KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations. Kind regards, -- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
Hi, Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and unenforceable rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe. This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 Subject: [kictanet] KEnic down KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations. Kind regards, -- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
Hey I think a fiber optic cable has been vandalized by those people sabotaging each other :) On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:09 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi,
Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and unenforceable rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe.
This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 *Subject:* [kictanet] KEnic down
KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations.
Kind regards,
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
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@Agosta: I doubt it is a case of fibre cut, I can go as far as 198.32.143.72, while the affected server(s) is on 198.32.67.18, so I guess the router and the server are pretty much near each other, maybe even in the same building, although I know the opposite can also be true. -- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home On 13 January 2011 10:19, Agosta Liko <[email protected]> wrote:
Hey
I think a fiber optic cable has been vandalized by those people sabotaging each other :)
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:09 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi,
Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and unenforceable rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe.
This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 *Subject:* [kictanet] KEnic down
KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations.
Kind regards,
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
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KENIC back online (for me) -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> wrote:
@Agosta: I doubt it is a case of fibre cut, I can go as far as 198.32.143.72, while the affected server(s) is on 198.32.67.18, so I guess the router and the server are pretty much near each other, maybe even in the same building, although I know the opposite can also be true.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
On 13 January 2011 10:19, Agosta Liko <[email protected]> wrote:
Hey
I think a fiber optic cable has been vandalized by those people sabotaging each other :)
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:09 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and unenforceable rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe. This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links. Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 Subject: [kictanet] KEnic down
KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations.
Kind regards,
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
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Yes, it is up again, let's hope it stays up. -- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home On 13 January 2011 13:26, McTim <[email protected]> wrote:
KENIC back online (for me)
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
@Agosta: I doubt it is a case of fibre cut, I can go as far as 198.32.143.72, while the affected server(s) is on 198.32.67.18, so I guess the router and the server are pretty much near each other, maybe even in
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> wrote: the
same building, although I know the opposite can also be true.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
On 13 January 2011 10:19, Agosta Liko <[email protected]> wrote:
Hey
I think a fiber optic cable has been vandalized by those people
sabotaging
each other :)
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:09 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and
unenforceable
rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe. This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links. Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 Subject: [kictanet] KEnic down
KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations.
Kind regards,
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
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KIXP-KENIC Primary Link (KDN) and Transit Link (Swift) was Down, There was a Technical Problem with the Base Station where our WIMAX Link is located The problem has since been restored. The Backup KIXP-KENIC ( Telkom- Kenstream ) Line has been down for a long While, KENIC Management have terminated this link as a result of frequent breakdowns and sourced for another Backup Link The New KIXP-KENIC backup link (Access) is is almost being commissioned, Actually Access Kenya have just finished termination at KIXP side today The New KIXP-KENIC Backup link is expected to be operational from Tomorrow. The Backup Transit Link at KENIC (Access) was up, As a result DNS propagation to .KE secondary name servers was still operational during the downtime thus .KE domains were therefore available. Services that were affected by the downtime are; KENIC Website and Domain Registrations portal. Apologies for any inconvenienced caused. Regards, Joe Kiragu Administrative Manager Kenya Network Information Centre (KENIC) "Where the internet begins in Kenya" [email protected] On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani wrote:
Yes, it is up again, let's hope it stays up.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/h ome
On 13 January 2011 13:26, McTim <[email protected]> wrote: KENIC back online (for me)
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
@Agosta: I doubt it is a case of fibre cut, I can go as far as 198.32.143.72, while the affected server(s) is on 198.32.67.18, so I guess the router and the server are pretty much near each other, maybe even in the same building, although I know the opposite can also be true.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
On 13 January 2011 10:19, Agosta Liko <[email protected]> wrote:
Hey
I think a fiber optic cable has been vandalized by those people
sabotaging
each other :)
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:09 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]
wrote:
Hi, Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and
unenforceable
rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe. This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links. Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 Subject: [kictanet] KEnic down
KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> wrote: through
Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations.
Kind regards,
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
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Thanks Mr. Kiragu for the explanation. We hope the downtime will be far less this year. Regards On 13 January 2011 16:32, Joe Kiragu <[email protected]> wrote:
KIXP-KENIC Primary Link (KDN) and Transit Link (Swift) was Down, There was a Technical Problem with the Base Station where our WIMAX Link is located The problem has since been restored.
The Backup KIXP-KENIC ( Telkom- Kenstream ) Line has been down for a long While, KENIC Management have terminated this link as a result of frequent breakdowns and sourced for another Backup Link
The New KIXP-KENIC backup link (Access) is is almost being commissioned, Actually Access Kenya have just finished termination at KIXP side today The New KIXP-KENIC Backup link is expected to be operational from Tomorrow.
The Backup Transit Link at KENIC (Access) was up, As a result DNS propagation to .KE secondary name servers was still operational during the downtime thus .KE domains were therefore available. Services that were affected by the downtime are; KENIC Website and Domain Registrations portal.
Apologies for any inconvenienced caused.
Regards, Joe Kiragu Administrative Manager Kenya Network Information Centre (KENIC) "Where the internet begins in Kenya" [email protected]
On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani wrote:
Yes, it is up again, let's hope it stays up.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
On 13 January 2011 13:26, McTim <[email protected]> wrote:
KENIC back online (for me)
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
@Agosta: I doubt it is a case of fibre cut, I can go as far as 198.32.143.72, while the affected server(s) is on 198.32.67.18, so I guess the router and the server are pretty much near each other, maybe even in
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> wrote: the
same building, although I know the opposite can also be true.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
On 13 January 2011 10:19, Agosta Liko <[email protected]> wrote:
Hey
I think a fiber optic cable has been vandalized by those people
sabotaging
each other :)
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:09 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and
unenforceable
rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe. This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links. Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 Subject: [kictanet] KEnic down
KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations.
Kind regards,
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
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On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:26 PM, McTim <[email protected]> wrote:
KENIC back online (for me)
You guys are the real KENIC - Kenya Network Information Centre - monitoring and informing us:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
Yes KENIC has been down since Yesterday evening. It is disheartening when they go down without a warning. Some people had suggested KENIC getS some level of redundancy or failover. Is it not time we realised that KENIC is a critical internet resource? Regards lordmwesh On 13 January 2011 10:09, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and unenforceable rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe.
This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 *Subject:* [kictanet] KEnic down
KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations.
Kind regards,
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
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On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:25 AM, lordmwesh <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes KENIC has been down since Yesterday evening. It is disheartening when they go down without a warning. Some people had suggested KENIC getS some level of redundancy or failover. Is it not time we realised that KENIC is a critical internet resource?
For some value of that phrase. Power is a critical Internet resource for example, without it, I have no Internet. When KENIC (or even KIXP) goes down, I am still online! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:09 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and unenforceable rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe. This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links.
Is interconnection mandatory in Kenya? If so, MUST it be done at KIXP? (I know in UG, interconnection is mandatory by UCC regs, but it doesn't have to be at the UIXP.) AFAIK, gov'ts/regulators don't normally have a role to play in setting up IXPs and setting policies about how folk connect. In Africa, we have seen gov't take a more active role in recent years, (licensing KIXP, providing space and power in UG, partnering with ISOC and AfriNIC in Senegal, etc). -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
@ Yawe, Plse visit http://drpeering.net/index.php and specifically spend some time on http://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Service-Providers-And-Peering.htm... then thereafter you will agree when I say that: 1. Most Peering arrangements are (should?) indeed (be) private arrangements. 2. Regulating an IXP is not the same as regulating "Interconnection tarrifs btwn (voice) Telcos" 3. Dr. Ndemo and a "Govt" IXP?- to me its sounds like a contradiction of terms because by nature IXPs tend to be "open systems" rather than closed to one stakeholder. Of which government can and should have. But then it would be called GCCN - government common core network rather than an IXP. walu. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote: From: robert yawe <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KEnic down To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 10:09 AM Hi, Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and unenforceable rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe. This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 Subject: [kictanet] KEnic down KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations. Kind regards, -- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com
Walu, I believe we need to come up with local solutions to our peculiar local needs, a quick example, mobile money transfer is supposed to be for micro payments yet in Kenya it is the sole payment method for entire organisations. Central Bank did not pick some standard developed somewhere to justify not increasing the transaction value limit, they looked at the local scenario and made a local decision. KIXP is failing with the so called open systems approach, we need to develop a solution that will meet our requirements just like we shall soon do with the Ocampo 6, lets stop following other peoples strategies blindly we need out own unique approach. A believe Uganda has gone one up on us as per a previous contribution on this thread. Lets avoid copy pasting issues like one Kisia who copies bylaws and even forgot to change street names. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <[email protected]> To: robert yawe <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 11:08:27 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KEnic down-Basics of IXPs @ Yawe, Plse visit http://drpeering.net/index.php and specifically spend some time on http://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Service-Providers-And-Peering.htm... then thereafter you will agree when I say that: 1. Most Peering arrangements are (should?) indeed (be) private arrangements. 2. Regulating an IXP is not the same as regulating "Interconnection tarrifs btwn (voice) Telcos" 3. Dr. Ndemo and a "Govt" IXP?- to me its sounds like a contradiction of terms because by nature IXPs tend to be "open systems" rather than closed to one stakeholder. Of which government can and should have. But then it would be called GCCN - government common core network rather than an IXP. walu. --- On Thu, 1/13/11, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
From: robert yawe <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KEnic down To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 10:09 AM
Hi,
Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and unenforceable rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe.
This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 Subject: [kictanet] KEnic down
KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations.
Kind regards,
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
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Hi Robert, where exactly has KIXP failed? In fact they are a success story that should be promoted as a local version of internet governance in action. The UG IX on the other hand is a dismal failure by kixp standards. It loses power fairly regularly, has no full time staff looking after it and access to it has, until recently, open to anybody that could convince the askari they should be able to get in. It is getting better, pole, pole, but NOT because of govt intervention. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Rgds, mctim On 1/14/11, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Walu,
I believe we need to come up with local solutions to our peculiar local needs, a quick example, mobile money transfer is supposed to be for micro payments yet in Kenya it is the sole payment method for entire organisations. Central Bank did not pick some standard developed somewhere to justify not increasing the transaction value limit, they looked at the local scenario and made a local decision.
KIXP is failing with the so called open systems approach, we need to develop a solution that will meet our requirements just like we shall soon do with the Ocampo 6, lets stop following other peoples strategies blindly we need out own unique approach. A believe Uganda has gone one up on us as per a previous contribution on this thread.
Lets avoid copy pasting issues like one Kisia who copies bylaws and even forgot to change street names.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <[email protected]> To: robert yawe <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 11:08:27 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KEnic down-Basics of IXPs
@ Yawe, Plse visit http://drpeering.net/index.php
and specifically spend some time on
http://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Service-Providers-And-Peering.htm...
then thereafter you will agree when I say that: 1. Most Peering arrangements are (should?) indeed (be) private arrangements. 2. Regulating an IXP is not the same as regulating "Interconnection tarrifs btwn (voice) Telcos" 3. Dr. Ndemo and a "Govt" IXP?- to me its sounds like a contradiction of terms because by nature IXPs tend to be "open systems" rather than closed to one stakeholder. Of which government can and should have. But then it would be called GCCN - government common core network rather than an IXP.
walu.
--- On Thu, 1/13/11, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
From: robert yawe <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KEnic down To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 10:09 AM
Hi,
Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and unenforceable rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe.
This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 Subject: [kictanet] KEnic down
KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations.
Kind regards,
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
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Hallo Robert, Allow me to point out that amongst the articles on the link Walu provided was input from KIXP published in August 2010 you seem to have missed it. It may also help you to know that since September 2010, through Treasury, the Directorate of E-government in collaboration with related government of Kenya Ministries have been peering at KIXP. This is to enable end users have a better experience in access E-government applications that are ready for use by the general public. If KIXP was a private club then the likes of KRA, and some of the Banks would not use the shared facility. KIXP picked the general principle and working within set guidelines (regulations)to develop standards of operation and value add services that are acceptable to the industry. The Industry Computer Security Incident Response Team (CSIRT) has been set up at the KIXP and from July 2010 has had fulltime staff monitoring the network for incidents and updating specific peering members on issues identified on their respective networks. We are in collaboration with peering government agencies as well as the CCK in establishing a national CSIRT/CERT. It is therefore not practical at this point in time to view the KIXP as strictly private sector entity (club). It is KIXP’s unique growth strategies supported by innovative solutions within the country that have given it the level of success it has achieved over the years. Effective 1st January 2011, KIXP has become a member of the Euro-IX https://www.euro-ix.net Membership for non-European Internet Exchange Point is based on the value and significance the IXPs are having in their respective regions. For KIXP there are key policies issues at that level that we hope will lead to growth of the KIXP as well as other IXPs in the region. In view of the level of innovation in the country, I will encourage you, Robert to develop a new open system approach for IXPs and we shall be happy to try it out in so far as it does not breach CCK regulations that govern the IXP and the general purpose of an IXP. Kind Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point Board Member Africa Internet Service Providers Association Co-ordinator of Membership and Communication of the Africa Computer Emergency Response Team NRO Number Council http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html ASO Address Council http://aso.icann.org/ac/ 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 Website: www.tespok.or.ke “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government” -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of McTim Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KEnic down-Basics of IXPs Hi Robert, where exactly has KIXP failed? In fact they are a success story that should be promoted as a local version of internet governance in action. The UG IX on the other hand is a dismal failure by kixp standards. It loses power fairly regularly, has no full time staff looking after it and access to it has, until recently, open to anybody that could convince the askari they should be able to get in. It is getting better, pole, pole, but NOT because of govt intervention. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Rgds, mctim On 1/14/11, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Walu,
I believe we need to come up with local solutions to our peculiar local needs, a quick example, mobile money transfer is supposed to be for micro payments yet in Kenya it is the sole payment method for entire organisations. Central Bank did not pick some standard developed somewhere to justify not increasing the transaction value limit, they looked at the local scenario and made a local decision.
KIXP is failing with the so called open systems approach, we need to develop a solution that will meet our requirements just like we shall soon do with the Ocampo 6, lets stop following other peoples strategies blindly we need out own unique approach. A believe Uganda has gone one up on us as per a previous contribution on this thread.
Lets avoid copy pasting issues like one Kisia who copies bylaws and even forgot to change street names.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <[email protected]> To: robert yawe <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 11:08:27 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KEnic down-Basics of IXPs
@ Yawe, Plse visit http://drpeering.net/index.php
and specifically spend some time on
http://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Service-Providers-And-Peering.htm...
then thereafter you will agree when I say that: 1. Most Peering arrangements are (should?) indeed (be) private arrangements. 2. Regulating an IXP is not the same as regulating "Interconnection tarrifs btwn (voice) Telcos" 3. Dr. Ndemo and a "Govt" IXP?- to me its sounds like a contradiction of terms because by nature IXPs tend to be "open systems" rather than closed to one stakeholder. Of which government can and should have. But then it would be called GCCN - government common core network rather than an IXP.
walu.
--- On Thu, 1/13/11, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
From: robert yawe <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KEnic down To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 10:09 AM
Hi,
Please note that KIXP is a private club that has loose and unenforceable rules and regulations for its members which is why at peak times a lot of local traffic must get routed via Europe.
This explain to you why Dr. Ndemo wanted to setup a separate exchange point to initially provide service to the government and on the other end I have kept insisting the CCK needs to set up an exchange point with enforceable regulations such as a minimum bandwidth to it with redundant links.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 9:28:42 Subject: [kictanet] KEnic down
KEnic appears to be down today. Also why is it that traffic through Orange-TKL first goes to Europe before coming back to Nairobi, Kenya? Think KIXP. Are KEnic and Orange-TKL not peering members on KIXP, I would expect them to be pioneer members on KIXP to serve as role models for other organizations.
Kind regards,
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
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