Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Listers This is interesting. Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country’s voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector’s slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes. Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-... I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance. *Ali Hussein* Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
Break out M-pesa as a separate business? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This is interesting.
Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country’s voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector’s slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-...
I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance.
*Ali Hussein*
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On a lighter note: How the world works…… You start on same level and environment with someone….you work very very hard and become successful…dominating the other person….who is probably just being lazy….that person goes to court to challenge your dominance and indeed there happens to be a law supporting the person. Case study Microsoft afew years ago…. As I said….on a lighter note. From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi via kictanet Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:11 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share Break out M-pesa as a separate business? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers This is interesting. Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country’s voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector’s slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes. Read more at: <http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-regulators-over-safaricom-s-market-share> http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-... I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance. Ali Hussein Tel: +254 770 906375 <tel:%2B254%20770%20906375> / 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Regards, Mark Mwangi markmwangi.me.ke -- * ------------------------------ * This e-mail and any attachments may contain information that is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law and is intended for the sole use of the named recipient(s). Any unauthorized review, use, or disclosure or distribution is prohibited. Any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting on any information contained in this email is hereby excluded. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the contents and notify the sender immediately; do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose or store or copy the information in any medium. Whilst our e-mails are checked for viruses, we cannot guarantee that this message or any attachment is virus free, does not contain malicious code or is incompatible with your electronic system and the Company does not accept liability in respect of viruses, malicious code or any related problems that you might experience. For further information about us, please contact us at the address indicated below. Bernsoft Interactive Limited - P O Box 15177-00100 Nairobi - Tel: +254 722 929192 Email: admin@bernsoft.com Web: www.bernsoft.com
My point exactly Bernard...And not on a light note..:) I recall a time when Airtel/Celtel/Kencell was ahead of Safaricom..Should we reward mediocrity with intervention from regulators? I guess that's a question above our pay grades because then again if you proceed to abuse the dominance you achieved through sheer hard work and brilliance what happens? As Microsoft did and Google is trying to do. Remember now the Android now controls 80+ of the mobile operating system worldwide. The answer again is that almost always the market corrects itself...with a little nudge from the government of course. So a blend of market forces and regulation is a good thing. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Jan 20, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On a lighter note:
How the world works……
You start on same level and environment with someone….you work very very hard and become successful…dominating the other person….who is probably just being lazy….that person goes to court to challenge your dominance and indeed there happens to be a law supporting the person.
Case study Microsoft afew years ago….
As I said….on a lighter note.
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi via kictanet Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:11 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Break out M-pesa as a separate business?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers
This is interesting.
Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country’s voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector’s slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-...
I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance.
Ali Hussein
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Interesting indeed! Need to study any "anti-competitive" behaviour and act....question is, will the regulator(s) act? Safaricom has its owners. Consumer behavior also has a key role to play...I've argued that for years and if memory serves, Michael Joseph once said "Kenyans have peculiar habits". These habits play a BIG role in keeping the BIG player dominant! Edith ________________________________ From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:53 PM To: Edith Adera Subject: [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share Listers This is interesting. Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country's voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector's slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes. Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-... I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance. Ali Hussein Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com<http://www.alyhussein.com> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
Actually, this is quite a serious issue, it has been proven the world over that an operator with significant market power (SMP) needs strong regulatory measures to ensure that they do not over exploit the market, and more importantly quench healthy competition... On Tuesday, January 20, 2015, Edith Adera via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Interesting indeed!
Need to study any "anti-competitive" behaviour and act....question is, will the regulator(s) act? Safaricom has its owners.
Consumer behavior also has a key role to play...I've argued that for years and if memory serves, Michael Joseph once said "Kenyans have peculiar habits". These habits play a BIG role in keeping the BIG player dominant!
Edith ------------------------------ *From:* kictanet <kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 11:53 PM *To:* Edith Adera *Subject:* [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Listers
This is interesting.
Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country’s voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector’s slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-...
I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance.
*Ali Hussein*
Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113
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Skype: abu-jomo
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Good point Brian. It is without doubt Safaricom a.k.a Queen bee is OVER-EXPLOITING the market. Somebody just has to look at their profits in a country whose per capita is only $2000. Their data prices especially, and money transfer cost are immoral for lack of a better word. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 22 January 2015 at 19:34, Brian Munyao Longwe via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Actually, this is quite a serious issue, it has been proven the world over that an operator with significant market power (SMP) needs strong regulatory measures to ensure that they do not over exploit the market, and more importantly quench healthy competition...
On Tuesday, January 20, 2015, Edith Adera via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Interesting indeed!
Need to study any "anti-competitive" behaviour and act....question is, will the regulator(s) act? Safaricom has its owners.
Consumer behavior also has a key role to play...I've argued that for years and if memory serves, Michael Joseph once said "Kenyans have peculiar habits". These habits play a BIG role in keeping the BIG player dominant!
Edith ------------------------------ *From:* kictanet <kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 11:53 PM *To:* Edith Adera *Subject:* [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Listers
This is interesting.
Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country's voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector's slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-...
I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance.
*Ali Hussein*
Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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Is there anything that CA can do for service providers that are having challenges: - Communicating what they offer to the public and what differentiates them from their competitors - Coming up with relevant services rather than copy-paste offerings Should an athlete ask an athlete's body to restrain one of the runners for winning too many races? However, the athlete's body should be careful not to be misled by the successful athlete in a such manner they end up giving this athlete preferential treatment. On Fri Jan 23 2015 at 10:35:50 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Good point Brian. It is without doubt Safaricom a.k.a Queen bee is OVER-EXPLOITING the market.
Somebody just has to look at their profits in a country whose per capita is only $2000. Their data prices especially, and money transfer cost are immoral for lack of a better word.
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
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On 22 January 2015 at 19:34, Brian Munyao Longwe via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Actually, this is quite a serious issue, it has been proven the world over that an operator with significant market power (SMP) needs strong regulatory measures to ensure that they do not over exploit the market, and more importantly quench healthy competition...
On Tuesday, January 20, 2015, Edith Adera via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Interesting indeed!
Need to study any "anti-competitive" behaviour and act....question is, will the regulator(s) act? Safaricom has its owners.
Consumer behavior also has a key role to play...I've argued that for years and if memory serves, Michael Joseph once said "Kenyans have peculiar habits". These habits play a BIG role in keeping the BIG player dominant!
Edith ------------------------------ *From:* kictanet <kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 11:53 PM *To:* Edith Adera *Subject:* [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Listers
This is interesting.
Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country's voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector's slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-...
I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance.
*Ali Hussein*
Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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Dennis My point exactly. We need to stop this Safaricom bashing lest we forget we are in a free market. Microsoft was once dominant. So is Google today. In search and Mobile Operating Systems. Markets correct themselves. And faster than a New York Minute! Customers can do what the CA can't do. Vote with their wallets. This is not to say that regulation is a bad thing. It's not. Declaring Safaricom dominant is not a bad thing. But let's be careful with the punitive measures. Even China has recognized that Communism only works when it's paid for by Capitalism. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Jan 23, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Is there anything that CA can do for service providers that are having challenges: Communicating what they offer to the public and what differentiates them from their competitors Coming up with relevant services rather than copy-paste offerings Should an athlete ask an athlete's body to restrain one of the runners for winning too many races?
However, the athlete's body should be careful not to be misled by the successful athlete in a such manner they end up giving this athlete preferential treatment.
On Fri Jan 23 2015 at 10:35:50 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Good point Brian. It is without doubt Safaricom a.k.a Queen bee is OVER-EXPLOITING the market.
Somebody just has to look at their profits in a country whose per capita is only $2000. Their data prices especially, and money transfer cost are immoral for lack of a better word.
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
On 22 January 2015 at 19:34, Brian Munyao Longwe via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Actually, this is quite a serious issue, it has been proven the world over that an operator with significant market power (SMP) needs strong regulatory measures to ensure that they do not over exploit the market, and more importantly quench healthy competition...
On Tuesday, January 20, 2015, Edith Adera via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Interesting indeed!
Need to study any "anti-competitive" behaviour and act....question is, will the regulator(s) act? Safaricom has its owners.
Consumer behavior also has a key role to play...I've argued that for years and if memory serves, Michael Joseph once said "Kenyans have peculiar habits". These habits play a BIG role in keeping the BIG player dominant!
Edith From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:53 PM To: Edith Adera Subject: [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Listers
This is interesting.
Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country’s voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector’s slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-...
I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance.
Ali Hussein
Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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Lets not pretend that Safaricom is not dominant and is not exploiting its position. Yes they got there because they responded to the market and frankly offer better service compared to the rest. This does not mean that they should now be allowed to do anything they want because they have a very Kenyan sounding name and they have nice adverts. Even AT&T was broken up and so was Microsoft. They were dominant and got there through innovation and hard work. But the market is bigger than one company. There is nothing free about a market where one provider controls 80% or is it 70% of the market. But then we shouldn't forget that the Government is one of its biggest shareholders and so the dominance may not be such a bad thing after-all. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dennis
My point exactly. We need to stop this Safaricom bashing lest we forget we are in a free market.
Microsoft was once dominant. So is Google today. In search and Mobile Operating Systems.
Markets correct themselves. And faster than a New York Minute!
Customers can do what the CA can't do. Vote with their wallets. This is not to say that regulation is a bad thing. It's not. Declaring Safaricom dominant is not a bad thing. But let's be careful with the punitive measures.
Even China has recognized that Communism only works when it's paid for by Capitalism.
*Ali Hussein*
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On Jan 23, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Is there anything that CA can do for service providers that are having challenges:
- Communicating what they offer to the public and what differentiates them from their competitors - Coming up with relevant services rather than copy-paste offerings
Should an athlete ask an athlete's body to restrain one of the runners for winning too many races?
However, the athlete's body should be careful not to be misled by the successful athlete in a such manner they end up giving this athlete preferential treatment.
On Fri Jan 23 2015 at 10:35:50 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Good point Brian. It is without doubt Safaricom a.k.a Queen bee is OVER-EXPLOITING the market.
Somebody just has to look at their profits in a country whose per capita is only $2000. Their data prices especially, and money transfer cost are immoral for lack of a better word.
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
On 22 January 2015 at 19:34, Brian Munyao Longwe via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Actually, this is quite a serious issue, it has been proven the world over that an operator with significant market power (SMP) needs strong regulatory measures to ensure that they do not over exploit the market, and more importantly quench healthy competition...
On Tuesday, January 20, 2015, Edith Adera via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Interesting indeed!
Need to study any "anti-competitive" behaviour and act....question is, will the regulator(s) act? Safaricom has its owners.
Consumer behavior also has a key role to play...I've argued that for years and if memory serves, Michael Joseph once said "Kenyans have peculiar habits". These habits play a BIG role in keeping the BIG player dominant!
Edith ------------------------------ *From:* kictanet <kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 11:53 PM *To:* Edith Adera *Subject:* [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Listers
This is interesting.
Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country’s voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector’s slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-...
I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance.
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Mark Microsoft wasn't broken up by the government. The Market took care of that.. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Jan 23, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Lets not pretend that Safaricom is not dominant and is not exploiting its position. Yes they got there because they responded to the market and frankly offer better service compared to the rest.
This does not mean that they should now be allowed to do anything they want because they have a very Kenyan sounding name and they have nice adverts. Even AT&T was broken up and so was Microsoft. They were dominant and got there through innovation and hard work. But the market is bigger than one company.
There is nothing free about a market where one provider controls 80% or is it 70% of the market.
But then we shouldn't forget that the Government is one of its biggest shareholders and so the dominance may not be such a bad thing after-all.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dennis
My point exactly. We need to stop this Safaricom bashing lest we forget we are in a free market.
Microsoft was once dominant. So is Google today. In search and Mobile Operating Systems.
Markets correct themselves. And faster than a New York Minute!
Customers can do what the CA can't do. Vote with their wallets. This is not to say that regulation is a bad thing. It's not. Declaring Safaricom dominant is not a bad thing. But let's be careful with the punitive measures.
Even China has recognized that Communism only works when it's paid for by Capitalism.
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 23, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Is there anything that CA can do for service providers that are having challenges: Communicating what they offer to the public and what differentiates them from their competitors Coming up with relevant services rather than copy-paste offerings Should an athlete ask an athlete's body to restrain one of the runners for winning too many races?
However, the athlete's body should be careful not to be misled by the successful athlete in a such manner they end up giving this athlete preferential treatment.
On Fri Jan 23 2015 at 10:35:50 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Good point Brian. It is without doubt Safaricom a.k.a Queen bee is OVER-EXPLOITING the market.
Somebody just has to look at their profits in a country whose per capita is only $2000. Their data prices especially, and money transfer cost are immoral for lack of a better word.
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
On 22 January 2015 at 19:34, Brian Munyao Longwe via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Actually, this is quite a serious issue, it has been proven the world over that an operator with significant market power (SMP) needs strong regulatory measures to ensure that they do not over exploit the market, and more importantly quench healthy competition...
On Tuesday, January 20, 2015, Edith Adera via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Interesting indeed!
Need to study any "anti-competitive" behaviour and act....question is, will the regulator(s) act? Safaricom has its owners.
Consumer behavior also has a key role to play...I've argued that for years and if memory serves, Michael Joseph once said "Kenyans have peculiar habits". These habits play a BIG role in keeping the BIG player dominant!
Edith From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:53 PM To: Edith Adera Subject: [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Listers
This is interesting.
Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country’s voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector’s slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-...
I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance.
Ali Hussein
Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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Ali,ListersThe fundamental issue is not about Safaricom bashing.It is simply following the law and and asking the relevant authorities to invoke the relevant legal provisions including: 1. Kenya Communications Act 2009,Section 84W,sub-section (4) and (5)2.Kenya Information and Communications (Fair Competition and Equality of Treatment) Regulations ,Sections 7 and 83.Competition Act of 2010 Section 4(3). Under both pieces of legislation and from experience in other jurisdictions, Air-tel or any other applicant would appear have a very strong legal position. John Kariuki From: Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Friday, 23 January 2015, 14:34 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share Dennis My point exactly. We need to stop this Safaricom bashing lest we forget we are in a free market. Microsoft was once dominant. So is Google today. In search and Mobile Operating Systems. Markets correct themselves. And faster than a New York Minute! Customers can do what the CA can't do. Vote with their wallets. This is not to say that regulation is a bad thing. It's not. Declaring Safaricom dominant is not a bad thing. But let's be careful with the punitive measures. Even China has recognized that Communism only works when it's paid for by Capitalism. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Jan 23, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Is there anything that CA can do for service providers that are having challenges: - Communicating what they offer to the public and what differentiates them from their competitors - Coming up with relevant services rather than copy-paste offerings Should an athlete ask an athlete's body to restrain one of the runners for winning too many races? However, the athlete's body should be careful not to be misled by the successful athlete in a such manner they end up giving this athlete preferential treatment. On Fri Jan 23 2015 at 10:35:50 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Good point Brian. It is without doubt Safaricom a.k.a Queen bee is OVER-EXPLOITING the market. Somebody just has to look at their profits in a country whose per capita is only $2000. Their data prices especially, and money transfer cost are immoral for lack of a better word. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 22 January 2015 at 19:34, Brian Munyao Longwe via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Actually, this is quite a serious issue, it has been proven the world over that an operator with significant market power (SMP) needs strong regulatory measures to ensure that they do not over exploit the market, and more importantly quench healthy competition... On Tuesday, January 20, 2015, Edith Adera via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Interesting indeed! Need to study any "anti-competitive" behaviour and act....question is, will the regulator(s) act? Safaricom has its owners. Consumer behavior also has a key role to play...I've argued that for years and if memory serves, Michael Joseph once said "Kenyans have peculiar habits". These habits play a BIG role in keeping the BIG player dominant! Edith From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:53 PM To: Edith Adera Subject: [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share Listers This is interesting. Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country’s voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector’s slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes. Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-... I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance. Ali Hussein Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn:http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kivuva%40transworldafr... 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So Airtel wants regulation to fill in their gaps/ lack of innovation? Simple things like understanding Kenyans 'peculiar habits' will help Airtel 22million times better than any regulation. As a Kenyan, when will I see a Kenyan head of something at Airtel? Maybe a Kenyan will talk to subscribers in a language and nuance they understand...like Safaricom has done even with seemingly exploitative pricing. With my 500 Safaricom shares and a dividend check of 34bob, I feel included when they say 'Safaricom ina wenyewe'. Am one of them. 'We' therefore are not exploiting or overcharging anybody. Just money from one of your pockets to another. Mr. Airtel, do anything but until you appeal to my peculiar habits....! On 23 Jan 2015 17:22, "John Kariuki via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,Listers The fundamental issue is not about Safaricom bashing. It is simply following the law and and asking the relevant authorities to invoke the relevant legal provisions including:
1. Kenya Communications Act 2009,Section 84W,sub-section (4) and (5) 2.Kenya Information and Communications (Fair Competition and Equality of Treatment) Regulations ,Sections 7 and 8 3.Competition Act of 2010 Section 4(3).
Under both pieces of legislation and from experience in other jurisdictions, Air-tel or any other applicant would appear have a very strong legal position.
John Kariuki
------------------------------ *From:* Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk *Sent:* Friday, 23 January 2015, 14:34 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Dennis
My point exactly. We need to stop this Safaricom bashing lest we forget we are in a free market.
Microsoft was once dominant. So is Google today. In search and Mobile Operating Systems.
Markets correct themselves. And faster than a New York Minute!
Customers can do what the CA can't do. Vote with their wallets. This is not to say that regulation is a bad thing. It's not. Declaring Safaricom dominant is not a bad thing. But let's be careful with the punitive measures.
Even China has recognized that Communism only works when it's paid for by Capitalism.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 23, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Is there anything that CA can do for service providers that are having challenges:
- Communicating what they offer to the public and what differentiates them from their competitors - Coming up with relevant services rather than copy-paste offerings
Should an athlete ask an athlete's body to restrain one of the runners for winning too many races?
However, the athlete's body should be careful not to be misled by the successful athlete in a such manner they end up giving this athlete preferential treatment.
On Fri Jan 23 2015 at 10:35:50 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Good point Brian. It is without doubt Safaricom a.k.a Queen bee is OVER-EXPLOITING the market.
Somebody just has to look at their profits in a country whose per capita is only $2000. Their data prices especially, and money transfer cost are immoral for lack of a better word.
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On 22 January 2015 at 19:34, Brian Munyao Longwe via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Actually, this is quite a serious issue, it has been proven the world over that an operator with significant market power (SMP) needs strong regulatory measures to ensure that they do not over exploit the market, and more importantly quench healthy competition...
On Tuesday, January 20, 2015, Edith Adera via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Interesting indeed!
Need to study any "anti-competitive" behaviour and act....question is, will the regulator(s) act? Safaricom has its owners.
Consumer behavior also has a key role to play...I've argued that for years and if memory serves, Michael Joseph once said "Kenyans have peculiar habits". These habits play a BIG role in keeping the BIG player dominant!
Edith ------------------------------ *From:* kictanet <kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 11:53 PM *To:* Edith Adera *Subject:* [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Listers
This is interesting.
Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country’s voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector’s slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-...
I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance.
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Regulation in Kenya is usually misconceived, after all, this is the same country that has unsuccessfully tried to use the law to keep cheaper sugar away, rather than let market forces shape and run the sugar factories. Just because we come up with laws(based on our feelings and emotions, as opposed to hard logic) does not mean we are right. On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 08:30 K Machuhi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
So Airtel wants regulation to fill in their gaps/ lack of innovation?
Simple things like understanding Kenyans 'peculiar habits' will help Airtel 22million times better than any regulation.
As a Kenyan, when will I see a Kenyan head of something at Airtel? Maybe a Kenyan will talk to subscribers in a language and nuance they understand...like Safaricom has done even with seemingly exploitative pricing.
With my 500 Safaricom shares and a dividend check of 34bob, I feel included when they say 'Safaricom ina wenyewe'. Am one of them. 'We' therefore are not exploiting or overcharging anybody. Just money from one of your pockets to another.
Mr. Airtel, do anything but until you appeal to my peculiar habits....! On 23 Jan 2015 17:22, "John Kariuki via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,Listers The fundamental issue is not about Safaricom bashing. It is simply following the law and and asking the relevant authorities to invoke the relevant legal provisions including:
1. Kenya Communications Act 2009,Section 84W,sub-section (4) and (5) 2.Kenya Information and Communications (Fair Competition and Equality of Treatment) Regulations ,Sections 7 and 8 3.Competition Act of 2010 Section 4(3).
Under both pieces of legislation and from experience in other jurisdictions, Air-tel or any other applicant would appear have a very strong legal position.
John Kariuki
------------------------------ *From:* Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk *Sent:* Friday, 23 January 2015, 14:34 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Dennis
My point exactly. We need to stop this Safaricom bashing lest we forget we are in a free market.
Microsoft was once dominant. So is Google today. In search and Mobile Operating Systems.
Markets correct themselves. And faster than a New York Minute!
Customers can do what the CA can't do. Vote with their wallets. This is not to say that regulation is a bad thing. It's not. Declaring Safaricom dominant is not a bad thing. But let's be careful with the punitive measures.
Even China has recognized that Communism only works when it's paid for by Capitalism.
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On Jan 23, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Is there anything that CA can do for service providers that are having challenges:
- Communicating what they offer to the public and what differentiates them from their competitors - Coming up with relevant services rather than copy-paste offerings
Should an athlete ask an athlete's body to restrain one of the runners for winning too many races?
However, the athlete's body should be careful not to be misled by the successful athlete in a such manner they end up giving this athlete preferential treatment.
On Fri Jan 23 2015 at 10:35:50 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Good point Brian. It is without doubt Safaricom a.k.a Queen bee is OVER-EXPLOITING the market.
Somebody just has to look at their profits in a country whose per capita is only $2000. Their data prices especially, and money transfer cost are immoral for lack of a better word.
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
On 22 January 2015 at 19:34, Brian Munyao Longwe via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Actually, this is quite a serious issue, it has been proven the world over that an operator with significant market power (SMP) needs strong regulatory measures to ensure that they do not over exploit the market, and more importantly quench healthy competition...
On Tuesday, January 20, 2015, Edith Adera via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Interesting indeed!
Need to study any "anti-competitive" behaviour and act....question is, will the regulator(s) act? Safaricom has its owners.
Consumer behavior also has a key role to play...I've argued that for years and if memory serves, Michael Joseph once said "Kenyans have peculiar habits". These habits play a BIG role in keeping the BIG player dominant!
Edith ------------------------------ *From:* kictanet <kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 11:53 PM *To:* Edith Adera *Subject:* [kictanet] Airtel writes to regulators over Safaricom's market share
Listers
This is interesting.
Airtel Kenya has written to Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) and Competitions Authority of Kenya (CAK) asking that Safaricom be declared a dominant player in the market. Airtel Kenya, which is targeting a bigger share of the country's voice, SMS, data and mobile-money transfer business, claims Safaricom has been using its dominance to prevent others from growing their business. It is asking the two regulators to intervene and stop the telecommunications sector's slide into a monopoly where the market leader, allegedly has freedom to do whatever it wishes.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000148531/airtel-writes-to-...
I'm curious as to what remedies there are in the act to reverse safaricom's dominance.
*Ali Hussein*
Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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Ali Hussein -
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Brian Munyao Longwe -
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John Kariuki -
K Machuhi -
Mark Mwangi -
Mwendwa Kivuva