Re: [kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered?
This is a very interesting discussion. A while back when the MOI had issued the directive to have all SIMs and phones registered, I had approached one Telco with an app idea where a vendor could send an SMS to verify an ID number of the person wishing to register their SIM (I saw a business opportunity for myself in this- make some money from the transactions and an opportunity to digitize records at Immigration). The logic was simple, the vendor was to physically verify the particulars on the ID issued given by the customer, and send an SMS to query the registered persons database at no extra cost to the vendor or customer. The return SMS would then validate that the number was authentic - complete with date of birth, names, etc. I was turned down with an explanation that this was not good for business and it was illegal! I would suggest that the Telcos work with Immigration, registrar of persons, office of the AG, etc....question then becomes, does such a DB exist, and if it does? how accurate is it? would this be legal? Kind regards, Edwin -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:26 PM To: Edwin Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 77, Issue 70 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner@lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered? (Edith Adera) 2. Re: Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered? (Kivuva) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:19:49 +0000 From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> To: Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered? Message-ID: <B62E14120536B14B81E328F4FF78AA99D9AC0C@hqvm24.IDRC.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bwana Ndemo, My beef is with CEOs not telling the truth in public!! You condone it? We're good at shifting blame. Telcos and CCK have to play their part, period. If it was not done, they should be held liable. We are too used to getting away with "below average" in Kenya. If the system worked, no unregistered SIM would have been active anyway, you get my point? Edith ________________________________________ From: Bitange Ndemo [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 12:51 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered? Edith, We are just quarrelsome people. We lack the discipline to: take our responsibilities seriously, obey the law, be part of the solution and above all be our brother's keepers. The Ministry did their best in pushing for the registration. It was even forced to change the law in order to do it legally. It is for us and operators to follow the law. As for what the registration will do to evade terrorists, let us do our part in securing our people. Traceability is critical in any security arrangement. Ndemo.
Listers,
At the press conference yesterday, did the Teleco CEOs say that everyone is registered? A number of people complaining that their phones were switched off last night and they got automated messages indicating that their phones were not registered.
We need to be honest and run this industry professionally! Have we lost direction?
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University of Nairobi Business School, Lower Kabete Campus ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:24:06 +0300 From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> To: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered? Message-ID: <CAEhPqwoR+r5ABFmT7kMCYhOCdGtMCP8O_G8F=Lc3wMfEXf0ceA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" <snip>.
That there are fake IDs being made in river road is also the authorities
Where in River Road are fake IDs made? </snip>
problem. I Imagine they are always better informed than the regular mwananchi what with their network of informants and NIS agents.
Discipline comes from the top.
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Group] < bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Well said Daktari,
My mind goes wild everytime I imagine 100% compliance in this registration. The m-commerce and e-commerce opportunities that lie hidden by this.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Bitange Ndemo Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:52 PM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered?
Edith, We are just quarrelsome people. We lack the discipline to: take our responsibilities seriously, obey the law, be part of the solution and above all be our brother's keepers. The Ministry did their best in pushing for the registration. It was even forced to change the law in order to do it legally. It is for us and operators to follow the law.
As for what the registration will do to evade terrorists, let us do our part in securing our people. Traceability is critical in any security arrangement.
Ndemo.
Listers,
At the press conference yesterday, did the Teleco CEOs say that everyone is registered? A number of people complaining that their phones were switched off last night and they got automated messages indicating that their phones were not registered.
We need to be honest and run this industry professionally! Have we lost direction?
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______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 9 October 2013 20:16, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dr. Ndemo are we now saying that this is also the citizens fault? If I can buy a SIM card without registering, I will. The hustle of registering is a waste of my time since it is of no benefit to me. The information is valuable to the government and so the establishment should be at the fore front of ensuring it is collected correctly.
That there are fake IDs being made in river road is also the authorities problem. I Imagine they are always better informed than the regular mwananchi what with their network of informants and NIS agents.
Discipline comes from the top.
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Group] < bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Well said Daktari,
My mind goes wild everytime I imagine 100% compliance in this registration. The m-commerce and e-commerce opportunities that lie hidden by this.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Bitange Ndemo Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:52 PM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered?
Edith, We are just quarrelsome people. We lack the discipline to: take our responsibilities seriously, obey the law, be part of the solution and above all be our brother's keepers. The Ministry did their best in pushing for the registration. It was even forced to change the law in order to do it legally. It is for us and operators to follow the law.
As for what the registration will do to evade terrorists, let us do our part in securing our people. Traceability is critical in any security arrangement.
Ndemo.
Listers,
At the press conference yesterday, did the Teleco CEOs say that everyone is registered? A number of people complaining that their phones were switched off last night and they got automated messages indicating that their phones were not registered.
We need to be honest and run this industry professionally! Have we lost direction?
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