Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
Paul, Can we consider a data set on the legislature, the institution that remains shrouded in secrecy yet key in the governance of our country? Kipkemoi arap Kirui Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Paul Kukubo Sent: 14/07/2011 10:23:01 To: arapkirui@gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? Thank you or your email and your request. Indeed we don't have transport Data yet and I shall take this up as it has come up a few If you go onto thewebsite you will see that there is a page where we ask for data suggestions and there is a long list. I shall confirm to you what the status is on this later. PS Ndemo has been working with other permanent secretaries to champion the issue of availing data to the public. There are are very many data sets that people have written to request for and this is an on-going process. Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board On Thursday, July 14, 2011, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul, You asked what data is missing? We haven't been able to access data that is in regards to the transport sector. Is it possible to have it? Am trying to put together an application that needs me to get the data/statistics in-order to have a concrete application. Any help?
Regards,
On 13 July 2011 20:12, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have?
Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats.
Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is.
The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data.
This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access.
Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done.
Thank you to those who have emailed us with specific suggestions of encouragement and improvements to this process. The journey has just began.
Sent from my iPad
Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board Tweeter: @pkukubo
On 13 Jul 2011, at 17:04, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is indeed a healthy discussion which I really appreciate. However, as a layman, just as someone pointed out, what exactly is a (open) data centre? And how does it differ to what NBK, KPLC(?), Equity bank have? Where the Kenya Govt Open Data is, sets a curios question: doesn't the govt have plans to have it located locally? And if there are challenged reeling, can't it be brought to the fore, so that we may put our heads together and brainstorm? The idea of some sections of the government classifying information does not go well since the government is nopt an exclusive members club. If by what has been said, of Paul Kukubo 'sitting' on some resources, then it would be prudent to look at the matter in a sober manner and see how they can be put into good use. And, if there are no plans for Kenya to have the data centres locally based for the next three years, then why are we talking of Konza (Malili) ICT City, which would be a perfect place for piloting this DC? A lot of deliberation needs to be made, to realize the establishment of our own DC here.
My 2 cents.
On 13/07/2011, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert,
On 7/13/11 3:31 PM, robert yawe wrote:
Hi Michuki,
Thank you for the information, please give us the following missing information.
1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc
I will follow up on the license requirements from CCK but out of curiosity what license do UNON, KRA & NBK have (http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 <http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92>) just to get a better understanding of the entire process?<-- Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya
12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street
Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke
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Aki, You make reference to KICTB taking shortcuts, please clarify. I am impressed by how fast the conversation about open data went from the fact that it is available to the question of when local infrastructure will good enough to host it locally. Obviously we are not about to rest on our laurels even for a minute :) I think spurring innovation, improving the amount and quality of data, passing FOI/RTI legislation & moving the data onto local infrastructure are conversations that should happen in parallel (and will). Those with true access or an appetite for the data will always be a minority. It is incumbent on this minority, in my opinion, to curate that data in a way that makes it appetizing/palatable for the majority. Open data will change the fabric of our nation (I am an optimistic idealist :) ) but only if 'great stuff<http://semacraft.com/blog/2011/07/will-open-data-give-rise-to-great-stuff/>' is made using it. Legislation, infrastructure and data won't do the man on the street any good otherwise. Kind regards, *Muchiri* Nyaggah Principal Partner @muchiri +254 722 506400 Semacraft.com On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:27 AM, arap Kirui <arapkirui@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul,
Can we consider a data set on the legislature, the institution that remains shrouded in secrecy yet key in the governance of our country?
Kipkemoi arap Kirui
Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Paul Kukubo Sent: 14/07/2011 10:23:01 To: arapkirui@gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
Thank you or your email and your request.
Indeed we don't have transport Data yet and I shall take this up as it has come up a few If you go onto thewebsite you will see that there is a page where we ask for data suggestions and there is a long list.
I shall confirm to you what the status is on this later. PS Ndemo has been working with other permanent secretaries to champion the issue of availing data to the public. There are are very many data sets that people have written to request for and this is an on-going process.
Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board
On Thursday, July 14, 2011, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul, You asked what data is missing? We haven't been able to access data that is in regards to the transport sector. Is it possible to have it? Am trying to put together an application that needs me to get the data/statistics in-order to have a concrete application. Any help?
Regards,
On 13 July 2011 20:12, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
I would like to shift the discussion if I may to what people can do with the data? What data is missing? how citizens are using it. What possible value additions we can have?
Socrata.com is an online hosted service that enables data to be visualized to enable graphs and charts and data comparisons with ease. This visualization is what gives meaning to the data in a way that the common citizens can view it. The benefits of doing this quickly for launch and citizen access far outweigh the cost of waiting for the time it would have taken for us to develop a similar online application locally. One the same website we have published the same lists of data in their original formats.
Indeed we have spoken to many software developers who have suggested that they can replicate this The data is there for anyone to replicate it on any website. What we have indicated to software developers is to take the plunge into imagining solutions that are based on have access to that data. This is where the greatest value is.
The issue of local hosting has our attention and we will resolve it, not just with a local data centre, that is not the limitation, but the replication of a similar online tool to visualize the data.
This campaign has to be about the benefits of open data. Knowledge, empowerment, commerce entrepreneurship, citizen participation. By crusading for, lobbying and obtaining data that was previously only in thick books, PS Dr Ndemo has broken ground for us. By launching this HE President Kibaki has demonstrated Kenya's commitment to citizen access.
Once the entrepreneurs developers have a system that can replicate or even improve or add value to Socrata, or even improve on Socrata and Google's public data tools, the hosting decisions will be easy. As an implementing agency, we are committed to working with all to make this happen. There is much to be done.
Thank you to those who have emailed us with specific suggestions of encouragement and improvements to this process. The journey has just began.
Sent from my iPad
Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board Tweeter: @pkukubo
On 13 Jul 2011, at 17:04, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is indeed a healthy discussion which I really appreciate. However, as a layman, just as someone pointed out, what exactly is a (open) data centre? And how does it differ to what NBK, KPLC(?), Equity bank have? Where the Kenya Govt Open Data is, sets a curios question: doesn't the govt have plans to have it located locally? And if there are challenged reeling, can't it be brought to the fore, so that we may put our heads together and brainstorm? The idea of some sections of the government classifying information does not go well since the government is nopt an exclusive members club. If by what has been said, of Paul Kukubo 'sitting' on some resources, then it would be prudent to look at the matter in a sober manner and see how they can be put into good use. And, if there are no plans for Kenya to have the data centres locally based for the next three years, then why are we talking of Konza (Malili) ICT City, which would be a perfect place for piloting this DC? A lot of deliberation needs to be made, to realize the establishment of our own DC here.
My 2 cents.
On 13/07/2011, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert,
On 7/13/11 3:31 PM, robert yawe wrote:
Hi Michuki,
Thank you for the information, please give us the following missing information.
1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc
I will follow up on the license requirements from CCK but out of curiosity what license do UNON, KRA & NBK have ( http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 < http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 ) just to get a better understanding of the entire process?<-- Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya
12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street
Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke
personal contacts _______________
Cell: + 254 717 180001
skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo
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Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment
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12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street
Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke
personal contacts _______________
Cell: + 254 717 180001
skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo
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Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment
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@Michiri, IMO, My reference to KICTB taking shortcuts in this Open Data Initiative is that such an excellent process of being first out there with such an initiative would have defined our outstanding capabilites. The Open Data initiative is obviously many months of hard work behind the scenes ( A big thanks to all those who made it happen ), therefore ample time was available to have found an interim hosting solution and service to have kept the data and ip traffic local. There even must have been behind the scenes meetings with Socrata representatives and obviously Socrata integrating Mobile modules on the platform so as to ensure that it meets the Kenyan Mobile Sector drive policies. The Socrata system speaks of itself i.e. why would it suit Open Data from Kenya. Unless I missed a brief somewhere, the first I heard of Open data was while listening to the Pivot25 stream, a couple of weeks ago. Did KICTB consult or publicly announce that they were looking into a core systems/hosting facilties? Did they assume that none existed thus Socrata seemed the shortcut to an off the shelf solution? Things like Socrata just don't appear overnight with data already captured. I could also be incorrect in my opinion, and therefore corrections are very welcome. Rgds. On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri@semacraft.com>wrote:
Aki,
You make reference to KICTB taking shortcuts, please clarify.
I am impressed by how fast the conversation about open data went from the fact that it is available to the question of when local infrastructure will good enough to host it locally. Obviously we are not about to rest on our laurels even for a minute :)
I think spurring innovation, improving the amount and quality of data, passing FOI/RTI legislation & moving the data onto local infrastructure are conversations that should happen in parallel (and will). Those with true access or an appetite for the data will always be a minority. It is incumbent on this minority, in my opinion, to curate that data in a way that makes it appetizing/palatable for the majority. Open data will change the fabric of our nation (I am an optimistic idealist :) ) but only if 'great stuff<http://semacraft.com/blog/2011/07/will-open-data-give-rise-to-great-stuff/>' is made using it. Legislation, infrastructure and data won't do the man on the street any good otherwise.
Kind regards,
*Muchiri* Nyaggah
Principal Partner
@muchiri
+254 722 506400
Semacraft.com
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