World's biggest ever digital currency 'theft'
Dear Listers, One of Japan's largest digital currency exchanges says it has lost some $534m (£380m) worth of virtual money in a hacking attack on its network. Coincheck suspended deposits and withdrawals for all crypto-currencies except Bitcoin as it assessed its losses in NEM, a lesser-known coin. If the theft is confirmed, it will be the largest involving digital currency. Another Tokyo exchange, MtGox, collapsed in 2014 after admitting that $400m had been stolen from its network. Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505# What lessons can we learn from this? Regards, *Victor Kapiyo* Partner | *Lawmark Partners LLP* Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, Commissioner for Oaths & Notary Public *Suite No. 8, Centro House, Westlands, Nairobi | **Web: www.lawmark.co.ke <http://www.lawmark.co.ke> * ==================================================== *“Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude” Zig Ziglar*
Lesson:- That we are not safe anywhere from thieves? :-) Seriously though one of the fundamental flaws of cryptocurrencies is that once you have been liberated from your cryptos you have no recourse. This is a design flaw that we are all hoping will be resolved. Sooner rather than later. Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 27 Jan 2018, at 8:53 PM, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers,
One of Japan's largest digital currency exchanges says it has lost some $534m (£380m) worth of virtual money in a hacking attack on its network.
Coincheck suspended deposits and withdrawals for all crypto-currencies except Bitcoin as it assessed its losses in NEM, a lesser-known coin. If the theft is confirmed, it will be the largest involving digital currency. Another Tokyo exchange, MtGox, collapsed in 2014 after admitting that $400m had been stolen from its network.
Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505#
What lessons can we learn from this?
Regards,
Victor Kapiyo Partner | Lawmark Partners LLP Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, Commissioner for Oaths & Notary Public Suite No. 8, Centro House, Westlands, Nairobi | Web: www.lawmark.co.ke ==================================================== “Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude” Zig Ziglar
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Let’s not forget the biggest flaw of all with crypto currencies is that they depend on basically wasting energy (Which may or may not be sustainably produced, even so it could be better used than on crunching pointless numbers): · In 2017: * 42.67 TWh: The annual energy consumption of Bitcoin and Ethereum combined * 0.19%: The percentage of the world’s electricity used by Bitcoin and Ethereum * 8.49: The number of U.S. households that could be powered for a full day with the same energy as single bitcoin transaction Senior Director, Public Affairs Huawei Southern Africa Mobile: +254-7909-85886 From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane=huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Admin CampusCiti via kictanet Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 6:12 PM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Cc: Admin CampusCiti <info@campusciti.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] World's biggest ever digital currency 'theft' Lesson:- That we are not safe anywhere from thieves? :-) Seriously though one of the fundamental flaws of cryptocurrencies is that once you have been liberated from your cryptos you have no recourse. This is a design flaw that we are all hoping will be resolved. Sooner rather than later. Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com<http://www.alyhussein.com/> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 27 Jan 2018, at 8:53 PM, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Dear Listers, One of Japan's largest digital currency exchanges says it has lost some $534m (£380m) worth of virtual money in a hacking attack on its network. Coincheck suspended deposits and withdrawals for all crypto-currencies except Bitcoin as it assessed its losses in NEM, a lesser-known coin. If the theft is confirmed, it will be the largest involving digital currency. Another Tokyo exchange, MtGox, collapsed in 2014 after admitting that $400m had been stolen from its network. Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505#<http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505> What lessons can we learn from this? Regards, Victor Kapiyo Partner | Lawmark Partners LLP Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, Commissioner for Oaths & Notary Public Suite No. 8, Centro House, Westlands, Nairobi | Web: www.lawmark.co.ke<http://www.lawmark.co.ke> ==================================================== “Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude” Zig Ziglar _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40campusciti.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I find numbers like this thrown around without context mean nothing. How much of the worlds current energy is used on other financial transactions, running banks, credit cards, atms etc? Would anyone say that energy is wasted? On 29 January 2018 at 09:41, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Let’s not forget the biggest flaw of all with crypto currencies is that they depend on basically wasting energy (Which may or may not be sustainably produced, even so it could be better used than on crunching pointless numbers):
· *In 2017:*
- *42.67 TWh: The annual energy consumption of Bitcoin and Ethereum combined* - *0.19%: The percentage of the world’s electricity used by Bitcoin and Ethereum* - *8.49: The number of U.S. households that could be powered for a full day with the same energy as single bitcoin transaction*
*Senior Director, Public Affairs*
*Huawei Southern Africa*
Mobile: +254-7909-85886
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane=huawei.com@lists. kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Admin CampusCiti via kictanet *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2018 6:12 PM *To:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> *Cc:* Admin CampusCiti <info@campusciti.com> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] World's biggest ever digital currency 'theft'
Lesson:-
That we are not safe anywhere from thieves? :-)
Seriously though one of the fundamental flaws of cryptocurrencies is that once you have been liberated from your cryptos you have no recourse. This is a design flaw that we are all hoping will be resolved. Sooner rather than later.
*Ali Hussein*
*Hussein & Associates*
+254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Jan 2018, at 8:53 PM, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers,
One of Japan's largest digital currency exchanges says it has lost some $534m (£380m) worth of virtual money in a hacking attack on its network.
Coincheck suspended deposits and withdrawals for all crypto-currencies except Bitcoin as it assessed its losses in NEM, a lesser-known coin. If the theft is confirmed, it will be the largest involving digital currency. Another Tokyo exchange, MtGox, collapsed in 2014 after admitting that $400m had been stolen from its network.
Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505# <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505>
What lessons can we learn from this?
Regards,
*Victor Kapiyo*
Partner | *Lawmark Partners LLP*
Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, Commissioner for Oaths & Notary Public
*Suite No. 8, Centro House, Westlands, Nairobi | **Web: www.lawmark.co.ke <http://www.lawmark.co.ke> *
==================================================== *“Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude” Zig Ziglar*
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That energy has a purpose, and provides value to a consumer somewhere. The energy used in “mining a currency” provides no value at all, but is calculating sums for no reason other than to control supply of such currencies. It’s not to say that banks, data centers or ATMs should not be more energy efficient, but it is important to question why a process is designed to waste resources. Senior Director, Public Affairs Huawei Southern Africa Mobile: +254-7909-85886 From: Sidney Ochieng [mailto:sidney.ochieng@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:37 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] World's biggest ever digital currency 'theft' I find numbers like this thrown around without context mean nothing. How much of the worlds current energy is used on other financial transactions, running banks, credit cards, atms etc? Would anyone say that energy is wasted? On 29 January 2018 at 09:41, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Let’s not forget the biggest flaw of all with crypto currencies is that they depend on basically wasting energy (Which may or may not be sustainably produced, even so it could be better used than on crunching pointless numbers): • In 2017: * 42.67 TWh: The annual energy consumption of Bitcoin and Ethereum combined * 0.19%: The percentage of the world’s electricity used by Bitcoin and Ethereum * 8.49: The number of U.S. households that could be powered for a full day with the same energy as single bitcoin transaction Senior Director, Public Affairs Huawei Southern Africa Mobile: +254-7909-85886 From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane<mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Badam.lane>=huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Admin CampusCiti via kictanet Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 6:12 PM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com<mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com>> Cc: Admin CampusCiti <info@campusciti.com<mailto:info@campusciti.com>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] World's biggest ever digital currency 'theft' Lesson:- That we are not safe anywhere from thieves? :-) Seriously though one of the fundamental flaws of cryptocurrencies is that once you have been liberated from your cryptos you have no recourse. This is a design flaw that we are all hoping will be resolved. Sooner rather than later. Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com<http://www.alyhussein.com/> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 27 Jan 2018, at 8:53 PM, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Dear Listers, One of Japan's largest digital currency exchanges says it has lost some $534m (£380m) worth of virtual money in a hacking attack on its network. Coincheck suspended deposits and withdrawals for all crypto-currencies except Bitcoin as it assessed its losses in NEM, a lesser-known coin. If the theft is confirmed, it will be the largest involving digital currency. Another Tokyo exchange, MtGox, collapsed in 2014 after admitting that $400m had been stolen from its network. Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505#<http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505> What lessons can we learn from this? Regards, Victor Kapiyo Partner | Lawmark Partners LLP Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, Commissioner for Oaths & Notary Public Suite No. 8, Centro House, Westlands, Nairobi | Web: www.lawmark.co.ke<http://www.lawmark.co.ke> ==================================================== “Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude” Zig Ziglar _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40campusciti.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/sidney.ochieng%40gmail... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Regards, Sidney Twitter: @princelySid<https://twitter.com/princelySid> | Web: sidneyochieng.co.ke<http://sidneyochieng.co.ke/> Skype: sidney.ochieng | Github: princelySid<https://github.com/princelySid>
I don't know. Who is to say what provides value to people? If someone is willing to pay for it, it's valuable therefore I wouldn't say its a waste just because it doesn't provide value to me personally. Could that energy be put to better use? Perhaps. On 29 January 2018 at 11:45, Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> wrote:
That energy has a purpose, and provides value to a consumer somewhere. The energy used in “mining a currency” provides no value at all, but is calculating sums for no reason other than to control supply of such currencies. It’s not to say that banks, data centers or ATMs should not be more energy efficient, but it is important to question why a process is designed to waste resources.
*Senior Director, Public Affairs*
*Huawei Southern Africa*
Mobile: +254-7909-85886
*From:* Sidney Ochieng [mailto:sidney.ochieng@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 10:37 AM *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com>
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] World's biggest ever digital currency 'theft'
I find numbers like this thrown around without context mean nothing. How much of the worlds current energy is used on other financial transactions, running banks, credit cards, atms etc? Would anyone say that energy is wasted?
On 29 January 2018 at 09:41, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Let’s not forget the biggest flaw of all with crypto currencies is that they depend on basically wasting energy (Which may or may not be sustainably produced, even so it could be better used than on crunching pointless numbers):
· *In 2017:*
- *42.67 TWh: The annual energy consumption of Bitcoin and Ethereum combined* - *0.19%: The percentage of the world’s electricity used by Bitcoin and Ethereum* - *8.49: The number of U.S. households that could be powered for a full day with the same energy as single bitcoin transaction*
*Senior Director, Public Affairs*
*Huawei Southern Africa*
Mobile: +254-7909-85886
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane=huawei.com@lists. kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Admin CampusCiti via kictanet *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2018 6:12 PM *To:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> *Cc:* Admin CampusCiti <info@campusciti.com> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] World's biggest ever digital currency 'theft'
Lesson:-
That we are not safe anywhere from thieves? :-)
Seriously though one of the fundamental flaws of cryptocurrencies is that once you have been liberated from your cryptos you have no recourse. This is a design flaw that we are all hoping will be resolved. Sooner rather than later.
*Ali Hussein*
*Hussein & Associates*
+254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Jan 2018, at 8:53 PM, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers,
One of Japan's largest digital currency exchanges says it has lost some $534m (£380m) worth of virtual money in a hacking attack on its network.
Coincheck suspended deposits and withdrawals for all crypto-currencies except Bitcoin as it assessed its losses in NEM, a lesser-known coin. If the theft is confirmed, it will be the largest involving digital currency. Another Tokyo exchange, MtGox, collapsed in 2014 after admitting that $400m had been stolen from its network.
Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505# <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505>
What lessons can we learn from this?
Regards,
*Victor Kapiyo*
Partner | *Lawmark Partners LLP*
Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, Commissioner for Oaths & Notary Public
*Suite No. 8, Centro House, Westlands, Nairobi | **Web: www.lawmark.co.ke <http://www.lawmark.co.ke> *
==================================================== *“Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude” Zig Ziglar*
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We're probably trying to conflate different business models which won't work. - With traditional financial systems you outsource your trust to a middle man that then charges monopoly prices; - with blockchain we're using mathematical proofing functions to gain some 'trust' and currently suffer hacks until the tech matures. What are the costs of running the first system beyond normal running costs, 2008 financial crisis, plus factoring cost of regulatory compliance which has risen constantly, at least for the time i've been studying it (2012)? Also, what are the eventual benefits of blockchain applications allowing our entrepreneurs ease of entry which they'd otherwise not have, efficiency, transparency (read corruption and related governance issues), disintermediation and globalisation? Kind regards, Robert On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I don't know. Who is to say what provides value to people? If someone is willing to pay for it, it's valuable therefore I wouldn't say its a waste just because it doesn't provide value to me personally. Could that energy be put to better use? Perhaps.
On 29 January 2018 at 11:45, Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> wrote:
That energy has a purpose, and provides value to a consumer somewhere. The energy used in “mining a currency” provides no value at all, but is calculating sums for no reason other than to control supply of such currencies. It’s not to say that banks, data centers or ATMs should not be more energy efficient, but it is important to question why a process is designed to waste resources.
*Senior Director, Public Affairs*
*Huawei Southern Africa*
Mobile: +254-7909-85886
*From:* Sidney Ochieng [mailto:sidney.ochieng@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 10:37 AM *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com>
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] World's biggest ever digital currency 'theft'
I find numbers like this thrown around without context mean nothing. How much of the worlds current energy is used on other financial transactions, running banks, credit cards, atms etc? Would anyone say that energy is wasted?
On 29 January 2018 at 09:41, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Let’s not forget the biggest flaw of all with crypto currencies is that they depend on basically wasting energy (Which may or may not be sustainably produced, even so it could be better used than on crunching pointless numbers):
· *In 2017:*
- *42.67 TWh: The annual energy consumption of Bitcoin and Ethereum combined* - *0.19%: The percentage of the world’s electricity used by Bitcoin and Ethereum* - *8.49: The number of U.S. households that could be powered for a full day with the same energy as single bitcoin transaction*
*Senior Director, Public Affairs*
*Huawei Southern Africa*
Mobile: +254-7909-85886
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane= huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Admin CampusCiti via kictanet *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2018 6:12 PM *To:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> *Cc:* Admin CampusCiti <info@campusciti.com> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] World's biggest ever digital currency 'theft'
Lesson:-
That we are not safe anywhere from thieves? :-)
Seriously though one of the fundamental flaws of cryptocurrencies is that once you have been liberated from your cryptos you have no recourse. This is a design flaw that we are all hoping will be resolved. Sooner rather than later.
*Ali Hussein*
*Hussein & Associates*
+254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Jan 2018, at 8:53 PM, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers,
One of Japan's largest digital currency exchanges says it has lost some $534m (£380m) worth of virtual money in a hacking attack on its network.
Coincheck suspended deposits and withdrawals for all crypto-currencies except Bitcoin as it assessed its losses in NEM, a lesser-known coin. If the theft is confirmed, it will be the largest involving digital currency. Another Tokyo exchange, MtGox, collapsed in 2014 after admitting that $400m had been stolen from its network.
Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505# <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505>
What lessons can we learn from this?
Regards,
*Victor Kapiyo*
Partner | *Lawmark Partners LLP*
Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, Commissioner for Oaths & Notary Public
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Bitcoin and all other cryptos that utilise a prrof-of-work algorithm are a good way to abuse the world's energy reserves and even worse they are adding to the environmental crisis. Let us break it down into the cost per transaction. Below are the current estimates for the top 2. Bitcoin Key Network Statistics DescriptionValue Bitcoin's current estimated annual electricity consumption* (TWh) 45.64 Annualized global mining revenues $10,382,095,434 Annualized estimated global mining costs $2,282,035,219 Country closest to Bitcoin in terms of electricity consumption Iraq Estimated electricity used over the previous day (KWh) 125,043,026 Implied Watts per GH/s 0.24 Total Network Hashrate in PH/s (1,000,000 GH/s) 21,960 Electricity consumed *per transaction* (KWh) 481.00 Number of U.S. households that could be powered by Bitcoin 4,225,991 Number of U.S. households powered for 1 day by the electricity consumed for a *single* transaction 16.25 Bitcoin's electricity consumption as a percentage of the world's electricity consumption 0.20% Annual carbon footprint (kt of CO2) 22,364 Carbon footprint per transaction (kg of CO2) 235.58 Ethereum Network Statistics DescriptionValue Ethereum's current estimated annual electricity consumption (TWh) 12.68 Annualized global mining revenues $11,562,678,694 Annualized estimated global mining costs $1,521,968,628 Country closest to Ethereum in terms of electricity consumption Kyrgyzstan Estimated electricity used over the previous day (KWh) 34,748,142 Implied Watts per MH/s 7.884 Break-even Watts per MH/s (based on 5 cents per KWh) 59.893 Electricity consumed per transaction (KWh) 33.00 Number of U.S. households that could be powered by Ethereum 1,174,359 Number of U.S. households powered for 1 day by the electricity consumed for a single transaction 1.12 Ethereum's electricity consumption as a percentage of the world's electricity consumption 0.06% src: https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption Now factor in that these per transaction figures are for the miner that is first in confirming the block. All the work done by the other miners is mostly thrown down the drain. Also these estimates are on the lower side. but even if we were to work with 400KWh of power per transaction, relate that to how long you could run your house with such a figure. On my part this would be a month of heavy usage. The reason i call this a waste is that there are better means of achieving the same blockchain based trust without the PoW algos. The best candidate so far has been Hashgraph but unfortunately the founders of this tech got greedy and decided to patent it instead of releasing it as open-source. All the same, there are other options that are still viable and hopefully we shall see these being implemented to keep the blockchain dream alive. Regards, Kevin On 29 January 2018 at 12:30, Robert Muthuri via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
We're probably trying to conflate different business models which won't work.
- With traditional financial systems you outsource your trust to a middle man that then charges monopoly prices; - with blockchain we're using mathematical proofing functions to gain some 'trust' and currently suffer hacks until the tech matures.
What are the costs of running the first system beyond normal running costs, 2008 financial crisis, plus factoring cost of regulatory compliance which has risen constantly, at least for the time i've been studying it (2012)?
Also, what are the eventual benefits of blockchain applications allowing our entrepreneurs ease of entry which they'd otherwise not have, efficiency, transparency (read corruption and related governance issues), disintermediation and globalisation?
Kind regards, Robert
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I don't know. Who is to say what provides value to people? If someone is willing to pay for it, it's valuable therefore I wouldn't say its a waste just because it doesn't provide value to me personally. Could that energy be put to better use? Perhaps.
On 29 January 2018 at 11:45, Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> wrote:
That energy has a purpose, and provides value to a consumer somewhere. The energy used in “mining a currency” provides no value at all, but is calculating sums for no reason other than to control supply of such currencies. It’s not to say that banks, data centers or ATMs should not be more energy efficient, but it is important to question why a process is designed to waste resources.
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I find numbers like this thrown around without context mean nothing. How much of the worlds current energy is used on other financial transactions, running banks, credit cards, atms etc? Would anyone say that energy is wasted?
On 29 January 2018 at 09:41, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Let’s not forget the biggest flaw of all with crypto currencies is that they depend on basically wasting energy (Which may or may not be sustainably produced, even so it could be better used than on crunching pointless numbers):
· *In 2017:*
- *42.67 TWh: The annual energy consumption of Bitcoin and Ethereum combined* - *0.19%: The percentage of the world’s electricity used by Bitcoin and Ethereum* - *8.49: The number of U.S. households that could be powered for a full day with the same energy as single bitcoin transaction*
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Lesson:-
That we are not safe anywhere from thieves? :-)
Seriously though one of the fundamental flaws of cryptocurrencies is that once you have been liberated from your cryptos you have no recourse. This is a design flaw that we are all hoping will be resolved. Sooner rather than later.
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On 27 Jan 2018, at 8:53 PM, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers,
One of Japan's largest digital currency exchanges says it has lost some $534m (£380m) worth of virtual money in a hacking attack on its network.
Coincheck suspended deposits and withdrawals for all crypto-currencies except Bitcoin as it assessed its losses in NEM, a lesser-known coin. If the theft is confirmed, it will be the largest involving digital currency. Another Tokyo exchange, MtGox, collapsed in 2014 after admitting that $400m had been stolen from its network.
Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505# <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505>
What lessons can we learn from this?
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On electricity, This group is slowly missing the problem blockchain is trying to solve - TRUST. Country X does not trust that their voting platform will not be compromised when results start trickling in, so the results better be written real time on Ethereum blockhain where a transaction cannot be modified once written on a block. University X does not trust their employees to maintain a genuine database of graduates, and therefore they write the list of graduates on a public blockchain. The nodes on public blockchains have to be decentralised and run by multiple entities, to approve transactions, to validate other nodes, and above all to avoid 50%+1 attack. There are centralised blockchain solutions with zero mining like Ripple network. It's controlled by one organisation, and all their tokens are pretty mined. Those too solve some problems in their niche market. @Ali, @Victor, it's not a design flow that transactions cannot be reversed. It is by design, because that is what is trying to be achieved in the first place. But reversal is actually possible, and that is what some soft and hard forks have done. A popular reversal was the DAO hack in 2017, Ethereum did a fork and reversed the hack. Only that the reversals are costly because there is not supposed to be any. On Jan 29, 2018 11:45 AM, "Adam Lane via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
That energy has a purpose, and provides value to a consumer somewhere. The energy used in “mining a currency” provides no value at all, but is calculating sums for no reason other than to control supply of such currencies. It’s not to say that banks, data centers or ATMs should not be more energy efficient, but it is important to question why a process is designed to waste resources.
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I find numbers like this thrown around without context mean nothing. How much of the worlds current energy is used on other financial transactions, running banks, credit cards, atms etc? Would anyone say that energy is wasted?
On 29 January 2018 at 09:41, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Let’s not forget the biggest flaw of all with crypto currencies is that they depend on basically wasting energy (Which may or may not be sustainably produced, even so it could be better used than on crunching pointless numbers):
· *In 2017:*
- *42.67 TWh: The annual energy consumption of Bitcoin and Ethereum combined* - *0.19%: The percentage of the world’s electricity used by Bitcoin and Ethereum* - *8.49: The number of U.S. households that could be powered for a full day with the same energy as single bitcoin transaction*
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Lesson:-
That we are not safe anywhere from thieves? :-)
Seriously though one of the fundamental flaws of cryptocurrencies is that once you have been liberated from your cryptos you have no recourse. This is a design flaw that we are all hoping will be resolved. Sooner rather than later.
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On 27 Jan 2018, at 8:53 PM, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers,
One of Japan's largest digital currency exchanges says it has lost some $534m (£380m) worth of virtual money in a hacking attack on its network.
Coincheck suspended deposits and withdrawals for all crypto-currencies except Bitcoin as it assessed its losses in NEM, a lesser-known coin. If the theft is confirmed, it will be the largest involving digital currency. Another Tokyo exchange, MtGox, collapsed in 2014 after admitting that $400m had been stolen from its network.
Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505# <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42845505>
What lessons can we learn from this?
Regards,
*Victor Kapiyo*
Partner | *Lawmark Partners LLP*
Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, Commissioner for Oaths & Notary Public
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True that. 1. The bitcoin network uses quite a huge amount of electricity. But this is really not 'wasted' since its the price to pay for securing the bitcoin network. 2. Not all Blockchain networks require excessive electricity/mining. There are other puzzle-based challenges that require less electric power and Ethereum with its 'Proof-of-Stake' instead of 'Proof-of-work' puzzle comes to mind. Infact 'private' Blockchain solutions are not that much energy hungry - though that brings in a certain level of insecurity that must be accounted for. 3. Most crypto-thefts are happening 'off' the Blockchain, that is at the user or crypt-currency exchanges levels. Its like losing your password and subsequently your money getting lost. More awareness needed at that level. walu. On Monday, January 29, 2018, 12:30:51 PM GMT+3, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: On electricity, This group is slowly missing the problem blockchain is trying to solve - TRUST. Country X does not trust that their voting platform will not be compromised when results start trickling in, so the results better be written real time on Ethereum blockhain where a transaction cannot be modified once written on a block. University X does not trust their employees to maintain a genuine database of graduates, and therefore they write the list of graduates on a public blockchain. The nodes on public blockchains have to be decentralised and run by multiple entities, to approve transactions, to validate other nodes, and above all to avoid 50%+1 attack. There are centralised blockchain solutions with zero mining like Ripple network. It's controlled by one organisation, and all their tokens are pretty mined. Those too solve some problems in their niche market. @Ali, @Victor, it's not a design flow that transactions cannot be reversed. It is by design, because that is what is trying to be achieved in the first place. But reversal is actually possible, and that is what some soft and hard forks have done. A popular reversal was the DAO hack in 2017, Ethereum did a fork and reversed the hack. Only that the reversals are costly because there is not supposed to be any. On Jan 29, 2018 11:45 AM, "Adam Lane via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: That energy has a purpose, and provides value to a consumer somewhere. The energy used in “mining a currency” provides no value at all, but is calculating sums for no reason other than to control supply of such currencies. It’s not to say that banks, data centers or ATMs should not be more energy efficient, but it is important to question why a process is designed to waste resources. Senior Director, Public Affairs Huawei Southern Africa Mobile: +254-7909-85886 From: Sidney Ochieng [mailto:sidney.ochieng@gmail. com] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:37 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > Cc: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] World's biggest ever digital currency 'theft' I find numbers like this thrown around without context mean nothing. How much of the worlds current energy is used on other financial transactions, running banks, credit cards, atms etc? Would anyone say that energy is wasted? On 29 January 2018 at 09:41, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Let’s not forget the biggest flaw of all with crypto currencies is that they depend on basically wasting energy (Which may or may not be sustainably produced, even so it could be better used than on crunching pointless numbers): · In 2017: - 42.67 TWh: The annual energy consumption of Bitcoin and Ethereum combined - 0.19%: The percentage of the world’s electricity used by Bitcoin and Ethereum - 8.49: The number of U.S. households that could be powered for a full day with the same energy as single bitcoin transaction Senior Director, Public Affairs Huawei Southern Africa Mobile: +254-7909-85886 From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam. lane=huawei.com@lists. kictanet.or.ke]On Behalf Of Admin CampusCiti via kictanet Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 6:12 PM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Cc: Admin CampusCiti <info@campusciti.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] World's biggest ever digital currency 'theft' Lesson:- That we are not safe anywhere from thieves? :-) Seriously though one of the fundamental flaws of cryptocurrencies is that once you have been liberated from your cryptos you have no recourse. This is a design flaw that we are all hoping will be resolved. Sooner rather than later. Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin. com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 27 Jan 2018, at 8:53 PM, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Dear Listers, One of Japan's largest digital currency exchanges says it has lost some $534m (£380m) worth of virtual money in a hacking attack on its network. Coincheck suspended deposits and withdrawals for all crypto-currencies except Bitcoin as it assessed its losses in NEM, a lesser-known coin. If the theft is confirmed, it will be the largest involving digital currency. Another Tokyo exchange, MtGox, collapsed in 2014 after admitting that $400m had been stolen from its network. 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Adam Lane -
Admin CampusCiti -
Kevin Kamonye -
Mwendwa Kivuva -
Robert Muthuri -
Sidney Ochieng -
Victor Kapiyo -
Walubengo J