Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis
Alai,
I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare' arrived a long time ago.
So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
Mirembe
I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want local content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy made?" That was heavy!
Let me tell you a thing. We must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended in which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
If you wanted a subscription website, you should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones just as an after-thought.
I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience to articulate you point?
We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe
facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice
from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, www.kasarani.com
Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote local content.
When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which is being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that
is any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content.
There is no forum in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili. We must focus on being local if we want local content.
'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and Judiciacy. If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in very serious trouble...
NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm and QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and
entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines
Well I have....... I tried to unsubscribe to no Avail. Robert please do smtg about it -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Wainaina Mungai Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:22 AM To: James Kagwe Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis Hi all, As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers. I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses. Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of subscription by choice rather than forced numbers. I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii africa and other lists. Wainaina On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote: that things there articles in like
cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done right?
The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of decision making procees..
The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes to ask questions and suggestions?
The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
Do you know that the slides from Capital, NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even slides which you have never seen is from the public.
Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published every year?
Givingg 15 minutes to each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass the speakers with questions.
You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your conclusion?
The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok but I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely on my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its called "fair commentating"
We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to start is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us even a day to have this thing up and running.
Dunno..
Senior members, what do you think?
I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise excellent achievement.
Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for their next such conference.
Rider:
There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies and Poisons Board drug inspectors. Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great initiative, erroneously.
Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists subscriptions;)
G'day,
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Alai,
I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare' arrived a long time ago.
So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
Mirembe
I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want local content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy made?" That was heavy!
Let me tell you a thing. We must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended in which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
If you wanted a subscription website, you should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones just as an after-thought.
I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience to articulate you point?
We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe
facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice
from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, www.kasarani.com
Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote local content.
When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which is being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that
is any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content.
There is no forum in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili. We must focus on being local if we want local content.
'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and Judiciacy. If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in very serious trouble...
NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm and QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and
entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines
James Robert has told you to contact him privately JM ________________________________ From: James Kagwe <jkagwe@KIPPRA.OR.KE> To: j.maina@ymail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:19:23 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis Well I have....... I tried to unsubscribe to no Avail. Robert please do smtg about it -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Wainaina Mungai Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:22 AM To: James Kagwe Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis Hi all, As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers. I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses. Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of subscription by choice rather than forced numbers. I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii africa and other lists. Wainaina On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote: that things there articles in like
cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done right?
The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of decision making procees..
The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes to ask questions and suggestions?
The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
Do you know that the slides from Capital, NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even slides which you have never seen is from the public.
Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published every year?
Givingg 15 minutes to each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass the speakers with questions.
You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your conclusion?
The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok but I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely on my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its called "fair commentating"
We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to start is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us even a day to have this thing up and running.
Dunno..
Senior members, what do you think?
I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise excellent achievement.
Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for their next such conference.
Rider:
There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies and Poisons Board drug inspectors. Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great initiative, erroneously.
Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists subscriptions;)
G'day,
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Ladies & Gentlemen, Would an emergency moderation of this list help stop this tirade? I feel great temptation to apply it to let things cool down. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post
That would be a welcome move. am sure KICTANet is a list with higher standards than displayed today. Kindly enforce the standards. WM On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Ladies & Gentlemen,
Would an emergency moderation of this list help stop this tirade? I feel great temptation to apply it to let things cool down.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post
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Wainaina You have shown how cheap you are in the head and now you have made me understand you. Very cheap and very deperate Ngómbe hii Alai On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> wrote:
That would be a welcome move. am sure KICTANet is a list with higher standards than displayed today. Kindly enforce the standards.
WM
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Ladies & Gentlemen,
Would an emergency moderation of this list help stop this tirade? I feel great temptation to apply it to let things cool down.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
Ngómbe hii
While we await for the passing of ICT/KCA Bill that will criminalise spam, I urge local conferences organisers not to release attendees email addresses nor publish them on websites. Regards,
Wash, Alai et al, Been busy last few days on offline issues. Just now trying to work through the mails retrospectively. What I am gathering is like Alai started off a topic which instead generated personal attacks rather than ideas... Plse guys lets keep it civil - both online and offline. Lets also remember that this space is shared and if you find that you have to post more than 3 messages per minute, then you are either contributing spam or in the wrong list (forum). I can tell you for sure that most (Policy) folks on this list dont have the time to process that high stream of data-exchanges - their content notwithstanding. So please, to be effective, keep it civil, keep it time-spaced, and above all stick to ICT Policy and related issues. walu. --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:52 PM Ladies & Gentlemen,
Would an emergency moderation of this list help stop this tirade? I feel great temptation to apply it to let things cool down.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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John I need you not to skip telling off those who personalised it and face them squarely. We keep civil when all keep civil brother. Let not others think that nobody should come into the list and let not email forgeries we are seeing from Gakuru and the like be the norm. Respect is two way and there is nobody who is more equal than others. The earlier they understand that, the better ndugu Alai On 11/19/08, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wash, Alai et al,
Been busy last few days on offline issues. Just now trying to work through the mails retrospectively. What I am gathering is like Alai started off a topic which instead generated personal attacks rather than ideas...
Plse guys lets keep it civil - both online and offline. Lets also remember that this space is shared and if you find that you have to post more than 3 messages per minute, then you are either contributing spam or in the wrong list (forum). I can tell you for sure that most (Policy) folks on this list dont have the time to process that high stream of data-exchanges - their content notwithstanding.
So please, to be effective, keep it civil, keep it time-spaced, and above all stick to ICT Policy and related issues.
walu.
--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:52 PM Ladies & Gentlemen,
Would an emergency moderation of this list help stop this tirade? I feel great temptation to apply it to let things cool down.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Walu, You are not alone! The whole wide world has been distraught and seeking answers from Yahoo <http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071113105315AAHB17z> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:54 PM, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wash, Alai et al,
Been busy last few days on offline issues. Just now trying to work through the mails retrospectively. What I am gathering is like Alai started off a topic which instead generated personal attacks rather than ideas...
Plse guys lets keep it civil - both online and offline. Lets also remember that this space is shared and if you find that you have to post more than 3 messages per minute, then you are either contributing spam or in the wrong list (forum). I can tell you for sure that most (Policy) folks on this list dont have the time to process that high stream of data-exchanges - their content notwithstanding.
So please, to be effective, keep it civil, keep it time-spaced, and above all stick to ICT Policy and related issues.
walu.
--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:52 PM Ladies & Gentlemen,
Would an emergency moderation of this list help stop this tirade? I feel great temptation to apply it to let things cool down.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Yeah, in there you will get also alot of info on how Obama is Gay Dont be childdish Gakuru. It wont help and I am not trying to compete with you on dominance of KICTANET. You aree simply scared of the unknown On 11/19/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu, You are not alone! The whole wide world has been distraught and seeking answers from Yahoo <http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071113105315AAHB17z>
Wash, Alai et al,
Been busy last few days on offline issues. Just now trying to work
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:54 PM, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: through the mails retrospectively. What I am gathering is like Alai started off a topic which instead generated personal attacks rather than ideas...
Plse guys lets keep it civil - both online and offline. Lets also
remember that this space is shared and if you find that you have to post more than 3 messages per minute, then you are either contributing spam or in the wrong list (forum). I can tell you for sure that most (Policy) folks on this list dont have the time to process that high stream of data-exchanges - their content notwithstanding.
So please, to be effective, keep it civil, keep it time-spaced, and above
all stick to ICT Policy and related issues.
walu.
--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:52 PM Ladies & Gentlemen,
Would an emergency moderation of this list help stop this tirade? I feel great temptation to apply it to let things cool down.
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And I have never been a moderator of KaziAfrika On 11/19/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu, You are not alone! The whole wide world has been distraught and seeking answers from Yahoo <http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071113105315AAHB17z>
Wash, Alai et al,
Been busy last few days on offline issues. Just now trying to work
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:54 PM, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: through the mails retrospectively. What I am gathering is like Alai started off a topic which instead generated personal attacks rather than ideas...
Plse guys lets keep it civil - both online and offline. Lets also
remember that this space is shared and if you find that you have to post more than 3 messages per minute, then you are either contributing spam or in the wrong list (forum). I can tell you for sure that most (Policy) folks on this list dont have the time to process that high stream of data-exchanges - their content notwithstanding.
So please, to be effective, keep it civil, keep it time-spaced, and above
all stick to ICT Policy and related issues.
walu.
--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:52 PM Ladies & Gentlemen,
Would an emergency moderation of this list help stop this tirade? I feel great temptation to apply it to let things cool down.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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