Another lost side-mirror
Yesterday evening (6.30pm) i parked just outside the Hilton and lost my second side mirror within the year. Fine, i didnt tip the security guard but it was because he wasnt in site... Anyway, just wondering, with all this 'Butterfly' cameras and now 'HOTSPOTS' hovering above the City, why cant the Police take advantage of them and beef up security? I dont think we need to wait for the year 2030 or another multi-billion donor funded project for this to happen. I suspect there is still a HUGE disconnect between regular (r-)Government and electronic (e-)Government. May you have a safer evening tonite. walu.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:44 AM, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yesterday evening (6.30pm) i parked just outside the Hilton and lost my second side mirror within the year. Fine, i didnt tip the security guard but it was because he wasnt in site...
Anyway, just wondering, with all this 'Butterfly' cameras and now 'HOTSPOTS' hovering above the City, why cant the Police take advantage of them and beef up security? I dont think we need to wait for the year 2030 or another multi-billion donor funded project for this to happen. I suspect there is still a HUGE disconnect between regular (r-)Government and electronic (e-)Government.
May you have a safer evening tonite.
Hello Walu, When I used to move around in a car, I had some strict rules to observe and they were mostly geared towards helping me not be in a situation where I have to pay about KES 4000 for side mirrors. Going past Simmers Restaurant (knowing I'd require to park and leave the car) was a No-No. At Simmers, the street boys are always there and they take good care of the car if you tip them (they very much guard the car against themselves!). Please don't wait for the Police to catch up. You'll probably die after another 50 years and they'd not have "reached there":-) Vision 2030 (or whatever other visions are there) have no provisions for the Police to do such things. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post
Walu, I'd like to add a comment. Below would be a very basic overview of a metro cctv system. As it becomes clear, the task is not cheap nor simple: - Webcams and wifi/simple data platforms can only provide very limited functions as they have serious limitations on picture size, quality and control. - As a minimum, IP cameras can be used with high quality lens assemblies. These provide Wide angle, Pan,Tilt and Zoom features that can be remotely accessed by the operator. ( Added costs ) - IP cameras or even regular cameras with analogue to digital conversion streams consume a lot of local loop capacity between them and an operator room. With the fiber optic growth in major cities, this may no longer a problem - All cameras require some sort of low light boosters in areas where there are low light conditions eg, infrared etc. ( Added costs ) - As the system would be tamper proof, special power backup ( eg solar ) and protection would be necessary. ( Added Costs ) - The cctv operation centre etc would need an archive system to store all the data gathered for analysis etc. ( A huge cost here ) - Training would need to be provided to operation centre staff. Imagine someone hacking into a wifi camera system and able to monitor the events? This itself would be a big issue to security. I guess there would be need for some sort of a security policy and budgets to push for the technology implementation over a period of a few years. Hopefully policy makers will see the urgency and push forward plans to make it more safer for all. With Rgds. Aki. On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Yesterday evening (6.30pm) i parked just outside the Hilton and lost my second side mirror within the year. Fine, i didnt tip the security guard but it was because he wasnt in site...
Anyway, just wondering, with all this 'Butterfly' cameras and now 'HOTSPOTS' hovering above the City, why cant the Police take advantage of
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:44 AM, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: them and beef up security? I dont think we need to wait for the year 2030 or another multi-billion donor funded project for this to happen. I suspect there is still a HUGE disconnect between regular (r-)Government and electronic (e-)Government.
May you have a safer evening tonite.
aki wrote:
I guess there would be need for some sort of a security policy and budgets to push for the technology implementation over a period of a few years. Hopefully policy makers will see the urgency and push forward plans to make it more safer for all.
Fortunately, technically its not as complicated, we are not inventing the wheel. There's lots of places to learn from and more less expensive ways to deploy. Michuki.
Just to add a comment. The technology will belong in 2 categories : - Webcams/low resolution ( low costs ) : Good for general cctv i.e simple views such as traffic movements at roundabouts, highways etc. Can produce a very basic monitoring system and simple results. - High Resolution ( high costs ) : This can allow the agencies to even read vehicle number plates, capture images of criminal elements etc. Produces meaningful results. Incase of the hilton issue, this technology would have provided monitoring but also capture images to identify the criminal elements. There can a hybrid system based on the two above. Hopefully some day soon there will be a national security policy to push for the implementation of the correct technology and the training of the security agencies that will help reduce crime. With Rgds. Aki. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
aki wrote:
I guess there would be need for some sort of a security policy and budgets to push for the technology implementation over a period of a few years. Hopefully policy makers will see the urgency and push forward plans to make it more safer for all.
Fortunately, technically its not as complicated, we are not inventing the wheel. There's lots of places to learn from and more less expensive ways to deploy.
Michuki.
Very interesting observations...particularly the one on London having the highest 'CCTVs per Citizen' and yet the reduction on petty crime remained minimal. I guess the moral of the story is that these problems are systemic and cannot be resolved within the narrow sense of technology i.e. throwing technology at crime may not necessarily bring down the crime statistics. But NOT having the technology on the other hand does drive up the crime statistics. So like all things in life - the solution is fuzzy and must be existing somewhere in between. Policy frameworks that are holistic or cross-cutting in nature could be the starting point. walu. --- On Wed, 6/11/08, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
From: aki <aki275@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Another lost side-mirror To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 9:39 AM Just to add a comment. The technology will belong in 2 categories :
- Webcams/low resolution ( low costs ) : Good for general cctv i.e simple views such as traffic movements at roundabouts, highways etc. Can produce a very basic monitoring system and simple results.
- High Resolution ( high costs ) : This can allow the agencies to even read vehicle number plates, capture images of criminal elements etc. Produces meaningful results. Incase of the hilton issue, this technology would have provided monitoring but also capture images to identify the criminal elements.
There can a hybrid system based on the two above. Hopefully some day soon there will be a national security policy to push for the implementation of the correct technology and the training of the security agencies that will help reduce crime.
With Rgds.
Aki.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
aki wrote:
I guess there would be need for some sort of a
to push for the technology implementation over a
Hopefully policy makers will see the urgency and
security policy and budgets period of a few years. push forward plans to
make it more safer for all.
Fortunately, technically its not as complicated, we are not inventing the wheel. There's lots of places to learn from and more less expensive ways to deploy.
Michuki.
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Walu, Your response reminds me of a subject of interest.. whether crime and poverty are really related or is it genetic? I have always wondered why crime in India is not proposal to poverty there ;)) and why high rate among blacks in US? L John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: Very interesting observations...particularly the one on London having the highest 'CCTVs per Citizen' and yet the reduction on petty crime remained minimal. I guess the moral of the story is that these problems are systemic and cannot be resolved within the narrow sense of technology i.e. throwing technology at crime may not necessarily bring down the crime statistics. But NOT having the technology on the other hand does drive up the crime statistics. So like all things in life - the solution is fuzzy and must be existing somewhere in between. Policy frameworks that are holistic or cross-cutting in nature could be the starting point. walu. --- On Wed, 6/11/08, aki wrote:
From: aki Subject: Re: [kictanet] Another lost side-mirror To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 9:39 AM Just to add a comment. The technology will belong in 2 categories :
- Webcams/low resolution ( low costs ) : Good for general cctv i.e simple views such as traffic movements at roundabouts, highways etc. Can produce a very basic monitoring system and simple results.
- High Resolution ( high costs ) : This can allow the agencies to even read vehicle number plates, capture images of criminal elements etc. Produces meaningful results. Incase of the hilton issue, this technology would have provided monitoring but also capture images to identify the criminal elements.
There can a hybrid system based on the two above. Hopefully some day soon there will be a national security policy to push for the implementation of the correct technology and the training of the security agencies that will help reduce crime.
With Rgds.
Aki.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Michuki Mwangi
wrote:
aki wrote:
I guess there would be need for some sort of a
to push for the technology implementation over a
Hopefully policy makers will see the urgency and
security policy and budgets period of a few years. push forward plans to
make it more safer for all.
Fortunately, technically its not as complicated, we are not inventing the wheel. There's lots of places to learn from and more less expensive ways to deploy.
Michuki.
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