, the bill referred to is called the "National Intelligence Services Bill" - what role can the ICT industry play to inform this bill that is touching on an ICT issue (privacy in the digital environment? etc). A key issue in the current IGF debate!
Edith From: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:30 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya?
Dear Edith,
Thank you for setting the ball rolling, in the absence of a framework on Freedom of Information we are likely to experience such issues, well Ministry of Infocom has done well but if my memory is still ok i recall the issue was somewhere in bunge, i wonder what Eng Rege has to say about that, of late so many bills have been going through, i hope the Information Society is not being left behind.
Best Regards On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke<mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke>> wrote: Listers,
Many of us may have missed the front page news in the nation newspapers yesterday given the flurry of activities at the IGF.
This idea poses many questions - is this the way to go? What are the implications? etc etc.
Coming at the time when Kenya is hosting the IGF begs for a debate and deep reflection as a country.
Can we have a public debate on this and inform the draft bill? The public hardly has the opportunity to debate bills that make their way to parliament (despite the new constitution enshrining this as a requirement - or is it a right?). I indeed hope this time it will be different given the over 20 million mobile users in Kenya - they have a stake in this.
Look forward to reactions.
Edith
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Can you say the same about corruption? We need deeper discussions about limitations/exceptions, issues of privacy etc. Lets not always look for the easy way out. -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:57 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? well seeing as they are doing it anyway, why not legalize it? On 10/5/11, Gichuki John Chuksjonia <chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
All u can do is to be careful what u say on phone.
Like last year we just sat outside Hilton with bluetooth capture tools on Backtrack and since most people use headsets when driving, the kind of chatter we captured during that wardrive was hilarious.
So in short, its not just the government which can illegally do this, its any one who has an understanding of Infosec.
Cheers,
./Chucks
On 10/5/11, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Can we have a structured discussion on this issue? The issue seemed buried by IGF, but is an important issue to discuss. Someone shared the draft bill on this list.
KICTANET Moderators?
Edith
From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:13 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya?
In the newspaper article, the bill referred to is called the "National Intelligence Services Bill" - what role can the ICT industry play to inform this bill that is touching on an ICT issue (privacy in the digital environment? etc). A key issue in the current IGF debate!
Edith From: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:30 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya?
Dear Edith,
Thank you for setting the ball rolling, in the absence of a framework on Freedom of Information we are likely to experience such issues, well Ministry of Infocom has done well but if my memory is still ok i recall the issue was somewhere in bunge, i wonder what Eng Rege has to say about that, of late so many bills have been going through, i hope the Information Society is not being left behind.
Best Regards On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke<mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke>> wrote: Listers,
Many of us may have missed the front page news in the nation newspapers yesterday given the flurry of activities at the IGF.
This idea poses many questions - is this the way to go? What are the implications? etc etc.
Coming at the time when Kenya is hosting the IGF begs for a debate and deep reflection as a country.
Can we have a public debate on this and inform the draft bill? The public hardly has the opportunity to debate bills that make their way to parliament (despite the new constitution enshrining this as a requirement - or is it a right?). I indeed hope this time it will be different given the over 20 million mobile users in Kenya - they have a stake in this.
Look forward to reactions.
Edith
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Hi, I think the use of word tapping is misleading, They are called Lawful Interception Gateways and the design of such systems is in such a way that there are several checks and balances that enhance the 'Lawfulness' of the system. They have been used to in cases of suspected terrorist case and even in European countries the need for Public security is always the overriding concern when implementing such cases. All in all such systems are quite useful, so would call for proper legislation to safeguard public security and Privacy concerns in general. regards Patrick
An analysis of the drafted legislation (circulated to the list a while back) would be useful and a debate on the same would help ensure that the draft bill - on its way to parliament as we speak - can take into consideration best practice and safeguard both public security and privacy (areas of clear tension). Edith. From: Patrick Karanja [mailto:wabethi@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:11 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? Hi, I think the use of word tapping is misleading, They are called Lawful Interception Gateways and the design of such systems is in such a way that there are several checks and balances that enhance the 'Lawfulness' of the system. They have been used to in cases of suspected terrorist case and even in European countries the need for Public security is always the overriding concern when implementing such cases. All in all such systems are quite useful, so would call for proper legislation to safeguard public security and Privacy concerns in general. regards Patrick
Thats the link to the National Intelligence Bill 2011. http://www.nsis.go.ke/NIS%20DRAFT%20BILL.pdf Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: eadera@idrc.or.ke Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:22:19 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com An analysis of the drafted legislation (circulated to the list a while back) would be useful and a debate on the same would help ensure that the draft bill – on its way to parliament as we speak – can take into consideration best practice and safeguard both public security and privacy (areas of clear tension). Edith.
I am limited in interpreting the legal jargon, but in my plain understanding on reading through this - reminds me of the movie "Enemy of the State" . Too many loopholes in this, here is one disturbing example, where the DG can unilaterally authorize a wiretap without a warrant: 31(10) In the event of extreme emergency or existence of exceptional circumstances, the Director General may exercise powers under subsection (5), whether or not an application referred to in subsection (1) has been made or not, provided that the Director General shall, as soon as practical but not later than thirty six hours after exercising any of the powers under subsection (5) make an application to a judge in accordance with the provisions of this section. So what happens after the 36 hours the judge declines the application, the wiretap would have occurred anyway.and probably an innocent life ruined! ...and then who is credibly going to "monitor" those monitoring.what if the Judge and DG collude/get blackmailed- see the minimal penalty below that will encourage such an abuse especially for the rich?. and how/when will citizens get to know when some overzealous officers have been tapping their lines without a warrant so as to complain to the "Complaints Commission" without fear of intimidation? 28. Any person who assaults, willfully obstructs, hinders, resists, knowingly lies, misleads, unduly influences or exerts pressure on the Director General or any officer of the Service or any person acting under the direction of the Director General or such other officer in the due execution of his duties under this Act commits an offence and shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or a fine not exceeding three hundred thousand shillings, or to both. As is, this bill has way too many loopholes! Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Grace Githaiga Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:36 AM To: Edwin Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? Thats the link to the National Intelligence Bill 2011. http://www.nsis.go.ke/NIS%20DRAFT%20BILL.pdf Rgds Grace ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ From: eadera@idrc.or.ke Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:22:19 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya? CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com An analysis of the drafted legislation (circulated to the list a while back) would be useful and a debate on the same would help ensure that the draft bill - on its way to parliament as we speak - can take into consideration best practice and safeguard both public security and privacy (areas of clear tension). Edith. _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4540 - Release Date: 10/05/11
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:57, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
well seeing as they are doing it anyway, why not legalize it?
Yes, it's a fact that security agencies worldwide have always done this since the cold war days. There is a very good reason for this. Anyone opposed to it can only take that position because they are not in govt:-) All govts must listen on the wires "for security reasons". -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
participants (10)
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Barrack Otieno -
Edith Adera -
Edwin Onchari -
Gichuki John Chuksjonia -
Grace Githaiga -
Mark Mwangi -
muriuki mureithi -
Odhiambo Washington -
Patrick Karanja -
robert yawe