Local IXP (KIXP) peering and Local traffic
Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light. I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC? The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic. Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it? Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally? Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob [image: Mailtrack] <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality1&> Sent with Mailtrack <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality1&>
I would say follow the money. Who stands to lose the most should everyone peer at , say 200G locally? considering google and akamai are already in the country. \o/ On 3 May 2018, 12:21 PM +0300, Job Muriuki via kictanet <[email protected]>, wrote:
Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light.
I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC?
The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic.
Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it?
Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
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I would say follow the money.
Who stands to lose the most should everyone peer at , say 200G locally? considering google and akamai are already in the country.
\o/
On 3 May 2018, 12:21 PM +0300, Job Muriuki via kictanet < [email protected]>, wrote:
Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light.
I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC?
The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic.
Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it?
Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
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Hi Job, I have looped some IP topdogs on this. Hoping they'll honor the looping and give their views. On 3 May 2018 at 12:31, Job Muriuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Why loose and you will have more bandwidth to sell locally and we keep as much bandwidth local as possible.
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On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Collins Areba <[email protected]> wrote:
I would say follow the money.
Who stands to lose the most should everyone peer at , say 200G locally? considering google and akamai are already in the country.
\o/
On 3 May 2018, 12:21 PM +0300, Job Muriuki via kictanet < [email protected]>, wrote:
Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light.
I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC?
The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic.
Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it?
Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally?
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Skype: heviejob
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Hi Job,
I have looped some IP topdogs on this. Hoping they'll honor the looping and give their views.
On 3 May 2018 at 12:31, Job Muriuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Why loose and you will have more bandwidth to sell locally and we keep as much bandwidth local as possible.
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On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Collins Areba <[email protected]> wrote:
I would say follow the money.
Who stands to lose the most should everyone peer at , say 200G locally? considering google and akamai are already in the country.
\o/
On 3 May 2018, 12:21 PM +0300, Job Muriuki via kictanet < [email protected]>, wrote:
Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light.
I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC?
The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic.
Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it?
Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
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On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Job Muriuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light.
I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC?
The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic.
Mmmm... can you share the traceroutes, perhaps it could be a routing policy but I know that most of them do keep traffic bound to the local internet local as long as there is local peering going on between the ISP and carrier.
Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it?
I dont believe KIXP is unreliable and to the best of my knowledge, a lot of local traffic is being exchanged at the KIXP.
Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America.
I tend to believe that different products are costed differently depending on the cost of delivering the product or service. Remember local infrastructure is still developing and there are no so many options out there. Very few local loop providers in other words to give the consumer a competitive advantage.
Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally?
There are so many reasons for this but in a nutshell, its a cost issue until the data-center industry grows and cost of electricity drops drastically otherwise, hosting outside is far cheaper. So any business would want to reduce its capex at any cost.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
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On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Noah <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Job Muriuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light.
I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC?
The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic.
Mmmm... can you share the traceroutes, perhaps it could be a routing policy but I know that most of them do keep traffic bound to the local internet local as long as there is local peering going on between the ISP and carrier.
Look at this two trace routes. One from a safaricom connation and another simbanet. The IP am tracing to is peering ar KIXP on a Hurricane electric's IP transit service. The same I P I reach via KIXP from a FON connection
Simbanet Safaricom FON
Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it?
I dont believe KIXP is unreliable and to the best of my knowledge, a lot of local traffic is being exchanged at the KIXP.
Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America.
I tend to believe that different products are costed differently depending on the cost of delivering the product or service. Remember local infrastructure is still developing and there are no so many options out there. Very few local loop providers in other words to give the consumer a competitive advantage.
Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally?
There are so many reasons for this but in a nutshell, its a cost issue until the data-center industry grows and cost of electricity drops drastically otherwise, hosting outside is far cheaper. So any business would want to reduce its capex at any cost.
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
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I’m going to attempt to comment the best I can on this. Firstly – from Liquid’s position – we have an open, published, transparent peering policy – it basically says – we will peer openly, provided that basic conditions are met. That document can be read at https://www.liquidtelecom.net/peering_policy - and is as transparent as it can be. Now, there are also challenges relating to peering – and most of them are not actually contractual - they are technical. We have seen many times where the technical configurations still cause traffic to flow via much longer paths because of the way the BGP announcements are done – where we see this – we attempt to talk to partners to get it rectified – and sometimes succeed – but with literally hundreds of thousands of routes in the routing table – problems like these can take time to detect and be resolved. Secondly – we have seen a number of ISP’s that have a default action when problems occur of turning off the peering – rather than rectifying the problem – and it can take time to get those peering sessions re-established – we do our best 😊 Thirdly – while Liquid and most of the other Kenyan players do have open peering policies – and I congratulate all of them on that – this is not always the case with the larger international players. The content providers (Google and others) will peer openly – Tier-1 ISP’s typically will not – and where they do – the amount of traffic from the tier-1 providers is actually pretty low – most of the content comes from the content providers (Google for example accounts for a massive percentage of the traffic), and these content providers very often do not have presence in Nairobi. In fact – there is one content provider who is in the country but they only peer in Mombasa – at a non-neutral location – and backhaul cost between Nairobi and Mombasa costs money. Obviously from our position though – we will continue to attempt to peer – and improve the peering relationships – and as far as I know – we are currently Africa’s most peered network – a position we are proud of – and I don’t believe that the peering issues you are referring to are related to the IXP or the lack of willingness by Kenyan IXP’s to peer – I believe they come down to a the issues of technical skill, maintenance of peering connections and a host of other factors internal to ISP’s. As regards the question of peering at 200G – peering at gigabit and 10gigabit speeds is relatively cost effective – peering at 100gig speeds currently doesn’t make economic sense while the traffic demand isn’t there and the costs are what they are (100gig equipment is *very* costly, where even the optics are running into thousands of dollars per side) Anyway – that’s my comment Andrew Alston Liquid Telecommunications – Group Head of IP Strategy From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston=liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Job Muriuki via kictanet Sent: 03 May 2018 12:19 To: Andrew Alston <[email protected]> Cc: Job Muriuki <[email protected]> Subject: [kictanet] Local IXP (KIXP) peering and Local traffic [https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/a0ac639140c315d85297a99b7460fc66219287f5.png...] Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light. I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC? The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic. Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it? Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally? Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob [Mailtrack]<https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality1&>Sent with Mailtrack<https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality1&>
Hallo Job Thank you for the questions and concern you have raised on peering and local traffic. Please find my responses inline within your message. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Job Muriuki via kictanet" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: "Job Muriuki" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 12:18:46 PM Subject: [kictanet] Local IXP (KIXP) peering and Local traffic Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light. I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC? Yes KIXP is open to international carriers and they are welcome to peer at KIXP please find the list here: https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=11646 and offering a total of 115,000 routes through KIXP. The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic. Yes you are correct, we do realise that members are not advertising all their traffic at KIXP. Some it is because they are not getting financial budgetary allocations to upgrade their links and equipment to handle more traffic. Others are may need to send their engineers to our training sessions and discussion evenings so that they can improve the quality and amount of peering. Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? I need a clarification on what we have done to be unreliable. The KIXP has never been more stable; ever since the move into EADC we have not had downtime at the IXP. Individual members have had downtime based on various issues that we had hoped would have been addressed in the Critical Infrastructure Bill. When links to the IXP are vandalised the IXP is not able to ensure service delivery of the ISP has not taken up a redundant location to continue peering. A redundant location means that the ISP will connect to at least 2 KIXP locations. If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it? This question is best answered by the ISPs but at the IXP we now have 1Gbps port as the smallest port offering and 7 members are on 10Gbps ports. Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally? The convergence of Technology and Unified Licensing Framework have impacted on the need for ISPs to review their business models and strategies. Business models build around charging excessively for local transit are being forced to change due to: 1. Utility companies are getting into the transit space at lower costs offering more dependable connectivity especially in cases such as fiber over power. 2. The traditional ISP space has been taken up by others who are able to do the same and need to offer the local transit due to the need to maintain their customer base and provide the customer end to end services 3. Interest moving from the infrastructure to the service offering. The above are also influencing the price to bring it down. On the issue of hosting we have worked closely with KENIC and CA to encourage local hosting. Initially it was a challenge of the hosting infrastructure in terms of data centre availability. Today that has changed and we can see more effort been made to host locally. EADC and iColo can shade more light on the developments in the hosting space. Kind regards Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob Sent with Mailtrack _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/tespok%40tespok.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Just as a further note to my last email – something else people need to be aware of. Just because peering happens at an exchange – unless the *data* is local to the exchange – the ISP peering still has to bear the cost of delivering that content from the rest of their network to the peering point. Meaning – in the case of a large international ISP – if they peer locally but the majority of their content sits in Europe or the US or somewhere else – and there is no equitable traffic exchange with other parties (so the ingress/egress traffic volumes are way out of sync) peering can also be a very costly affair in that regard. It’s a complex issue 😊 Andrew From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston=liquidtelecom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Job Muriuki via kictanet Sent: 03 May 2018 12:19 To: Andrew Alston <[email protected]> Cc: Job Muriuki <[email protected]> Subject: [kictanet] Local IXP (KIXP) peering and Local traffic [https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/a0ac639140c315d85297a99b7460fc66219287f5.png...] Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light. I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC? The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic. Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it? Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally? Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob [Mailtrack]<https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality1&>Sent with Mailtrack<https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality1&>
Just because peering happens at an exchange – unless the **data** is local to the exchange – the ISP peering still has to bear the cost of delivering that content from the rest of their network to the peering point. Meaning – in the case of a large international ISP – if they peer locally but the majority of their content sits in Europe or the US or somewhere else – and there is no equitable traffic exchange with other parties (so the ingress/egress traffic volumes are way out of sync) peering can also be a very costly affair in that regard.
This part I understand very well hence the need to inprove on local traffic and make it affordable by removing the oligopolists. If ISPs can share undersea fiber cores what stops them once they get inland and what makes local transit so expensive compared to undersea? The issue of unbalaced traffic is as a combination of several factors and high cost of local bandwitdh ls one of it, I once migrated a virtual server (100gig storage) from a datacenter in US to another in Frankfurt and the transfer was close to 1Gbps but try the same from different datacenters and you wonder are they wirelessly backhauled. Recently Hurricane Electric setup at EADC and their cost of IP transit is a fraction of what it would cost me to get a pipe from Google cache in Mombasa to EADC in Nairobi. The own no inland fiber cable and they are still way affordable than any incumbent ISPs locally. How do you explain that?
It’s a complex issue 😊
Andrew
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston=liquidtelecom.com@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Job Muriuki via kictanet *Sent:* 03 May 2018 12:19 *To:* Andrew Alston <[email protected]> *Cc:* Job Muriuki <[email protected]> *Subject:* [kictanet] Local IXP (KIXP) peering and Local traffic
Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light.
I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC?
The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic.
Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it?
Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
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Hi Job, Other than Hurricane Electric, we have below connectivity partners at EADC. I think we are more or less looking at market disruption as we have the telecommunications landscape inviting more of such players...This should really be something to applaud as it pushes all of us to focus on Quality of Service, Product Development and the elusive "Pricing" discussion All the players indicated herein have an option to peer locally with KIXP at EADC but again as rightly pointed out by a colleague Andrew Alston and KIXP CEO Fiona Asonga must still ensure to have their peering configurations done to optimally utilize network resources... Rgds Dan Kwach. On 4 May 2018 at 11:35, Job Muriuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Just because peering happens at an exchange – unless the **data** is local to the exchange – the ISP peering still has to bear the cost of delivering that content from the rest of their network to the peering point. Meaning – in the case of a large international ISP – if they peer locally but the majority of their content sits in Europe or the US or somewhere else – and there is no equitable traffic exchange with other parties (so the ingress/egress traffic volumes are way out of sync) peering can also be a very costly affair in that regard.
This part I understand very well hence the need to inprove on local traffic and make it affordable by removing the oligopolists. If ISPs can share undersea fiber cores what stops them once they get inland and what makes local transit so expensive compared to undersea? The issue of unbalaced traffic is as a combination of several factors and high cost of local bandwitdh ls one of it, I once migrated a virtual server (100gig storage) from a datacenter in US to another in Frankfurt and the transfer was close to 1Gbps but try the same from different datacenters and you wonder are they wirelessly backhauled.
Recently Hurricane Electric setup at EADC and their cost of IP transit is a fraction of what it would cost me to get a pipe from Google cache in Mombasa to EADC in Nairobi. The own no inland fiber cable and they are still way affordable than any incumbent ISPs locally. How do you explain that?
It’s a complex issue 😊
Andrew
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston= [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Job Muriuki via kictanet *Sent:* 03 May 2018 12:19 *To:* Andrew Alston <[email protected]> *Cc:* Job Muriuki <[email protected]> *Subject:* [kictanet] Local IXP (KIXP) peering and Local traffic
Anyone here from Tespok or CA shed some light.
I have a question on what governs local ISP peering in Kenya. There is KIXP at EADC which was set up so to keep local traffic local. Is it open to international carriers like Seacom, Tata, Etisalat, Hurricane electric, China Telkom and others who are present at EADC?
The reason I ask is if you take service, IP transit service from any of the carriers and you are not peering at KIXP your IPs (Local traffic) go all the way to either France or UAE and back to Kenya while they could have just peered at KIXP and offer faster and "affordable" connections. It makes no sense for a connection to ecitizen or a server hosted locally at say Node Africa to have to go to IXPs in other countries and brought back to Kenya getting treated and charged as international traffic.
Is KIXP that unreliable or what is the challenge? If we don't grow our local capacity to deliver gigabit speeds in our IXP and take advantage of CDNs available locally, will we ever fully utilise the internet and create jobs at the same time without having multinationals come do it?
Currently getting a data pipe from point A to B over a fiber connection within Kenya is more expensive than getting an internet connection from the same provider which will be carried on the same fiber link as the data pipe which makes absorption of hosting services in Kenya way expensive compared to hosting servers in Europe or America. Most Kenyans and even some government agencies result in hosting services overseas and the users are in Kenya then what is the point of investing in fiber locally and have it rot underground while cash is sent to companies out there for a service we can provide locally?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
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