Airtel are in the process of having Celtel Zimbabwe de-listed from the Zimbabwe stock exchange, this might not seem like much but in reality it is a reflection of Airtels profit sharing strategy. The effect of this action is that the common Zimbabweans will not benefit from the profits of the company even though they will have been generated locally. Instead the government of Mugabe will receive large volumes of money through corporate tax. Lets appreciate the fact that Safaricom at least allows us to share in their profits through dividend as shareholders. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:20 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Airtel are in the process of having Celtel Zimbabwe de-listed from the Zimbabwe stock exchange, this might not seem like much but in reality it is a reflection of Airtels profit sharing strategy. The effect of this action is that the common Zimbabweans will not benefit from the profits of the company
What makes you think "common Zimbabweans" are able to buy Airtel stock? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
They currently have shares in the company and Airtel wants to buy them off, thats why. PS. Do you have an issue with us indigenous mortals? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Fri, 18 February, 2011 8:37:43 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Calling Rates - Airtel to de-list Celtel On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:20 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Airtel are in the process of having Celtel Zimbabwe de-listed from the Zimbabwe stock exchange, this might not seem like much but in reality it is a reflection of Airtels profit sharing strategy. The effect of this action is that the common Zimbabweans will not benefit from the profits of the company
What makes you think "common Zimbabweans" are able to buy Airtel stock? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:56 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
They currently have shares in the company and Airtel wants to buy them off, thats why.
I seriously doubt there are many folk in Zim (or Zambia) that can afford to buy stock in any company, given the economic reality in Zim. Corrupt politicians and the kleptocracy, certainly can afford shares.
PS. Do you have an issue with us indigenous mortals?
Only when they steal from their brothers and sisters with impunity. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
One word for you Madoff Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Fri, 18 February, 2011 18:05:12 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Calling Rates - Airtel to de-list Celtel On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:56 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
They currently have shares in the company and Airtel wants to buy them off, thats why.
I seriously doubt there are many folk in Zim (or Zambia) that can afford to buy stock in any company, given the economic reality in Zim. Corrupt politicians and the kleptocracy, certainly can afford shares.
PS. Do you have an issue with us indigenous mortals?
Only when they steal from their brothers and sisters with impunity. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Hi, The best performing "stock exchange in Africa" was Zambia as its index rose more than 12 per cent while the second best monitored by African Alliance was Botswana (BSE DCI) at 8.3 per cent up and Nigeria (Nig ALSI) rose 7.5 per cent. Year to date, the NSE (Nairobi Stock Exchange" 20-share index was down 16.5 per cent. At the end of January this year, the index had fallen 0.7 per cent before this accelerated as the year entered its second month. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/NSE+loses+as+investors+loo... Sorry to ask McTim, what sources did you base your conclusion that the Zambians cannot afford to buy shares in any company? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Fri, 18 February, 2011 18:05:12 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Calling Rates - Airtel to de-list Celtel On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:56 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
They currently have shares in the company and Airtel wants to buy them off, thats why.
I seriously doubt there are many folk in Zim (or Zambia) that can afford to buy stock in any company, given the economic reality in Zim. Corrupt politicians and the kleptocracy, certainly can afford shares.
PS. Do you have an issue with us indigenous mortals?
Only when they steal from their brothers and sisters with impunity. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:14 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi, The best performing "stock exchange in Africa" was Zambia as its index rose more than 12 per cent while the second best monitored by African Alliance was Botswana (BSE DCI) at 8.3 per cent up and Nigeria (Nig ALSI) rose 7.5 per cent. Year to date, the NSE (Nairobi Stock Exchange" 20-share index was down 16.5 per cent. At the end of January this year, the index had fallen 0.7 per cent before this accelerated as the year entered its second month. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/NSE+loses+as+investors+loo... Sorry to ask McTim, what sources did you base your conclusion that the Zambians cannot afford to buy shares in any company?
We were talking about Zim initially. Zambia should not have been conflated with Zim. You can start here. http://www.google.co.ke/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=5D7&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=zimbabwe+economy&aq=f&aqi=g3g-s2g5&aql=&oq= -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Robert, I think it was you who (erroneously ) started talking about Zimbabwe. Then, stock market performance doesn't have anything to do with the percentage of retail/small shareholders as such. Have you had a look at what percentage of shares on the LUSE is held by institutional investors vs retail investors, and done the same for the other stock markets that you list? Like Facebook says: It's complicated. On 22 February 2011 09:14, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
The best performing "stock exchange in Africa" was Zambia as its index rose more than 12 per cent while the second best monitored by African Alliance was Botswana (BSE DCI) at 8.3 per cent up and Nigeria (Nig ALSI) rose 7.5 per cent.
Year to date, the NSE (Nairobi Stock Exchange" 20-share index was down 16.5 per cent. At the end of January this year, the index had fallen 0.7 per cent before this accelerated as the year entered its second month.
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/NSE+loses+as+investors+loo...
<http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/NSE+loses+as+investors+look+for+markets+with+lower+valuations/-/539550/1112294/-/157a31i/-/> Sorry to ask McTim, what sources did you base your conclusion that the Zambians cannot afford to buy shares in any company?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Calling Rates - Airtel to de-list Celtel
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:56 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
They currently have shares in the company and Airtel wants to buy them off, thats why.
I seriously doubt there are many folk in Zim (or Zambia) that can afford to buy stock in any company, given the economic reality in Zim. Corrupt politicians and the kleptocracy, certainly can afford shares.
PS. Do you have an issue with us indigenous mortals?
Only when they steal from their brothers and sisters with impunity.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Robert, we're all 'indigenous mortals'. And I have no idea what you're arguing. Airtel has no operations in Zimbabwe. They are trying to delist in Zambia, and the shareholding in question is only 3%. There's in no mass of shareholding retail clients who have contributed to the company's profitability. On 18 February 2011 17:56, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
They currently have shares in the company and Airtel wants to buy them off, thats why.
PS. Do you have an issue with us indigenous mortals?
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Fri, 18 February, 2011 8:37:43
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Calling Rates - Airtel to de-list Celtel
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:20 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Airtel are in the process of having Celtel Zimbabwe de-listed from the Zimbabwe stock exchange, this might not seem like much but in reality it is a reflection of Airtels profit sharing strategy. The effect of this action is that the common Zimbabweans will not benefit from the profits of the company
What makes you think "common Zimbabweans" are able to buy Airtel stock?
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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It's Zambia, not Zimbabwe (as far as I know, Airtel have no operations in Zimbabwe) and so far, the Lusaka stock exchange has objected to these plans. The bottom line is, though, whether and under what circumstances a delisting is possible in Zambia. It's irrelevant whether that's Airtel or anyone else. The regulatory framework must treat all listed companies equally. If Airtel delist, they will try to buy back the shares - an initially offer has been rejected by the minority shareholders: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-30/minority-shareholders-may-stall-bha.... This article also tells you that Bharti now own 97% of the Zambian Airtel, so there's hardly any mass retail share ownership and not that many 'common' Zimbabweans (or rather Zambians) who 'benefit' from the listed company are the shareholders and who have contributed to the company's pofits in any tangible way by being clients. More generally, you might want to check out the percentage of any listed company owned by institutional investors and whether the exchange allows foreign investment - in that case, there's probably a number of shareholders that actually contributed nothing to the company's profits either. On 18 February 2011 08:20, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Airtel are in the process of having Celtel Zimbabwe de-listed from the Zimbabwe stock exchange, this might not seem like much but in reality it is a reflection of Airtels profit sharing strategy.
The effect of this action is that the common Zimbabweans will not benefit from the profits of the company even though they will have been generated locally. Instead the government of Mugabe will receive large volumes of money through corporate tax.
Lets appreciate the fact that Safaricom at least allows us to share in their profits through dividend as shareholders.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi Robert - I wonder if Zimbabweans can afford shares. Right now they have no currency and they are using green bucks. The Zimbabwe dollar became so useless that to buy a tomato one needed trillions. It was said that one had to carry money on a wheelburrow and upon coming across robbers one would throw the money away and run off with the wheelburrow because it was more valuable. These guys have no time for shares man! Waudo On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:20 +0000, "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Airtel are in the process of having Celtel Zimbabwe de-listed from the Zimbabwe stock exchange, this might not seem like much but in reality it is a reflection of Airtels profit sharing strategy. The effect of this action is that the common Zimbabweans will not benefit from the profits of the company even though they will have been generated locally. Instead the government of Mugabe will receive large volumes of money through corporate tax. Lets appreciate the fact that Safaricom at least allows us to share in their profits through dividend as shareholders. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: emailsignet@mailcan.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/ options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.com
Not ICT related, but: Zim has and had plenty of times for shares, and from way back when I was still writing about it, I vaguely remember that many people actually put their money in shares because interest rates were negative thanks to the country's hyperinflation. Here's a brief overview of the ZSE performance in the past two years. Not fantastic, but by no means a basket case either: http://www.africancapitalmarketsnews.com/836/whats-up-on-zimbabwe-stock-exch... Dollarisation had the interesting impact that it uncovered inefficiencies in management, and also rendered a couple of company holdings done purely for cash/forex management purposes ineffective, leading to some corporate unbundling: http://blog.imarainvestor.com/2009/12/dollarisation-and-case-for-unbundling.... On 18 February 2011 09:30, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Hi Robert - I wonder if Zimbabweans can afford shares. Right now they have no currency and they are using green bucks. The Zimbabwe dollar became so useless that to buy a tomato one needed trillions. It was said that one had to carry money on a wheelburrow and upon coming across robbers one would throw the money away and run off with the wheelburrow because it was more valuable. These guys have no time for shares man! Waudo On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:20 +0000, "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Airtel are in the process of having Celtel Zimbabwe de-listed from the Zimbabwe stock exchange, this might not seem like much but in reality it is a reflection of Airtels profit sharing strategy.
The effect of this action is that the common Zimbabweans will not benefit from the profits of the company even though they will have been generated locally. Instead the government of Mugabe will receive large volumes of money through corporate tax.
Lets appreciate the fact that Safaricom at least allows us to share in their profits through dividend as shareholders.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Actually it is Zambia they are de-listing in where they hold 75% market share. They do not own an operation in Zim. ________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+cruto=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+cruto=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Andrea Bohnstedt Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 10:20 AM To: Clare Ruto Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Calling Rates - Airtel to de-list Celtel Not ICT related, but: Zim has and had plenty of times for shares, and from way back when I was still writing about it, I vaguely remember that many people actually put their money in shares because interest rates were negative thanks to the country's hyperinflation. Here's a brief overview of the ZSE performance in the past two years. Not fantastic, but by no means a basket case either: http://www.africancapitalmarketsnews.com/836/whats-up-on-zimbabwe-stock- exchange/ Dollarisation had the interesting impact that it uncovered inefficiencies in management, and also rendered a couple of company holdings done purely for cash/forex management purposes ineffective, leading to some corporate unbundling: http://blog.imarainvestor.com/2009/12/dollarisation-and-case-for-unbundl ing.html On 18 February 2011 09:30, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: Hi Robert - I wonder if Zimbabweans can afford shares. Right now they have no currency and they are using green bucks. The Zimbabwe dollar became so useless that to buy a tomato one needed trillions. It was said that one had to carry money on a wheelburrow and upon coming across robbers one would throw the money away and run off with the wheelburrow because it was more valuable. These guys have no time for shares man! Waudo On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:20 +0000, "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Airtel are in the process of having Celtel Zimbabwe de-listed from the Zimbabwe stock exchange, this might not seem like much but in reality it is a reflection of Airtels profit sharing strategy. The effect of this action is that the common Zimbabweans will not benefit from the profits of the company even though they will have been generated locally. Instead the government of Mugabe will receive large volumes of money through corporate tax. Lets appreciate the fact that Safaricom at least allows us to share in their profits through dividend as shareholders. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: emailsignet@mailcan.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailc an.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/andrea.bohnstedt%40 ratio-magazine.com -- Andrea Bohnstedt <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/andreabohnstedt> Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com Find/post East Africa careers <http://www.ratio-magazine.com/careers/index.php> Find/post conferences, workshops, trainings, other business events <http://www.ratio-magazine.com/businessevents/index.php> ##################################################################################### NOTE: All emails sent from Safaricom Limited are subject to Safaricom�s Email Terms & Conditions. Please click here to read the policy. #####################################################################################
Yeah, 10cents dividend to be specific. From: kictanet-bounces+nancyi=accesskenya.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+nancyi=accesskenya.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Andrea Bohnstedt Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 10:20 AM To: nancyi@accesskenya.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Calling Rates - Airtel to de-list Celtel Not ICT related, but: Zim has and had plenty of times for shares, and from way back when I was still writing about it, I vaguely remember that many people actually put their money in shares because interest rates were negative thanks to the country's hyperinflation. Here's a brief overview of the ZSE performance in the past two years. Not fantastic, but by no means a basket case either: http://www.africancapitalmarketsnews.com/836/whats-up-on-zimbabwe-stock-exch ange/ Dollarisation had the interesting impact that it uncovered inefficiencies in management, and also rendered a couple of company holdings done purely for cash/forex management purposes ineffective, leading to some corporate unbundling: http://blog.imarainvestor.com/2009/12/dollarisation-and-case-for-unbundling. html On 18 February 2011 09:30, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: Hi Robert - I wonder if Zimbabweans can afford shares. Right now they have no currency and they are using green bucks. The Zimbabwe dollar became so useless that to buy a tomato one needed trillions. It was said that one had to carry money on a wheelburrow and upon coming across robbers one would throw the money away and run off with the wheelburrow because it was more valuable. These guys have no time for shares man! Waudo On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:20 +0000, "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Airtel are in the process of having Celtel Zimbabwe de-listed from the Zimbabwe stock exchange, this might not seem like much but in reality it is a reflection of Airtels profit sharing strategy. The effect of this action is that the common Zimbabweans will not benefit from the profits of the company even though they will have been generated locally. Instead the government of Mugabe will receive large volumes of money through corporate tax. Lets appreciate the fact that Safaricom at least allows us to share in their profits through dividend as shareholders. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: emailsignet@mailcan.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.c om _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/andrea.bohnstedt%40rati o-magazine.com -- <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/andreabohnstedt> Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com <http://www.ratio-magazine.com/careers/index.php> Find/post East Africa careers <http://www.ratio-magazine.com/businessevents/index.php> Find/post conferences, workshops, trainings, other business events
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