Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Alex, Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector. So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..? Harry On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
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Thanks Alex, I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day. Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
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@Alex, @Muthuri, Thnx for 'bursting' me @ http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... It does seem the Internet does not forget :-) Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments. However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it. In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through. So there you have it :-) walu. From: Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Thanks Alex, I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day. Regards On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Alex, Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector. So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..? Harry On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Walu, Do you need to defend yourself? http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... Regards, Alex -----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws." It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority. Regards, Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Hey Dennis, Welcome on board..! The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings. Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'.. Harry On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Hary, Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter. Thanks. Dennis On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Dennis Muthuri Mburugu Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. Dennis Muthuri MburuguSkype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Walu Well put. There is no doubt that an act of parliament will ground a lot of things. It doesn't mean that this nefarious piece of legislation addresses issues of the industry and its players. This is a wake up call that the players in this industry need to wake up and smell the coffee and ensure that individuals that purport to represent the industry are given a wide berth by the government. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 6 Jul 2016, at 3:26 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Alex, @Muthuri,
Thnx for 'bursting' me @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.
However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.
In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
So there you have it :-)
walu.
From: Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Thanks Alex,
I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.
Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
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Walu Well said. I believe that as an industry if we need to speak as one voice, then we need the insiders themselves to agree on their own modus operandi and structures. An outside party such as the parliament intervening in such matters will only bring the same bureaucratic, institutionalised, old school way of thinking. The IEEE is an institution that works well and is quite flexible and transparent in how they conduct their matters, we could learn from them.
On 6 Jul 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Walu
Well put. There is no doubt that an act of parliament will ground a lot of things. It doesn't mean that this nefarious piece of legislation addresses issues of the industry and its players. This is a wake up call that the players in this industry need to wake up and smell the coffee and ensure that individuals that purport to represent the industry are given a wide berth by the government.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
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Sent from my iPad
On 6 Jul 2016, at 3:26 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
@Alex, @Muthuri,
Thnx for 'bursting' me @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html>
It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.
However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.
In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
So there you have it :-)
walu.
From: Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com <mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com>>; Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Thanks Alex,
I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.
Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com <mailto:harry26001@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html>
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com <mailto:harry26001@gmail.com>>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <muthuridennis@gmail.com <mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash <https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash>
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com <mailto:harry26001@gmail.com>>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com <mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke <http://www.kitanet.or.ke/>, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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More consultation needs to be done. Involvement of more stakeholders is crucial. This cannot be left to a few individuals. Preston Odera ISACA Kenya Chapter +254722771478 On 6 July 2016 at 15:26, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Alex, @Muthuri,
Thnx for 'bursting' me @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.
However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.
In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
So there you have it :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Thanks Alex,
I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.
Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' < muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
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Thanks Walu, What is the way forward on the bill? Regards, Alex From: Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views @Alex, @Muthuri, Thnx for 'bursting' me @ http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... It does seem the Internet does not forget :-) Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments. However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it. In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through. So there you have it :-) walu. _____ From: Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > To: jwalu@yahoo.com <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com <mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com> >; Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> >; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Thanks Alex, I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day. Regards On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com <mailto:harry26001@gmail.com> > wrote: Hey Alex, Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector. So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..? Harry On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: Walu, Do you need to defend yourself? http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... Regards, Alex -----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com <mailto:harry26001@gmail.com> >; 'Dennis Muthuri' <muthuridennis@gmail.com <mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com> > Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws." It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority. Regards, Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com <mailto:harry26001@gmail.com> >; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com <mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Hey Dennis, Welcome on board..! The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke <http://www.kitanet.or.ke/> , under the corresponding link headings. Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'.. Harry On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: Hi Hary, Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter. Thanks. Dennis On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Dennis Muthuri Mburugu Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. Dennis Muthuri Mburugu Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Multi-stakeholder need to be part and parcel of making any decision in ICT Policy which is always considered as Best-Practice in any policy development in any country. Maybe we can ask our top guys on board like of Walubengo, What is the way forward after the current feedbacks here at KICTANET mailing list,Jadili platform and social media? Regards, Kiprono Bryan On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Alex Watila via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks Walu,
What is the way forward on the bill?
Regards,
Alex
*From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk> *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
@Alex, @Muthuri,
Thnx for 'bursting' me @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.
However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.
In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
So there you have it :-)
walu.
------------------------------
*From:* Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Thanks Alex,
I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.
Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' < muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [ mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
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I second what Harry has said. We shelve this as a gesture on good will and consensus be sought going forward. Dennis.
On 6 Jul 2016, at 3:56 PM, Kiprono Bryan <kipronobrian10@gmail.com> wrote:
Multi-stakeholder need to be part and parcel of making any decision in ICT Policy which is always considered as Best-Practice in any policy development in any country.
Maybe we can ask our top guys on board like of Walubengo, What is the way forward after the current feedbacks here at KICTANET mailing list,Jadili platform and social media?
Regards,
Kiprono Bryan
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Thanks Walu,
What is the way forward on the bill?
Regards,
Alex
From: Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com>] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Cc: Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com <mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com>>; Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>> Subject: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
@Alex, @Muthuri,
Thnx for 'bursting' me @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html>
It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.
However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.
In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
So there you have it :-)
walu.
From: Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> To: jwalu@yahoo.com <mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com <mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com>>; Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Thanks Alex,
I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.
Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com <mailto:harry26001@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html>
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com <mailto:harry26001@gmail.com>>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <muthuridennis@gmail.com <mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash <https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash>
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com <mailto:harry26001@gmail.com>>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com <mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke <http://www.kitanet.or.ke/>, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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Listers, I think since everyone seems to be denying awareness and participation to the Bill, the only way forward is to try and reach the Parliamentary Committee on ICT (remember last theme on institutional makeup? - never thought they would come into play so soon :-). They are the only ones who can pull the plug on this Bill (not even the CS can help u :-). And with the tyranny of numbers in Parliament, this Bill is on a straight trajectory to the house on hill and is likely to be signed into law. Unfortunately, all the stage that bill has reached is all political - and that is a space I am least equipped to deal with. But if you know your MP, start lobbying and it would help if he or she comes from the Majority party. It really now a question of who-is-your-(god)father :-) If you are an activitist you may opt to sign up onPresident Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the ICT Practitioners Bill | | President Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the... | | walu. From: Kiprono Bryan via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Kiprono Bryan <kipronobrian10@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views Multi-stakeholder need to be part and parcel of making any decision in ICT Policy which is always considered as Best-Practice in any policy development in any country. Maybe we can ask our top guys on board like of Walubengo, What is the way forward after the current feedbacks here at KICTANET mailing list,Jadili platform and social media? Regards, Kiprono Bryan On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Thanks Walu,What is the way forward on the bill? Regards, Alex From: Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views @Alex, @Muthuri, Thnx for 'bursting' me @ http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... It does seem the Internet does not forget :-) Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments. However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it. In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through. So there you have it :-) walu. From: Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Thanks Alex, I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day. Regards On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Alex, Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector. So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..? Harry On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Walu, Do you need to defend yourself? http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... Regards, Alex -----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws." It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority. Regards, Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Hey Dennis, Welcome on board..! The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings. Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'.. Harry On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Hary, Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter. Thanks. Dennis On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Dennis Muthuri Mburugu Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. Dennis Muthuri MburuguSkype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kipronobrian10%40gmail... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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@Walu, I often wonder, which is easier? Lobby Parliament and possibly still have it passed anyway or get a good lawyer and have a bad bill declared 'unconstitutional' as soon as its signed? Rgds On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
I think since everyone seems to be denying awareness and participation to the Bill, the only way forward is to try and reach the Parliamentary Committee on ICT (remember last theme on institutional makeup? - never thought they would come into play so soon :-).
They are the only ones who can pull the plug on this Bill (not even the CS can help u :-).
And with the tyranny of numbers in Parliament, this Bill is on a straight trajectory to the house on hill and is likely to be signed into law.
Unfortunately, all the stage that bill has reached is all political - and that is a space I am least equipped to deal with.
But if you know your MP, start lobbying and it would help if he or she comes from the Majority party. It really now a question of who-is-your-(god)father :-)
If you are an activitist you may opt to sign up on President Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the ICT Practitioners Bill <https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill>
President Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the... <https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill>
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Kiprono Bryan via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Kiprono Bryan <kipronobrian10@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri < muthuridennis@gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:56 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
Multi-stakeholder need to be part and parcel of making any decision in ICT Policy which is always considered as Best-Practice in any policy development in any country.
Maybe we can ask our top guys on board like of Walubengo, What is the way forward after the current feedbacks here at KICTANET mailing list,Jadili platform and social media?
Regards,
Kiprono Bryan
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Alex Watila via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks Walu, What is the way forward on the bill?
Regards,
Alex
*From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk> *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
@Alex, @Muthuri,
Thnx for 'bursting' me @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.
However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.
In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
So there you have it :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Thanks Alex,
I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.
Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' < muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [ mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
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It is not possible to regulate the ICT practitioners and I would be interested to read this bill if someone who has it can share. Was it done secretly and why? There is no country anywhere with a regulated"ICT profession". Some years back when Nigeria had military rule and no parliament some crafty people made such a bill which they gave to a military man who signed it into law but the law has not effected up to today even though its on the books (google this) because it cannot be. I hear the kenya bill is signed by Duale. Is he an ICT expert? How will it be forced if most people (as i gather) do not want it? Some guidance also needed from ICT lawyers like Bomu and Sihanya. Can someone just draft anything and get it into law or is there a process that ensures wide involvement of stakeholders. Most techies have no idea how parliament or law formulation works. Walu I don't think I share your capitulation to political intrigues, perceived or real. In kenya we passed that stage many years ag Someone with the top secret bill please share, for possible comment. W. On Wed, Jul 6, 2016, at 04:53 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet wrote:
@Walu,
I often wonder, which is easier? Lobby Parliament and possibly still have it passed anyway or get a good lawyer and have a bad bill declared 'unconstitutional' as soon as its signed?
Rgds
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
I think since everyone seems to be denying awareness and participation to the Bill, the only way forward is to try and reach the Parliamentary Committee on ICT (remember last theme on institutional makeup? - never thought they would come into play so soon :-).
They are the only ones who can pull the plug on this Bill (not even the CS can help u :-).
And with the tyranny of numbers in Parliament, this Bill is on a straight trajectory to the house on hill and is likely to be signed into law.
Unfortunately, all the stage that bill has reached is all political - and that is a space I am least equipped to deal with.
But if you know your MP, start lobbying and it would help if he or she comes from the Majority party. It really now a question of who-is-your-(god)father :-)
If you are an activitist you may opt to sign up on President Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the ICT Practitioners Bill <https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill>
President Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the... <https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill>
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Kiprono Bryan via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Kiprono Bryan <kipronobrian10@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri < muthuridennis@gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:56 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
Multi-stakeholder need to be part and parcel of making any decision in ICT Policy which is always considered as Best-Practice in any policy development in any country.
Maybe we can ask our top guys on board like of Walubengo, What is the way forward after the current feedbacks here at KICTANET mailing list,Jadili platform and social media?
Regards,
Kiprono Bryan
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Alex Watila via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks Walu, What is the way forward on the bill?
Regards,
Alex
*From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk> *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
@Alex, @Muthuri,
Thnx for 'bursting' me @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.
However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.
In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
So there you have it :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Thanks Alex,
I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.
Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
Regards,
Alex
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Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
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@Walu, I hear about an ICT Body and I wonder, how exactly would this ever work if we can't even define what our ICT is? Its like a body for Healthcare Industry... Impossible to have one. But we have Doctors , Pharmacists, Biologists, Genetics, Nurses Associations... When you refer to IEEE, as an example, that's a body for Electrical & Electronics Engineers. There are clear cut professional studies and exams that you must undertake and pass respectively, for you to join. You wouldn't find Mechanical, Civil, Architects in such a body as they have their respective associations. But, guess what, in ICT you'll find Electrical, Electronics, Mechanical, Civil, Chemical Engineers, Material Scientists, Developers, Database Admins, Hackers, Web & Graphic Designers, Designers,Bloggers, PR guys, Facebookians, Snapchatians *all* under the label ICT. Try regulating that under a single set of rules. Rgds On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Alex, @Muthuri,
Thnx for 'bursting' me @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.
However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.
In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
So there you have it :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Thanks Alex,
I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.
Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' < muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
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I'm now putting the blame for this bill squarely on you Walu. Your article seems to be describing exactly the bill's contents, they just switched out professionals for practitioners😊. Now let me go into why you're wrong: *So far, there has been no Act of Parliament that would empower a particular organisation to regulate ICT professionals in Kenya and speak on their behalf. As the country adopts more and more technology, the absence of a statutory body mandated to provide leadership in the ICT space will become more pronounced.* I have to ask why we need one body to speak for ICT professionals? We've had instances in which the professional bodies have been wrong, or have pushed agendas that put short term profit ahead of public good. Do you know why bodies for lawyers, doctors and accountants exist? Because these are professions that have existed for ever, figuratively. They have well established norms and methods. They're also extremely slow to innovate. ICT, in all it's forms has barely been around for 60 years and is still evolving. Give ICT another century to settle. *Already, many examples that would have benefited from an objective, non-political analysis from ICT professionals have come and gone. The Laptop procurement saga, the spectacular failure of the IEBC electronic systems, and practically all the Anglo “fleecing” ICT-related projects quickly come to mind.* *Would these projects have turned out differently if the individual ICT professionals involved knew that a statutory ICT professional body could revoke their licence to practice if at all they were found culpable of professional misconduct?* No these projects would not have turned out differently, malpractice exists doesn't matter if you have a certificate or not. Infact having a certificate may lead people not to scrutinise the work of these professional carefully and sanction mediocrity. The one reason you seem to have for such a body in law is so that the interests of ICT professionals can be represented however we have the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) described as a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation, and it seems to be doing a decent job without legislation to "legitimise" it. On 6 July 2016 at 15:26, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Alex, @Muthuri,
Thnx for 'bursting' me @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.
However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.
In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
So there you have it :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Thanks Alex,
I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.
Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' < muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [ mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
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